Editing Talk:Strong Bad is a Bad Guy

== The Field? ==
I know it's a little early on to be worrying about this, but I've gone ahead and labeled the place where SB, SM and The Cheat are as [[The Field]], although I'm doubting that it is. New page? Label it "A Field" without linking? Two cents? {{User:FireBird/sig}} 15:39, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
:Well, it looks like the field to me, just without bushes. The entire art style in this toon is a naturally a little off. I think it's the field, but I wouldn't care if you called it something different. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 15:48, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
::I'm for keeping it as [[The Field]].-{{User:Kookykman/sig}}

:'''Second'''-I also think that it should be kept as [[The Field]].[[User:Anonomys|Anonomys]] 23:43, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

::'''Also Second'''-It should remain so.[[User:20X6 GEM|20X6 GEM]]

== Easter Eggs? ==

Since we haven't gotten the direct Flash file yet, I can't use the seek bar to find Easter eggs. By the looks of it, I don't think there are any, but our good annonymous IP who crated the page apparently says there is ([{Strong Sad]] (Eater egg)). Any other way? {{User:FireBird/sig}} 15:56, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

:I fount the Flash file! Yay! http://www.homestarrunner.com/badguy.swf {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 16:01, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

::w00t. <s>By the looks of it, though, there are no Easter eggs.</s> Ah, we found one. {{User:FireBird/sig}} 16:07, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

:::Two, actually. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 17:24, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

== A Revelation for Homestar? ==


I'm not sure if this is important, but is this the first time that someone has mentioned to Homestar (or Homestar has admitted to himself) that he doesn't have arms?  I know Strong Bad has mentioned his armlessness before, but always when alone and not within earshot of Homestar himself.  I dunno if this counts as an important bit of data or not, but I just wanted to throw it out. [[User:Rocketlex|Rocketlex]] 16:21, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
:I think that this is an important fact too. I'm going to [[STUFF]] it.--{{User:Kookykman/sig}} 20:25, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
::In [[fingers]], it was implied that Homestar knows about his situation. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:58, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
:::Actually, the 'implied' part in fingers is part of Strongbad's imagination no? (as shown by the dream bubbles and such). So it'd be little more then Strongbad again saying to himself that Homestar is harmless. [[User:Ghilz|Ghilz]] 22:44, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

Actually, my outlook on Homestar's "arms" are that they are obviously invisible. He carries things all the time. In fact, sometimes it is questionable about the invisible arms since in The Show, he can hold the microphone, hold the cards, and shuffle them at the same time. But all these prove that he has invisible arms.--[[User:Martin925|Martin925]] 20:44, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
:It almost seems that he can telekinetically move anything within a set range, as characters walking by (or crowding aroud) him never seem to run into his arms.={{User:Kookykman/sig}}
::I agree, it'd also explain Old Timey Homestar has not only no arms, but no shoulder sockets for his invisible arms to be linked to. [[User:Ghilz|Ghilz]] 22:44, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
:::It could be that he is blissfully unaware of the fact that he has "no arms", much like he is unaware of the fact that his pants are invisible (or nonexistent.) [[User:24.138.54.79|24.138.54.79]] 01:51, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
::::I too have always thought telekinesis. Invisible arms is a tad elaborate, and telekinesis would explain how he is able to hold a microphone, hold the cards, and shuffle the cards all at the same time. It's not like Homestar has a really powerful mind and thus is able to use telekinesis, it's just his way of making up for having no arms. Though, alternately, I like the idea that because Homestar is so unaware of his lack of arms, he is able to pick things up without having arms, i.e., he "forgets" his lack of arms and acts like he can pick things up, and it works for some reason. ("How did you walk through that wall?" "I was able to because I forgot to use my laws of physics.") --[[User:Der Pepper|Der Pepper]]
:::::Well, one argument could be that Homestar is actually a super-genius, but is always using his brainpower to maintain telekinesis and is thus inable to function intelligably.
:I have always seen two (2) possable answers to this. one (1) is that he has (at least) four (4) invisable arms. two (2) is that he has limited telikenisis. I also think that this has always been implied.-[[User:Anonomys|Anonomys]] 23:49, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

I think telikenisis because of the whole holding more things than possible and, and I exclamate this not to hurt anyones fealings, his shirt clearly has no holes for any invisible arms to come out of!.--[[User:20X6 GEM|20X6 GEM]]

== Don't be a Hater ==

After listening twice, I think the lyrics actually say "Strong Bad ''paints'' Marzipan", as opposed to "hates". I distinctly hear an N sound in there. This would also match up well with [[origins]], a previous time when Strong Bad spray painted Marzipan. What say the rest of you? --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:I hear an "h" sound in the beginning. It's hard to tell, though. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 17:52, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

::Both make perfect since, so it's really just a matter of listening. On that note, I do hear an "h" sound, as well. {{User:FireBird/sig}} 17:55, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
:::I hear '''paint'''. We could make a footnote, like we did with [[Strong Bad is in Jail Cartoon]].-{{User:Kookykman/sig}}
::::Ugh, not another footnote. Let's get some more opinions here before even thinking about going down that road. I heard "hates," by the way. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:59, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

:As all the other lyrics match up exactly with the illustrations, "paints" seems more plausible.-{{User:Kookykman/sig}}
::I'm hearin' "hates" dude. [[User:20X6 GEM|20X6 GEM]]
::Hearing "hates" here too [[User:Ghilz|Ghilz]]
:::LOL&mdash;I heard "Strong Bad '''is''' Marzipan on my first listen! That had me kinda confused. &mdash;[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 23:15, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
::I heard it three times, it is very faint, but I am pretty sure I heard '''hates'''.  I am 100% sure that they did not say ''paint'', as the "p" sound was nowhere to be heard. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 01:24, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

'''Hates'''. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 10:02, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

I also hear "hates." {{User:Trey56/sig}} 13:16, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

"Hates". --[[User:Der Pepper|Der Pepper]]

Another vote for "hates." -- [[User:Mycroft.holmes|Mycroft Holmes]] 14:10, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

2 votes for "Paints", 11 for "Hates" including me. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 14:27, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

I heard hates (I wrote the transcript) ;) {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 15:41, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

'''Hates'''.  --[[User:B|B]] 18:14, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

Just to clarify, I also vote Hates for Town Council. &mdash;[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 18:17, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

I hear "hates" too.  Besides, that makes more sense considering that Strong Bad is spraying black paint over a picture of Marzipan, as in defacing it.  "Paints" just doesn't make any sense whatsoever to me.--[[User:Spanky The Dolphin|Spanky The Dolphin]] 23:32, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

:I vote "hates"-[[User:Anonomys|Anonomys]] 23:46, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

I say '''hates''' {{User:Dantheburgerking/sig}}
Will go with "hates" {{User:The Paper/sig}} 15:32, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

'''VERDICT:''' The "paints" proposal was overwhelmingly declined, 18–2. The votes and arguments have not been moved.

== Tricked Out Van ==

I figured that the van in the music video could reference the tricked out van Strong Bad mentioned in the [[Strong Bad is in Jail Cartoon]]. What do you think? -- [[User:TaranchulaVamp15|TaranchulaVamp15]] 12:17, 17 Oct 2005
:That certainly sounds plausible to me. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::I'd [[HRWiki:STUFF|STUFF]] it, though. I'm for it, but some may not approve.--{{User:Kookykman/sig}} 20:15, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
:::In fact, it's currently already there. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::::I just noticed that. Heh. I'm a genius.-{{User:Kookykman/sig}}
:what do you mean by "it's already there"?-[[User:Anonomys|Anonomys]] 23:50, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
==Song visuals==

Why is it, that with things such as [[Experimental Film]] and [[rock opera]], we split the music from the visuals, but here we put 'em all in the transcript? Is there some sort of standard at all? {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 17:26, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

:It's because those two have several '''minutes''' of nothing but visuals and lyrics. This one is pretty short so the visuals can be insite the transcript. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 17:29, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

::Yeah, we generally split them for large ones. There's no set standard, though. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 17:53, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

:::I'm not really sure I like it that way. I think we should do it one way or the other for consistency. {{User:FireBird/sig}} 17:55, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
::::Well, the visuals usually get in the way of simply reading the song, but they are important for a knowledge base that collects as much info as possible. I think it's fine the way it is, but if we had to choose one way or the other, I'd go with a seperate page for visuals. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 20:03, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

==Dooj?==

Anyone know what the rocket laucher "Dooj" is about?
:It could just be a sound effect.-{{User:Kookykman/sig}}
::I think "dooj" may be a variant (or the actual spelling of) the word "doosh" Strong Bad uses occasionally. (See [[Random Toon]] and [[TROGDOR!]]) --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:::Don't forget [[The System Is Down (song)]]! &mdash; {{User:Lapper/sig}} 20:39, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

== This Toon ==
Is this toon even on the site? Where? [[User:Cheatachu72|Cheatachu72]]
:It's a Short. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::Also, check the main page. Look under "back to our roots". If that doesn't work, do a hard refresh and try again. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]
:Back to Our Roots? [[User:Cheatachu72|Cheatachu72]]
::You're not in conversation. If you missed something, read the message again. {{User:Gafaddict/sig}} 10:57, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
::On the rotating "What's new!" button.-{{User:Kookykman/sig}}
:It's under "Shorts" on the Toons page. {{User:Camalex/sig}} 20:40, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
:either look under "shorts" for "strong bad is a bad guy" or the "what's new" button for "back to our roots". it comes up as a seperate window within the window when you open it (like the pupet stuff).-[[User:Anonomys|Anonomys]] 23:53, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

== Of Snake Ladies, Nagas, and Warcraft ==

Snake/Human hybrids are, of course, not constrained to Warcraft and date back to Indian and Asian mythology. In fact, the name Naga isn't even constrained to Warcraft and denotes a wide variety of snake like mythical creatures in southern Asia. I propose the dropping of that particular reference and letting the Cheat's snake lady just be a product of his imagination rather than yet another spurious reference.
:I agree. I've never even heard of Warcraft, but I ''have'' heard of nagas before. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

I agree, I have heard of Warcraft, but I also remember them in Final Fantasy games before Warcraft...Hmmm, FFII and III were SNES games as was Mario Paint...reference? Probably not.--[[User:Slackerboy|Slackerboy]] 22:38, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

:My guess is that they got the reference from all those video games you guys mentioned. It might be more of a referene to the genre in general. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 01:25, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

I think it speaks to the remarkably limited scope of knowledge possessed by the people who visit this site :) -[[User:Jesselangham|JesseLangham]] 18:25, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
:prehaps the brothers chaps thought it was just cool-lookin'-[[User:Anonomys|Anonomys]] 23:54, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

==Bad Guy!==
Considering this is a toon described "Going back to our roots", Isn't the entire basis of the toon is a reference to how StrongBad was more of a villian earlier on in the series? Maybe? [[User:20X6 GEM|20X6 GEM]]
P.S.
Isn't StrongBad bouncing on his Head a reference to the SBEmail [[funny]]? [[User:20X6 GEM|20X6 GEM]]

:Yeah&mdash;reasserting his identity now that he's become the vulnerable, personable, lovable scamp who charmed his way into the hearts of a nation. No, seriously, you're right. (Not that it should go in the article, but good observation.) &mdash;[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 23:20, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

:I thought about that, but he really doesn't act like a villain. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 23:18, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
:I totally agree with that, 20X6 GEM. I was about to leave a similar note here. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 02:27, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
:Possible, but I'm thinking it is props to the [[Super NES|first Homestar Runner cartoon ever made]], which was done in Mario Paint, as has already been referencecd.  Even though Strong Bad's vilinitude is not what it used to be, he's still the antagonist, and this short doesn't have the feel of, say, [[Marshmallow's Last Stand|Marshmallow's Last Stand (toon)]].  --[[User:B|B]] 18:21, 18 October 2005 (UTC)


:Reference, no. Interesting, though! &mdash;[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 23:20, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

I think it was very interesting. Does anyone else think so? --{{User:The 386/sig}} 01:02, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

I seriously think the bouncing on his head was a reference to when he did it in "Funny"! "Liko Liko Liko!!!" [[User:20X6 GEM|20X6 GEM]]
:it sadens me to see how off-topic people can get in a message bored-type thing that allows you to edit.-[[User:Anonomys|Anonomys]] 23:56, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
::Sorry bout' dat. Also the P.S. was part of my original message and somehow was moved after that. But seriuosly. I think it's pretty a strait forward thing(The bouncing on his head that is). [[User:20X6 GEM|20X6 GEM]]

== Pic's ==

Could someone please give me pics of SB talking as in when he says "A glowy box? Are you sure that's what you'd get for your tattoo?" and when SM is talking, please? [http://fanstuff.hrwiki.org/index.php/User:Count_X |Apocalpyx Zeta]

:Erm. Read the transcript? {{User:Gafaddict/sig}} 10:59, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

:by "pics" do you meen pictures?-[[User:Anonomys|Anonomys]] 23:57, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

: Yes indeed. [http://fanstuff.hrwiki.org/index.php/User:Count_X |Apocalpyx Zeta]

== Richey Edwards reference? ==

"The For Real Deal"-tattoo may be a reference to [[Wikipedia:Richey James Edwards|Richey Edwards]], and the infamous interview he did with [[Wikipedia:NME|NME]] journalist [[Wikipedia:Steve Lamacq|Steve Lamacq]]. Lamacq asked Edwards if he and his band [[Wikipedia:Manic Street Preachers|Manic Street Preachers]] were serious about their music. Edwards tried to convince Lamacq by carving "4-real" into his forearm.
:I agree...it's a pretty unmistakable reference, in my opinion.  I'm going to [[Template:STUFF/Strong_Bad_is_a_Bad_Guy|put it on the STUFF page]]. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 12:59, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

:More about the incident [http://microsites.nme.com/rock100/site/8.html here]. [[User:Lazmo|Lazmo]] 15:38, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

== Sing us a Song ==

Anyone have an idea where the song comes from?  It sounds incredibly familiar, but I can't place it.  --[[User:B|B]] 18:24, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
:Also, I want to know if the intro music is related to the Trogdor game&mdash;specifically those little upward-swooping beepy notes (I know, you'd expect a better description from a musician)? &mdash;[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 18:48, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

== Pipe or Bat ==

In the transcript, it says Strong Bad hits the muffler with a bat (it ''is'' brown).  Later, in the Inside references, it is called a pipe (which ''has'' been used before.  Which is it?  My vote is pipe, given the inside reference.  Others?  --[[User:B|B]] 18:29, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
:It's so pixellated it's hard to tell, even zoomed in, but:
#although I can't say for sure it's perfectly cylindrical (i.e. not tapered like a bat), I think it would be even harder to say that it's tapered;
#if it is a bat, it has some kind of dealie at the end, like lines painted on it. I think those are supposed to be pipe threads.
#Strong Bad's holding it right in the middle (although that isn't very efficient no matter what it is). &mdash;[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 18:45, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
::I'd say it's a pipe for three reasons: A. a pipe/muffler combo has been used before, 2. a bat would be hard to dent a muffler with, and D. the reasons AbdiViklas already said. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:::I put bat in the transcript because it was brown and I didn't look at it that closely. A pipe seems reasonable too though. {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 19:31, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

Good enough for me.  I'd change it, but I'll leave that to Homestar Coder out of respect for the work.  Please understand this, this was just a clarification, not a [[Stinkoman|challenge]]!  --[[User:B|B]] 04:30, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

:This is a wiki, so feel free to correct or change anyone's work here. My first version of the transcript had several other errors which people caught (like Strong Mad saying IT'S PERSONAL; I thought he said IT'S POSSIBLE.) {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 05:26, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

==soap==
when sb mentions soap, it's a reference to dove brand soap.-stretchyman

Um...Why do you think it's Dove? I think you're stretching it, stretchyman (ooo...bad joke). Can you find any evidence that it's Dove? [[User:Brightstar Shiner|Brightstar Shiner]] 20:27, 18 October 2005 (UTC)


dove is the only type of soap that strong bad knows about.-stretchyman

How do you know?- [[User:Jhonka|Jhonka]]

one of sb's e-mail titles start with "d" for dove! that proves it!-stretchyman

Please leave the comedy to [[The Brothers Chaps]]. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 05:37, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

what do you mean? i'm serious!-stretchyman

I don't know about you guys, but I think stretchyman needs more legit proof. Why don't you email TBC about this and see what they think? [[User:Brightstar Shiner|Brightstar Shiner]] 20:22, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

man, do you know how many freakin' e-mails that they getta a day? there not gonna answer an e-mail about soap! come on!
-[[User:Timmy!]]

:You forgot to sign as stretchyman this time Timmy!... {{User:Some HSR themed username/sig}} 21:28, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

I'm not getten this. [[User:20X6 GEM|20X6 GEM]]

no username i'm simply commenting this conversation. i dont no who stretchyymann is-[[User:Timmy!]]

:Well, "Timmy!" or whatever your name is, then how do you explain the fact that both of you have the same IP? [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Talk:Strong_Bad_is_a_Bad_Guy&diff=prev&oldid=177625]; [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Talk%3AStrong_Bad_is_a_Bad_Guy&diff=178678&oldid=178677] {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 14:37, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

Geez! Don't get in a fight over here! And the "emailing TBC" thing was just a suggestion. You don't have to get mad at me. [[User:Brightstar Shiner|Brightstar Shiner]]

:By the way, guys, "[[User:Timmy!|Timmy!]]" isn't logged in, and hasn't since September. I was under the impression he had been blocked, although I don't see him on the block log. The anon. IP who you're conversing with has been editting Timmy's userspace and signing posts with his name throughout Oct., so it's reasonable to assume it's actually an un-logged-in Timmy, but we have no proof he's not an impersonating troll. Doesn't really merit replies. &mdash;[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 18:14, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

== Uncle Sam ==

Is there any reason why the Real-World reference for Uncle Sam has been removed? It seems legitamate. I don't think a wikipedia link in the Inside references works. [[User:Alcnolien|Alcnolien]] 23:54, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

Oh, crud. Why did the ''real'' Uncle Sam get removed? It worries me. --{{User:The 386/sig}} 00:16, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

:It feels too obvious, even outside the States. --[[User:Sam Goldfish|Sam Goldfish]] 00:18, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

::No it's not. (I'm talking as someone who is out of The States) {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 00:20, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

I stuffed it. Decide it there. [[User:Alcnolien|Alcnolien]] 00:27, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

== Not Made With MarioPaint ==

I have to say, that I've always thought the work by the Brothers Chaps seems to consistently allude to the idea that one must not take things at their surface value.  The Cheat and Strong Bad are always pulling scams, and they're educational to those who pull the wool over the eyes of their victims.  You watch something like "Dangeresque" and it's as if you're being given a handbook to the Man Behind the Curtain.

If you ask me, the concept that they would bother to do something like this in MarioPaint instead of using more modern technology to simulate the effect...c'mon.  This was not made with MarioPaint.  At some point, one has to recognize that these guys are using fairly sophisticated technology, and their claims about how hard it is to animate Strong Bad's head from left to right as he reads the text (as if that were the "hard part") are jokes in-and-of themselves.  Wake up, people.  That's the point.  These guys aren't gods, they're just very witty.

:Nope annony.  it is simple to make a movie with Mario Paint.  I have made a few myself.  You simply need to have patience.  Tons and tons of paitiance.  It is simple to transfer scenes onto a computer with MP.  The only thing they did that didn't involve MP is the vocals. {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 02:02, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

::There are some giveaways. For example, the mouth movements aren't matched to the words... they're just set on a loop. Definitely MP. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 02:20, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

Exactly. That kinda set it in stone. So there's some proof it was made with Mario Paint. Trust me. I've made movies using that. And what the crap are you even talking about anyways? Of course they're not "Gods". I mean, c'mon, A. Contributor! I mean, maybe they just felt like doin' somthing different. A slide on the wild side. [[User:20X6 GEM|20X6 GEM]]
P.S. And pardon for copying that joke, sort of. Done and Done. *[[The Paper]] Noise.* [[User:20X6 GEM|20X6 GEM]]
: Well, not THAT different. H*R was a Mario Paint cartoon before it was Flash. :p --{{User:Jay/sig}} 07:48, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
:Seriously, even though it isn't as hard to work with flash as people say it is, it is still difficult nonetheless. Although TBC naturally deserves no divine status, the fact remains that they are skilled in what they do. They use only about 3 loop animations in their average flashes, and many things they do are impossible to accomplish using tweening. Their flashes are astoundingly long and well-quality for one-week projects, as it takes the average flash artist on the internet about two years to make a decent ten-minute flash. Give TBC a break!