Template talk:strongbadquote
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[edit] Quote templates for normal-style characters?
We created {{homsarquote}} to placate users who couldn't settle on just one quote for the Homsar page. It's grown substantially, but it's remained manageable because Homsar doesn't really have that many appearances, relatively speaking, and so we can put everything he says on a page. We then added {{cardgagequote}} and {{whalequote}} because they're in the same vein: characters that we don't see often that spout non sequiturs. On the other hand, I think a quote template for a normal-style character, especially the character that dominates the site, is not a good idea. Assuming just three or four gems per appearance (which for some toons is probably a very low figure), Strong Bad has literally said thousands of funny lines. We couldn't possibly hope to contain them all in a such a template, nor should we try. — It's dot com 04:03, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
- I agree with idc. Homsarquote was created for a specific purpose, and there isn't such a need here. Although, would this be a valid personal user subpage topic? -128.103.10.135 04:54, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
- Then why is there {{whalequote}}? Homsar and Strong Bad are easily quotable characters and you can make just as much an argument for Strong Bad as you can for Homsar. If you don't keep this, then there really is no reason for there to be any quote templates at all. --I slayed the Kerrek 06:37, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
- It's not about easily quotable, it's about whether there will be edit wars over the caption. Since there have been none here, there's no reason for it. — Defender1031*Talk 04:54, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
- Then there's no reason for any of the rest of them, especially Whalequote because there was no edit war there either. --I slayed the Kerrek. Really. 04:18, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
- No, stop! Hold it! It is absolutely vital that I point out to you that homsarquote, cardgagequote and whalequote are all being used as part of special Userboxes, which are in use by many users of this wiki. If we delete these templates, we end up glitching up a significant number of user pages. There is no way we can just go ahead and do that, for such an action would be discourteous to the people who come to this wiki. On the other hand, no one's using strongbadquote, so this can be deleted. – The Chort 18:56, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
- Then we can tell the users to stop using them because they will be deleted. I repeat, AGAIN, that there is no reason that this should be deleted while the others get to stay. They are all either equally useful or equally useless. --I slayed the Kerrek. Really. 19:57, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
- No, stop! Hold it! It is absolutely vital that I point out to you that homsarquote, cardgagequote and whalequote are all being used as part of special Userboxes, which are in use by many users of this wiki. If we delete these templates, we end up glitching up a significant number of user pages. There is no way we can just go ahead and do that, for such an action would be discourteous to the people who come to this wiki. On the other hand, no one's using strongbadquote, so this can be deleted. – The Chort 18:56, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
- Then there's no reason for any of the rest of them, especially Whalequote because there was no edit war there either. --I slayed the Kerrek. Really. 04:18, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
- It's not about easily quotable, it's about whether there will be edit wars over the caption. Since there have been none here, there's no reason for it. — Defender1031*Talk 04:54, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
- Then why is there {{whalequote}}? Homsar and Strong Bad are easily quotable characters and you can make just as much an argument for Strong Bad as you can for Homsar. If you don't keep this, then there really is no reason for there to be any quote templates at all. --I slayed the Kerrek 06:37, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
If the Drive-Thru Whale has one, I see no reason the site's most frequently appearing character can't. Maybe we could just narrow the list to Quotes of the Week. 
BBG 04:09, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
- Exactly my point. --I slayed the Kerrek. Really. 19:38, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
- I agree with everything It's Dot Com said. Delete. Omnisweater 16:47, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
- Dotcom is wrong, and so are you. --I slayed the Kerrek. Really. 19:38, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
- On the contrary, I Slayed The Kerrek, you are wrong. Omnisweater 20:56, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
- Why, because I don't agree with you? -- I slayed the Kerrek. Really. 00:36, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
- I'm going to have to side with Dot Com on this one. There isn't much need for a Strong Bad quote, since there is far too many. (even if we limited it to QOTW, that's over 200 entries). However, Quote generators for Homsar, Cardgage and Whale are all fairly narrow. I would also warn I Slayed that a) the discussion page should be civil and b) once a page in the wiki is made, it belongs to the community, and thus it is for the community decide whether or not it should continue to exist and in what form. wbwolf (t | ed) 19:47, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
- But as I stated BEFORE, and will repeat again, if there is no reason for one to exist then there cannot be reasons for any of the others to either. The only one, MAYBE, would be Homsar. --I slayed the Kerrek. Really. 00:36, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
- But as It's Dot Com and Wbwolf have stated BEFORE, this template does have a unique reason to not exist: Strong Bad has said hundreds of thousands of quotes, while the other characters have only said a few, and there isn't a single quote that sums up their character the best. Therefore, to avoid edit wars, it is randomized. Omnisweater 02:49, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
- Just wanted to go down in the book as agreeing with IDC and wbwolf. The thing to remember here is that the other three random quote generators are used on the characters respective articles, while this one is not. And to repeat, to document all the quotable things that Strong Bad has said would require a very, very long page. I'm not sure if anyone would have the time or the resources to do such a documentation. --
Super Martyo boing! 05:04, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
- So then limit it to Quotes of the Week as Wbwolf suggested. I repeat, ANOTHER TIME, that if one doesn't need to exist than NONE OF THEM do. --I slayed the Kerrek. Really. 19:17, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
- Wbwolf didn't actually suggest that we do that. In my first post, I stated the reason the template of Homsar quotes exists, so you can refer to it there. By now, that template is so entrenched that it's frivolous to suggest it be removed. I also stated why the other two exist. There is a fundamental difference between the characters those templates represent and Strong Bad. Namely, Strong Bad is much too prominent and has said too much. His quotes of the week are good, but not necessarily his best lines. On the other hand, the templates we do have can encompass virtually everything those characters have ever said, so it's apples and oranges to try and compare them. — It's dot com 00:54, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
- I don't understand how it's apples and oranges when it's the exact same thing. I really don't. As I've been saying (and apparently no one is getting) is that there's no need for any of them if there's no need for one. --I slayed the Kerrek. Really. 04:36, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) ISlayedTheKerrek, you're being too defensive right now. I'm sorry if you feel like this template deserves to be a part of this wiki, but I think I'm speaking for the majority of the users when I say this should be deleted. It would get way too long and we have no need for it. You do bring up a valid argument when you say that the other templates are identical to this, but they aren't nearly as long as this one could potentially get. Also, if we accept this, where do we draw the line? What's to prevent people from making a template for each and every single character in the cartoon? I say we draw the line at the point it's being drawn right now; {{homsarquote}}, {{cardgagequote}}, and {{whalequote}} should be the only ones of their kind in the main namespace of this wiki. -- Super Martyo boing! 05:56, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
- I didn't intend to repeat myself, but apparently I need to. I disagree that the other templates are identical to this one. They're not. The Homsar quote template was created for one purpose: the caption on the page about Homsar. It grew into something that could be used in a userbox, and thus became somewhat integral to the wiki. It was joined by the templates for Senor Cardgage and the whale because they each say bizarre, offbeat things. The three templates are manageable because the sum of everything those three characters have ever said in the entire Homestar Runner body of work is relatively small. A proposed template for Strong Bad differs in several key areas:
- There is no need for a caption template for Strong Bad in the article namespace, so this template would be confined almost exclusively to the user namespace.
- He is not a peripheral character; he's a central character, perhaps the central character, and he says funny things, but not typically crazy things.
- The sheer volume of things he's said would be hopelessly impractical to incorporate into a template.
- Any attempt to abridge his quotes would be too subjective or, if we went solely by quotes of the week, inadequate.
- For these reasons, this template is impractical. It would be fun to have, but we don't really need it, and it should be deleted. — It's dot com 06:38, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
- I didn't intend to repeat myself, but apparently I need to. I disagree that the other templates are identical to this one. They're not. The Homsar quote template was created for one purpose: the caption on the page about Homsar. It grew into something that could be used in a userbox, and thus became somewhat integral to the wiki. It was joined by the templates for Senor Cardgage and the whale because they each say bizarre, offbeat things. The three templates are manageable because the sum of everything those three characters have ever said in the entire Homestar Runner body of work is relatively small. A proposed template for Strong Bad differs in several key areas:
- (edit conflict) ISlayedTheKerrek, you're being too defensive right now. I'm sorry if you feel like this template deserves to be a part of this wiki, but I think I'm speaking for the majority of the users when I say this should be deleted. It would get way too long and we have no need for it. You do bring up a valid argument when you say that the other templates are identical to this, but they aren't nearly as long as this one could potentially get. Also, if we accept this, where do we draw the line? What's to prevent people from making a template for each and every single character in the cartoon? I say we draw the line at the point it's being drawn right now; {{homsarquote}}, {{cardgagequote}}, and {{whalequote}} should be the only ones of their kind in the main namespace of this wiki. --
- I don't understand how it's apples and oranges when it's the exact same thing. I really don't. As I've been saying (and apparently no one is getting) is that there's no need for any of them if there's no need for one. --I slayed the Kerrek. Really. 04:36, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
- Wbwolf didn't actually suggest that we do that. In my first post, I stated the reason the template of Homsar quotes exists, so you can refer to it there. By now, that template is so entrenched that it's frivolous to suggest it be removed. I also stated why the other two exist. There is a fundamental difference between the characters those templates represent and Strong Bad. Namely, Strong Bad is much too prominent and has said too much. His quotes of the week are good, but not necessarily his best lines. On the other hand, the templates we do have can encompass virtually everything those characters have ever said, so it's apples and oranges to try and compare them. — It's dot com 00:54, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
- So then limit it to Quotes of the Week as Wbwolf suggested. I repeat, ANOTHER TIME, that if one doesn't need to exist than NONE OF THEM do. --I slayed the Kerrek. Really. 19:17, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
- Just wanted to go down in the book as agreeing with IDC and wbwolf. The thing to remember here is that the other three random quote generators are used on the characters respective articles, while this one is not. And to repeat, to document all the quotable things that Strong Bad has said would require a very, very long page. I'm not sure if anyone would have the time or the resources to do such a documentation. --
- But as It's Dot Com and Wbwolf have stated BEFORE, this template does have a unique reason to not exist: Strong Bad has said hundreds of thousands of quotes, while the other characters have only said a few, and there isn't a single quote that sums up their character the best. Therefore, to avoid edit wars, it is randomized. Omnisweater 02:49, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
- But as I stated BEFORE, and will repeat again, if there is no reason for one to exist then there cannot be reasons for any of the others to either. The only one, MAYBE, would be Homsar. --I slayed the Kerrek. Really. 00:36, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
- I'm going to have to side with Dot Com on this one. There isn't much need for a Strong Bad quote, since there is far too many. (even if we limited it to QOTW, that's over 200 entries). However, Quote generators for Homsar, Cardgage and Whale are all fairly narrow. I would also warn I Slayed that a) the discussion page should be civil and b) once a page in the wiki is made, it belongs to the community, and thus it is for the community decide whether or not it should continue to exist and in what form. wbwolf (t | ed) 19:47, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
- Why, because I don't agree with you? -- I slayed the Kerrek. Really. 00:36, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
- On the contrary, I Slayed The Kerrek, you are wrong. Omnisweater 20:56, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
- Dotcom is wrong, and so are you. --I slayed the Kerrek. Really. 19:38, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
- I agree with everything It's Dot Com said. Delete. Omnisweater 16:47, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
I've read the arguments on this debate (on which I myself am neutral). It's clear to me that consensus is against this template. I acknowledge the dissenting arguments, but it seems clear to me that they have not convinced the overwhelming majority opposed to this template. As such, the result of this discussion appears to be a clear delete. Heimstern Läufer 
05:49, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
- Well, congratulations, guys, on making an obviously bad and wrong decision. --I slayed the Kerrek. Really. 18:37, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
