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I won't edit the transcript as it's being written, but I hear Nibbles say "I make good ear-plugs too", not "I need some ear-plugs too."

That sounds more logical to me too.
Fixed it. I've also done writing the transcript, so feel free to correct what's probably lots of mistakes. —Gafaddict Image:Gafaddict sigpic.gif (Talk | Contribs.) 02:10, 12 Jul 2005 (UTC)
It sounds like "I think earplugs are cute" to me. Ookelaylay 15:30, 12 Jul 2005 (UTC)

It's definintely "I make good earplugs too". --thatkidsam 15:34, 14 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Let me guess

"Ugh. Let me guess. It's true! You saw it on the news! Hey, it was crazy, but it was worth a shot!"

There is an or in there, so it SHOULD be:

Ugh. Let me guess. "It's true! You saw it on the news!" or "Hey, it was crazy, but it was worth a shot!"

Because I am certain I hear an "or" in there. --ColorPrinter 02:12, 12 Jul 2005 (UTC)

I hear it too. -GG Crono

Me too --No Smorking 14:59, 12 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Tree-hugging - Homsar vs. army

I really, really think the tree-hugging isn't a reference to army as much as it is Homsar and his tree-hugging anctics mentioned in Strong Sad's Lament (which, of course, is assuming it's a reference to anything whatsoever and not just randomness). I mean, really. In army it was just a random insult being tossed around; with Homsar it had much focus, even if it DIDN'T have SB or HSR involved in it. I seriously wonder how we got army before the blog ref when the former seems so minor in comparison...
Thoughts on the matter? --Shadow Hog 03:59, 12 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Except Strong Sad's lament involved Strong Sad and Homsar, whereas army involved Strong Bad and Homestar. It really boils down to that. — It's dot com 04:08, 12 Jul 2005 (UTC)
It's still a major stretch as it is. Methinks it should be STUFF'd. --Shadow Hog 04:25, 12 Jul 2005 (UTC)
I concur. --Jay v.2020 (Talk) 04:28, 12 Jul 2005 (UTC)
For all we know, Homestar might have wanted to have proof Strong Bad was a hippie. -- EMJS

Garfield vs. Nermal / Marshie vs. Nibbles

I know this might be a stretch, so I thought I'd post here first. Does anyone else see the resemblance in Marshie and Nibbles' relationship to the perpetual battle of age vs. youth between Garfield and Nermal? It was the first thing that stood out to me with those two. -- TaranchulaVamp15 1:29 12 July 2005 (CST)

No, I think it's a reference to how old characters are replaced by "newer, cooler" characters. -Kinsey

Easter Eggs

This is the first time Strong Bad has acknowledged that there are easter eggs...should this be counted for something? -- Cocoa 12:27 12 July 2005 Pacific Daylight, I think?

Nope, he acknowledged them in the process. Homestar Coderhomestar-coder-sig.gif 07:43, 12 Jul 2005 (UTC)
An interesting fact might be that this is the first email since ??? that had no eggs anywhere.

Well, you had to wait about 10 seconds or so to hear him say that there aren't any Easter Eggs. Isn't that sort of an Easter Egg itself?

Sort of, but our pattern on other pages when this happens is that it's not an egg. — It's dot com 14:16, 14 Jul 2005 (UTC)
Also, Strong Bad actually said "no easter eggs" so it'd be a paradox if that was considered one.
Yes and a paradox is a funny thing to include in a cartoon. I only found about the "extra" on the wiki, since I had quickly scanned for easter-eggs with the tab key and I clicked back because I didn't find any, and thus missed what Strong Bad said after. In my book it is an easter-egg. --VL-Tone
Since people are adamantly claiming otherwise on the STUFF page, which is not such a good place for discussion as such anymore, I have to put my two cents in. In my opinion, things that happen after a pause at the end of the email/toon/etc are Easter Eggs, and deserve the title as much as the ones you have to click on something to activate. However putting them under "Transcript" reads clearer, and makes the wiki page flow better. This doesn't make them any less an Easter Egg, it's simply something done for readability. To quote HRWiki:Standards#Easter Eggs:
An Easter egg (or just "egg" for short) is a secret part of a toon that can only be accessed by performing a particular action (e.g. clicking on a particular word or object) during a toon or by waiting for awhile after the toon has "ended".
(my emphasis). Note that there is in fact nothing on the Standards page that says that the wait-for-it eggs should be in the Transcript rather than under Easter Eggs, it's simply done that way by tradition. I guess this was more than two cents. --phlip TC 16:24, 17 Jul 2005 (UTC)
Look, an Easter egg is something HIDDEN that you have to activate. Things that happen after the paper comes down are in no way hidden, you just have to keep watching. Homestar Coderhomestar-coder-sig.gif 16:50, 17 Jul 2005 (UTC)
They are hidden though, just hidden behind a pause rather than behind a button. Yes, you just have to keep watching. You also just have to click this word, or that picture, to get the other eggs. I was missing the after-the-paper eggs for ages because I click the back button after the action stops, as that seems to be the end of the toon. It wasn't until I left the process running for a while in the background while I did something else that I even considered simply waiting for eggs. Sure it seems obvious know that I know... --phlip TC 17:02, 17 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Not Pigeons

"Not...pigeons" seems like a reference to different town, when Strong bad tries to think of the best thing ever and ends up with "beef stew". Anyone else think so?

  • No, it's just Strong Bad not being able to think of anything. It's not really a "reference" to anything. Strong bad is an (scatterbrained), and does this kind of thing often, as any HR fan knows. ;) --Hometar Runnar (There, happy? I changed "idiot" to "scatterbrained.")

He's not an idiot. -Kinsey

Yeah, he's not an idiot!! And the Bad in his name is capitalized!! -Princess of StrongBadia

I think he really might be afraid of pigeons, and that he's ashamed of being afraid of them (similar to "Definitly NOT a speedo"-on other days). Strong Bad is a very quirky person with interests that nobody would expect (baking, watching soaps) In TGS there are several things that involve birds (birds hurting or killing characters, or simply getting shot out of the sky by a random helicopter). Kefti islander

Tree Hugging or Butt Dance

The picture keeps changing back and forth. Let's pick one and go with it. I don't have much of a preference, so I'll get out my trusty coin here... Heads, tree hugging; tails, butt dance (get it, tails?). And... it's tails. I vote butt dance.It's dot com 16:08, 12 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Go with the butt dance. It's the pinnacle of the whole email. Delete the tree huggin' if it isn't going to be used. -BazookaJoe 16:26, 12 Jul 2005 (UTC)
Butt dance butt dance! Homestar Coderhomestar-coder-sig.gif 16:35, 12 Jul 2005 (UTC)
I got with the butt dance too, just cause it's so random! (and it made SB puke)

Chocozuma's Revenge and Technochocolate land?

What's with Strong Bad always combining aztec history and chocolate? Could this be counted as a reference?

I thought "technochocolate" meant techno- as in technology, not Tenochtitlan.

  • Nope, he mentions the Aztecs right before. -- TaranchulaVamp15 12:07 12 July 2005 (CST)
The monument. Gotcha. I was thinking of Club Technochocolate.

Running Time

Let's get one thing established: Things that happen after The Paper comes down that are not Easter eggs count towards the email's running time, right? If so, I timed the email at approximately 4:57, ending it at Strong Bad's line, "No. There's no Easter eggs. I'm not up to it. Go away." -BazookaJoe 17:08, 12 Jul 2005 (UTC)

You timed it the way I've always done it. -- tomstiff 17:17, 12 Jul 2005 (UTC)

And that's incuding the long pause after The Paper comes down? -BazookaJoe 17:18, 12 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Horrible Painting

Just curious if any of you think the Horrible Painting deserves being considered a member of the ever-increasing cast of characters.

I'd say so. It does talk... SA2Tails 17:44, 12 Jul 2005 (UTC)
I concur. I wrote the original description, and I'd hate to see my hard work go to waste, yeah?

Feed the Childrens

Does anyone else hear "doo doot doo" instead of just "doot doo" in the song Feed the Childrens? SA2Tails 17:44, 12 Jul 2005 (UTC)

I do. Not to mention the unmentioned 'hey-heys'. (I've actually taken to humming this song under my breath around the house.

Does the part where they all start clapping hands and singing count as a "Hey Jude" reference? ~AC

No, although it references songs like this in general. — It's dot com

I definitely hear "doo doot doo" in the song. I've listened to it closely over and over, and it's subtle, but there's another syllable in there. — It's dot com 12:15, 13 Jul 2005 (UTC)

I listened very closely. There are only two syllables at the "doot doo" portion of the Limozeen song. Why do people keep adding a third? --Jay v.2020 (Talk) 18:25, 13 Jul 2005 (UTC)
Then you must not be listening closely enough. Several others here on the wiki think it's "doo doot doo". I just took a poll of my coworkers, and they all hear that, too. — It's dot com 18:45, 13 Jul 2005 (UTC)

I changed it back because (at least to my ears) there are three syllables! I distinctly hear "do doot do". -- tomstiff 18:33, 13 Jul 2005 (UTC)

I turned it up very high and I still hear exactly two. The drums hit in the middle of the "doot" IIRC; maybe that's what you're hearing? --Jay v.2020 (Talk) 18:35, 13 Jul 2005 (UTC)
I hear "Doot Doo." Unless it is a very quick "Doo-Doot," in which case a hyphen would be necessary. -BazookaJoe 18:39, 13 Jul 2005 (UTC)
I've turned it up loud, and listened to it numerous (10+) times. It's do-doot-do everytime. I've seen at least one other comment that agrees with me. That doesn't make me right, it's just makes me not pigeon ... er crazy! -- tomstiff 18:41, 13 Jul 2005 (UTC)
It would have to be MUCH faster than the "La La"... which was fast enough that I formerly made it one "word"! I'm loading it to check AGAIN... --Jay v.2020 (Talk) 18:46, 13 Jul 2005 (UTC)
When there's no background music, when it's just the claps, you can clearly tell that it's not a drum beat, and it's distinctly "doo-doot doo". — It's dot com 18:48, 13 Jul 2005 (UTC)
NO. I TURNED IT UP ALL THE WAY. I LEANED MY EAR IN TOWARD THE COMPUTER. I LISTENED ALL THREE TIMES. I HEAR EXACTLY TWO SYLLABLES EACH. Where do you think the break between them is coming? --Jay v.2020 (Talk) 18:49, 13 Jul 2005 (UTC)
I don't know what to tell you. I've played it for five people here where I am, and we all agree it's three syllables. Each time I asked a new person, I had them describe what they heard without first telling them what I think they should be hearing. — It's dot com 18:54, 13 Jul 2005 (UTC)
OH! I THINK I GET IT! I think you're getting confused on the vibrato in Gary's voice. There are two syllables, though. Ironically, the vibrato is LEAST noticeable in the "just claps" repetition, where you said it was most "obvious", so this theory isn't perfect. But that's as close as I am coming to hearing a third syllable—and it's still not a third syllable. --Jay v.2020 (Talk) 18:56, 13 Jul 2005 (UTC)
And, currently there is no such "consensus". The people you talk to IRL are hearsay, and here, it's two logged users and an Annony (who seems to think there are more than two "heys") against two logged users. --Jay v.2020 (Talk) 18:58, 13 Jul 2005 (UTC) [EDIT: Okay, sorry, three logged users. I thought the original post here was yours. That still doesn't make it a "consensus."]
Are you saying I'm making them up? Because that's what I hear you saying. What possible reason would I have for doing that? To win a stupid argument? Sorry, but this isn't that important. Know this about me: I never lie. This is a question of fact, and therefore only one of us is right. I'm convinced it's me; you're convinced it's you. That's fine, because sensible people sometimes disagree, but I don't appreciate having my trustworthiness questioned, or at least having it seem like it. — It's dot com 19:12, 13 Jul 2005 (UTC)
Words in my mouth much? I am simply saying that I know nothing of your IRL friends. I am speaking to you: where do you think the three syllables are? How long? I hear the "Doot" in a beat and a half, and "doo" immediately following on the half-beat. --Jay v.2020 (Talk) 19:16, 13 Jul 2005 (UTC)
I believe now that you weren't trying to insult me. Please note that I was careful to phrase my comments using words like "because that's what I hear you saying" and "at least having it seem like it." I can't hear your inflection. I can't read your mind. All I can do is tell you how you're coming across. Not that we can't still be friends. ;) To speak to your question: This is what I hear: — It's dot com
Yeah, I figured that's where the extra "doo" was coming from, but that just ties in perfectly to my "you're just confused on Gary's vibrato" theory. --Jay v.2020 (Talk) 19:56, 13 Jul 2005 (UTC)
I guess we're going to have to agree to disagree. Agreed? — It's dot com
For now (BTW, I'm hearing the "do-doot" as a single syllable, in case there was any confusion. Other than that, the beat remains identical.) --Jay v.2020 (Talk) 20:04, 13 Jul 2005 (UTC)
I only heard two sylables in the Doot do's, but i could easily see how someone could here 3. User:Rogue Leader.sig
Hey there, I'm an 'Anonny' as you strange people on this Wiki call us. And I hear three. Though both interpretations are valid. -- 19:23, 13 Jul 2005 (UTC)
"Anonny" is a reference to rock opera. It's a whole lot easier than saying "User without a user name" or "User known only by an IP address". I didn't mean it as an insult, but some "Anonny" users (not all or even most!) have been known to be trolls, which happens less often with users with user names. Maybe it is a bit bigoted, but most Wiki users tend to take IP-only users' comments with grains of salt. --Jay v.2020 (Talk) 19:32, 13 Jul 2005 (UTC)

As a compromise, I am going to insert a footnote, at least as a temporary measure. — It's dot com

I can live with that User:Rogue Leader.sig

As can I. It's been done before, such as on for kids. And yes, I'm the same 'annony' as before (the one who mentioned the hey-heys and has taken to humming Feed the Childrens). I just really like being known as (yes, I'm odd), and don't really want to make an account because of that.
Heh. I totally hear three syllables.... but I'm not sure I feel as passionate about this as you people do. ;) This song really reminds me of something from Aqua Teen Hunger Force... "It's fo' da shortiez! It's fo' da shortiez!" Homestar Coderhomestar-coder-sig.gif 19:40, 13 Jul 2005 (UTC)
I can live with it, but I still say it's 2 syllables. -- EMJS

I just listened to it on my good headphones, and it is definitely doo-doot doo. I'm all for taking the footnote off. vote'dBazookaJoe 00:47, 18 Jul 2005 (UTC)

I listened closely, and I was almost certain it's do-doot doo. I then used the equalizer in Audacity to isolate the vocals and I'm completely certain it's do-doot doo. Also, I only hear vibrato on the last doo, not the first bit. Try as I can, I can't hear it as doot doo with vibrato on both. I can post the altered sound if anyone's interested. --phlip TC 03:50, 18 Jul 2005 (UTC)

just a remark

the brownie pictured in Chocozuma's Revenge is still in its wrapper. I feel like that should be mentioned somewhere

The Remarks section is the place for that. Nice find. -BazookaJoe 19:31, 12 Jul 2005 (UTC)


There are several facts that apply to a group of real-world examples, not just a single thing. But that doesn't make them any less of a reference. It's true that we shouldn't list every example we can think of, but a representative sample is appropriate. — It's dot com 20:06, 12 Jul 2005 (UTC)

But we've already seen the problem of doing that—new users add their favorite examples no matter what. It's happened in the past, it's happened for this very email. Also, if it's not a specific reference to a specific thing, it's more frequently put in Explanations if it's kept. --Jay v.2020 (Talk) 20:11, 12 Jul 2005 (UTC)
Each of the items in question explained a reference and gave a couple of relevant examples. Most of the problem items I try to prune have competing explanations or examples. -- tomstiff 20:16, 12 Jul 2005 (UTC)
Nuh-uh. It's an established precedent. It's a reference if it's a reference to ONE, maybe TWO distinct things (if two, they MUST be related.) If it's a reference to a common phenomenon which has appeared in many places, it's an Explanation. --Jay v.2020 (Talk) 20:19, 12 Jul 2005 (UTC)
{double edit conflict'd!} All right then, let's move them to explanations... (which I was about to do but I see you've already done). But the references are valid, and explaining them is useful to a user who might not be familiar. And the examples that are currently on the page are top-notch in their respective areas. Yes, we will have to keep them pruned, but that's better than omitting them altogether. — It's dot com 20:17, 12 Jul 2005 (UTC)
All right then. I'm still not sure it's necessary to keep all of them, though... --Jay v.2020 (Talk) 20:19, 12 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Name that Reference

Anyone know if the spooky painting is referancing anything? I know I've seen something like it somewheres...

Perhaps you're thinking of the haunted Ebay painting. Probably not a true Remark or Real-World reference, but intruiging. Boo! S Gleason 05:55, 14 Jul 2005 (UTC)
Okay, that was one of the creepiest things I have ever read... Made even more so at 2 AM (which is the time it is now). As if Strong Bad's painting wasn't enough to freak me out... --Annonymous User Number (the original writer for the Horrible Painting page)
Yeah... That's pretty creepy alright. I'm always creeped out by the supernatural. But maybe they could at least show us the pictures from the camera. --thatkidsam 15:45, 14 Jul 2005 (UTC)
I'd rather not see them, thanks... It already took me long enough to sleep. --Annonymous User Number
It kinda reminds me of a weird painting of a old-fashioned woman my grandparents have. I swear that her face changes. I have seen her smiling, sad, scared, and many others.... I'm not kidding, this is true. -Kinsey
Okay, thatkidsam. aaah! S Gleason 02:54, 15 Jul 2005 (UTC)
Looks like Photoshop.

Name that tune?

Once again, the tune from Strong Bad's intro song sounds very familiar. Where is it from? -- Tom 23:38, 12 Jul 2005 (UTC)


I was just wondering... Do you think that we should make an article about the bottom ten list? Just a thought

Nah. This is the article on the bottom 10 list. -BazookaJoe 15:24, 13 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Easter egg

There's an easter egg at the very end of this, but it's not mentioned in this wiki's article. You have to wait a while longer than normal to see it.

You mean when Strong Bad says, "No. There's no Easter eggs. I'm not up to it. Go away."? That's in the transcript. -BazookaJoe 03:47, 13 Jul 2005 (UTC)

SB Email: Jumped the Shark?

I think this one pretty much did it, what with the butt dance and the vomiting. Not that I have anything against crude humor: some people make it work quite well.. But Homestar Runner has always held a special place for me because even though it was aimed at older audiences, it was always so innocent. Bathroom humor is just out of place on Homestar.

Yes, bathroom humor is just out of place on Homestar Runner. That's why one of the main characters (who has been around since the first Flash toon) is a Poopsmith. And the butt dance is from Homestar's character video that's been on the site for a long time. But anyway, this discussion is better served on the forum. Homestar Coderhomestar-coder-sig.gif 05:19, 13 Jul 2005 (UTC)
I was a little put-off by the vomit joke as well. I had considered HSR a "safe-haven" against that kind of stuff. Up until about a year ago, HSR was a site that I felt comfortable letting my 6 year old view. Since then, I've noticed an ever-so-subtle trend toward South Park. We may only be in Alabama now, but I hope they stop before reaching Colorado. -- tomstiff 13:23, 13 Jul 2005 (UTC)
Are you seriously comparing South Park to HSR? I am a huge fan of both and I can say with some expertise that neither are anywhere near being alike (except, I suppose, that both are [quite good] comedies). And what's this about a little barf as being 'not safe' or 'not appropriate'? For one, you don't even see it. And secondly, I'd like to know how barf is in any way more mature humour. »ßenit, known as señor« 20:05, 13 Jul 2005 (UTC)
Good points, Señor, and, like Homestar Coder said, they belong on the forum. — It's dot com 20:10, 13 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Woman or High Talking Guy?

Obviously the chocolate lover is voiced by a falsetto Matt, but I wonder, is the character intended to be a woman, or a high-talking guy who Strong Bad intentionally calls "lady" intending it as an insult? Or am I overthinking this?

-- You're overthinking this.

-I thought it sounded like Reynold.

Number 8

When Strong Bad says 'number 8', did anyone else notice that his pronunciation is the same as Yoko Ono's in the episode of The Simpsons where Homer et al form the Be Sharps, and Yoko records a song by saying 'number 8' repeatedly over a loop of Barney belching?

That's a far, far, far, far strech. —FireBird|Talk 15:25, 13 Jul 2005 (UTC)
Ahhhh-Ooooh-Gah ... Ahhhh-Ooooh-Gah ... Aunt Gert alert! -- tomstiff 15:35, 13 Jul 2005 (UTC)
I don't think it's that far a stretch, it was the first thing I thought when I heard him say it and I expected someone else to have already referenced it on here. I've heard plenty of people pronounce it IRL that way as a reference to it, so maybe Strong Bad does too. Ah well, just a thought.
That's still a very far stretch. --thatkidsam 15:48, 14 Jul 2005 (UTC)
It's not a huge stretch. The 'number 8' is a pretty memorable part of pop culture history, so it's not a stretch to think that TBC are referencing it. To be honest, I didn't notice it myself, though.

They forgot to lemme type this

I don't think SB sez "They forgot this" twice. Any one else hear "Lemme type this" the first time? (see below) I don't wanna get into an editing battle, especially if I'm wrong! -- tomstiff 15:45, 13 Jul 2005 (UTC)

STRONG BAD: Oh man, this person made all kinds of typos. Lemme type this, {changes "Weak Bad" to "Strong Bad"}, they forgot this, {adds "the Good Dancer" after "Strong Bad"}, they got this wrong {changes "Someone stronger than you" to "Someone that is a girl" (with the phrase "a girl" italicized and in a pinkish color)}. Ah, there we go!

I isolated it and turned it way up, and it is for sure not "they forgot this" twice. I think you're absolutely right. It sounds like "Lemme type this" the first time. — It's dot com 16:11, 13 Jul 2005 (UTC)

I'm pretty certain that it's "Misspelled this, they forgot this..." rather than "Lemme type this." »ßenit, known as señor« 18:41, 14 Jul 2005 (UTC)
I'm not 100% on the "lemme", but I'm sure I hear a "type". Could be "They mistyped this". Striking out "absolutely" in my comments above. — It's dot com 19:21, 14 Jul 2005 (UTC)
Allright, I'll agree with you there. »ßenit, known as señor« 02:01, 15 Jul 2005 (UTC)
I bet all of you people expect me to adamantly assert my opinion here, right?
Actually, I have no idea what he's saying. --Jay v.2020 (Talk) 04:47, 15 Jul 2005 (UTC)
I suppose it would be a good idea for me say something, having finally listened to the email on my good headphones. It looks good as written. (that is, Lemme type this, they forgot this) —BazookaJoe 13:30, 15 Jul 2005 (UTC)
It sounds like "lemme type this" to me. --No Smorking 00:45, 17 Jul 2005 (UTC)
I'll admit it sounds like it could be either one, but logically it would be "They mistyped this" as he's talking about typos that the emailer made. »ßenit, known as señor« 13:27, 18 Jul 2005 (UTC)
Okay, now I have an opinion. "Lemme type." --Jay v.2020 (Talk) 16:59, 18 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Varying Opinions

In this email, SB says he hates "songs that try to pass off la la's, na na's, and doot do's as legit lyrics." Yet in secret recipes, his opening email song consists of mostly nana's. What gives? -Ookelaylay 15:31, 14 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Re: Reflection movement

I have compared different frames one on top of the other in Photoshop, and Strong Bad's reflection definitely moves along with his head as "Re:" and "Fwd:" zoom up across the screen. — It's dot com 17:19, 14 Jul 2005 (UTC)

First Tree Seen in H*R?

This could just be me, in that I could be completely off my rocker and forgetting something, but isn't this like the first tree seen in a Homestar Runner cartoon/e-mail proper?--Spanky The Dolphin 07:20, 15 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Well, why don't you go vote to accept this fun fact. I'll point out, however, that the "accepts" are way in the minority right now. — It's dot com 14:51, 15 Jul 2005 (UTC)

There was the Big Ol' Tree from different town.

Lappy's screen goof

The anomaly with Lappy's screen is listed as a goof for this email; but I believe it's intentional, to go along with the "no easter eggs" theme of the email. -- Kamek 07:49, 16 Jul 2005 (UTC)

I don't think so. I mean, the contrast buttons worked in essentially every email with the Tandy or Compy, and we never listed those as Easter Eggs; nor did we count it in the "first time with no eggs since ----" fact. --Jay v.2020 (Talk) 00:40, 19 Jul 2005 (UTC)
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