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Spike

Coach Zed is reminiscent of Snoopy's brother Spike.

Yeah, that's what I thought. No Smorking 21:33, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

Marzipan: Ignorant?

I don't think Marzipan is as smart as was previously shown. She couldn't see through such an obvious disguise in the Easter Egg. It would seem Homestar and her are very alike... --acekirby13|My Talk 19:45, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

  • I dunno... she couldn't tell that Homestar Jr. wasn't really talking. — It's dot com 21:06, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
  • I personally think that Marzipan only pictures herself as smarter than Homestar, in a similar fashion to how Strong Bad pictures himself as a cool ladies man. --Jay (Talk) 21:10, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
  • I'm guessing Marzipan knew that it was The Cheat and just took advantage of the opportunity. Her and The Cheat have seemed to have had a thing for each other for a while anyway. -- Homeschool Winner 01:56, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
    • O_o If you say so... --Jay (Talk) 01:57, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Don't forget about Tofu Homestar. She seems to like Homestar more when he's not really Homestar. :P -- Joshua 02:15, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Marzipan's none too bright, it seems. '_' --acekirby13|My Talk 22:32, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

SCRAWNY ADDITIONS

Stop making scrawny additions like "running time: 4:23". I had the entire sbemail done and then it said "someone else has changed the page" and all that was changed was that you added "running time: 4:23"! Thanks a lot! --EMJS (Talk) 19:50, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

It's just as well. I finished the draft anyway. And, as a note, your edit is at the bottom of the screen in an Edit Conflict and can be easily copy/pasted back. --Jay (Talk) 19:51, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

NOTE: Edit conflict; what a great way to make my point!

Uh, you know that your text is on the bottom, right? You can easily copy the text from there, as I just did. Also, running time is an important factor, not a scrawny addition. Sorry you got cheated out of a transcript, but it's happened to others too. (Btw, sign your comment) --acekirby13|My Talk 19:51, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

My first addition to the Wiki (or to any Wiki for that matter)

I added a link to the forum thread. That is the only change I made. I hope I didn't screw anything up. On my first try, I took too long and got the "Someone else has edited this page" alert, so I cut-to-clipboard the link I added, backed out, and clicked edit again, and as fast as possible, added the link and clicked save. - Jalexster (sorry, didn't know about not signing my comment. I'll get the hang of everything soon.)

Cool. We all have to start somewhere. However - and I'm not trying to be rude - but this might be better served on your user page. --Jay (Talk) 20:29, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
Sorry. Should I delete my comment and move it? - Jalexster
I'll let it slide, but you can delete it if you want to. --Jay (Talk) 20:36, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

Possible Family Guy Reference

Last night's new Family Guy episode featured Peter swallowing nickels to get the world record. He also made the jangling noise with his belly. Would this possibly be a reference to Family Guy or is it to vague? --24.27.135.88 21:16, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, there's a vote going on in STUFF about that right now. I certainly think it is, especially given that they've been known to make emails at the last minute and the timing seems too perfect to be a coincidence. From after I voted, 2 people (including myself) say yes and 1 person says no. unknownwarrior33 21:18, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

I don't think its a reference, as the episode premiered on Sunday and the email premiered today...I don't think that TBC would have enough time to make such a reference, even if they cared. --Tony Stonytalk

I noticed this too and was completely weirded out. The Brothers Chaps often pull all-nighters getting their emails out, and this one came later in the day. I'm almost positive it was a reference. And I know this shouldn't be in here, but that was a great Family Guy episode! -- Homeschool Winner 02:00, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

I was about to list this one. This premiered one day after that episode; whether it consciously influenced them or not, I think it is definitely behind that part of the email. --jbo

According to interviews and such, one of the longest it takes to make a sbemail is 3 or 5 days. They can make a sbemail pretty quickly these days... So it's quite possible. --StarWarsMonkey :-) 00:05, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

'School'?

There were two references in this email about SB and Homestar going to school together (possibly with Strong Mad). Has this ever been mentioned before, or is it just a random joke of some kind?

It has. Strong Sad was talking about how he went to school in Yellow Dellow. Sign your posts.-Alice

little hearts

When I first watched this email, there weren't any little hearts above Homestar's head when he said "Strong Bad, I think I'm falling for you." Did anyone else catch that?-Alice

I saw it very shortly after it came out. Like within less than half an hour. As far as I know, the hearts were always there. --Jay (Talk) 19:46, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
Same here. -- tomstiff 19:47, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

oops. my bad. -Alice

Homestar: Gay?

From what he did in this email, Homestar seems like he's gay. Do you think he is? -Kinsey

I'm not sure that Strong Bad's imagination counts as canon. --Jay (Talk) 19:45, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
EDIT CONFLICT'd!!! With Strong Bad cutting out like that, I don't think that part was real. -- Joshua 19:46, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
Homestar "falls" for SB in "real-time", not as part of the do-over. -- tomstiff 19:51, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
Does he? Strong Bad immediately ends the whole thing and acts as though it never happened after Homestar falls for him. --Jay (Talk) 20:06, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
They go into the sequence in what seems like "reality". But they do come out of it as if he was imagining. Regardless, it's just a joke. Strong Bad's allure is so strong, everyone falls for him! -- tomstiff 20:16, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
Regardless of whether it was imaginary or not, it seems like the joke is that Strong Bad was singing such a terrible song, and then a GUY fell in love with him. And without another reference to Homestar's sexuality, I wouldn't say that this constitutes as a fact. -- Lord Karkon
sigh: Just becasue Homestar has the socio-cognitive developmental equiviency of a 10-year-old does not make him "Gay." (If I used to many big words for you, I just said that Homestar acts like a child).

Does this make him "Retarded?" Quite possibly, but not gay. He's just blissfully unaware of sexuality; much like your litle brother that giggles when you say a mildly naught word. Keep in mind the nature of his relationship with Marzipan. To sum him up, he's not just dim in "I've got a girfriend" department, he's dim to the point of fumbling around a lot and bumping into stuff (not just figuratively, I might add). Is it any wonder that Marzipan is mostly indiferent to his advances? Be this as it may, I don't believe it's helpfull to put such labels on Homestar. Even if he were a flaming homosexual who advertised his homosexuality and organized daily Gay Pride marches in Strong Bad's living room* I really would't see the point in actively applying the "gay" label to him.

  • Why there? Becasue he'd be gay but still Homestar. He's be Gaystar Runner. Or perhaps Homestar Gayer. Take your pick.

This concludes the mostly pointless but also mildly amusing "is he Gay" thread. You may now question your own sexuality if you like.

Casting Coach Zed

No one seems to be able to agree on this. Should Coach Zed be in the cast list? I vote yes, BTW. --Jay (Talk) 20:06, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

No, I don't think so. He was probably just a one-time easter egg gag. --StarWarsMonkey :-) 00:08, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

So what? He appeared so he should be in the cast list. I mean, we included Li'l Brudder in the cast list of crying, did we not? And as far as we knew at the time, he was just a one-time gag, correct? --Jay (Gobble) 05:13, 22 May 2005 (UTC)
Li'l Brudder plays a much bigger part in crying than Coach Zed does in do over. Also, without the easter egg drawing, Coach Zed isn't really a different person. I say leave him out of the cast list. --68.82.147.62 05:37, 22 May 2005 (UTC)

"Attack of the Show"-ed?

This is probably stretching, but Strong Bad whacking Homestar with the keyboard could be considered a reference to the Homerowed sketch found on Attack of the Show. The show used to be The Screen Savers, which featured an interview of TBC: Screen Savers Interview - 24 Jan 2005 --madcrasher

I just added a note pointing out that the whole "Zed" thing is a bit of a misconception, although technicly it is correct. If you look it up in a grammar/pronounciation guide, it's there. However, in reality it's not so simple. Due to the constant exposure to american media (tv, movies, print, etc.) you are less and less likely to hear a Canadian in Canada actualy pronounce the letter "Z" as "zed" now than you were thrity years ago. Since it seems that it takes about thirty years for the grammar & diction handbooks to get with the times, it's not surprising that you yanks think we canucks all say "Zed" all; the time up here in the great frozen igloo-factury that is Canada. (You just keep thinking we all live in igloos. Gives you less reason to want to invade us.)  ;)

In fairness, sometimes I will still pronounce it "zed", especialy when it comes to spelling my nameout loud, (For those of you who weren't paying attention, I just told you that my name has one or more "z" in it.) I know it's still prevelent and has not died outr of useage. I'm just trying to point out that Canadians are not known to say "Zee" from time to time as well as "Zed". Ok?

Now, if you realy wanna get into a pronunciation debate, ask me how to pronounce "Saskatchewan" or "Toque" or "Poutine" (and no, the last one is not the name of the current Russian leader, bet rather an food item unique to Canada.) Or something harder if you really wanna get into it. I'm all Canadian, all the time.

-Sarge

Round ol red head? (or something similar)

Isn't the begginning of the serenade a reference to the King of town's description of Strong Bad in the Strong Bad in jail cartoon? -Carlo

I don't think so, but it is more evidence toward the theory that the wrestling mask is Strong Bad's head. -Alice

Unrelated RWR

  • Strongbad's denying that he has ever made any mistakes is a reference to George W. Bush's similar answer to that question during a press conference.
    • Found this in real world references. IMO, it's rediculously stretched, and hardly related at all, so i'll be removing it from the RWR for now. If there's any objections, take it to STUFF, k? EDY-innit 23:52, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

Possible goof

Marzipan never wears lipstick, sohow did she cover The Cheat in it?-Ashley

Good Point. It shows, as was mentiones above, that Marzipan likes Homestar more when he's not actually Homestar. That kind of thing always happens in cartoons. -Alice

Coach Zed = Spike?

Hey...am I the only person who thinks that the drawing of "Coach Zed" looks like Snoopy's brother Spike from Peanuts? Maybe it's the whiskers... -Jeff

Nope, you're not. —FireBird|Talk 02:58, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
It's not listed there, but it IS listed next to the Coach Zed Easter egg and on the Coach Zed page. --Jay (Gobble) 03:04, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
Oops.—FireBird|Talk 03:07, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

Closed STUFF

Bang On The Drum (DECLINED)

When Homestar hits the drum, it changes pitch, but a real drum could not do this without adjustment. Knowing that Homestar's "arms" are invisible, he may be doing this and it can't be noticed.

  • THIS was in the remarks it seams useless to me don't change it is in the remarks on the page for DO OVER allred this is just caliging it
  • Decline First, sign your posts. Second, although I do think this is mildly interesting, it is not enough to really merit a fun fact. -- Tony Stonytalk
  • Decline. -- tomstiff 22:14, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Decline The angle and force at which the drum is struck can affect it somewhat as well. --AnarchyBalsac
  • Decline Homestar has no arms invisible or otherwise. Quit saying that he does. Donny vs Universe
    • Second. --Beatfox 02:35, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Decline because your geekdar's broken. Dasrik 09:28, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
  • revise eliminate the second sentence completely. Fizz123
  • Decline as it is false. If you hit the centre of a drum it gives a low pitch, but hitting the edge of a drum gives a higher pitch. Plus things like how hard you hit the drum, as mentioned above. --phlip 11:38, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Decline Seriously, have you nothing better to do than speculate as to how percussion works for people whose arms actully aren't there? Get a life.
  • Second Fizz's Post. And I'm sure if it was eliminated in the first place, most of the people who have said "Dacline" would have probably voted "Accept." TK600 23:20, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Decline «Rob» 10:16, 19 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Not me. Decline user: Lappy 486Lappy 486 22:48, 19 May 2005 (UTC)
  • ACCORPTED!!!Some revision wouldn't hurt but it's pretty good as is.Because, It's Midnite
  • Decline - Darth Vader summarizes my feelings; just doesn't seem that noteworthy. --Shadow Hog 03:20, 21 May 2005 (UTC)

Falling for You (DECLINED)

When Homestar comments "I think I'm falling for you", it's a reference to the Weezer song "Falling For You" off the Pinkerton album.

  • This is a generic sentence that I've heard plenty of times outside Weezer songs - I've left it on do over in case, though.
  • Uh, no. No it's not. Turn off geekdar. It's haywire. Dolores! Dasrik 09:27, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Decline are we seriously voting for this? --Tony Stony 11:15, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
  • DECLINE It's things like THIS that we need to purge STUFF from. Someone had reentered this "fun fact," and I didn't know it was in STUFF. But it looked so stupid, I just deleted it on the spot. That's what should have been done here. C'mon people, while some facts are good to STUFF, like the "Family Guy" one below, others are better off disappearing. -- Joshua 12:14, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Decline. This is only interesting in that the author attempted to atttribute the reference to a band other than TMBG! -- tomstiff 13:37, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Holy crap, no That's a very common phrase. Get this so-called fun fact out of my SIGHT. Rudeboy87 14:03, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
    • Secondated!! Kvb 18:52, 19 May 2005 (UTC)
  • This is absurd. This is not how STUFF was meant to work. This page is for those facts that fall in that gray area of "maybe good, maybe not." It's not for this kind of nonsense. — It's dot com 14:26, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Um, I dunno what that MEANS! And you're still DECLINED! *cough* yup. EDY-innit 14:50, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
  • No, it's not. (declined) 21:58 17 May 2005
  • Yeah, shut up kid kthx Keep crap off kthx. ---the spludge 21:11, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Are you some sort of Declined Brew? Absurd loose music reference. No. --Homsar999ß 22:33, 17 May 2005 (CDT)
  • Common pharse Declined The Pardack
  • DEE-CLAAAANE!What?! Are you kidding? Everybody knows "Falling for you" is just a common phrase. TK600 23:17, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Decline It's a common phrase. «Rob» 10:16, 19 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Decline. 'Nuff said. -- SBEmail22
  • Decline! What everyone else said. -- SaikoRoxi 10:58 AM, 21 May 2005
  • This one doesn't even deserve my vote. --Beatfox 04:59, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

Change of Pace (ACCEPTED)

Homestar eating coins might be a reference to the Family Guy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_Guy) episode that aired the night before this email was released, in which Peter Griffin also ate coins and made a very similar jingling sound.


  • Accept-erson I actually saw Family Guy the night before this email was released and I thought about it as a watched this email. And considering the fact that TBC make updates (in this case, the new email) late Sunday night or early Monday morning (usually), it is a possibility. I mean, TBC seem like the kinda funny dudes who watch those kind of shows, like me. 8-P Cheatachu72
  • Decline. I'd think this would have been in the works for awhile. But, I did read in one of the interviews that they stick jokes in at the last minute. Still, I think it's a stretch. -- tomstiff 20:33, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Accept I was just about to say that! Given the timing and Homestar's comment about being "jingly" ("tell me that doesn't sound like camp town races!") make me believe it. unknownwarrior33 21:10, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
  • DO OVER!!! I'm willing to chalk this one up to coincidence without some more solid evidence (okay, okay, I didn't watch it, but it SOUNDS like it's the sort of thing I'd normally call a coincidence.) --Jay (Talk) 21:24, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Accept As soon as I saw this, I immediately thought Family Guy, the timing is way too much of a coincedence, and the Brothers do e-mails on Sundays usually, especially since this one wasnt even up until later today, rather than early in the morning like usual. The brothers seem like the type who would watch Family Guy too. --Dex 21:28, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Decline I would count this as a very bizzare coincidence...while it may be a reference, I doubt that TBC would have much time to put it in, and if they did if they cared so much...besides, TBC is not especially known to steal jokes from other shows. Reference them maybe, but it was essentially the same joke. --Tony Stonytalk
  • Accept. I haven't made up my mind. Although, if all the coins were nickels, then it would be more clear-cut... — It's dot com 22:04, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Accept and a minor rewrite-or at least a couple of fixes while I'm looking at it. I saw the same episode, and it seems like a reference to me. The timing's too good to make it unlikely. As for the rewrite, just stick 'aired' after 'episode' (doesn't sound right to me without it) and replace 'where' with 'in which' And Griffin has two Fs. Suicune64 23:25, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
    • Since these changes don't affect the substance of the fact, we'd might as well go ahead and make them.
  • Accept You theif!!! I wanted to say this. Oh well. --AnarchyBalsac
  • Why do you people think that TBC would reference the show, considering that the majority of Homestarrunner.com does not contain references to other pop culture shows and their jokes, especially not to the extent of stealing a joke. (after all it seems that the joke was not so much a reference as a direct steal if it was)....
    • To the person who didn't sign their name: Uh... let me see here, Cheat Commandos is a huge reference to G.I. Joe, which was part of pop culture and is still a well-known character/franchise, Bug In Mouth Disease alludes to Dallas, pizzaz makes a Seinfeld reference, montage makes a big Rocky reference. As such, I have to disagree when you say HSR makes no references to pop culture. Granted, some of the many are no longer in pop culture, and some are dated, but one cannot say that there are no pop culture references. Suicune64 01:55, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
      • Sorry about that, I forgot to hit the ~s. Now I was not saying that Homestarrunner.com never makes pop culture references...There are dozens, as TBC are big into pop culture in general. All I am saying is that the examples listed above parody or make fun of or at least ellaborate on pop culture. Not so with the alleged Family Guy reference. That seems to be (a) Not anywhere near as obvious as the others and (b) pretty much the same joke that Family Guy used. I personally would assume that TBC would be original enough to make up their own jokes, not use others, and I think there is a large difference in referencing and stealing the entire joke. Besides, I doubt they had enough time to anyway. I still think it is a coincidence. -- Tony Stonytalk
      • On the other hand, it was posted one day after the episode aired, which is why I accepted this when I would normally decline --AnarchyBalsac
  • In The Dilbert Future by Scott Adams, Scott has a chapter where he talks about ideas, and how sometimes they can come off as not-original. He wrote a chapter about security cameras in public places and when he turned on his T.V there was a report on the exact same thing. He wrote a comic with a joke about a fake opera singer called "Placebo Domingo" and when he opened his newspaper there was a comic with the same exact joke. I guess what I'm saying is...its a coincidence. Don't be so quick to accept just because of that. This one should never have been STUFF'D, just deleted. Decline from school Donny vs Universe
    • Unless I see evidence that convinces me otherwise, I'ma gonna Second that. --Beatfox 05:41, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Accept This one makes sense, and we all know that TBC will do last minute edits to make it even funnier. Ramrod 04:09, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
    • But other than the fact that Homestar eats change, is there anything less...coincidental tying it to Family Guy?
    • Yes, the fact that this sbemail was posted the day after that episode aired. --AnarchyBalsac
    • Yeah, nice to know you read my reply on COINCIDENCES. Because its likely just a COINCIDENCE do you have any other connections beyond, "it was posted the day after the Family Guy episode". Donny vs Universe
    • No but I'm not changing my vote and there's nothing ou can do about it. :D --AnarchyBalsac
  • Sorry, everybody who declined this, but there is absolutely nothing wrong with this fun fact. Strong Accept. --ISlayedTheKerrek 16:50, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
Please don't tell people that there is nothing wrong with this. They have their own opinion, and that is okay. →FireBird|(Talk)
  • I know I already voted, but this sounds too coincidental. The timing and the similar (but apparently not identical) jokes are the only connection anyone has brought forth - and that's not really enough for me. It's possible, I suppose, but usually the "could bes" of the Wiki get near-unanimous declines. --Jay (Talk) 21:06, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Rewrite I say we add something around "It's coincidental that a day before this email came out, Peter Griffin tried to eat coins in an episode of Family Guy." in "Remarks". →FireBird|(Talk)
    • That might make a bit more sense as a fun fact, but it still lacks any "funness" or "factitude" in my opinion. -- Tony Stonytalk
  • STRONG ACCEPT I watched family guy on sunday, and when I saw the e-mail it made me think in an instant- I think that's a reference to Family Guy. im_a_evil_wizard 20:36, 17 May 2005 (ETC)
    • I actually thought the exact same thing when I watched this toon on monday. However, despite my early instincts, logically the "reference" would not make sense to me, as listed above -- Tony Stony 11:17, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Accept. Considering this email came out the day after the new Family Guy aired and it contained a very similar gag (even though Homestar didn't go blind from nickel poisoning), I'd say there's a good chance that this was an intentional reference. Family Guy seems like the type of show TBC would watch. --Upset_Your_Balance 15:44, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Accept so strong you'd think there were two of them -- Kiwi 16:40, 18 May 2005
  • Accept. Even if it is a coincidence, it's a good fun fact. «Rob» 10:16, 19 May 2005 (UTC)
    • If its a coincidence then there is no reason to list it. Donny vs Universe
    • Good thing it's not a coincidence --AnarchyBalsac
      • How can you be so sure? (oh, and when responded to a bulleted fact, use multiple stars instead of colons. It's easier to respond that way (you MUST use colons to respond to a colon-starred fact or it looks terrible), and the spacing is off if you use colons.) --Jay (Gobble) 04:45, 22 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Decline. Usually when there's a pop culture reference, it's supposed to be what makes the joke funny. But this joke is funny on its own. It's actually less funny when I think about it being a reference, because like a bunch of other people said, it wouldn't be parodying, it would be stealing. -Miss Free Country USA
    • Accept. It wouldn't be stealing. It would be homage-ing. beanluc
  • Accept I was thinking the same thing, but I thought it was a coincedence until I read in an intereveiw that they make the emails on Sunday. Now we just need Homestar to go blind. Ju Ju Master
  • Okay look, if the e-mail had been posted a week or more after the Family Guy episode, this wouldn't even be an issue, it would've just been shrugged off as a similiar gag and not a reference. TBC are not stupid nor do they blindly rip gags off from other people. The fact that the e-mail aired so close to the FG episode only adds to the evidence that its a coincidence. Family Guy isn't the only cartoon or show to have characters eating change (an episode of the Simpsons had Bart eating change). Donny vs Universe
  • Incredibly Strong Accept I think this is completely true. Maybe I will second Jay. But I don't think I watched that night, which ep was it of FG? --Lappy 486 Lappy 486 23:02, 19 May 2005 (UTC)
  • I'm gonna say ACCEPT - Makes sense to me. I like that episode too! - SaikoRoxi
  • All right, I'm 90% sure that most of this is because you like Family Guy, not because there's a real connection. The timing is probably nothing more than a coincidence, and from my understanding, the joke is only vaguely similar. EVERY OTHER REFERENCE BAR NONE that goes through STUFF needs a solid connection or it gets near-unanimous declines, but that solid connection is curiously absent here. Why accept this fact? I can't see why! --Jay (Gobble) 04:50, 22 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Decline. I just don't see it. Other than the fact that it involved coinage being eaten, I just don't see any similarity between the two incidents --phlip 06:04, 22 May 2005 (UTC)
  • To everyone who wants more evidence: In the Family Guy episode the previous night, there were a couple of jokes about the coins jingling in Peter's stomach, and Homestar makes a very similar jingling noise after eating the coins. - AtionSong 10:13, 22 May 2005
    • Uh, that was already a part of the fact and adds nothing to this discussion. --Jay (Gobble) 15:39, 22 May 2005 (UTC)
      • Nor does it add any weight to the evidence that the two jokes are connected. Donny vs Universe
  • I agree with Jay. I think you guys are trying to make a connections where there is none, simply because you want it. I don't think TBC would be cheap enough to steal a joke from Family Guy. I, too, enjoy FG. I enjoy it enough to realize that both Seth Mcfarlane and TBC are original enough to not copy eachother in some sort of "homage".... - Tony Stony 18:31, 22 May 2005 (UTC)
    • It's not a stolen joke or a borrowed one, it's a reference. Sort of like TBC saying "Hi, we like your show" --AnarchyBalsac
      • If it IS based on FG, then it's a stolen joke, because they don't give any credit of any sort to the original - including SOLID references (like the type I've been asking for since my vote!). --Jay (Gobble) 01:29, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
        • Since when was did any of the referrences(anywhere on HR) get mentioned in the credits? --AnarchyBalsac
          • You're taking the word too literally. I mean that the references make some mention that can easily be tied to something else that makes the reference (relatively) clear - the name of the character on the Halloween costume is revealed, an exact line of dialogue is replicated, the name of an establishment is thrown into conversation, etc. Where's the tie here? It's a similar joke that could stand on its own without Family Guy having ever used the same joke. --Jay (Gobble) 02:06, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
          • For me it was the coins jingling inside homestar they way they did inside peter. --AnarchyBalsac
            • But that's still just part of the similar joke that could easily stand on its own without FG having ever done the joke. It's not solid. --Jay (Gobble) 02:21, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
            • The point is we do have probable cause to believe this. I suppose it could be revised to say it was posted the day after a very similar joke on family guy aired, and that wether this was a wink at Seth Mcfarline, is unknown. That much is clearly true. --02:52, 23 May 2005 (UTC)~
              • We have just as much reason to accept this as "Get Back Loretta" and you Declined that. --Jay (Gobble) 02:55, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
              • I obviously feel the reasoning provided is sufficient and much better than on that one, or I would have declined this one. I didn't however. --AnarchyBalsac
              • The only "reasoning" supplied has just given weight to the argument that this is a coincidence. Once again, the fact that the toons aired so close to each other, the fact that TBC DO NOT rip off jokes directly from other people (instead using more subtle references like in the Halloween toons), and that the jokes are not identical only help to show that its a coincidence. Nobody has given reasoning beyond the close air date. THAT is why people are so opposed to this one. And to the person who said the coin jingling noises were similiar: Get a bunch of coins together. Jingle them. Sound familier? Donny vs Universe
              • Apparently more are not opposed to it, then opposed. All you're argueing is "cus I said so". --AnarchyBalsac
                • And now you're once again resorting to petty insults. Way to give me another reason to see this fun "fact" die. Donny vs Universe
  • I vote against. Similar jokes, yes. But not enough to consider one a referance to the other. Decline --GG Crono 22:41, 22 May 2005 (UTC)
  • This is getting sort of petty on both sides, but my firm stance is: if this was referring to anything other than Family Guy, it probably would already be Declined unanimously. This fact is EQUALLY as valid as dozens of other Declined facts. The arguments that have been provided are all circumstantial and probably coincidental: a similar joke that happened to be one day apart. The words "might be" in the fact (which ARE there) cause almost everyone on this Wiki to Decline it without even reading any further. No solid connections - NONE - have been provided. Okay, so they both involve eating coins and having them jingle. That doesn't automatically make it a reference, since no dialogue is reproduced and no names are mantioned. --Jay (Gobble) 08:41, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
  • And I'll say it one more time - it doesn't actually refer to Family Guy at all. If it IS based on Family Guy then it's nothing more than joke theft, and I'd like to think that The Bros. Chaps are above that sort of plagiarism. --Jay (Gobble) 08:49, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
    • Besides, (and this IS getting really petty), the way that Homestar made the sound of coins jangling is not similar enough to be called a reference to how Peter jangled. I mean, how many characters of cartoons have eaten change before anyway? How many have jangled in some sort afterwards as part of a joke? Even if this is a reference (which i highly doubt to be as such), what makes you think it was a Family Guy reference? If Homestar ate nickles, maybe. I like FG as much as the next guy, and I respect both the creators of FG and HSR to be original enough to not steal a joke from someone else. To me, this is starting to feel like that episode of South Park entitled "Simpsons Did it." Have we become Butters people? -- Tony Stony 22:19, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
  • OK, I think this has been up for quite a while, and even though there is a lot of discussion, there are 15 Accepts and 6 Declines, so this looks like a winner.
    • {At this point, Jay starts crying. Strong Bad puts away his Li'l Brudder drawing and walks away laughing.} How can the SAME PEOPLE declining "No la dee la dee la" accept this? It boggles my mind. There is no substance to this fact. It is "Family Guy did this, and Homestar did it too, and although there's no solid connection, it MUST be a reference" being accepted while "TBC are referencing THEMSELVES in something that contextually makes NO SENSE if it's not a reference and they reference themselves ALL THE FRIKKING TIME" being declined??? HAS THE WIKI GONE MAD?!?!?!?! {pant pant} Seriously needed to get that out of my system. --Jay (Gobble) 06:37, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
    • This is a very sad day for democracy. I can't believe that so many people believe that a connection exists just because two humor places did a similar joke at a similar time. Maybe this explains why so many believe in Nostradamus, fortune telling, and god. -- Tony Stony 18:04, 29 May 2005 (UTC)
      • I'm neither agreeing nor disagreeing with you (out loud) but watch what you type - some people can be VERY aggressive about defending their religion when comments like that are made (I'm not one of them, but I've met enough people who are.) --Jay (Gobble) 20:39, 29 May 2005 (UTC)
        • Sorry about that. It was meant to be a joke. I mean no offense to anybody, religious or not. -- Tony Stony 20:42, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

IMMEDIATE contesting of an Accepted fact

I'm not letting this die until the fact does. I'm invoking the little-used but perfectly valid power to CONTEST a bad fact that got accepted anyway. I refer, of course, to the Family Guy non-reference, AKA "Change of Pace" (see above). There is no reason to believe that it's a reference that can't be chalked up to pure coincidence, and if the "fact" is true, then it doesn't mean that there was any "homage" - it means that TBC are plagiarists, and I'd prefer to think of them as being better than that. --Jay (Gobble) 08:55, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Although this sort of reminds me of Star Wars (so this is how democracy dies), I am with ya. But how would this work anyhow? -- Tony Stony 11:10, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Right on brudda! This is a stinky one! -- tomstiff 13:04, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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