HRWiki:Old STUFF

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The situation with fun facts was getting a bit out of hand, especially with the Strong Bad Email virus. People often add fun facts that most people just don't think are fun or factual. So, we have set up this page where you can Select The Usable Fun Facts (STUFF).

Here's how it works. First off, you can still add a fun fact to the page directly. If somebody doesn't like it, though, it will probably be STUFF'D!, that is, moved to this list. If you think there is even a small bit of doubt as to whether or not everybody would agree it's notable, it should probably be added directly to this page instead. This will not be necessary for every page, only those that would otherwise likely be cluttered with fun facts. This applies mostly to pages reflecting new Homestar Runner content, for instance, the page for the latest Strong Bad Email.

Things that always make good fun facts:

  • References to other toons or e-mails that will be obvious to longtime users but not to newcomers
  • References to pop culture (but not those that are so obvious that everybody will recognize them; everybody knows that Pikachu is a Pok�mon, for instance)
  • Verified tidbits about the creation of the toon or e-mail (for example, "Mike, not Matt, provided the voice of Strong Sad saying 'Douglas'")

Things that often do not make good fun facts:

  • Speculation ("This scene may be a reference to a vaguely similar scene in The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy...")
  • Glitches due to the Flash software (unless the glitch may have a very amusing and relevant anecdote to go with it)
  • Things already noted in the transcript
  • Things that anybody can figure out by watching the toon or reading the transcript

Things that always make good fun facts can just be added directly to the appropriate page without going through the approval process. However, be careful with references: if it isn't necessarily true that the table turning into a black and red grid is a reference to StrongBadZone, then you should probably post it here instead.

When something is posted here, you can vote on it. You should be logged in and sign your vote; anonymous votes do not count because it is easy for a single user to cast multiple votes. Signing your post with the name of another user in the hopes that it won't be noticed will definitely not be tolerated. This only applies to votes: fun facts may be proposed by any user and do not have to be signed (in fact, it is probably better not to sign them).

If the admins like a fun fact, they will immediately move it to the appropriate page as needed (regardless of votes). If they don't, they will wait a while until the fun fact has accumulated enough votes or a convincing argument is made.

If (and only if) you think a page needs this process, add {{funfacts}} directly under the == Fun Facts == heading, then add the appropriate heading to this page.

Contents

To be done

  • How to distinguish between an approved fun fact and a directly-added fun fact on a page. Users would not be allowed to try and pass off their fun facts as approved if they weren't. (furrykef's current idea: tag each approved fun fact with a small star icon or other appropriate image.)
  • Where, exactly, rejected fun facts and their recorded votes should go (probably on a subpage here)
  • Get section linking working to make reaching the appropriate heading on a link to this page easier.

Toons and E-mails

virus

  • The navigation and the email are combined into one flash file (so that Homestar can grab the words).
    • Modify and keep. This is a depart from the normal for The Brothers Chaps but could use a re-wording. -- Tom 13:40, 21 Nov 2004 (MST)
    • Keep. I don't really know if it needs modifying, but it definitely should be kept, as TBC have never done it before. --TheNintenGenius 14:06, 21 Nov 2004 (MST)
    • Keep -- Asploder
    • Keep - Drhaggis 16:10, 21 Nov 2004 (MST)
    • Keep --[[User:Kilroy|Kilroy/talk]] 16:35, 21 Nov 2004 (MST)
    • Keep --Paliosun 16:53, 21 Nov 2004 (MST)
    • Decline because Homestar grabbing the words makes it pretty clear to anybody whom this would have any meaning that they are a single Flash file. - [[User:furrykef|furrykef (Talk at me)]] 18:06, 21 Nov 2004 (MST)
  • The quadratic formula is a mathematical equation used for finding solutions to quadratic equations.
    • Delete. Not meaningful, failry obvious
    • Keep. Interesting. -- Tom 13:40, 21 Nov 2004 (MST)
    • Keep. See Tom's note on it. --TheNintenGenius 14:06, 21 Nov 2004 (MST)
    • Delete. Too obvious. --Jay 14:41, 21 Nov 2004 (MST)
    • Keep- Not many peple know that --Asploder
      • You kidding?!?! I learned the quadratic formula in middle school! --Jay 15:00, 21 Nov 2004 (MST)
    • Delete. It's probably one of the most well known mathmatical formulas, right up there with the pythagorean theorem.--Dwedit 15:13, 21 Nov 2004 (MST)
    • Delete. Factual, but not fun. If someone asks in the discussion about it we will reconsider - Drhaggis 16:10, 21 Nov 2004 (MST)
    • Keep --[[User:Kilroy|Kilroy/talk]] 16:35, 21 Nov 2004 (MST)
  • "Linux" is a Free Unix-like kernel originally written for the 386 by Linus Torvalds in 1991, or part of an entire operating system which uses this kernel ("GNU/Linux").
    • Modify and keep. This seems a bit long winded. It needs to be trimmed down. -- Tom 13:40, 21 Nov 2004 (MST)
    • Modify, keep. I agree that it's interesting and that it probably could be trimmed down somewhat. --TheNintenGenius 14:06, 21 Nov 2004 (MST)
    • Modify, keep. -Drhaggis 16:10, 21 Nov 2004 (MST)
    • Keep --[[User:Kilroy|Kilroy/talk]] 16:35, 21 Nov 2004 (MST)
    • Modify, keep. Needs the trimming. --Paliosun 16:53, 21 Nov 2004 (MST)
  • The issue number of the Teen Girl Squad is the first nine digits of Pi ("3.14159265 and the rest"). Pi is an irrational number, so "the rest" would fill up an infinite number of pages.
    • Modify and keep. While I think Pi is interesting enough to include, I don't think the "infinite number of pages" part is necessary. -- Tom 13:40, 21 Nov 2004 (MST)
    • Keep Pi is pretty interesting in and of itself. I'm not so sure it needs altering, though. --TheNintenGenius 14:06, 21 Nov 2004 (MST)
    • Delete Way too obvious. --Dwedit 15:13, 21 Nov 2004 (MST)
    • Modify, keep. More of a "Did you notice", perhaps handled in the transcript. -Drhaggis 16:10, 21 Nov 2004 (MST)
    • Delete. A little too obvious. --[[User:Kilroy|Kilroy/talk]] 16:35, 21 Nov 2004 (MST)
    • Modify, keep. The "infinite number of pages" part isn't needed. --Paliosun 16:53, 21 Nov 2004 (MST)
    • Decline because anybody who could understand the concept of pi would probably already know about it. - [[User:furrykef|furrykef (Talk at me)]] 18:06, 21 Nov 2004 (MST)
  • Strong Bad saying "Oh, a wise guy, eh?" is a reference to the Three Stooges, where Curly uses the very same phrase often.
    • Delete. I'm not convinced that no one besides Curly has used this phrase. -- Tom 13:40, 21 Nov 2004 (MST)
    • Delete. This one seems kind of vague, though it definitely is a phrase associated with The Three Stooges. --TheNintenGenius 14:06, 21 Nov 2004 (MST)
    • 'Keep. I think it's good, it's interesting and not something everybody knows.
    • Delete. No evidence it's a reference. --Jay 14:41, 21 Nov 2004 (MST)
    • Modify, keep. Fairly basic 3 Stooge line - Drhaggis 16:10, 21 Nov 2004 (MST)
    • Delete. I don't think it's a reference. --Paliosun 16:53, 21 Nov 2004 (MST)
    • Decline because the phrase has also been used in many other places other than The Three Stooges and H*R. - [[User:furrykef|furrykef (Talk at me)]] 18:06, 21 Nov 2004 (MST)
  • Strong Bad being outside of "normal space" (where he exclaims "it is cold out here!") could be a reference to a bug/feature in Peasant's Quest where you can also end up "out in the black".
    • Delete. Doubtful. -- Tom 13:40, 21 Nov 2004 (MST)
    • Delete. Seems rather unlikely. --TheNintenGenius 14:06, 21 Nov 2004 (MST)
    • Delete. Not likely, that was a glitch.
    • Delete. See previous. --Jay 14:41, 21 Nov 2004 (MST)
    • Delete. Dito -Drhaggis 16:10, 21 Nov 2004 (MST)
    • Delete. --[[User:Kilroy|Kilroy/talk]] 16:35, 21 Nov 2004 (MST)
    • Delete --Paliosun 16:53, 21 Nov 2004 (MST)
  • When Bubs walks across the screen with Homestar's leg, his lower half is done in two layers of red and blue. Watching this scene with red and blue 3D glasses makes Bubs vaguely 3D. This is most likely a reference to "stunt double", in which Dangeresque 3 was supposed to be in 3D.
    • Delete. Doubtful. -- Tom 13:40, 21 Nov 2004 (MST)
    • Delete. Eh. --TheNintenGenius 14:06, 21 Nov 2004 (MST)
    • Modify but keep. I doubt the stunt double thing, but keep the other part. It's hard to see at first because you focus on the rest of bubs more in that scene.
    • Keep but maybe Modify. See previous anonymous vote. --Jay 14:41, 21 Nov 2004 (MST)
    • Delete- Vaguely 3D???? --Asploder
    • Delete- Vaguely 3D I say too??? - Drhaggis 16:10, 21 Nov 2004 (MST)
    • Delete. I don't think The Brothers Chaps intended to reference stunt double on this one. --[[User:Kilroy|Kilroy/talk]] 16:35, 21 Nov 2004 (MST)
    • Modify, keep. I doubt it's a stunt double reference. --Paliosun 16:53, 21 Nov 2004 (MST)
    • Modify, accept. Remove bit about "stunt double"/"Dangeresque 3". - [[User:furrykef|furrykef (Talk at me)]] 18:06, 21 Nov 2004 (MST)
  • This is one of only a few emails where the characters seem to "break the fourth wall" by recognizing their existence as cartoon characters on a computer screen rather than in a fictional world of their own. Other emails in which they do this are "flashback" (they extend the size of the display area and Homestar is "behind the black"), "for kids" where Strong Bad alludes to the idea of children at home watching the emails, "the process" (the entire email implies that Strong Bad is aware that he is a cartoon being watched by people at home), "huttah!", where The Cheat actually watches the e-mail on his own computer, and "extra plug" (the scene at the end with the cast making a fake e-mail give the impression that Strong Bad knows someone's watching, and that they want to see the e-mail finished).
    • Trim and redirect. This sounds very well put together, but it's a bit much for a fun fact. It sounds like it could use a page of its own which could then be linked to from a much smaller fun fact. -- Tom 13:40, 21 Nov 2004 (MST)
    • Modify, keep I'm not entirely sure it should be redirected to a seperate page, but it definitely needs to be cut down, as it's a whole paragraph. --TheNintenGenius 14:06, 21 Nov 2004 (MST)
    • Delete. It's not literally true as stated (I've seen it said that, to the H*R crew, the SB e-mails are more of a live-action deal than cartoons, and I agree.) And it's useless. --Jay 14:41, 21 Nov 2004 (MST)
    • Delete, are we tracking all suspected 4th wall breakdowns? -Drhaggis 16:10, 21 Nov 2004 (MST)
    • Keep, however it needs to be trimmed. It's a little too much information. --[[User:Kilroy|Kilroy/talk]] 16:37, 21 Nov 2004 (MST)
    • Delete. There's too many 4th wall breakdowns for any to be worth noting. --Paliosun 16:53, 21 Nov 2004 (MST)
  • When this e-mail was posted to Homestarrunner.com, the Compy 386 was still used for the e-mail menu and appeared to be working fine.
    • Modify. It could bear noting that the email menu hadn't been changed yet, but as it's written, it's a tad confusing. --TheNintenGenius 14:06, 21 Nov 2004 (MST)
    • Hold until tomorrow. This one is meaningless until the new e-mail comes out, or at least until a full week has gone by. They may be trying to keep the fate of the Compy secret until everyone gets a chance to see the new e-mail. --Jay 14:41, 21 Nov 2004 (MST)
    • Modify, keep - if this can be reworded so it is "timeless" keep it. -Drhaggis 16:10, 21 Nov 2004 (MST)
    • Keep. Worth noting, and not too bad as is. --Paliosun 16:53, 21 Nov 2004 (MST)
    • Decline because it's a little obvious (changing the menu would spoil the surprise) and the fun fact page is already cluttered. - [[User:furrykef|furrykef (Talk at me)]] 18:06, 21 Nov 2004 (MST)
  • The page title is "Compy 386??" to reflect the fate of the Compy.
    • Keep. I think it's worthy enough to note. --TheNintenGenius 14:06, 21 Nov 2004 (MST)
    • Keep. This one's okay. --Jay 14:41, 21 Nov 2004 (MST)
    • Keep . sokay by me - Drhaggis 16:10, 21 Nov 2004 (MST)
    • Keep. --[[User:Kilroy|Kilroy/talk]] 16:35, 21 Nov 2004 (MST)
    • Keep. Worth mentioning. --Paliosun 16:53, 21 Nov 2004 (MST)
    • Decline because anybody reading the transcript or watching the toon can figure out why the page title is what it is. - [[User:furrykef|furrykef (Talk at me)]] 18:06, 21 Nov 2004 (MST)
  • The sound made when the "blocky" Strong Mad walks away is the same sound heard when Homsar walks towards the screen in "for kids".
    • Delete. Wasn't this exact same fact listed somewhere else on the page already? It is interesting to note that M Strong Bad's walking noise is the exact same as Homsar's, but I don't think it's a specific reference. --TheNintenGenius 14:06, 21 Nov 2004 (MST)
    • Keep but Modify. I think it's interesting, but take out the specific reference because that's a common sound for homsar.
    • Keep but Modify. Again, it's not a specific reference, just the sound Homsar always makes when he walks. --Jay 14:41, 21 Nov 2004 (MST)
    • Delete - gone with a vengence - Drhaggis 16:10, 21 Nov 2004 (MST)
    • Keep, however it should be modified to remove the specific for kids reference because that is always the sound heard when Homsar walks. --[[User:Kilroy|Kilroy/talk]] 16:35, 21 Nov 2004 (MST)
    • Modify, keep. Chop off "for kids" part. --Paliosun 16:53, 21 Nov 2004 (MST)
    • Modify, accept. Again, chop off "for kids" part. - [[User:furrykef|furrykef (Talk at me)]] 18:06, 21 Nov 2004 (MST)
  • Edgar the Virus Hunter was written a year before the first computer virus was written. In 1983, US student Fred Cohen created the first documented virus as an experiment in computer security at the University of Southern California.
    • Keep. Now this is a pretty interesting fact, and something I had no idea about. It might need to be trimmed somewhat, but otherwise this is good. --TheNintenGenius 14:29, 21 Nov 2004 (MST)
      • Delete. I knew I should've checked this out before I voted. --TheNintenGenius 16:18, 21 Nov 2004 (MST)
    • Keep, because it's a rather funny consequence of randomly picking an old date in the past for a fake copyright notice. A virus scanner with no viruses written yet! --Dwedit 15:13, 21 Nov 2004 (MST)
    • Delete, this is incorrect. Wikipedia lists the first computer virus made in 1982.
    • Delete, this is incorrect. -Drhaggis 16:10, 21 Nov 2004 (MST)
    • Delete. Incorrect. --[[User:Kilroy|Kilroy/talk]] 16:37, 21 Nov 2004 (MST)
    • Delete --Paliosun 16:53, 21 Nov 2004 (MST)
    • Rewrite, accept. While the first virus was indeed invented in 1982 (it seems), a general virus scanner couldn't possibly exist in 1982. - [[User:furrykef|furrykef (Talk at me)]] 18:06, 21 Nov 2004 (MST)

little animal

  • The Olde Tyme version people run backwards in the Easter Egg.
    • Delete. I've looked at it. They are most definitely NOT running backwards with respect to The Sneak. I also don't think they're running backwards with respect to the buildings in the background - it almost seems that the buildings in the background are just changing randomly. --Jay 21:12, 21 Nov 2004 (MST)
    • Delete. The person who added this was probably refering to the way The Strong Bad's arms and legs move, but even so, the movement is too stiff to really tell, and is probably just an optical illusion. (run-on much?) --Paliosun 00:25, 22 Nov 2004 (MST)
    • Delete. Oh, come on. Did this person just think they were running backwards because of the way Strong Man was boucing?
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