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| - | + | Been a fan of H★R for years and years, and it has had a nigh-incalculable influence on my sense of humor and speech patterns. Mostly I do gnome work here around on the Wiki. | |
| - | + | Also: I've made it onto yonder website twice times! | |
| - | + | <gallery widths="256px" heights="235px"> | |
| - | + | Image:Cheat Commandos Lego.png|LEGO Cheat Commandos on the [[Weekly Fanstuff 2009#WF-2009-2-26|Weekly Fanstuff]] | |
| - | + | Image:sucky-treats fanstume.jpg|Coach Z 'stume on the [[Fan Costumes 2017|Fan Costumes]] | |
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| - | + | == Might-Coulds == | |
| - | + | Various elements of wiki editorship that I feel vaguely strongly about. | |
| - | + | ===Articles=== | |
| - | + | Things that the wiki could potentially have an article about someday. Or not. | |
| - | + | * Cosplay | |
| - | + | **Mentioned in [[3 Times Halloween Funjob]], [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 11]], [[I Killed Pom Pom]], [[Fan 'Stumes 2019]]. Not a particularly notable word choice, though, is it? | |
| - | + | * Strong Bad being called "Strongbad" (b/w Strong Badia being called "Strongbadia") | |
| - | + | **Brought this in to [[Poorly Written Emails]]. Not super article-worthy outside of that. | |
| - | + | **Out-of-universe, "Strongbad" or "StrongBad" showed up in ''[[Run Devil Run Interview|Run Devil Run]]'', ''[[Penguin Brothers Interview - 26 May 2003|Penguin Brothers]]'', ''[[Wonkavision Magazine Interview|Wonka Vision]]'', ''[[The Brunswickan Interview - 4 Apr 2003|The Brunswickan]]'', the [[Alamo Drafthouse - 10 Jun 2005|Alamo Drafthouse event page]], and the [[Homestar Runner 20th Anniversary Show|20th Anniversary Show event page]]. | |
| - | + | * Multiple exclamation points!! | |
| - | + | **This is a minor but distinctive writing gag on par with Lowercase '''i''''s with how much it subtly shows up when one exclamation mark will do (see: [[Strong Bad Email Page Titles]]). Probably too hard to search for and document, and not ''that'' notable. | |
| - | + | * ''The Far Side'' | |
| - | + | **Not quite enough instances ([[Sketchbook (video)]], [[Jibblies 2]], [[Decemberweenvent Calendar]]) for notability. But if they make one more joke about it, it's go time! | |
| - | + | *Interviews that mention ''South Park'' | |
| - | + | **Too trivial for an article or category but, especially in the early 00s, interviewers ''loved'' to make the comparison. | |
| - | + | *<s>Rename "Twitter" articles to "X"</s> | |
| - | + | **Just kidding. That would be dumb. | |
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| - | == | + | ===Cleanups=== |
| - | + | Specific types of [[HRWiki:WikiGnome|gnome work]] (and beyond) I like to do. Usually I hit "Random page" until I find something that has gone uncorrected since the Bush administration. | |
| + | *Ledes | ||
| + | **A lot of articles just have a giant lede, often a single rambling paragraph, caused by editors just appending a sentence when a new incidence occurs. I like to break those up with headers so articles aren't just a play-by-play of their filmography and can describe the subject more clearly. | ||
| + | *"Apparently" | ||
| + | **Not to {{w|User:Giraffedata/comprised of|get all Giraffedata up in here}} but in the vast majority of cases such weasel-wordery can be avoided. It seems for years there was a trend to avoid being presumptuous, but it went too far to the point where articles are just short of "the Compy is presumably Strong Bad's computer, which he apparently uses to check emails". It's not a huge leap of logic to make the sort of assertions that are being elided; just drop the "apparently". | ||
| + | *Relying on in-universe rationale | ||
| + | **Sort of related to the last one? It's fun to try and rationalize every inconsistency in a {{w|Marvel No-Prize}} sort of way, but a lot of times the answer is just "the Brothers Chaps changed their minds". Homestar didn't sell his old mushroom hut and move to a ''Peanuts''-y house, they just decided to change where the fictional character lived. Sometimes DVD commentaries are improvised jokes, not hard-set canon. It's a neat thinking exercise to ponder how Homestar's eyes swivel around his skull to always face the viewer, but at the end of the day he's a two-dimensional cartoon and [[TVTropes:Main/MST3KMantra|you should really just relax]]. | ||
| + | *"However" | ||
| + | **A combo of the previous two. Overly rationalizing inconsistencies can lead to a "however, it could just be..." sentence appended to a statement - sometimes even ''right'' after another sentence starting with "however"! It's better to rewrite to say something like "There is inconsistency in [x]: in [y], [1]; in [z], [2]". | ||
| + | ===Disagreements=== | ||
| + | Things I disagree with Wiki consensus on but don't feel like fighting about. Don't feel obliged to make edits based on these on my behalf! | ||
| + | *Transcribing Diamonocle's pronunciation of "Dangeresque" | ||
| + | **Writing his line from stunt double as ''"Danger-skew"'' may be phonetically correct but it does a poor job of illustrating the joke: that he's saying "Dangeres/que" instead of "Danger/esque", breaking the word into the wrong syllables. The subtitles for the game write it as "Danger-sque", and sometimes I've used "Dangeres-queue", but neither of those are particularly good either. | ||
| + | **With the introduction of "Dagger Skew" on the Steam Trading Cards, I feel like "Danger-skew" has been 'canonized', as it were. Oh well! | ||
| + | *[[Sightings]] {{--}} especially user-generated subsections like "skins" or "web" {{--}} has outlived its usefulness and should be retired, locked as a historical archive. | ||
| + | **In 2003, back in the days of webrings or banner links, learning that something referenced Homestar was novel and could lead to discovering a new time-wastin' site... twenty years later, a vast majority of the sites have link-rotted away and a new sighting is, like, "a youtuber said jorb". I think it has value as a historical artifact, but... what's the point? Is anyone going to scroll through the 190 Web Sightings, clicking all the way? When "Sightings" was created, sites like YouTube/Reddit/Twitter/Tumblr were a year or less old; nowadays if anyone's looking for H*R fan creations (or sightings!) they're gonna just search those platforms, which are also more conducive to sharing links or images! | ||
| + | **Incidentally, [[School Sightings]] might could fall afoul of [[HRWiki:Youth protection]]... even if a lot of them are universities there's an "encourage kids to say what school they go to" thing goin' on there. | ||
| + | *Generally I favor fewer articles for one-off gags. | ||
| + | **All of the "Decemberween Pageant" character articles could be deleted and merged into one of those tabled list pages. | ||
| + | **I don't like a lot of the band articles where their only "appearance" is seeing an album cover in an easter egg but there's no musicians shown, songs named, or music heard. Why have an infobox if every field is "''[unknown]''"? | ||
| + | **Get rid of the Tom Servo article, or at the very least merge it with MST3K. An unmoving silhouette sight gag does not a "character" make. | ||
| + | *"Pizza trolls" in pizza joint could be a reference to ''Logical Journey of the Zoombinis'' | ||
| + | **I actually have greatly cooled on this over the years to the point where I think it's more '''un'''likely than likely. When I first joined the wiki (!!) I remember being annoyed that [[Talk:pizza joint#Zoombinis|it had already been discussed and rejected]] before I could contribute, plus I had not encountered {{w|Troll (slang)|the slang term "troll"}} before.<br/>'''FOR:''' (1) the phrase "pizza troll" is very distinctive and seems to have exclusively been used by the game at that point (2) TBC have previously referenced Brøderbund's Carmen Sandiego games (3) both Zoombinis and Virtual Pizz are pixelated computer games<br/>'''AGAINST:''' (1) the "trolls" look and act completely differently in VPdB and LJotZ (2) Zoombini's 1996 release date is a little late for TBC who primarily reference mid-80s/early-90s software; it's a children's game and by the time it came out in they were both in their twenties | ||
| - | [ | + | ===Wiki features=== |
| - | + | Mostly a fantastical wishlist that I recognize won't be fulfilled. I don't see the wiki getting any serious backend updates, unless something seriously breaks. | |
| - | + | *SVG image support | |
| + | **The vast majority of site elements are vector drawings. SVGs are often smaller file sizes and scale much better than raster images. | ||
| + | *[https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Collapsible_elements Collapsible elements] | ||
| + | *{{w|Template:Multiple image|Multiple images}} in a single caption box | ||
| + | **So I don't have to use the side-by-side span | ||
| + | *Ability to view filmographies in chronological order | ||
| + | **It's very difficult tracking history or evolution of something when I have to either rely on my memory or open their entire filmography one tab at a time then manually sort. | ||
| + | *Wikipedia-style references, with automatic numbering of a reflist. | ||
| + | **It'd be nice to avoid writing "In [toon]..." over and over again, and references could even include a relevant quote in a tooltip. | ||
| + | **Even something as simple-ish as the Chapman articles, it quickly got annoying manually numbering refernces. | ||
Revision as of 21:50, 9 March 2024
Been a fan of H★R for years and years, and it has had a nigh-incalculable influence on my sense of humor and speech patterns. Mostly I do gnome work here around on the Wiki.
Also: I've made it onto yonder website twice times!
 LEGO Cheat Commandos on the Weekly Fanstuff |
 Coach Z 'stume on the Fan Costumes |
Might-Coulds
Various elements of wiki editorship that I feel vaguely strongly about.
Articles
Things that the wiki could potentially have an article about someday. Or not.
- Cosplay
- Mentioned in 3 Times Halloween Funjob, Teen Girl Squad Issue 11, I Killed Pom Pom, Fan 'Stumes 2019. Not a particularly notable word choice, though, is it?
- Strong Bad being called "Strongbad" (b/w Strong Badia being called "Strongbadia")
- Brought this in to Poorly Written Emails. Not super article-worthy outside of that.
- Out-of-universe, "Strongbad" or "StrongBad" showed up in Run Devil Run, Penguin Brothers, Wonka Vision, The Brunswickan, the Alamo Drafthouse event page, and the 20th Anniversary Show event page.
- Multiple exclamation points!!
- This is a minor but distinctive writing gag on par with Lowercase i's with how much it subtly shows up when one exclamation mark will do (see: Strong Bad Email Page Titles). Probably too hard to search for and document, and not that notable.
- The Far Side
- Not quite enough instances (Sketchbook (video), Jibblies 2, Decemberweenvent Calendar) for notability. But if they make one more joke about it, it's go time!
- Interviews that mention South Park
- Too trivial for an article or category but, especially in the early 00s, interviewers loved to make the comparison.
Rename "Twitter" articles to "X"- Just kidding. That would be dumb.
Cleanups
Specific types of gnome work (and beyond) I like to do. Usually I hit "Random page" until I find something that has gone uncorrected since the Bush administration.
- Ledes
- A lot of articles just have a giant lede, often a single rambling paragraph, caused by editors just appending a sentence when a new incidence occurs. I like to break those up with headers so articles aren't just a play-by-play of their filmography and can describe the subject more clearly.
- "Apparently"
- Not to get all Giraffedata up in here but in the vast majority of cases such weasel-wordery can be avoided. It seems for years there was a trend to avoid being presumptuous, but it went too far to the point where articles are just short of "the Compy is presumably Strong Bad's computer, which he apparently uses to check emails". It's not a huge leap of logic to make the sort of assertions that are being elided; just drop the "apparently".
- Relying on in-universe rationale
- Sort of related to the last one? It's fun to try and rationalize every inconsistency in a Marvel No-Prize sort of way, but a lot of times the answer is just "the Brothers Chaps changed their minds". Homestar didn't sell his old mushroom hut and move to a Peanuts-y house, they just decided to change where the fictional character lived. Sometimes DVD commentaries are improvised jokes, not hard-set canon. It's a neat thinking exercise to ponder how Homestar's eyes swivel around his skull to always face the viewer, but at the end of the day he's a two-dimensional cartoon and you should really just relax.
- "However"
- A combo of the previous two. Overly rationalizing inconsistencies can lead to a "however, it could just be..." sentence appended to a statement - sometimes even right after another sentence starting with "however"! It's better to rewrite to say something like "There is inconsistency in [x]: in [y], [1]; in [z], [2]".
Disagreements
Things I disagree with Wiki consensus on but don't feel like fighting about. Don't feel obliged to make edits based on these on my behalf!
- Transcribing Diamonocle's pronunciation of "Dangeresque"
- Writing his line from stunt double as "Danger-skew" may be phonetically correct but it does a poor job of illustrating the joke: that he's saying "Dangeres/que" instead of "Danger/esque", breaking the word into the wrong syllables. The subtitles for the game write it as "Danger-sque", and sometimes I've used "Dangeres-queue", but neither of those are particularly good either.
- With the introduction of "Dagger Skew" on the Steam Trading Cards, I feel like "Danger-skew" has been 'canonized', as it were. Oh well!
- Sightings — especially user-generated subsections like "skins" or "web" — has outlived its usefulness and should be retired, locked as a historical archive.
- In 2003, back in the days of webrings or banner links, learning that something referenced Homestar was novel and could lead to discovering a new time-wastin' site... twenty years later, a vast majority of the sites have link-rotted away and a new sighting is, like, "a youtuber said jorb". I think it has value as a historical artifact, but... what's the point? Is anyone going to scroll through the 190 Web Sightings, clicking all the way? When "Sightings" was created, sites like YouTube/Reddit/Twitter/Tumblr were a year or less old; nowadays if anyone's looking for H*R fan creations (or sightings!) they're gonna just search those platforms, which are also more conducive to sharing links or images!
- Incidentally, School Sightings might could fall afoul of HRWiki:Youth protection... even if a lot of them are universities there's an "encourage kids to say what school they go to" thing goin' on there.
- Generally I favor fewer articles for one-off gags.
- All of the "Decemberween Pageant" character articles could be deleted and merged into one of those tabled list pages.
- I don't like a lot of the band articles where their only "appearance" is seeing an album cover in an easter egg but there's no musicians shown, songs named, or music heard. Why have an infobox if every field is "[unknown]"?
- Get rid of the Tom Servo article, or at the very least merge it with MST3K. An unmoving silhouette sight gag does not a "character" make.
- "Pizza trolls" in pizza joint could be a reference to Logical Journey of the Zoombinis
- I actually have greatly cooled on this over the years to the point where I think it's more unlikely than likely. When I first joined the wiki (!!) I remember being annoyed that it had already been discussed and rejected before I could contribute, plus I had not encountered the slang term "troll" before.
FOR: (1) the phrase "pizza troll" is very distinctive and seems to have exclusively been used by the game at that point (2) TBC have previously referenced Brøderbund's Carmen Sandiego games (3) both Zoombinis and Virtual Pizz are pixelated computer games
AGAINST: (1) the "trolls" look and act completely differently in VPdB and LJotZ (2) Zoombini's 1996 release date is a little late for TBC who primarily reference mid-80s/early-90s software; it's a children's game and by the time it came out in they were both in their twenties
- I actually have greatly cooled on this over the years to the point where I think it's more unlikely than likely. When I first joined the wiki (!!) I remember being annoyed that it had already been discussed and rejected before I could contribute, plus I had not encountered the slang term "troll" before.
Wiki features
Mostly a fantastical wishlist that I recognize won't be fulfilled. I don't see the wiki getting any serious backend updates, unless something seriously breaks.
- SVG image support
- The vast majority of site elements are vector drawings. SVGs are often smaller file sizes and scale much better than raster images.
- Collapsible elements
- Multiple images in a single caption box
- So I don't have to use the side-by-side span
- Ability to view filmographies in chronological order
- It's very difficult tracking history or evolution of something when I have to either rely on my memory or open their entire filmography one tab at a time then manually sort.
- Wikipedia-style references, with automatic numbering of a reflist.
- It'd be nice to avoid writing "In [toon]..." over and over again, and references could even include a relevant quote in a tooltip.
- Even something as simple-ish as the Chapman articles, it quickly got annoying manually numbering refernces.
