Editing Talk:Made-up Real Things

Um. It does appear everything on that list can be seen as just Strong Bad Email Spinoffs. The only thing not on that list is the switching of the gender of the Lappy, which may not be added on that page since it really isn't a 'spin-off'. '''Delete'''? At least until I hear an argument for it, I guess.--[[User:Silent|Silent]] 03:57, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
:'''Undelete! Undelete!''' There are more that were just made up in one or another 'toon that wasn't a sbemail. Besides, It's a stub. If it never gets past stub status, ''then'' and only then should we de-1337 it.

== is anyone thinking of new names ==

maybe: 

*bizzare changes, in the case of the lappy, anyway

made up stuff that are now real(or something of a similar nature):
*initially made up real things
*real stuff that was made up(tee hee, that sorta rhymes)

that's all i got right now.  no other ideas

{{User:Homsarstrongbad150/sig}} 01:34, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
:Hmm. I think the current name is still better than those. The last two of your suggestions are just the current name rearranged a little. The first suggestion doesn't really capture the spirit of the page. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 02:32, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

How about "Reality Transitions"? --[[User:Chipwich|Chipwich]] 02:33, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
:Please elaborate on why you think that would be a good name. I think it is somewhat vague. The current title, although whimsical, is a little more concrete, has a certain ring to it, and is kind of catchy. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 15:44, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

:Well, it isn't as whimsical: more mature, (no offense.) and It's shorter. The made-up things "transitioned" into real life. --It probably won't be supported; it was just a suggestion.  [[User:Chipwich|Chipwich]] 00:21, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
::Yes, it would be supported. '''Acceptance''' from --[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] 23:10, 18 December 2008 (UTC) univeristy.
:::I like it too. [[User:Omnisweater|Omnisweater]] 22:40, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
::::As I said above, please elaborate on ''why'' you think that would be a good name. I think it's a poor choice because it doesn't describe the items in the list as much as the process they must have undergone. In other words, the Gremlin is not a reality transition. Limozeen is not a reality transition. They may have ''undergone'' a reality transition, but each of them is something someone made up during a toon that later was shown as a real thing; in other words, a made-up real thing. Now, I'm not completely convinced Made-up Real Things is the best title, but the noun of the article title should directly describe the list items in a tangible way, and so in that sense it's superior to Reality Transitions. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:25, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::Okay, I understand.  [[User:Omnisweater|Omnisweater]] 00:36, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
"Fantasy Comes True"? {{User:Bad Bad Guy/sig}} 02:49, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
:Same problem, it doesn't describe the items in the list... in fact, it doesn't even describe anything. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 19:35, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

How about "Imaginative Things Made Real"? {{User:That_game_dude386/sig}} 19:41, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
:The things are imaginary, not imaginative... "Imaginary Things Made Real" would work. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 20:01, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
::Yeah. I like it. {{User:That_game_dude386/sig}} 20:06, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
:::I actually don't think it's THAT good, but it's better IMO than what we have now... {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 20:17, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
::::That's what I thought, too. {{User:That_game_dude386/sig}} 20:32, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::I don't think it's better than what we have now, because the things aren't imaginary. They're real now. "Made Real" suffers from the same problem "Transitions" and "Comes True" do. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:48, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

I think we need to isolate the problem with the current name before giving it a new name, so as to properly define the article. I think the problem is it's very confusing- Made-up Real Things, looking at it alone, doesn't explain clearly what the article's about- the name contradicts itself. I disagree with It's dot com on the subject of it describing the list- taken literally, it'd mean something that is both real and fictious ''at the same time''. Therefore, I would propose we find an article name that means, literally "Objects and characters of fictitious origin that have become real," rather than "Objects and characters of fictitious origin that are also real." {{User:That_game_dude386/sig}} 03:08, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
:The oxymoron in the original title was intentional. We witnessed these things being made up, and yet inexplicably those very things are later shown to be real. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 03:21, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
::One cannot be above and below something at the same time. Neither can something be real and ficticious at the same time. {{User:That_game_dude386/sig}} 03:58, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
::: But it CAN be fictitiously real! Really, the entire website is fictitious, so does it really matter? It seems REALLY wierd debating whether originally fictiitous, now-real, things in a fictitous cartoon are real or not. :P Just thinking litterrally, here. -[[User:Tizye96|Tizye96]]
::::GAH! The paradoxes! @_@ {{User:That_game_dude386/sig}} 04:04, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::Ya see what I mean? I'm lost. None of this makes sense. I like pie. My brain go boom. -[[User:Tizye96|Tizye96]]
::::::I don't think the point that something can't be real and fictitious at the same time holds water. For one, this is a website about dumb animal characters that occasionally shows Homestar with a mustache in the same scene as the regular Homestar. Second, these things aren't real and fictitious at the same time. If they're on this page, we're saying they're unequivocally real in the context of the main Homestar Runner universe&mdash;but that ''at one point'' they were made up. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 04:31, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::::How does this explanation work: "Things, or characters, that were originally presented as figments of another character's imagination that have later been seen to exist in that very same character's reality."? Now, that definition may be shortened to a title-sized statement- "Imaginary Things Found In Reality" or "Imaginary Things Made Real" would both sum up the enormous sentance in 5 words or less... why not use one of those names? {{User:That_game_dude386/sig}} 14:57, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
:Personally, I see nothing wrong with a childish name. I really don't see what we are doing. The humor in the title was intettional, so what is wrong?--[[User:Jellote|Jellote wuz here]] 20:11, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
::I've got an idea,how about "unreal things turning into real things" or "unreal characters coming to life".I think either one will work. {{User:Wasd98/sig}} 20:34, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
The following is a discussion I had on the IRC channel just now:
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<BBG> I noticed no one participated in the rename discussion for "Made-Up Real Things" since October 2009.  I don't have anything to contribute since I'm too used to the current name.  Can I close the discussion? <br>
<Dinoshaur> Made-Up Real Things is an awful title; let's discuss <br>
<BBG> Here or on the Talk page? <br>
<Dinoshaur> right here right now hit me <br>
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<BBG> Well, a title I just thought of is "Fantasies Coming True," but that's kinda already the name of an "Avenue Q" song. <br>
<BBG> By the way, do you already know what the article's about? <br>
<Dinoshaur> I don't what are you talking about <br>
<BBG> Well, the page is basically about characters and places "Homestar Runner" characters made up, who later became real characters and/or received real shows in their world. <br>
<BBG> For example, Strong Bad drew Trogdor in "dragon," and after a few years it became a real dragon. <br>
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<BBG> Or, Homestar told a story about a goblin in "Homestarloween Party," and now it's a real goblin that appeared in 7 of the 10 main Halloween specials so far. <br>
<Dinoshaur> Interesting <br>
<BBG> You know a good name for a page that talks about things like that? <br>
<Brooksie> "Things that a Character made up that ended up becoming finite in the imaginary world of Homestar Runner, colloquially known as Free Country, USA" <br>
<Brooksie> is that good <br>
<BBG> It'd take way too long for me to type. <br>
<SoiledBargains> The Goblin#Appearances <br>
<SoiledBargains> Err, wait. <br>
<Brooksie> but you could just use copy/paste <br>
<BBG> It sounds like too much a hastle for when I have to go to that article to make a relatively small change. <br>
<Brooksie> it's TtaCmuteubfitiwoHRckaFCA for short <br>
<SoiledBargains> Wait, what are we talking about right now? ^^;; <br>
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<BBG> We're *trying* to rename the article "Made-Up Real Things," which lists characters and places "Homestar Runner" characters made up that later became real characters and/or received real series in their world. <br>
<BBG> I did that all without copy/paste. <br>
<SoiledBargains> Hm... <br>
<SoiledBargains> The article title could contain "spinoffs" <br>
<SoiledBargains> But I have no idea what to put around it. <br>
<BBG> Sounds good, but I don't know what to put either. <br>
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<Dinoshaur> Give it some thought </blockquote>
Anyone know what to put around the "spinoffs" title? {{User:Bad Bad Guy/sig}} 23:31, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

== Cleanup ==

Do we need to clean up this page? Like apply the regular "<nowiki>[[Instance]] &mdash; Description</nowiki>" thing here? I think we should. {{User:Thy Not Dennis/sig}} 17:56, 29 April 2009 (UTC)



== Real-Made Things ==

Call it the thing i titled this. ---  [[User:POM Z|POM Z]] 18:20, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

== Onion Bubs ==

Since this is the first time I've visited the Wiki since September, there's a good ''Godfather III'' reference I can start off with, but I won't.  I'm here to question the fact most of the entries here only list when the thing was created, and when it was revealed to have become real.  [[Onion Bubs]]' entry, however, goes beyond that to list every single time he was confirmed to have been real.  This information can probably just go in Onion Bubs' article.  Should we shorten his entry or expand everything else? {{User:Bad Bad Guy/sig}} 19:02, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
:Not necessarily either. The length of description depends on how much word-write is needed to explain, not on the relative importance of a character, and if a character is progressively revealed as being real, it may take a longer explanation. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 23:22, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
::I need to know, why didn't "Dangeresque 3: The Criminal Projective" provide enough evidence that Onion Bubs is real?  Also, how can "Doomy Tales of the Macabre" finally prove its existence if its appearance happened entirely in Strong Sad's imagination? {{User:Bad Bad Guy/sig}} 16:15, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
:::Doomy Tales is questionable, yeah. Really, it didn't confirm that he was real; it gave him a speaking voice. And the "reality" of that is uncertain since all that stuff Strong Sad said may or may not have happened. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 16:48, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
::::Now, we must wonder: If Onion Bubs' process of becoming real truly was gradual, then adding every appearance it makes here suggests it hasn't completed yet.  And if Onion Bubs hasn't completed the process yet, then it might not actually be real.  Therefore, I think we should either determine a cutoff point or remove it altogether. {{User:Bad Bad Guy/sig}} 01:58, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::It definitely shouldn't be removed completely. Maybe the original appearance plus SBCG4AP is enough, though, since the process doesn't look to me to be as gradual as the original writeup suggested it was. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 02:36, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

== And how exactly is Strong Sad's book real? ==
While you classified that Onion Bubs became accepted as real in [[Doomy Tales of the Macabre]]. However, Strong Sad was writing the story all along, so unless you're implying it's real because Strong Sad mentioned it even though Strong Bad first mentioned it, then I don't really get it. However, it's already implied as real on [[dictionary]] and [[Dangeresque 3]], so why is it accepted as real on Tales of the Macabre? --{{User:Homsar Jean/sig}} 21:06, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
: This came up again today, and I'll state now that I agree with this - Strong Sad's story killed off half the cast and did awful things to the other half (and Coach Z remains Coach Z, but no sense beating a dead horse) - so why are we presuming that IT, of all things, counts as real, much less is the one that confirmed Onion Bubs real? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 17:17, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

== Gremlin==

Shouldn't the Gremlin be on this list? It was made up by Bubs the same time the goblin and the visor robot were invented.
:It used to be here, but I wasn't sure if the Gremlin from the story was the same one seen later.  Note it doesn't have any of the accessories that gave it "freakin' muscle." {{User:Bad Bad Guy/sig}} 16:11, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
::It's '''clearly''' the same vehicle. The real-life version didn't have all of Bubs's vivid imagination, but this is definitely the same vehicle. Restoring it. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 16:22, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

== Peacey P ==

I'm pretty confused over whether Strong Bad really made Peacey P up, or whether he was just trying to reference Free Country's pop culture in "TGS 13".  Currently, he doesn't have a spot on this page, but does he deserve one? {{User:Bad Bad Guy/sig}} 21:44, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
:Peacey P has never actually appeared in FC, USA. He has only been in TGS and PBtC to date, therefore, he probably isn't real at all and simply remains in the realm of Made-up Fake Things. [[Special:Contributions/66.51.249.18|66.51.249.18]] 03:48, 21 March 2010 (UTC)