Talk:Teen Girl Squad Issue 10

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Number one (the warrior) id say. its somthing difffernt

The lower one definitely. It shows the theme of the episode better. - Joshua 15:47, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

Stan!

In the hidden easter egg where The ugly one's dad is advertising, the way he is waving his arms around is a striking resemblence to Stan from the Monkey Island Games. Would this be a fun fact?

Easter Egg? If this exists why isn't it listed? --jake 15:37, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

New Software

I think the reason for the new animation is TBC got some new animation software and they wanted to test it out. DaChazman

It's all done with Flash. If it were done with Flash 8 (the new one) we'd know. Ppk01 16:25, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

Besides, with simple characters like that, you can do that with a few masks and shape tweens. —Gafaddict (Talk | Contribs.) 21:13, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

I know there's some software that can export 3D animation to flash. It's called Swift 3D. However, I dont know if TBC are using it. -Jesselangham

They're not. There's nothing fancy with the rotation that they haven't done before, eg in funny. --phlip ^T_C 23:51, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, good point. That software is expensive anyway. Too expensive for a 1 second rotation. -Jesselangham

3-D? I don't even know what that is!

I move that all instances of the word 3-D be replaced with the word 3D. Who's with me, eh? Ppk01 16:25, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

Can somebody who knows something about 3D software confirm that the "We got a spinner" gag is a reference to the bizarre glitches that such software sometimes create (elements moving by themselves in weird ways)? —AbdiViklas 19:14, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

I found it to be a reference to CGI animation glitches like the ones shown under special features of Pixar movies.---RatherAnnoying 19:29, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, that's what I was thinking of; like the monster's hair in Monsters Inc. —AbdiViklas 19:32, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

You're wrong, BTW. 3D is an auto-redirect to 3-D. --Jay (Gobble) 01:50, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

And m-w.com doesn't recognize 3D, only 3-D. —AbdiViklas 01:55, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

Inside references

In the party sequence, I know all the TGS inside references are listed in the cast of characters at the beginning, but is there any other appropriate way to mention it elsewhere? Say, an inside reference that simply says "See the Cast of Characters?" Also, can someone confirm my suspicion that this contains every TGS character seen to date (even a reference to Brett!), and that it's the first TGS to include a shot of the "real world," or of regular H*R characters other than Strong Bad? —AbdiViklas 18:34, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

I'm not sure about your first question, but I can answer your second and third ones:

• 2: No, it does not contain every TGS character to date. For example, the Floor Tom and the Vulture/Bat don't appear. See the Minor TGS Characters page for a bunch of characters that fail to appear.
• 3: Yes and no. It is the first episode to show the "real world", but Pom Pom appears in episode #8.

Hope that helps. - Joshua 18:45, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

This is, however, the first TGS to show any character--including Strong Bad--outside of the comic's world. Pom Pom in issue 8 was still a drawing, as was Strong Bad's cameo appearances in issues 1, 8, and 9. This is the first time a TGS episode has had not-drawings in it. --DorianGray

The Vultures do appear. See the bottom left corner of the scene where Manolios is introducing The Ugly One. --ENUSY , 19:55, 10 October 2005 (BST)

Sorry, I meant the Vulture from issue #2. - Joshua 18:58, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

Vowels

Vowels are A-E-I-O-U "Y" is not a vowel :p

Sometimes it is. It's being used as a vowel in this case. --DorianGray

From the Wikipedia: "In the standard English language, the letter Y is traditionally regarded as a consonant, but as a survey of almost any English text, including this one, will show, Y more commonly functions as a vowel." So our anonymous friend is right. Y is not a vowel. And sign your posts.– The Chort 19:37, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

Also from Wikipedia: The name "vowel" is often used for the symbols used for representing vowel sounds in a language's writing system, particularly if the language uses an alphabet. In the Latin alphabet, the vowel letters are usually A, E, I, O, U, and in some languages Y, as in English. -- Mycroft.holmes 19:50, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

Oh yeah, because an entirely user-edited encyclopaedia can NEVER contradict itself. Why don't we go with the majority and accept that Y is NOT a vowel?

Encarta seems to agree as well. After all, the way most schools teach vowels is A-E-I-O-U and SOMETIMES Y. In "sorry," Y is a vowel, as it is nearly impossible to construct a meaningful syllable without a vowel. Does "syzygy" also have no vowels in it? No. ... Okay, I rambled. Sorry. But Y is a vowel in this case. Spell4yr 20:41, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

Because it is. The word "vowel" denotes how the letter is used, not what the letter is. As it happens, Y isn't the only "consonant" that can be used as a vowel (W is common, and G and H show up often too.) It's just that the five letters most commonly called "vowels" are the ones NEVER used as consonants. --Jay (Gobble) 20:39, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

"Vowel" and "consonant" are phonetic distinctions, not letter distinctions. "We're sorry" is pronounced (IPA) /wi:r sɒˈri:/ - both /i/s and the /ɒ/ are the vowels. It is simply that the large majority of vowel sounds are represented in English with A-E-I-O-U which is why they're called the 5 vowels. So we then have 2 definitions of "vowel" - a vowel phoneme (which is relevant for the "there's at least one vowel in every syllable" rule) or a vowel letter (strictly A-E-I-O-U, possibly Y depending on who you ask). The confusion only comes when you get the two confused - for example a syllable does not require A-E-I-O-U(-Y), just a vowel phoneme. Getting back to the point, it's impossible to pronounce words completely without vowel phonemes, /ə/ slips in everywhere (/wər sər/ is as far as you can take "we're sorry"). "Removing all the vowels" only makes sense from a vowel letter view, in which case Y only applies if whoever it is wants it to. And now I'm rambling a bit, so I'll stop. --phlip ^T_C 00:13, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

You know... even after all this controversy, it doesn't make a good Fun Fact, since she never mentions taking ALL the vowels out. She says "taking the vowels out," which, yes, implies all the vowels, but doesn't say it emphatically. —AbdiViklas 07:33, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

Okay, I'm confused. Have we reached a conensus yet? -- Super Sam 11:57, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

The other side of the paper

When the paper saying "Its over" in on screen, you can see the other side of the paper, which is the image of Strong Bad making out with the Ugly One. I dont know if you can see it on a regular screen, but I can only see it on my Laptop, if I makes the screen darker. - Lord-Z

I see it too. --Jay (Gobble) 20:43, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

Yes, and this has already been noted in the transcript. It's been covered just for you ;)—Gafaddict (Talk | Contribs.) 21:11, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

References

When the Ugly One's father presents her to the party, I am pretty sure that that is a reference to the MTV show, My Super Sweet Sixteen. Am I correct? --ItalianBallerina

No, this is just a common practice at sweet sixteens. —Zelinda 20:50, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

Breakin?

When Strong Bad says "Arrow'd II: Electric- wait a minute!", it seems to be a reference to "Breakin II: Electric Boogaloo", a movie which has been mentioned on the site before. TheSyndicate88

Check the fun facts, dude. It's already in there. - Joshua

Olympic Coach's Voice?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the Olympic coach is the only TGS character not voiced by Strong Bad. If so, do you think that's a worthy fun fact? SA2Tails 21:53, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

What about Mr. Pitters?

Also the vultures as they are eating Mr. Pitters do not have a Strong Bad-type voice. Maybe Fatty's Big Chance as well. The voice is grainy and rough, but not as much as the other characters. --Gillan The Villain 22:19, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

Has 3D Been Used Before?

I think 3D was used before. On The Luau, the tofu seems to be spinning in 3D. -Lotionman 23:34, 10 October 2005 (UTC)Lotionman

I think what has everybody so excited is that in this one the camera moved in 3D. Though I'm not sure it took anything more than plain ol' Flash to do that. —AbdiViklas 23:43, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

Don't forget the opening to The Interview. --phlip ^T_C 00:21, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

True, but the animation here seems a lot smoother than that, with the spinning camera sequence, What's-her-face spinning and Strong Bad's movements at the end of the toon.

Only because the framerate is higher. Flash's default framerate is 12fps - which is about the lower limit for most people being able to distinguish animations from a series of pictures. TGS10 is 20fps - so a lot of the animations are smoother. I've looked with the decompiler - just trust me when I say that What's Her Face spinning is done exactly the same way that they do Strong Bad's head turning to look from side to side. --phlip ^T_C 04:29, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

Pictures from the Party

I made an image of the pan across the party, showing the minor characters appearing in attendance. It'd make a nice picture for somewhere, I think. (I had the idea of making it just a link, not an actual picture, and putting it in the issue 10 article somewhere. Duck Guardian One has an example of this in the Trivia section.) One thing though: the picture is roughly four or five times bigger in file size than what's normally recommended to upload. So I thought I'd tell people before acting, just in case. --DorianGray

Pwn

Is pwn a reference to Pure Pwnage? Because thats basically the only other place I've heard it. - Faro1

It's vice versa - Pure Pwnage is a referance to the word pwn. Look at the wikipedia link from the article. --phlip ^T_C 04:31, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

Goof or Not

In the rotational scene, Cheerleader's baby daddy seems to come out of her dress.

I think this inconsistancy was a mistake made by the Brothers Chaps, therefore a goof. However, It's dot com insists otherwise, rendering it a Remark. What is it? - Joshua 19:05, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

• Remark. I'm not saying they did it on purpose per se. I am saying that because this sequence is the first of its kind on the site, they would have paid it extra special attention. Therefore, TBC would have realized the type is doing what it does. Maybe they actually did do it intentionally. Maybe they saw how it turned out and liked what they got. Or maybe there was some technical limitation that made it like it is. It doesn't really matter, because the point is that they didn't mistakingly do it the way they did. I mean, let's give them a little credit. — It's dot com 19:13, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Second. -- Mycroft.holmes 21:06, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
• Goof. Now I don't know for sure if it'd be easy to fix or not, but it seems to me they could have just omitted the "ba" and "da" to get a favorable result. If they noticed it, they probably figured it was just one frame and not worth fixing. But that doesn't change the fact that it is still a goof - missed or seen and ignored. This seems to be just as much of a goof as all the other ones written down there. - Joshua
• Goof. When I posted it, I put it on goofs. I'm with Joshua on this one. — Elcool ^(talk)_(contribs) 19:33, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
• Goof. --Jay (Gobble) 20:34, 11 October 2005 (UTC)