Editing Talk:hremail 3184

{{talk}}

==Category==
Should we categorize this as a toon, Homestar Runner email, or Strong Bad email? Maybe as all three? {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 06:42, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

:Definitely Hremail and Sbemail. It's already on the Email list, and it has Hremail already in the title. {{User:Itama/sig}} 06:46, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

::It's listed as a sbemail on homestarrunner.com. We should go with that.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 06:58, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

::: It's important to note that on the main page, it's listed as "New Toon," but does have "HREMAIL" in the title AND shows up in the SBEMAIL list on Denny's Menu... so, in a strange twist of fate, it is regarded as all three? [[User:Javaguy78|Javaguy78]] 14:15, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

:::: Also, on the toons page the tell-tale "HRE" blob makes it a definate hremail, and Denny's Menu calls it out as a sbemail, so it is, indeed, both. {{User:That_game_dude386/sig}} 01:23, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

That phrase Homestar says.. "Don't Call it a comeback"... isn't that an L.L. Cool J lyric?

Actually, this is more of a sbemail, because TBC has changed the "New Toon" bubble to "new strong bad email". [[User:SuperLuigi|SuperLuigi]] 14:10, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
:I always though that a Hremail ''is'' a toon. Hremails don't have there own button on the remote. But any way, lets look at the facts. The html says hremail. The main page says new sbemail. And in the Denny's Menu it says Hremail 3184. But in fun in the living room, the Hremail is only in the new stuff page. If you click on toons, it is nowhere, just like a sbemail. I think that on the new stuff page, it should say that it is a sbemail, because it is classified as such. What do you all think? [[User:origonalname]]

== Fun Fact? ==

Should we add a fun fact that in the commentary for [[email thunder]], Matt Chapman said that there would be no more emails?  Or is it not important enough?  {{User:Open Source Greg/sig}} 08:50, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

== Easy Button? REALLY? ==

I was more reminded of those USB panic buttons and such, and TBH the 'easy button' isn't the only big red button out there. There's an excuse button, a bull**** button, an insult button, all kindsa buttons.
:I'm not trying to police the wiki, but I don't think you should use swear words, even on the talk pages. {{User:BubbleRevolution/sig}} 18:26, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
::No, really, they sell a such thing as a button that says 'Bull****' when you press it. And it's common courtesy not to edit peoples' statements on talk pages, so I'd like it if you don't edit what I said, even if for censorship purposes, which I don't really support anyway. [[Special:Contributions/98.176.133.158|98.176.133.158]] 21:33, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Nobody cares what you don't support. Follow the rules, anonny. {{User:That Guy Over There/sig}} 05:26, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
::::Please don't be hatin', peoples. If the curse word is removed per Wiki policy, then there's no need to continue the conversation. Back on the actual ''topic'' of this post, I think it looks really similar to the easy button, and is shown at a straight-on angle as in the commercials for whatever store (Office Max? Staples?). --{{User:Onamuji/sig}} 12:16, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::IMHO, it just looks like any other oversized red button. But whatever. [[Special:Contributions/98.176.133.158|98.176.133.158]] 13:29, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
::::::The easy button came to mind first for me, but I think nonetheless it's rather TTATOT. {{User:That Guy Over There/sig}} 19:21, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
::::::This is pretty cut and dried, guys. It resembles a Staples Easy Button almost to a T. The only difference is the font used for "dooj." --[[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|I slayed the Kerrek]]. Really. 03:46, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::::I think the staples easy button is certainly the most famous of big red buttons of this shape, if not the only one (as i haven't seen anything similar that wasn't a parody of the staples button already). {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 03:52, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

I send a email for Homestar

Dear Strong Bad
the sbemail 200 is your last email. [[User:Lucsar|Lucsar]] 11:26, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

:Uhhhhhhh... no kiddin'... {{User:Open Source Greg/sig}} 11:51, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

::I think we should close this discussion topic. [[User:MenacingBanjo|MenacingBanjo]] 16:43, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

::: Okay, so you sent Homestar an email for Strong Bad and used terrible grammer. So? [[User:SBE-mail Checker Dan]]

== Disc 7 ==

So, having made this email, this either means TBC will put this on Everything Else Vol. 4, or strongbad_email.exe Disc 7.  And if it is the email DVD, then they will have to make at least 29 more.  And then stopping at 230 would look untidy, so then they might make another 70 and release it as discs 8 and 9.  But then they might want to take it up to at least an even 10... Hmmmmmmm... {{User:Open Source Greg/sig}} 11:55, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

:Or maybe they don't _have_ to make anything but rather just do stuff they like whenever they have an idea and the time. ;) If they should decide to end sbemails for good one day and happen to end them with an uneven number or too little content for a new DVD, they can do that. They could put them on a mixed DVD with "Everything Else" or just leave it at that and never sell them at all. Or they would find other options. Anyway, I think you get my point. ;)  (It's me, Cass from Germany. Comp just logged me out.) --[[Special:Contributions/95.222.57.4|95.222.57.4]] 12:17, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

::Yeah, maybe that would have been better to put on the forum... {{User:Open Source Greg/sig}} 09:14, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

== Beth-shiba? ==

Is Senor Cardgage saying, "Beth-shiba," as written in the transcript, or [[Wikipedia:Bathsheba|Bathsheba]]?
:I'm pretty sure it's "Beth", because this is Senor we're talking about. {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 12:37, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
::He pronounced it Bath. The vowel sound Senor makes is almost 100% clearly an A sound. [[User:MenacingBanjo|MenacingBanjo]] 13:33, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
::: I agree it's "Bathsheba" [[User:Javaguy78|Javaguy78]] 14:09, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
::::Should that become a real-world reference with the Wikipedia link? --[[User:Rotanagol|Rotanagol]] 16:51, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::I tried, but it got removed as a "common name."  I'm pretty sure it's not such in the US, at least outside of specific jewish communities, and even then I'd bet it's largely traceable to the Bathsheba refered to in the wiki link, but I'll let the wiki community decide, I guess. -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.140.130|132.183.140.130]] 17:04, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::As for pronunciation, i'm neutral... it's could be a portmanteau between "beth" and "bathsheba", or just "bathsheba". that's not why i'm commenting. I'm commenting because it is certainly not a RWR, and probably isn't necessary as an explanation. I feel like it's a commonly enough KNOWN name, even if not many people HAVE it. But then again, i do come from one of those jewish-type communities the anonny mentioned, so i may have a bit of a skewed perception. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 17:51, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
::::::I for one, have never heard of such a name and live in a major city.  It probably would be useful to explain what this is, or at least provide a wiki link in the transcript itself rather than a RWR. -[[Special:Contributions/24.118.94.73|24.118.94.73]] 06:28, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::::I suspect it's not so much a regional thing as a background thing: people of certain backgrounds, including Deffy's, are likely to be familiar with the [[Wikipedia:Bible|book]] in question (I'm familiar with the name, too, in large part because I'm from [[Wikipedia:Christianity|another background]] that tends to be familiar with that book). Of course, just for cultural reasons, many Westerners with a non-religious background also have some knowledge of these things, and I'm not sure if this is obscure enough to need explaining or if doing so is too much explaining the joke. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 08:00, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Also, we never link in the transcript. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 15:27, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::I just created the real-world reference and removed it after finding this thread.  I'm not saying it isn't a real world reference, and interestingly, when you do a search for bathsheba in wikipedia it links to the famous character in Judeo-Christian religion.  I think Bathsheba is much more well known as a person than as a name, but that being said, it doesn't really illuminate much to put it as a rwr.  [[Special:Contributions/71.92.222.251|71.92.222.251]]

== Moonwalking? ==

Is it just me, or does Senor Cardgage's walking in place look like a tribute to Michael Jackson's moonwalk move?

It's just you.--[[Special:Contributions/206.205.184.2|206.205.184.2]] 14:20, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

:Maybe if he had been walking backwards, but the way it was done, it seemed like it was just supposed to be some weird thing. [[User:Monkeytender|Monkeytender]] 14:27, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
::That's what i thought of given recent events, but [[Best_Caper_Ever#Real-World_References|you can't really say they would do something like that]], can you? {{User:The Knights Who Say Ni/sig}} 23:03, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

== Lappy 486 and Paper 2.0: Rest In Peace==
They killed off Lappy the same way they killed of Tandy, I wonder what new computer will replace it. Perhaps Strong Bad and Homestar will answer an email together. [[User:MICGAGUH]]
:Sorry, but stuff like this really belongs on the forum. [[User:Monkeytender|Monkeytender]] 14:48, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

== Kelly-usa? ==

This seems unlikely, but did anyone else think "Kelly-Usa" ("oosa") was a reference to Sailor Moon?  There's a character named Chibi-Usa with the last part also pronounced "oosa."  Being from a Japanese anime, it'd explain the "exotic lady from the Far East" comment.  Reasons this is improbable: (1) -usa is not an honorific in Japan and was unique to the one character, making this reference pretty specific; (2) Chibi-Usa was a little girl, not an "exotic lady"; and (3) really, Sailor Moon?

If someone has an alternative explanation of SB's reaction, I'd like to see it.
:Actually, it's probably just an extention of the Homenadé joke made in [[Donut Unto Others]]. {{User:Wbwolf/sig}} 15:10, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

== sbemail201 ==

Do you think this counts as sbemail201? Because if not, sbemail201.html will be the first official sbemail to not be located at "sbeamil{#}.html". {{User:The thing/sig}} 15:59, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
:Yes, it counts (it's on the sbemail menu on the site), and [[flashback|no]], [[senior prom|it]] [[email thunder|won't]]. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 16:03, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
:It counts, and it's not the first. [[senior prom]] was located at "kingpoptoon.html".
::There an echo in here? --[[User:Jay|<span style = "color: #9999FF">''Jay''</span>]] <small>[[User:Jay|<span style = "color: #9999FF">''Jay''</span>]] <small>[[User:Jay|<span style = "color: #9999FF">''Jay''</span>]] <small>[[User:Jay|<span style = "color: #9999FF">''Jay''</span>]]</small></small></small> 17:34, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
:::speaking of echoes, when he says, "Dear Strong Bad <small>Strong Bad <small>Strong Bad <small>Strong Bad</small></small></small>", that echo has happened in at least one e-mail before. is this notable? incidentally, the file is kotpoptoon.html, not kingpoptoon, but w/e {{User:The Knights Who Say Ni/sig}} 21:24, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
::::and which email was it? {{User:The Knights Who Say Ni/sig}} 23:09, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::that would be [[redesign]], although that one sounded natural, as opposed to strong bad just repeating his name quieter --[[User:Neumannz|Neumannz]] 05:42, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

== Name styles ==

This may need to be listed on the [[HRW:STYLES|manual of style]] or its talk page, but I just wanted to state somewhere that this toon should be referred to as [[hremail3184]] when listed as a Strong Bad Email and [[Hremail 3184]] when listed as a Hremail or when TBC list it as such. I think our usage to this point has been consistent with the guideline, but I figured it should at least be mentioned out loud. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:43, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
:I was the one who originally moved the page from [[Hremail 3184]] to [[hremail3184]], and I wasn't sure if I should fix the pages listed in "What links here?" for the former article. I suppose that clears it up. [[User:Dalkaen|Dalkaen]] 04:29, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

== scroll buttons ==

there is no scroll buttons song as of this sbemail

Yeah. We know. It's been stated on the page. {{User:BubbleRevolution/sig}} 18:26, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

:Hey, I did that! {{User:Open Source Greg/sig}} 09:17, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

== takes, has, means... ==

So, at least three times in this email, the characters use the wrong word in a sentence.  For example, SB says "I can't takes it no more", Coach Z says "... now I don't has to" and the Lappy asks, "does that means?"  Are these mentionable? I think they are, in the same vein that "Be's careful" and "be's'ing mean..." were in previous emails... but how do we mention them in this email.... a little help? [[User:Javaguy78|Javaguy78]] 21:40, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
:"This email contains several instances of [[Deliberately Poor English]]." --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 21:55, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

== Identical explosion marks? ==

I dunno if anyone else noticed, but the explosion mark at the end of this toon is the exact same vector shape that was used in the same spot back in 'virus', after Bubs shot the Compy.
:I did notice, but I wasn't sure if it was worth noting. {{User:That Guy Over There/sig}} 05:31, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

==32X Reference==

I did a basic edit about the Grilled mushrooms 32x reference, but since I'm new at this can some one perfect it?

==So popular lately==

Gas rings around explosions in pop culture probably started with the Star Wars Special Editions. Worth a Real World Reference?
:Unless you can make that "probably" into a "definitely", I'd say not. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 04:07, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Well, there are certainly earlier examples, notably in Star Treks II and VI, but the idea of adding a shock-wavey Saturn ring to make an explosion 'fancier' definitely starts with the SW SEs. Not that there's anything 'lately' about 1997, but SB probably doesn't have a DVD player yet. :)
:Meh, I think it's a bit [[TTATOT]]. {{User:That Guy Over There/sig}} 05:33, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
::Actually, SB's reference itself is rather broad ranging.  It's not as if he is referencing a single source of the Saturn ring explosions, but actually the trend of having them.  As such, one or two notable mentions might be worth making.

==PONK!==
Anyone else notice the name of the beer Bubs was drinking?--[[User:Robotguy4|Robotguy4]] 05:17, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
:It is clearly "PONK!" Point? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 09:57, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
::I think [http://www.teamfortress.com/scoutupdate/energydrink.htm this] is his point. It really seems like it's a ''[[Wikipedia:Team Fortress 2|Team Fortress 2]]'' reference (right down to Bubs mimicking the Scout's constant "BONK" proclamations); I just haven't added it in because the relationship isn't absolutely obvious. --[[User:Shadow Hog|Shadow Hog]] 15:08, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
:::Since you pointed it out, it's pretty obvious, but before you said anything, I wouldn't have even known about it.  That, in my book, is plenty good reason to add it.
::::It has nothing to do with how obvious or not obvious it is and everything to do with whether or not it's actually referring to the thing in question. I don't think there's enough of a similarity to connect the two. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 15:32, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::I disagree.  There seems to be plenty of parallels.  And as for whether it's "actually referring to the thing in question," since when are you or any of the users on this Wiki actually inside the mind of TBC that you can know for certain what's a deliberate reference and what's not?  We can only make such assessments based on external evidence, such as comparable similarities.
::::::Well, that's why we (used to) have STUFF... but anyway, in all honesty, I'm thinking of just adding it in and seeing where things go from there. --[[User:Shadow Hog|Shadow Hog]] 18:21, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Likely it will get removed immediately. The way to go about it is to use this talk thread, not just put it on the page and see what happens. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 18:38, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
::::::::If it's a valid fact, it shouldn't get removed.  Anyway, I'm on the fence.. I can see arguments both ways. -[[Special:Contributions/128.103.10.135|128.103.10.135]] 23:29, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

==Other Info==

Is anyone planning on putting the writing from Strong Bad's newspaper and business card in the article? [[User:CloneWarrior|CloneWarrior]] 08:38, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
:Bwees-ness card is a good idea, and we would all be grateful for the addition of it. Da NewsPapes, however, (and correct me if I'm wrong) says exactly the same thing it has in its other SB-on-da-toilet scenes, so it needs no transcription. --{{User:Onamuji/sig}} 12:07, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
::Well, I checked the article for Candy Product, and the newspaper definitely has different text there. What other instances are there? [[User:Monkeytender|Monkeytender]] 00:22, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

== Speech Impediment ==

Is it me, or does Homestar's Speech Impediment is kinda missing at the beginning of the hremail?--{{User:Darkangel/sig}} 08:54, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

== traffic ==

Do the sounds of traffic during Senor Cardgage's part sound like the traffic in his part during the FBI Warning on strongbad_email.exe Disc Six?  -Logged Out Open Source Greg
:It sounds like it might be the same, but that's a note for [[Sound Effects]]. --{{User:Onamuji/sig}} 12:07, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

== No Broken Lappy Menu? ==

I think this is the first sbemail where a computer explodes and there is no special menu for the broken computer, like after the tandy and the compy. I can't remember if those came in right away, or a few days later.  [[User:Nynexman4464|Nynexman4464]] 14:48, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
:I believe there's been a gap in between the destruction of the computer and the broken menu. The dates on [[virus]] and [[Broken Compy Menu]] back that up. It's probably done that way to avoid spoiling the surprise of the destruction. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 17:42, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

== Magnificent Marzipan ==

* The Magnificent Marzipan is a nod to [[Wikipedia:Sensational_Sherri|Sensational Sherri]] and/or [[Wikipedia:Don_Muraco|The Magnificent Muraco]].

What evidence is there to support this claim aside from the alliteration? This seems extremely weak to me. {{User:That Guy Over There/sig}} 20:46, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
:I agree. There are tons of alliterative titles like this. Without commentary confirmation, this is...augh! I don't wanna say it! TTATOT. --{{User:Onamuji/sig}} 00:00, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

== Already prepared to explode the lappy? ==

I put a fact on the page, but it got removed as unnotable, so I wanted to mention it here.  Does no one else find it inconsistent that, although Strong Bad had just now (as of this email) been asked about explosions, he had bought the dooj button (in preparation of exploding the lappy) several weeks ago? -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.140.130|132.183.140.130]] 22:49, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
:I don't know about that, but I think a Remark should be made about the button not being plugged into the Lappy until SB points it out. [[User:Monkeytender|Monkeytender]] 23:18, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
::Well, it seems notable to me. Like all the <s>crap</s> very interesting fun facts that we put in. {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 23:24, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
:::The way i see it, this email is basically SB telling about how he regularly splo's stuff up, at least as often as he breathes air molecules, so for him to plan to blow up the lappy even before recieving the question is VERY consistant with this email. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 23:26, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

== Ghost Lappy ==

The (demonic) shadow of Female Lappy in the explosion feels like a reference to the ghosts of the Tandy (Bad Graphics) and Compy (skeleton), but I'm not sure how (or if) to put this into an Inside Reference or Remark. Thoughts? {{User:Itama/sig}} 00:16, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
:Remarks, that's where I think you should put it. [[User:MICGAGUH]]
::No, you should  put it in Inside References. --[[User:Particleman24|Particleman24]] 22:43, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

== Usa, Japan ==

<blockquote>* Strong Bad's remark that Kelly-Usa sounds exotic is a reference to the [http://www.snopes.com/business/genius/usa.asp urban legend] about Japan renaming a town Usa.</blockquote>

This doesn't seem quite right to me. In this case he is interpreting Usa as Kelly's last name, and I don't think it really stands on it's own as a reference specifically to that urban legend.  The only thing that stopped me from removing it is the fact that they have referred to the urban legend before, and somewhat recently, but even that relies on either being a close follower of the TBC's work or making a priori connections in order to be considered a reference to the urban legend in my mind. {{User:GreenHelmet/sig}} 12:52, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
:I really don't think this enough for a reference, because 1)I don't think they'd reference an urban legend TWICE within about two months, and 2)It's just SB pronouncing an abbreviation as a word. 3)He doesn't even mention Japan. The word "usa" would probably not be enough for a reference alone. Just my opinion. {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 13:02, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
:I disagree with both of you.  It is a fairly commonly known urban legend, and I see no reason to suppose that TBC wouldn't be referencing it.  Otherwise, we have to ask the question: why would SB call attention to it unless there was some sort of humorous connection to be made, apart from the mere sound of the word?
::Because the "humorous connection" was the fact that he read Usa as her last name instead of her country. --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 07:01, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

== 32x Reference? ==

When strongbad introduces the chili dog, the grilled mushrooms logo says 32x. I think this is a reference to the 32x add-on for the Sega genesis, as well as the fact that its somewhat shaped like a mushroom.

==Paper 2.0 in Cast?==

I started to think that the Paper 2.0 should be mentioned in the cast section, but I'm not sure if that can be counted here. Thoughts?
:Well, we don't know what paper it was, and either way, we don't list the Paper (or any pseudocharacter) in the cast under normal circumstances anyway. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 20:14, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
A separate question, I see many times mentioned that we don't know it was New Paper.  Why not?  Don't we know that the (old) Paper got burned up by a spark from Homestar's Computer when SB poured the MD on it?  -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.138.86|132.183.138.86]] 21:10, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
:However, the old paper did return in Sb_mail 200, and it was previously burned, so it is possible that it could come back from the dead... That, or since it "trancends time and space" it could have time travelled some how...--[[User:Robotguy4|Robotguy4]] 07:38, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
::Ok, in order to prevent edit wars from erupting all over the wiki, I wish to get this vital paper business sorted out once and for all.
::First of all, let us state what we already know:
::#[[The Paper]] dies for the first time in [[the paper]].
::#[[New Paper]] is beaten up by The Paper, which briefly comes back from the dead before dying a second time in [[email thunder]].
::#An unnamed paper dies in [[hremail3184]].
::#[[Virtual Paper]] takes over from [[independent]] onwards. Both The Paper and New Paper have now been written out.
::Now, let us assume first that it was The Paper who dies in hremail3184. That would mean it would have died in two successive emails, and three times in total. Do you think that's likely? Would TBC have gone through the effort of killing off The Paper a second time, then secretly bringing it back to life yet again without telling us, just so they could kill it off a third time? And what of New Paper? Why doesn't it come back in independent? Does it die from The Paper's attack in email thunder or does it just go away forever?
::If, however, we assume that it was New Paper that dies in hremail3184, then things get a lot more straightforward. The Paper dies (again) in email thunder and then New Paper dies in the following email. Thus, I'd say the most simple explanation is most likely ([[Wikipedia:Occam's razor|Occam's razor]]) and that it was New Paper that died in hremail3184. I know some of you may dismiss this as speculation but we need to come to some form of general consensus as to what happened at the end of this email. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 15:04, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
:::The humor in that gag IS that very ambiguity. The point is that you don't know which one it is, and that it could have been and was most likely both. To speculate about it is to defeat the joke. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 15:19, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
::::Isn't that very ambiguity exactly the reason why we need discuss the events at the end of this email in the first place? I don't see why we shouldn't discuss what happened in case we defeat the joke. There are certain articles on this wiki (e.g. [[Envelope Paper]], [[Virtual Paper]]) where it is necessary to state which paper died in this email, which is why I feel this is a big issue. I stick with my argument; although we don't know which paper died here, we can work it out using a process of elimination. There have been two papers which have died. If The Paper clearly died in email thunder, then New Paper must have died in the following email (and if they both died, that still means that New Paper died in this email). {{User:The Chort/sig}} 18:32, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
:::::No, that very ambiguity is the reason that any such discussion is speculation, and UNNEEDED speculation at that. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 19:45, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
::::::I would argue that it's not speculation, but inference.  (and REASONABLE inference at that). -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.151.119|132.183.151.119]] 20:06, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

== I can't BELIEVE nobody picked this up. ==

Strong Sad's scene with the Pop Tart is a dual reference.  It just SCREAMS [[Wikipedia:James Bond]] and [[Wikipedia: Die Hard With a Vengeance]]
:I can see what you mean.  If you're able to word it understandably, feel free to add it to references. -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.138.86|132.183.138.86]] 21:11, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
::Why is no one doing it yet? --[[Special:Contributions/69.19.14.29|69.19.14.29]] 02:31, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
:::And doesn't the Pop-Tart look more like a Pillsbury Toaster Strudel? --[[Special:Contributions/69.19.14.31|69.19.14.31]] 14:44, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

== Possible Popeye reference? ==

Anyone else think that part of Strongbad's opening line "I can't takes it no mores!" is a reference to Popeye, who frequently said "I've all I can stands, and I can't stands no mores!"?
:It's reminiscent, but not concrete enough to be notable, I think. -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.138.162|132.183.138.162]] 17:24, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

== Place ya bets! ==

What do you think Strongbad's new computer will be like? What about his new paper?--[[User:Metaphoricallycrazy|M.Crazy]] | [[User talk:Metaphoricallycrazy|Talk]] 17:53, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
:I think it will be like something that would be better discussed at the forum. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 17:37, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

== Can I fight them instead? ==

Is there any signifgence about Andy Kaufman (the half women/half man champion) that would make Strong Sad say this line? Like, he could be saying he thinks Andy is weak. Or is it just a regular whiny quip? I ask this so I can put it in the real-world reference. --[[User:Jellote|Jellote wuz here]] 19:02, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

== Rake ==

It should be noted that the rake that Strongbad hits Homestar with isn't the same rake that Gardenboy holds in the sbemail "Yes, Wrestling".

== What we need is an image overhaul. ==

The image we use doesn't seem to sum up the email. I was thinking more along the lines of the blast-wavey saturn-ring explosion, but before the Lappy appears so not to ruin the surprise. The image of that existed at one point. Should we change it and, if so, where is the image now? --[[User:Jellote|Jellote wuz here]] 16:45, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
:That image was probably put there to avoid spoilers or something. We should probably change it. {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 16:47, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
::[[:File:lappysplosion.PNG|Is this the image you were talking about?]] {{User:Strongkinghomsarsmith/sig}} 16:55, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
:::I agree that we need to change the summary-image. We advertise it enough as a Strong Bad Email to make the current image a last-ditch effort to hide anything. Yet, the explosion itself is a bit of a spoiler. A picture of the Steak Sandwich would be a bit more fitting. --[[Special:Contributions/76.224.216.122|76.224.216.122]] 17:03, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
::::The steak sandwhich, too, is a one-off-joke-style image. Besides, the exlposion doesn't show the Lappy, so it is anyone's guess what is happening. It doesn't spoil much, or anything really.--[[User:Jellote|Jellote wuz here]] 17:26, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

== Disputed fact ==

I added the following to the remarks section:  
*The montage of Strong Bad's computers exploding does not feature the explosion from [[Biz Cas Fri 3]].  
and it was removed by another user, with the explanation "it's puppet stuff and would look out of place".  Now I know I'm a bit biased because I was the one who wrote it, and I'm not on here very often so I'm probably not as familiar as others with how this place works, but I don't think that's a good enough reason to hard-delete the fact.  I think even though there's an explanation for it, it's still notable, since as far as I can remember it's the only computer explosion not included in the scene.  What do you guys think?  -[[User:Ingiald|Ingiald]] 21:00, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

PS sorry if I come across as doing this just because I'm upset because my fact got deleted, That's probably a factor, but I also wanted to make sure this was handled the right way.  -[[User:Ingiald|Ingiald]] 21:00, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

:Strong Bad said that the explosions came from his 'very own computers', the computer used in Biz Cas Fri wasn't a computer he used, just one he owned or checked legit emails on. That could be a reason they didn't put it in. --[[User:SallyShally|SallyShally]] 00:45, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
::Also, because it's and not from a [[sbemail]], which all the rest are from. And it's puppet Strong Bad, not the real one. {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 00:47, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
:::I find it funny that the puppets, which used an actual computer in their toons, are in contrast to the "real" toons, which use an animated computer... {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 05:21, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

== I've been here for years ==

:''Homestar's repeating the phrase "Don't call it a comeback", is a reference to the first line of "[[WIkipedia:Mama Said Knock You Out (song)|Mama Said Knock You Out]]" by [[Wikipedia:LL Cool J|LL Cool J]].''
I'm not so sure. First of all, yes, both have the same five words, but the context is so different that I think it could just be a coincidence. In the song, we're told "don't call it a comeback" because he's trying to say that he never left. In the email, Strong Bad ''does'' call it a comeback because there was in fact long hiatus, and he has no problem calling it that. I don't know why Homestar doesn't want Strong Bad to call it a comeback. Maybe he thinks calling anything a comeback is lame. Maybe he doesn't want Strong Bad to make a comeback so that he, Homestar, can continue his own email show with no competition. In any case, without a mention of rap or a nod to the fact that Strong Bad's been here for years, I think it's just literal words, not a reference. If for some reason the joke were rephrased as "I." "Don't say you love grapes." "Love." "Don't say you love grapes." "Grapes!" "*sigh*", it would be exactly the same joke to me. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:33, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
:Agreed. I always understood it as Homestar wanting to continue being the email show guy. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 23:40, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

::I think it could be a reference.  I immediately thought of the song when I saw the toon and came here to check if the reference was already in place.  I don't think because the toon doesn't reference rap or being around for years that doesn't mean those five words can't mention a rap song.  For instance, these four recent news articles 
::# [http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/jul2009/tc20090730_553952.htm Motorola: Don't Call It a Comeback—Yet]
::# [http://industry.bnet.com/pharma/10003346/amgen-q2-dont-call-it-a-comeback-call-it-a-growth-story-in-more-ways-than-d-mab/ Amgen Q2: Don't Call It a Comeback, Call it a Growth Story (In More Ways Than D-Mab)]
::# [http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124880772148587627.html Don't Call It a Comeback? CMBS Re-Emerge]
::# [http://www.idahostatesman.com/business/story/837643.html Don't call it a comeback: Used SUVs rebound]
::have those five words in their titles and have nothing to do with rap songs and don't mention being here for years, but I still think they're referencing the song while talking about comebacks in other fields (finance, automobiles, cartoon emails, etc.)&nbsp;-- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 23:52, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
:::What also helps sell it as a reference is the rhythm of the words ("Don't ''call'' it a ''come''back") is same in both how Homestar says it and in the song. {{User:Wbwolf/sig}} 15:27, 26 August 2009 (UTC)