Editing Talk:winter pool

== How exactly are they freed? ==
Sooo, does the KOT poop them out?  Is it safe to assume that? - SCCakes
:considering the color of the gunk on strong bad at the end, i say no.  --[[User:Neumannz|Zatchman]] 20:52, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
::I think it's one of those things best left to the viewer's imagination. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 20:53, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
:::Yeah, I'm fairly certain there's a reason the TBC and Strong BAd failed to explain what happened in detail....--{{User:DongleGoblin/sig}} 20:59, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
::::I just figured that he drank up the jello and they were left behind. I guessed that the 'sensation' that Strong Bad felt was the jello around him being sucked up. --{{User:GardenBoy/sig}} 01:26, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::I originally thought that too, but upon reading other peoples' thoughts, the ... ingestion does seem likely.  but, could even the KOT "eat" the poopsmith?? -[[User:Jdhannan|Jdhannan]] 21:59, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

== Death!??!?! ==

Is this the end of Pom Pom?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? -Alex H.
:Well, if Homestar escaped the [[Horrible Painting]] in [[Jibblies 2]], I'm sure Pom Pom can escape the vast emptiness of space. - [[User:OkayGraphics|OkayGraphics]] 14:26, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
::Homestar also escaped the water cooler... {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 14:36, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
:::And, in the most glaringly similar situation, Strong Mad came back from space in [[Marshmallow's Last Stand|MLS]]; and before the end of the 'toon even &mdash; [[User:Flashfight|Flashfight]] 15:14, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
::::You do recall the [[Late Nite JengaJam Interview - 4 Oct 2007|
recent interview]] where they were asked what character they would kill off, though, and they decided it might be Pom Pom. Not saying this is what they are doing, but if they do that's likely the source of the idea. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 22:58, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

== Nebulon first times ==

Thisis the first time we actually see Nebulon in a toon or sbemail, right? -Ein Poltergeist (not a dumptruck)
:If you don't count when he was [[PBTC]], then yes. {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 14:26, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
::i've added a remark for this.  --[[User:Neumannz|Zatchman]] 21:02, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
:::'Cept for his debut: [[Main Page 1]]. How's that count? --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 21:03, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
::::well, it's still his first appearance in a cartoon/sbemail, so i don't think we should worry about his Main Page appearance. at least not with how i worded the remark.  --[[User:Neumannz|Zatchman]] 21:10, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

== Mention where Red Angelo comes from ==

Nobody has put this in yet, but, the Red Angelo and the other kids names commented on come from the urban legend of kids being named Orangejello and Lemonjello.

http://www.snopes.com/racial/language/names.asp

:I volunteer in a NBICU and I am sorry to say that there are actually people who have named their children this. [[User:MisteR t|mister t]] 18:31, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
::I know for a fact that I live about 10 miles away from Lemonjello and Orangejello. [[User:Kevin G. Dannerson|Kevin G. Dannerson]] 19:07, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
:This is claimed as fact in the book Freakonomics, so I put it in with a reference. I think it's pretty clear as a reference to the event itself, though whether or not they actually got it from Freakonomics is uncertain. Keep in mind, though, it's a recent bestseller that sold three million copies, so it's a likely source. --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 15:20, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

::This story has been around waaay longer than Freakonomics. I heard it when I was a kid in the 80's. The Freakonomics text is very unlikely to be the source; why would the Chaps brothers mention another very common urban legend (the headlights flashed at a gangster car) at the same time unless they were referring to common urban legends.

:::Good point. I entered that just before I read the Snopes story about headlights, which I'd never heard before. Makes more sense now; Freakonomics was probably passing it along without knowing whether it was true or not just like everyone else. --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 15:53, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

== Is this the first time the King of Town was actually USEFUL? ==

In Strong Bad's perspective, at least.-Thnikkafan
:This statement is purely speculation. Some would agree, while some would say he has been useful before.--{{User:GardenBoy/sig}} 01:29, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

==New Animations==

two notable points.
1) as someone put somewhere in Fun Facts, bubs' arms are animated like coach z's were in [[Trogday 08]]. BUT!! they were already animated like this in [[nightlife]] and [[Happy Dethemberween]].
2) we've never, NEVER seen strong bad's mouth do what it's doing at the end of the email.
somebody should fit these into the remarks
--[[User:Neumannz|Zatchman]] 15:39, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
: all i know, is that whoever wrote that fun fact failed to use english grammar rules or something.  I read it 4 or 5 times and only have a guess as to what it means -[[User:Jdhannan|Jdhannan]] 17:26, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
::i see what you mean. i didn't read it carefully the first time. well, since i now have time, i guess i'll just handle this bit myself. --[[User:Neumannz|Zatchman]] 20:27, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
actually, i move that we no longer bother with mentioning the new animation style for bubs' arms, if not including this sbemail, than from now on.  --[[User:Neumannz|Zatchman]] 20:37, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
:I agree. There's no point in mentioning it every time. --[[User:Foolster41|Foolster41]] 20:55, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

== Space station ==

At first I thought the space station in the space background was a copy of the one from [[Wikipedia:2001: A Space Odyssey (film)|2001: A Space Odyssey]]. Then I looked up some images I realized that the original was a double wheel and not really that similar. The only striking feature they share is the "centrifuge wheel" design, which I imagine is not unique. Is there a station somewhere in sci-fi that looks more similar to this one? Something from Star Trek, maybe? (I browsed around [http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Main_Page Memory Alpha], but nothing jumped out at me. --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 15:39, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
:That's exactly the point, the centrifuge design isn't unique. The Brothers Chaps could have seen the idea anydangwhere. Also, didn't it appear in [[theme song]]? [[User:Evil Egg|Evil Egg]] 13:55, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

== Flavors ==

If we don't have a running gag about flavors, we should.  (If it already exists, I couldn't find it.)  I thought about just "Color Flavors" but we also have water described as Malinko- and Strong Bad-flavored water (in [[rough copy]]).  We have orange- and black-flavored from [[Malloween Commercial]], Bubs's sno-cone flavors, and the drinks in [[Lookin at a Thing in a Bag]].  Any name suggestions?  Anyone is welcome to take this ball and run with it; I ain't so gung-ho about creating articles at the moment.  {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 18:36, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
:I dunno, we could have an [[Unusual Flavors]] or a [[Flavor Variations]] section for things like the flavored water and the orange-and-black marshmallows, respectively, but I don't think normal flavors like grape, cherry, green apple, etc. deserve a mention outside of the articles about the food/drink.--{{User:DongleGoblin/sig}} 19:22, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
::[[User:E.L. Cool|E.L. Cool]] created [[Color flavored]].  {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 19:41, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
:::Interesting. Without reading this discussion I made [[Color flavored]]. Modestly Ok minds think very closely, right? {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 19:42, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
::::In my defense, I was talking about flavors, not-color flavors.  Still, my bad.  Sorry.--{{User:DongleGoblin/sig}} 19:59, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
== Highly Intellectual Property ==

Are there anymore instances of Strong Sad wearing the glasses he wears in this sbemail and [[rough copy]].  I'm wondering if they can be featured as a running gag.--{{User:DongleGoblin/sig}} 19:37, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
:didn't he also wear those in [[business trip]]?  --[[User:Neumannz|Zatchman]] 20:29, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
::I don't think so.  Those had legs, or whatever you call the part of the glasses that are held up by the ears.  They might be a variation though.  I haven't seen the DVD, but could someone who has tell me if they're the same glasses that are featured in [[Accent]]?--{{User:DongleGoblin/sig}} 20:43, 21 January 2008 (UTC)


== Gel-Arshie ==

the jello marshie has a visible brain. worth mentioning?  ---[[User:Neumannz|Zatchman]] 20:45, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
:I think a better place to bring this up would be [[Gel-arshie|here]].--{{User:DongleGoblin/sig}} 20:58, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

== State-shaped gelatin blob on Strong Bad? ==

Does anyone else see that Strong Bad has a glob of gelatin on his pants toward the end of the e-mail in the shape of the state of Florida? Or am I crazy? Is this worth a mention?
:I don't think it's worth a mention. We eventually decided not to note the smiley face-shaped globs of whatsit adorning the Hornblower in [[KOT's VOQPCS!]]. The notability requires intent, you see. It's likely coincidence. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 21:46, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
::Definitely not a coincidence. It looks unmistakably like florida. It seems to me TBC are playing the hidden shapes game now, as this isn't the first time they've done this, and i bet we could find many more stated or whatnot in other places where blotchiness appear. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 23:58, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
:::I totally agree. When I first saw it, I tried to click on it.  If you google "florida jello", the first result is a picture of hot girls wrestling in jello from the university of florida... you think that could be it? [[User:MisteR t|mister t]] 05:06, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
::::lol, i kept meaning to double check it and see if that was really florida - thus, my vote is Yes, theres a florida shaped "jello" blob
:::::Well, I double checked after reading this thread, and there's not enough resemblance. It's definitely not Florida.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 22:37, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
::::::There's no doubt it looks as much like FL as you can expect with translucent dessert related substance.  Though until I see more states popping up, I'm not going to assume that it was intentional, but the resemblance is unmistakable and undeniable.  {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 23:37, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

== Inside reference is probably wrong. ==

It's probably not the first time this has happened. Anyways, I don't think that the comic was named for Real Mutants #87 (Obscure, I'm sure). I think it was named so because of the fact that it was email 1'''87'''. I'm sorry, obscure comic fanboys, but it's not true. Try again next time. - [[User:Eruption257|Eruption257]]

==Skateboarding==
I know he said it was imaginary, but wouldn't Strong Bad look cool skateboarding?[[User:Hooray4Trogdor95|Hooray4Trogdor95]] 02:11, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
:You mean like [[looking old|with a helmet, knee and shoulder pads, and a tube of yogurt]] &mdash; [[User:Flashfight|Flashfight]] 11:35, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
::Sorry, I to am so on the go that I forgot that picture:and drink yogurt from a tube[[User:Hooray4Trogdor95|Hooray4Trogdor95]] 12:12, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
:::That's right, Hooray4Wormdingler95, you drink <i>everything</i> from a tube &mdash; [[User:Flashfight|Flashfight]] 14:33, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
::::This is getting VERY forumy. --{{User:GardenBoy/sig}} 01:32, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

==Bubs Evolution==
Am I crazy, or is Bubs undergoing anatha evolution stage? He looks a little different... {{User:Superfield Credit Union/sig}}
:No, they've just started doing his arms differently. ALso, it's spelt "another". [[User:Evil Egg|Evil Egg]] 13:57, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
::I know it's "another". Can't a guy pronounce something differently once in a while? {{User:Superfield Credit Union/sig}}
:::Pronounce? yes.  Spell? no thanks.

== Frog Eggs ==
<blockquote>
"Frog Eggs" refers to the science fiction novel ''[[Wikipedia:His Master's Voice (novel)|His Master's Voice]]'' by [[Wikipedia:Stanisław Lem|Stanisław Lem]], in which scientists try to decipher an alien message, but only manage to create a gelatin-like substance they call "Frog Eggs".
</blockquote>
The "Frog Eggs" reference seems to be too far-fetched for me. There's no real relation, apart from the two words. [[User:JudgeDeadd|JudgeDeadd]] 04:31, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
::I dunno, I think it makes sense, since we're talking gelatinous things (such as jell-o) here that TBC may have intended that one. [[User:Cheesius|-- Cheesius]] 11:35, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
:::I think the definitive proof for the fact is Strong Sad (the geeky character) says "I don't even get that one", telling us that the reference is obscure. I think the reference provided is obscure enough to fit what Gron Sad says. &mdash; [[User:Flashfight|Flashfight]] 11:44, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
::::That's  a ridicolous kind of "proof". There's absolutely no proof that this is what was intended, apart from the name ("frog eggs" is a common phrase!), gelatinuosity (real frog eggs are truly gelatinous, aren't they?), and notice that Strong Bad is saying "How we doing here, frog eggs?" - thus implying he was referring to Homestar and Strong Sad, not the stuff in the pool.
:::::The fact here isn't just about Frog Eggs, it's about the science fiction novel "His Master's Voice" by Stanislaw Lem, which is something that would generally be within Strong Sad's geekines. We're talking about Jell-o here, and unless anyone can come up with another 'frog eggs' linkage, and moreover one that fits the "I don't even" comment, I say the fact stays. &mdash; [[User:Flashfight|Flashfight]] 13:29, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
::::::Removed. Stuff it if you wish--[[User:Mycroft.holmes|Mycroft Holmes]] 16:53, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Re-added. I think we should give this maybe more than 12 hours of discussion before we make a decision. &mdash;[[User:Flashfight|Flashfight]] 16:55, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
::::::::I doubt it's a reference. Your proof about even strong sad not getting it holds no water, as the point of making references is for people to get them and find them funny. If i was making a cartoon and I made a reference to some inside joke i have with my roommate, would that be funny to the rest of the world? no. Furthermore, SB was referring to SS and HR, not the jello. please burninate this fact. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 16:57, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::Re-re-removed. A reference this flimsy and obsure should be assumed incorrect and moved to STUFF.--[[User:Mycroft.holmes|Mycroft Holmes]] 17:00, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::Seven thumbs down on this "fact". {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 17:01, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::::Mycroft, if you want it STUFFed, then STUFF it, but don't keep edit warring. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 17:02, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::::We've been preferring talk page discussion to STUFF where possible lately, which is very much as it should be. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 17:03, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::::::TBC have made exceptionally obscure references before. In [[web comics]] this fact was STUFF'd and accepted. # "Web in Front" is a song by North Carolina-based indie rock band Archers of Loaf. Just because it's obscure doesn't mean it is any less true. &mdash[[User:Flashfight|Flashfight]] 17:05, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::::::But that was where clicking on "web in front" produces a sign saying "go loaf". Here there's no such connection. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 17:06, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::Frog Eyes means Jell-o is referenced, and characters themselves refer to its obscurity. I see that at least as much a  connection as Web in Front and the word Loaf &mdash; [[User:Flashfight|Flashfight]] 17:08, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
::::::::: I think that the connection between the two very plausible, since we are talking about a fairly famous science fiction novel, and there is a linkage between the word SB uses and the substance in that particular novel ''and'' in the pool.  And I would use a counter example to DeFender's argument; Mystery Science Theater often pulled in the most obscure references.  The point was not that everybody got it, but if only a few people did.  In this case, "Frog Eggs" on the surface seems like a non-sequitur by Strong Bad, but if you know the novel, then you get the joke.  It strikes me that TBC are the type of people that would love to put in that sort of multilayered reference in occasionally. {{User:Wbwolf/sig}} 17:09, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
:Working on STUFF entry now--[[User:Mycroft.holmes|Mycroft Holmes]] 17:10, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
::I'm a bit disappointed we've ended up once again at a vote rather than discussion, but I guess it's better than an edit war. :-S {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 17:11, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
::: STUFFed. IMHO, highly questionable facts like this one should NOT be added to the article. They need to be here or in STUFF until accepted or rejected.--[[User:Mycroft.holmes|Mycroft Holmes]] 17:16, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
::::Could it be that Strong Bad was just insulting Strong Sad because Frog Eggs are fat and geletonous, and the same goes for Strong Sad (in Strong Bad's opinion) {{User:Superfield Credit Union/sig}}

== Your Funeral ==

Homestar and Strong Bad's voices are distorted similarly to how Strong Bad's was after he was preserved in the funeral episode. That it's a reference is strengthened by Homestar's request to be preserved in red Jell-O.
:That's just a similar [[sound effect]]. I don't think there's a connection, really. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 18:11, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

== It's Abort, Retry, Ignore, or Fail, when I state ==

That's supposed to be a reference to something on DOS/Command Prompt where you try to access a drive that's empty (like a floppy disk drive). --[[User:Addict 2006|Addict]] [[User talk:Addict 2006|2006]] 18:17, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
:What are you talking about? {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 18:38, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
::He's talking about the Strong Badman comic Easter egg.  {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 18:44, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
:::[[First Time Here?|Okay, this time I'm totally gonna get it. Seriously you guys.]] Okay, so I go to my old computer with Win ME on it, and I'm in command prompt right now. I go a:\ and this shows up:

 Not ready reading drive A
 Abort, Retry, Fail?

Now, I remember I used to have a really old computer that had Win 3.1 on it, and it said, Abort, Retry, Ignore, Fail. [[wikipedia:Abort, Retry, Fail?|Here's the Wikipedia entry.]] --[[User:Addict 2006|Addict]] [[User talk:Addict 2006|2006]] 18:47, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

I remember that. I used to run an old Windows 3.1 computer, and in DOS I would always have trouble with old disks. It used to always yell "Abort, Retry, or Fail?" at me. I've put it into the Fun Facts, under Real World References, since nobody's done that yet. -Zero.exe

== Voice Effect ==

Is it just me, or did their voices under the jello seem to have the same effect applied as Horrible Painting's voice? Has this effect ever been used besides that? It may be worth mentioning.
[[User:75.111.216.18|75.111.216.18]] 21:24, 22 January 2008 (UTC)Burninated
:yeah, it's not the jibblies effect, it's the zombies one. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 21:32, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
:That's it...

::If you used Audacity to make such a voice effect, what would be the name of that effect anyway?--[[User:66.82.9.104|66.82.9.104]] 05:35, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

==Strong Sad's belly's ball sound==
that's three references. {{User:Don't say jorb 101/sig}}
:That's right, as is mention on [[Sound Effects]]. &mdash; [[User:Flashfight|Flashfight]] 03:42, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

== Talk and Mouth Move Goof ==

:''When Strong Sad said "any second now." his mouth wouldn't move. This was fixed later the next day.''

This is listed as a Fixed Goof, but I never saw this goof to begin with and I was super early in seeing this email.  I usually notice something this obvious, and I just didn't see it.  Can anyone confirm that this was really a goof?  {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 15:33, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

I listed it as a goof before it was fixed, then someone put this up. It was clearly not moving. [[User:Unbalanced|Unbalanced]] 23:02, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
:It would still be good to have a second witness.  Will anyone come forward?  {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 23:29, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

== Oh Dang! ==

Strong Badman is saying this in the Easter Egg, and Coach Z says it when Peacey P orders breakfast in [[Rap Song]]. Are there any more instances of this, and could it be a running joke? [[User:75.69.70.69|75.69.70.69]] 00:36, 24 January 2008 (UTC)