Editing HRWiki talk:WikiTroll

== Rollback link? ==
Okay, on the WikiTroll page it has instructions for reverting a page back to a previous version.  In it, it says:

Next, click the "rollback" link near the upper right side of the page (directly to the right of the most recent author's name).

However it doesn't have a rollback link by the most recent author's name...  do these instructions need to be revised?

--[[User:Kilroy|Kilroy]] 19:05, 28 Sep 2004 (MST)

:Yes, of course.  I have changed the text to refect this.  --  [[User:Tom|Tom]] 10:26, 29 Sep 2004 (MST)

In these instructions, I noticed that the two sections are sysop and non-sysop. What is sysop, and how do I get it? Its really annoying reverting edits the non-sysop way.

:First off, please sign your posts, [[User:-erson|-erson]]. Second off, a sysop is just an [[HRWiki:Administrators|Admin]], which is a user with different rights (blocking an IP, for example). To become an admin, another one must appoint it to you. &rarr;''<small><tt>[[User:FireBird|<font color=green>FireBird</font>]]</tt></small>''

Semi off topic, but semi on.
It's a '''very''' nice diversion from studying for your psychology exam that you're going to fail anyway to go through the trolled pages and check out all the...well...trolling ^_^ --[[User:Southpaw018|Southpaw018]] 20:47, 3 Nov 2004 (MST)

== Trolling or not? ==

I notice many IP's are starting to troll, then deleting the trolling afterwards. Is this still considered trolling? -- <small>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</small>|<sub>[[User Talk:FireBird|Talk]]</sub>

:It depends really.  If it is something like they are adding "adsfafsd" to a page and then removing it, I'd think that's more a new person testing on a page instead of the sandbox.  If it's something that's defacement, then it's still defacement.  Do you have a specific example in mind?[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]]  --  [[User:Tom|Tom]] 02:26, 13 Nov 2004 (MST)

::A new user ([[User:daunrealist|daunrealist]]) posted "I am dumb" and "I  spelled grammar and Mozillaa wrong" on my talk page, but then deleted it. I told him to stop, but he just said he was "commenting". --<small>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</small>|<sub>[[User Talk:FireBird|Talk]]</sub>

::Sorry, it was a while ago and I was just testing.  Sorry if you were the victim, Fire.  --[[User:Daunrealist|daunrealist]] 19:02, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

== Namespace ==
Shouldn't this be in the HRWiki namespace instead of the main one?  --[[User:Kilroy|[[User:Kilroy|Kilroy]]/<small><sub>[[User talk:Kilroy|talk]]</sub></small>]] 17:18, 22 Nov 2004 (MST)

:Probably.  I was wondering how long it would take for someone to notice.  I'll move it now.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]]  --  [[User:Tom|Tom]] 18:37, 22 Nov 2004 (MST)

== New Format ==

Although I agree that the new format looks nicer, I have two concerns:
* By archiving the offense, we're adding to the exposure of spam.  If people are really curious about the offense, they could find it in the old format with a few mouse clicks.
* It's more difficult for people to contribute to the spam page.  Before, it was rather straightforward; now people have to figure out formatting for the chart when they add a submission. Perhaps we could devise a system in which people can add a simple comment and another person reformat it later; this adds an extra step, but is more convenient for those less familiar with Wikipedia who still wish to defend the sanctity of the Wiki. =) --[[user:FortyTwo|FortyTwo]]

::I actually agree with you about the degree of difficulty.  It is a big increase.  I was actually thinking of saying something in the instructions about, "Yeah, and if you can't figure that table out, just do your best down at the bottom of the page and someone will fix it for you."  As to the archive of the old stuff, MediaWiki keeps every edit for every page anyway.  We might need to develop some kind of subpage archive, which I would want to make kind of fancy or something, but I was going to wait until the end of the month.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]]  --  [[User:Tom|Tom]] 21:38, 14 Dec 2004 (MST)

::P.S.: I added the note.  I'd also like to add that this format is just to make my job a little easier.  All those links are the pages I check before I block someone.  It's totally selfish on my part...[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]]  --  [[User:Tom|Tom]] 21:45, 14 Dec 2004 (MST)

:::I saw the note and I understand your reasons for wanting easy access to the offense.  Thanks for your quick response! -- [[user:FortyTwo|FortyTwo]]

::::It seems kind of cluttered now (and a whole lot more confusing). But whatever is easier for the admins. It's not like it matters. &rarr;''<small><tt>[[User:FireBird|<font color=green>FireBird</font>]]</tt></small>''

== 64.246.132.* ==

I actually didn't block 64.246.132.116, and I won't block 64.246.132.182 for its last edit because of the nature of their IP addresses.  These edits really aren't that bad, and from what I noticed the software did in the time after I blocked "spacemonkey", it seems to be that is who to blame.  The software blocks anonymous editors that have the same IP as a blocked user, and I know a bunch were auto blocked while he/she was blocked.  The only way to deal with these dynamic IP people is with quick reverts to discourage them.  If it gets bad, I don't mind a short temp block, but I don't like blocking legitimate users that might get caught in the same range.  Anyway, it just seems that this person thinks they are funny or something, and I imagine they might know Renegade Master in real life.  Bah.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]]  --  [[User:Tom|Tom]] 12:50, 1 Jan 2005 (MST)
:Yes, why is he so determined to troll?! [[User:woddfellow2|<nowiki></nowiki>]]-<tt>[[User:woddfellow2|<font color=teal>woddfellow2</font>]]|[[User talk:woddfellow2|<font color=teal>✎</font></tt>]] 22:12, 10 Jan 2005 (MST)

== Archive? ==

The troll list is getting fairly long; can we archive some of the older entries to make it shorter to edit?  If someone is a repeat offender, a glance at their "contributions" should reveal that. --[[User:FortyTwo|FortyTwo]] 22:43, 11 Jan 2005 (MST)

:Okay, good idea.  How much should I leave here though?  One month?  Two?[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]]  --  [[User:Tom|Tom]] 15:39, 12 Jan 2005 (MST)

::We could probably group them by month, then have just the current and previous month's troll list posted (so, now we would have December and January).  Even just dividing by month would help the page, since then people could edit just one section instead of the whole page.  It would also make it clearer to first-time reporters where they should place their edits.  Thanks! -- [[User:FortyTwo|FortyTwo]] 19:51, 12 Jan 2005 (MST)

:::I think you have the right idea with knowing previous offenders by their contributions listing.  I suppose if we created an archive page, I could just put all but the most recent few months there.  I don't know what you mean by adding  to different months though, since each new entry is placed at the bottom of the list regardless of if they've defaced before.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]]  --  [[User:Tom|Tom]] 23:48, 12 Jan 2005 (MST)

:Yes, that list is getting too fragging long. It takes too long to load. How are we going to archive the older entries? [[User:woddfellow2|<nowiki></nowiki>]]-<tt>[[User:woddfellow2|<font color=teal>woddfellow2</font>]]|[[User talk:woddfellow2|<font color=teal>✎</font></tt>]] 13:35, 14 Jan 2005 (MST)

::Oh, almost forgot about this.  [[HRWiki:WikiTroll Archive]] works for me.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]]  --  [[User:Tom|Tom]] 19:51, 14 Jan 2005 (MST)

== pertmywert ==

I would like something done with [[User talk:pertmywert|pertmywert]]. It's driving me nuts.
It seems as though he thinks that his userspace is his own website. If you try to talk to him through his talk page he will get mad and erase your comment, as well as your userspace. He also insults people with crap (see "[[User talk:pertmywert#People I Hate|here]]). He just doesn't get it, and I see no way to contact him. &rarr;[[User:FireBird|''<small><tt>[[User:FireBird|<font color=green>FireBird</font>]]</tt></small>'']]

Hey sorry firebird 

post something on my page to tell me what i am doing wrong please
;[[User:Pertmywert|''<small><tt>[[User:pertmywert|<font color=green>pertmywert</font>]]</tt></small>'']]

== New Spammer thing I noticed ==

We now have a type of spammer that claims to be unspamming in the summary of change box.  Example: [[Special:Contributions/209.88.103.215|209.88.103.215]].  Just wanted to let people know, as it confused me for a moment.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]]  --  [[User:Tom|Tom]] 13:31, 23 Mar 2005 (MST)

== Testing Outside of [[HRWiki:Sandbox|Sandbox]] = Trolling? ==

I am trying to decide whether or not to ad 217.87.196.142 to the troll blotter. He/she seems to be testing, so it would probably be mean to add his/her IP address to the troll blotter. What should I do? [[User:woddfellow2|<nowiki></nowiki>]]&mdash;<tt>[[User:woddfellow2|<font color=teal>woddfellow2</font>]]|[[User talk:woddfellow2|<font color=teal>✎</font></tt>]] 11:31, 30 Mar 2005 (MST)

:My advice for the moment is to do nothing; I think the maxim "[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Please do not bite the newcomers|Please do not bite the newcomers]]" applies here. As of this writing, the IP in question only has [[Special:Contributions/217.87.196.142|two contributions]], which are hardly anything to get worked up about. If the user does it again, then I suggest a gentle note on his or her [[User_talk:217.87.196.142|talk page]] explaining that these actions are inappropriate. Only after that would I believe that a formal sanction was warranted. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 12:30, 30 Mar 2005 (MST)

::The use of the [[Template:test|test template]] might also be good as well.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]]  --  [[User:Tom|Tom]] 19:14, 2 Apr 2005 (MST)

== Block IP Blocks ==

Is it possible to delete a block of IP addresses? 69.50.1* has been spamming over and over and over and over and over and OVER again, (his favorite targets are [[Peasant's Quest]] (don't ask me why!), [[HRWiki:FAQ]], [[Talk:FAQ]], and [[HRWiki talk:FAQ]]) but his IP address shifts ever so slightly each time. He doesn't seem to realize that the Wiki now automatically adds a nofollow tag to links. It's really annoying. The alternative would be to block each and every IP address he could theoretically post through, but that's likely in the neighborhood of several thousand (give me a while and I could give you the exact number) and it's possible you might accidently block a legit user. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 07:41, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
: The smallest third frame I've seen him use is 166, and the largest is 187. My math gives that the smallest and largest he's probably capable of are 160 and 191. That gives him 8,190 possible different IP addresses! Ow! So if block-blocking isn't possible, he's going to be around for a while... ugh. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 07:45, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
:: He's still around and still spamming. Isn't there ANYTHING you can do? --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 06:13, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)
::: If anyone cares (which doesn't seem to be the case), I've officially seen him use a 191 third frame. I doubt he can go higher, based on what I know about IPs. --[[User:Jay|me again]]

== I just can't resist ==

[[Special:Contributions/168.212.111.228|168.212.111.228s]] gone yay <br>
(Check the link to see what I'm talking about...) --[[User:Jay|<span style = "color: #9090FF">''Jay''</span>]] [[User talk:Jay|<span style = "color: #006030"><small>(Talk)</small></span>]] 15:38, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I clicked, but... [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 15:44, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)
: He's the guy who keeps adding "schuylers gone yay" to pages. He did it to [[Email]], to [[Toons]] and to his own now-deleted illegitimate User page. He's also been responsible for other sorts of trolling (he's the guy you just reverted and I blocked for a little while.) --[[User:Jay|<span style = "color: #9090FF">''Jay''</span>]] [[User talk:Jay|<span style = "color: #006030"><small>(Talk)</small></span>]] 15:47, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Okay, I just didn't get the "schuylers gone yay" reference. [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 15:50, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

== How do I? ==

Let's say I found someone trolling, you know defacing pages, breaking links and all that sort of stuff. How'd I report it? Do I just post something here saying (insert ip adress here) is trolling?

== TROLL ==

85.100.29.233  is trolling and has trolled on [[User:pertmywert|pertmywert]] s user page and on the hrwiki help page with adult porn sites.

PLEASE BLOCK HIM

:Done.  {{User:Kilroy/sig}} 12:28, 27 May 2005 (UTC)

== When to Add Trolls ==

I was wondering when I should and when I shouldn't add trolls to this page, because I usually wonder if what I am doing is unnecessary when .... I add a troll ''after'' it gets temporarily blocked, to serve as a sort of "log," just in case it comes back for a repeat. But then I wonder, do most sysops look at the user contributions and block log instead of the troll page to see if it is a repeat offender?

Is this page's purpose to be more of an attention-caller to sysops after a troll has done its work, and hasn't been blocked because there were no sysops logged in? Is that really the only time I should add a troll to this page? Or ''does'' this serve as a detailed log?  If so, then why don't more people add bad trolls after they are blocked? --[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 23:52, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)


Well, I usually check the user contributions before I block, to see if the user is a repeat offender. It's most important to put them on the WikiTroll page when the troll needs to be blocked but there are no sysops there. Other times, it's not necessary, I don't think. <small><tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|<span style="color:#8B0000;">Aurora the Homestar Coder</span>]]</tt></small> 23:54, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

==207.69.0.0/16==
Over and over, this moron keeps returning. He's got a dynamic IP, so in order to properly thwart him, we have to block the whole range. But by doing so, there's a chance that totally legit users will get blocked as well. Is there any way to report this guy to his ISP? (It's Earthlink in, of all places, Atlanta, GA.) --{{User:Jay/sig}} 07:01, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
: To answer my own question, I tracked down their abuse line and sent an e-mail to it. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 07:10, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
:: Yay for automated systems. After mentioning where I was coming from, the nature of the attacker, the IP address he was last seen using, the approximate time he used it, my time zone, and the date... it came back with an automated response, saying I didn't include enough information and needed to include AT LEAST an IP address, a time, a time zone and a date. >_< Strangely enough, responding to that with (in summary) "Uh... I did" got an automated response that said "Okay, we got it!" --{{User:Jay/sig}} 07:18, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
::: When posting on this talk page, please begin your post with several colons, which will indent your reply. Follow that with AT LEAST some content that relates to the lines that precede your message. Last, add your signature and the date and time. Thank you. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|Automated Response]] 07:25, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
:::: Ell. Oh. Ell. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 07:28, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
::::: Okay, we got it!  &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|Automated Response]]

== THE TROLL IS TROLLING FROM INSIDE THE HOUSE!!! ==

OMG!!!! Somehow [[User:Fricky Dee|Fricky Dee]] trolled on MY IP address!!!! How can that be????? -Kinsey

Woah.  Go ask a sysop or admin for help.  {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}}

If you have a dynamic ip address then it's possible that at one time the troller had the same ip address as you at some point in time. Also, some ISPs use the same IP address for more then one customer (rare, however). That's my 13 cents. Can be many other things though. -[[User:Mick|Mick]]

== troll template ==

I made a simple template to make adding a troll just a little easier. <s>It is in the following format: '''<code><nowiki>{{</nowiki>troll|evildoer}}</code>'''. It's a lot like the STUFF templates, in that you add the template where it should go, preview it, and then copy and paste the resulting code over the template. '''Note:''' the code for a new row (<code>|-</code>) is ''not'' part of the template, so you'll need to add that manually. I tried it both ways and it was easier the way it is now. '''Also note:''' the HTML comments are ''next to'' the brackets where the links go, not in them, because it was easier to replace the text that way.</s> (I don't like the way the selection insists on expanding when I'm highlighting something.) &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:14, 27 Jul 2005 (UTC)

:Hmm, I'm playing with the variables a little here, but why go through the whole thing of doing a copy and paste?  Why not just have <s><tt><nowiki>{{subst:troll|It's dot com|page|http://diffgoeshere|description}}</nowiki></tt></s> output exactly what we need:
:|-
|| {{CURRENTMONTH}}/{{CURRENTDAY}}/{{CURRENTYEAR}} || [[User:It's not com|It's ''not'' com]] ([[Special:Contributions/It's not com|all edits]]) || page || http://diffgoeshere
:Works for me.</s>  And I don't think it would be too hard to explain, at the very least it's easier than doing the copy and paste thing.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]]  --  [[User:Tom|Tom]] 20:35, 27 Jul 2005 (UTC)

::Ah ha, now you want to put the table formatting in there too?  I'll let you figure that out.  Let me know here when you're done.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]]  --  [[User:Tom|Tom]] 20:36, 27 Jul 2005 (UTC)

<s>The template has been modified. The format is now: '''<code><nowiki>{{ subst:</nowiki> [[Template:troll|troll]] | evildoer |  | description }}</code>'''</s> &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:43, 27 Jul 2005 (UTC)

:::What a tick. I don't think CURRENTMONTH et al. work like we think they do with templates. Do you see what I'm saying?[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 20:40, 27 Jul 2005 (UTC)

::::Yeah, if you posted a troll today with this template, the date would keep updating itself every day.  And [[MetaWikipedia:Help:Template#subst|the user guide]] says using "subst" for each of those magic words would just show the date the template was created.  It looks like we are going to have to have the user input the date themselves.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]]  --  [[User:Tom|Tom]] 20:46, 27 Jul 2005 (UTC)

:::::Hmm. Well stink. They need to fix that. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:03, 27 Jul 2005 (UTC)

<s>The template has been modified ''again''. The ''new'' format is now: <br />'''<code><nowiki>{{ subst:</nowiki> [[Template:troll|troll]] | mm/dd/yy | evildoer }} <nowiki>[[pagename]][actual edit]</nowiki> || description</code>'''<br />Note where the template closes. This is necessary because of the equal signs (=) in the actual edit link.</s> &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:07, 27 Jul 2005 (UTC)

I thought of a much better use for the [[Template:troll|troll template]]. The old template was primarily to help with entering the user details. I have changed it to eliminate some make it even easier. Simply type <nowiki>{{troll|evildoer}}</nowiki> where the user data goes. (You now need to build all of the table manually, but the old version of the template wasn't really helping much with that anyway.) The new template has some important links. First, '''"contribs"''' shows all contributions, as has been our custom to do. Next, '''"log"''' searches the block log to tell whether a user has already been blocked for the current vandalism and whether he or she has been blocked in the past (this link is intended for sysops, but anyone can use it). Finally, '''"block"''' is a quick link for sysops to block the troll if warranted (this link will only work for sysops). Happy hunting! &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 07:55, 4 Oct 2005 (UTC)

== What's with these people? ==

I've been looking at the troll edits. You'd expect if they were going to do something that would get themselves in trouble, they would do so constructively. I mean, you'd expect they'd put in something humorous or some misconception or something like that. But all they do is insert explicit crap for no good reason. And the threats against the admins? what's with that? 
They type like they're illiterate, they have no sense of humor or comprehension of other people...
What do they think this site is, or that people use this for?
Who are these stupid people?

''They type like they're illiterate, they have no sense of humor or comprehension of other people''; I think that pretty well explains the vast majority of them. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 19:26, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)

==Archive==
This page needs to be archived soon.  {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 01:13, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Uh, this page is over forty kilos long. {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 19:37, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)
==Thechamp==

How dare you blame me for being a troll! I threaten to scare the trolls away, To stop them!  I only have the sites good order in mind.  I sware it!  I mean only harm to the vile trolls!  I will not appologize for my actions, I did what I did for the good of the site, That is my argument! --[[User:Thechamp|Thechamp]] 19:11, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)
: We don't need to ''scare'' them away; they can be blocked by sysops. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 19:27, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)

::Yes, but any administrator will admit to you that They can only be blocked for a minamal amount of time, I say we need a more permenant blocking system!  If we can get funding by people that come here, We may be able to get programming axcessable only to the admins, that can perminantly block the site from users that illeaglely use it!  There is always a bigger gun! --[[User:Thechamp|Thechamp]] 19:31, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)

::: I ''am'' a sysop and ''have'', multiple times, blocked IP addresses or user names permanently. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 19:33, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)

::::How?

::::: You can set the "Length of block" to "indefinite" or "infinite". See [[Special:Ipblocklist]]. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 19:37, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)

::::::But the admin I spoke with told me that the blockings were only finite?  So they realy aren't? -[[User:Thechamp|Thechamp]] 19:41, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)

::::::: You can set them to finite or infinite. The latter is only reserved for extreme cases. Which sysop did you talk to? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 19:44, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)

I think it was the first one on the special page list. _[[User:Thechamp|Thechamp]] 19:46, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Can someone maybe take me off the list? --[[User:Thechamp|Thechamp]] 20:06, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== crossed out ==

Why are a lot of the topics in this page crossed out or is it just me?--{{User:bkmlb/sig}} 19:39, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)
:me to.  I think no one finished the <nowiki> <s> </nowiki> tags. {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 19:40, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)
::These sections were crossed out for a reason. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:05, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)
:::Uh... why are all these sections crossed out? You never excactly gave an answer when talking to bkmlb. {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 05:01, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

== Is this like wikipedia ==

If so can't you prevent trolls by locking pages like they do at wikipedia

:Of course we can, but we choose not to lock most pages other than the Main Page. &mdash;[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 16:41, 27 Aug 2005 (UTC)

==David Brown spammer==
Just a note to the admins - the spammer "David Brown" used the IP addresses 82.67.192.173, 24.19.127.190 and 24.60.90.194 and 69.237.70.164, but both of the 24 IPs aren't blocked. I don't know what it takes to get a permanent block, but this *ahem* gentleman blanked at least four pages with his worthless spam on all of those addresses, if it is indeed the same guy. {{User:Thesmokingmonkey/sig}} 18:09, 27 Aug 2005 (UTC)
:He struck again.  I hate this spammer. {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 16:02, 29 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== Tired ==
Hey, guys, I'm really getting tired of being blocked from editing just because a troll has a similar IP address to mine. I DON'T troll, never have, never would, and I'm really getting sick of being blocked just because of one idiot. This is the fourth time this has happened. Please fix it. --[[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 13:17, 19 Sep 2005 (UTC)

== What do we do about this? ==

Or rather: [[User:Lizabet|this]]? Yeah, it's a user page, but the user's only edit was to spam her (guessing from the name) user page. That was way back in May. I see no point in blocking a user who's clearly not going to deface the wiki,(note the future tense) and hasn't done so in 6 months, but also has done nothing but spam. Delete the page and user? Block and blank the page? I can't believe it took 6 months for this to be found. {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 08:47, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
: I deleted the page (sysops can see what used to be on it if you care) but I don't know if there's any point to blocking a (l)User who doesn't seem to actually exist. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 08:49, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
Thanks {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 08:52, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

== Wiki Tiki What? ==

Can somebody tell me what the Wiki Tiki Tavi troll section is? I'm totally confused here.--{{User: Ampi/sig2}} 06:01, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
:That's a particular spammer, which has been grouped into its own table for ease of reading. Click on the edits and you'll see a pattern. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 07:00, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
::I must say this about the name given to this troll...it's probably the only time you'll see a loose Kipling reference on the HR Wiki. --[[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 17:32, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
:::Actually, it's his own reference to the wiki software we used on the old wiki but, yeah, I guess it is a Kipling reference. I never noticed that before! {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 17:56, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
::::Yeah; I found it amusing. Props to whoever named the software. Up next: The Jungle Powerbook&trade;, The LAN Who Would Be King, How The Webmaster Got His IP, Sysops Courageous, and KIM ([http://www.google.com/search?q=%22knowledge-based+information+management%22&sourceid=mozilla-search&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official Knowledge-based Information Management]). &mdash;[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 18:47, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

Kipling?!?! What the... oh wait, never mind. I just rembered Rudyard Kipling's Rikki Tiki Tavi. Ok... {{User:Darklinkskywalker/DLSsignature}} 01:20, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
:Yep. Has anybody seen the cartoon of it? That was cute. &mdash;[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 02:04, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
::It was definitely cute.  I think I prefer ''The White Seal'', personally.  (Also done when Jones went solo.) {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 18:31, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

== Notifying Sysops vs. Keeping a record? ==

Even though NSMC1 had already been blocked in the middle of his vandalism, I went ahead and added him to the Offenders list, along with the offenses.  That entry was immediately removed with the message "Sorry, but this is only to alert sysops".  So, my question is: Why are we keeping a record of other offenders on this page, if this page is only meant as a way to notify sysops? {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 19:15, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
:[[User_talk:It%27s_dot_com#WikiTroll|That's a good question.]] I have something in mind for this guy, though (who is hopefully just a copycat with a poor sense of humor). &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:20, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
::Note also that it's especially unnecessary in the case of NSMC or WoW or any other serial vandals we may have because the sysops will automatically know to give these usernames infinite blocks. For these guys, we only need to list them if there are no sysops around and we need to inform them of new usernames to block. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 19:24, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
:::But thanks for asking that question, Kiefer; I actually was wanting to yesterday and refrained. So the purpose of WikiTroll is ''not'' to be a comprehensive documentation of vandalism, but simply a way to "tattle" when nobody who's on can themselves block? &mdash;[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 20:30, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
::::Er, yes and no. It's gotta be somewhere in between those two extremes, otherwise we'd either list everybody or delete each entry as soon as the user was blocked. I've noticed that if people were in the middle of listing offenses when the vandal is blocked, they tend to go ahead and make the record as complete as possible. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:35, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
:::::It looks to me like we're more on the side of archiving all the vandalisms, which I think is fine, personally - it gives us a record to refer to, especially for repeat offenders, and it also tells would-be vandals that we do pay attention to this stuff. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 20:43, 4 January 2006 (UTC)



== What actually does constitute a troll? ==

I noticed that under Ciberdude444's trolling list, he is listed for insulting Salty. Yet, I reported someone as a troll for insulting ME, on my user page, and it was reverted. What is the deal? -[[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 20:12, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
:One incident is usually not enough to label somebody a troll unless they've done something especially heinous and/or they've made it clear they plan to continue. For somebody to be labeled a troll they have to have a clear ''history'' of of trolling and/or vandalism. {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} @ 21:17, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
::Understandable, but this person did have a history of trolling. This person also went out of their way to post said message on page. -[[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 21:21, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
:::The difference is that 67.21.159.13 (whom you listed) posted a message on your talk page, whereas Ciberdude444 was vandalizing articles and user pages. In addition, [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:ISlayedTheKerrek&diff=prev&oldid=173064 this edit], while unsigned and very poor in mechanics, is just a question in a place that questions are allowed to be posted. He didn't even type an actual swear (at least, not with that edit). Hope that helps. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:31, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
::::It does, but at the same time, it doesn't. I know user talk pages are open to editing by anyone at anytime. I know that in most cases, it isn't considered trolling (see the references to [[User:pertmywert|pertmywert]]). However, in this case, I believe said person went out of their way to cause trouble (otherwise he/she/it wouldn't have brought up an incident that happened over A YEAR PRIOR), and in this case deserved to be reported as a troll. But whatever. You guys, I'm sure, have better things to do than worry about this. My point is still this: if it looks like a troll, smells like a troll, and acts like a troll, it's a troll. (P.S.- saw the "least favorite admin" deal on Dot com's talk page...furthering my point, guys.) --[[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 04:47, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
:::::Well, everyone's entitled to an opinion. And I'm not gonna block somebody just because they say they don't like me. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 05:44, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
:::::I don't know the specifics of this situation, but in my experience, trolls generally get labeled as such when they are specifically asked to stop harassing other users and they fail to do so (among other things).  Also if they're warned by an admin to knock it off, and they don't. Also, it seems that the admins pay a bit more attention to the situation when a user other than the one being harassed makes the report.  Just my experience - were I an admin, I'd take a careful look at as much of the history as I could manage to see what's going on before I made a decision. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 05:58, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

== NSMC ==
can someone tell me what NSMC means? i apologise for my non-wikiknowledge [[User:Ciberdude444|Ciberdude444]] 02:32, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

N***** Stole my Cow.  He was a troll bot that caused massive damage round here.  That is why annony's need t use cathpa now. {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 02:33, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
:cathpa? [[User:Ciberdude444|Ciberdude444]] 02:36, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
::The code of letters and numbers that annonys have to correctly enter in in order to edit. {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 02:41, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
:what kind of damage did nsmc do? not pages but number of pages
::He hit more than 800 pages, I believe. In an extremely short amount of time. I watched it happen; I helped revert it. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::how wasnt he banned? [[User:Ciberdude444|Ciberdude444]] 02:55, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
:::The reason we couldn't jump right in and ban him was because he made so many edits he caused the whole wiki to go down for a short while. He had an ever-shifting proxy IP, and took a while to ban all of them... I'm sure someone else can explain it much better than I... --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:::if he was just a ip why do u call him nsmc?[[User:Ciberdude444|Ciberdude444]] 03:10, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
:That's just a general term we use to describe the massive amount of troll bots that attacked that day. <small>Or something like that.</small> {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 03:13, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
::then why do u call it that specifically? [[User:Ciberdude444|Ciberdude444]] 03:15, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
:::His main method of operation was to entirely blank a page, replacing it with "N**** Stole My Cow". Hence the moniker, NSMC. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:::how did he blank so fast? [[User:Ciberdude444|Ciberdude444]] 03:20, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
::::"He" was a bot. Computers can do stuff in the blink of an eye. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
Oohhhh, I never knew that. So there wasn't actually a user with the name of NSMC? {{User:Salty/sig}} 03:38, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
:There were many users with NSMC in their usernames, but they were all created quickly by a bot, which then caused the users to blank pages.  The complete story of this vandal can be found on [[HRWiki:A History#NSMC|this page]]. {{User:Some HSR themed username/sig}} 03:44, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
He also said N***** stole my bike. {{User:The thing/sig}} 00:33, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

== BlackWidower ==
[[User:BlackWidower]] on his page it says EXACTLY what this says. F*ckin Decemberween! Should he be blocked?{{User:The thing/sig}} 02:04, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
:I wouldn't think so, just yet. First somebody should politely notify him on his talk page, which I'll go do. Keeping in mind that he hasn't been in since the 5th, though, it might be a while 'til he sees it. In the meantime it isn't really life-threatening; I doubt many would see it (if this discussion weren't calling attention to it!). &mdash;[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 20:17, 16 January 2006 (UTC)


== The Yelt family ==
Should we add [[User:Yeltensic|Yeltensic]] to the troll page? we could add that any addresses somewhat like his should be blocked. {{User:Seriously/sig}} 23:18, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
:If you see a sockpuppet of Yeltensic and there's no sysop around, you probably should list it so the sysops know when they arrive. Otherwise, though, it isn't necessary. The sysops will automatically block his sockpuppets, and this page isn't really meant as a record of offenders; it's more a way to alert sysops of who needs to get blocked. So, don't worry about it for now. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 23:21, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
:Given that the project page defines a WikiTroll as "a person who deliberately defaces documents on a wiki", and I merely created a document that really was very non-offensive, that would be a "no". In fact, going on that, it's pretty doubtful whether I should even have been blocked in the first place. [[User:YeltensicNetscape|YeltensicNetscape]] 00:17, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
::Persistant re-creation of a page that you were asked not to make, and the subsequent creation of several [[Wikipedia:Internet sock puppet|sock puppet]] accounts are a good place to start. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:::Maybe I've been tainted by Wikipedia, but I think it's pretty absurd that anyone would be blocked for creating a user subpage like mine, or referred to as "harassing" for arguing with admins, or sternly reprimanded by admins for using profanity, let alone censored profanity. [[User:CosmicInsigadol|CosmicInsigadol]] 00:44, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
:::(I'm Yelt, I just used this less directly related name so that I would actually have a chance to post here rather than get instantly blocked). [[User:CosmicInsigadol|CosmicInsigadol]] 00:44, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
::::In a lot of ways we are similar to Wikipedia, but in some very important ways we are different. At Wikipedia, you have more free rein on what kind of subpages you can create, but here we try to limit them to those that serve the project. The project, by the way, is about Homestar Runner (see below). (We have also, by wide consensus, agreed to keep the language at a level you could find on the official site.) Since guestbooks are ''not'' central to the project, ''and because there already was a place for discussion on that subject'', your subpage was deleted. Creating the subpage, however, was not why you were blocked per se. You were blocked because you ''continued'' to make the subpage in a disruptive manner. Up until that point, we were all willing to discuss the situation calmly and rationally. Your actions today have not helped your case one iota. You have been blocked, and you don't like it. Big deal. You're not the first person in the history of all wikis that this has happened to. But let me ask you to consider why you are even here. In the two weeks you've been a user, you still have ''zero'' actual contributions. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:42, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
:::::Well, he does technically have a contribution: thanks to his trolling, I haven't been able to edit from my home computer for the last three weeks. So, you know, Yelt, thanks a whole lot there, buddy. (There has GOT to be a way to fix that problem. I'm really starting to get mad about it.) --[[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 18:46, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
:::::Sorry about that. {{User:Granola/sig}} 02:53, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

==Yelt Friend==

Actually, that IP isn't necessary at all, since she was already dealt with by sysops and prolly won't be back. Not that it matters either way, really.  {{User:Granola/sig}} 02:53, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

== The thing ==

I thought I was on the fanstuff wiki. --{{User:The thing/sig}} 16:38, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
:The thing, it seems very supspicious that you log on just as a Dr. Who attack ended, that you are asking a question on the WikiTroll talk page, and that Homestar Swimmer claimed to be you in an edit summary. Now don't lie to me; are you really Dr. Who, or is there another explanation for this? {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 16:45, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
:::Dr. Who? also claimed to be Yeltensic and JoeyDay. I wouldn't take him a vandal at his word. &mdash;[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 23:07, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
::Uh, before we make quick conclusions, The thing was already trolling when he created those subpages. &mdash; {{User: Seriously/sig}} 17:05, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
:::Though Dr. Who has struck before, including on The thing's wiki. Also, The thing has reverted him here before. &mdash; {{User: Seriously/sig}} 17:07, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
::::How can I revert the same time as Dr. Who trolls if I was Dr. Who. Plus I don't use AOL. --{{User:The thing/sig}} 17:10, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
:::::I'm not saying you are Dr. Who, I'm just saying it looked kinda suspicious. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 17:11, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
::::::Yeah, just not exactly assuring. &mdash; {{User: Seriously/sig}} 17:12, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
:::::::Is Dr. Who a real person? --{{User:The thing/sig}} 17:15, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
::::::::Finally, I'ma take this conversation back to the original discussion: The thing was trolling. I don't care if "he thought he was on the fanstuff wiki". Totally not a vsalid excuse, the thing. &mdash; {{User: Seriously/sig}} 17:16, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::And as far as I know, he is a person. Um, obviously. &mdash; {{User: Seriously/sig}} 17:17, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
:Took a quick look at The thing's recent edit history, and I don't personally see anything that looks like trolling.  But regardless, I'd like to ask you something, Thing: I've seen a history from you of making questionable edits, then apologizing profusely for them, making a big deal of undoing them, and giving excuses about them - like "I thought I was somewhere else", etc.  It might make sense the first, even the second time, but this seems to be a regular habit for you. 
:I'd personally like to know what's going on in that head of yours. I'm not about to accuse you of also being the Dr. Who vandal (although if you turned out to be, I certainly wouldn't be surprised), but I basically want to know what's really going on, now that this pattern has turned up.  While we're discussing a website that is itself whimsical, funny and lighthearted, I (personally) believe this wiki should be taken seriously, and I don't see you doing that.  Behavior like this just says "This user wants a lot of attention" and makes a bold statement about one's level of maturity, but does little to get you on people's good sides. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 19:11, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
::I just came on again after Not a sockpuppet!!!! --{{User:The thing/sig}} 21:23, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
:::No, I remember him figting against Dr. Who with me. See [[User_talk:Some_HSR_themed_username#Dr._Who|this]]. I mean, c'mon! Can't that be used against "you always come when Dr. Who's attacks are over"? {{User:Bluebry muffin/sig}} 21:31, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
::::That is weird though. --{{User:The thing/sig}} 21:33, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
::::Kieferskunk, There is one thing he did that was trolling, as he knew the outcome: A subpage that was, um, I forget. But still, lemme just dig through recent changes and I'll show you in a few seconds. Believe me, I'll dig up the evidence. &mdash; {{User: Seriously/sig}} 21:35, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
:::::I give up. I know he did it, check his talk page. He acknowledged the fact that he did it, so I don't know why I can't see it. It might be at the wooky, and if it is I apologize extremely for the trouble that I've caused. I'll go check. &mdash; {{User: Seriously/sig}} 21:44, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
::::::Found it.
*# 15:27, March 5, 2006 [[User:Kilroy|Kilroy]] deleted "User:The thing/TEST/tbd/ = -)(*" (content was: '<nowiki>{{delete|Utterly useless subpage, made because user was bored}}</nowiki>') 
*15:27, March 5, 2006 [[User:Kilroy|Kilroy]] deleted "User talk:The thing/TEST/tbd/ = -)(*" (Talk page for deleted page)
{{User:Bluebry muffin/sig}} 21:47, 5 March 2006 (UTC) 
P.S. Sorry, The thing.

<big>Yes!!</big> I knew it! &mdash; {{User: Seriously/sig}} 21:49, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

You cannot assume The thing was being malicious by creating that subpage. Curiosity is the more satisfactory reason. The final decision is that it is not trolling, and his 3/5/06 entry has been removed from the list. &mdash;[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 21:51, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
:Oh. &mdash; {{User: Seriously/sig}} 21:52, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

::I know. That's what I thought when I heard it. But, we CAN tell, can't we Mr. Sysop? Please check the edits of the delorted page, BazookaJoe. [[User:The thing/TEST/tbd/ = -)(*]]. {{User:Bluebry muffin/sig}} 21:54, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
:Look, I'm not trying to keep at this, but we can't just let him go because he was curious. I say that we can't just keep looking after him like this. We can't say it's fine that we had to clean up his mess. &mdash; {{User: Seriously/sig}} 21:56, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
:::[http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=HRWiki_talk:WikiTroll&diff=278985&oldid=278983] &mdash;[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 23:07, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

::Why do you seem to have something against The thing, Seriously? You're always trying to find evidence of him trolling so that he can be blocked. I'm still kinda neutral on this issue, though,  so don't think I'm siding with him. I was just wondering what you had against him. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 22:21, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

:::Actually, The thing is on Seriously's cool people list. (Note:This isn't an answer on Seriously's behalf). {{User:Granola/sig}} 22:50, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

::::Granola is right. I like The thing. I'm just agitated at him right now, just like Kiefer. &mdash; {{User: Seriously/sig}} 22:53, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
:::::I think to say I'm "agitated" at him is exaggerating a bit.  I'm annoyed that this situation keeps coming up.  But I'm also annoyed at you for making just as big a deal out of it, Seriously.  You seem to be taking it upon yourself to make sure The thing gets punished for virtually everything he does - while I agree that some of his edits have been trolling and vandalism in the past, I don't agree on this particular instance.  More importantly, I'm perfectly happy to defer to the sysops on their decisions about whether The thing's behavior warrants punishment, even if sometimes I don't agree with it.
:::::We already called you out on Dot com's Talk page for trying to dictate sysop policy.  I'd like to suggest that you just trust them to know what they're doing and to know when discipline is necessary, and when it isn't.  Okay? {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 04:08, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

== Suggestions ==

Rather than have to go all the way to that page to add an offener (I used to have dial-up, and it took about 5 minutes to navigate 3 pages), simply have a link somewhere such as The Stick or whatever that links [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=HRWiki:WikiTroll&action=edit&section=4 here]. {{User:Teh_Frossty_One/sig}} 00:20, 12 March 2006 (UTC)<br>   
Or maybe have a link on Recent Changes. Just a suggestion, everypeoples in the place to be. {{User:Teh_Frossty_One/sig}} 00:21, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

:Great idea. I definitely recommend adding it. &mdash; {{User: Seriously/sig}} 00:28, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

::There's already a link to Wikitroll from [[HRWiki:The Stick]]. Having a link straight to editing it isn't needed. Either the troll has already been blocked by the time you get to wikitroll and adding them is unneeded, or if they haven't then you can afford to take an extra second to add them. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 00:33, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

== Another suggestion ==

As I've said a million times before, I don't like the fact that I get blocked because of trolls. I had an idea- why not use the unblock template that Wikipedia uses? That way, innocent users don't have to wait for however long it takes the block to expire, and they can post almost immediately after. --[[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 20:05, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
:Blocked users at Wikipedia can edit their talk pages, but that's not the case at our wiki. You can, however, email an admin and see if the block can be lifted. If this continues, you should contact AOL and see whether they can do anything, or consider ditching AOL altogether. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:22, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
::Yeah, but the email sysop feature doesn't work on my computer. Ditching AOL is not an option, because I still live at home and we only have one computer. --[[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 05:12, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

:::The only reason that I can think of that MediaWiki's Special:Emailuser feature would not work is if you did not properly set up and confirm an email address in [[Special:Preferences|your preferences]].  As for emailing [mailto:admin@hrwiki.org admin@hrwiki.org], that should be possible from any email interface, AOL or otherwise.&nbsp;-- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 05:19, 1 April 2006 (UTC)