Editing Talk:Sbemail 200 Fakeout

== Transcript ==
I claim the transcripting! [[User:Jedibob5|Jedibob5]] 23:51, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
:Go for it! {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 23:52, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
::Yeah, it's done. Wasn't so hard, mainly because it's really, really short, but there's my first transcript. [[User:Jedibob5|Jedibob5]] 00:14, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

== Play it Again, Back Button ==

Is this the first toon to feature a "Play Again" Button but no back button? [[User:20X6 GEM|20X6 GEM]] 00:50, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
:Doubt it. Can't think of anything else off the top of my head, though.
::Where would you go back to? The only way to reach this page is by typing the URL in directly. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:00, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
:::I don't think it's notable one way or the other. Do we really need to make comments on the presence of "Back" and "Play Again" buttons? They are called ''Fun'' Facts, after all. {{User:That Guy Over There/sig}} 00:32, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
::::It's a first, so I added it. There, no more debate.[[User:That game dude386|That game dude386]] 00:34, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
:::::Hey! Put it back!!![[User:That game dude386|That game dude386]] 00:37, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
::::::I think it's worth noting, as it doesn't look like a typical "again" button like they usually do. It's set as a background item for most of the cartoon, and cannot be clicked. It blends in perfectly with the page, and most wouldn't notice it otherwise. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 00:38, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Good point on it being inconspicuous. I'll change the fact into an Easter Egg. Gimme a sec...[[User:That game dude386|That game dude386]] 00:42, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
::::::::As a H*R first, I say that the Play Again/Back button relationship is worth noting. Please revoke the deletion.[[User:That game dude386|That game dude386]] 00:50, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::The buttons really have nothing to do with the cartoon. I have three "nay" votes - me, anonny, and It's Dot Com (if you scroll up, there's even a dispute as to whether it's a first at all). DorianGray, as far as I can tell, has only argued that the unique appearance should be noted, not the absence of a back button, and I'll agree with that. I see no consensus, however, that says it's notable that there's a "Play Again" button and no "Back" button. I say it stays off. {{User:That Guy Over There/sig}} 01:03, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::I think we should acknowledge the fact that the "Try Again" button serves as a replay button, but not as an Easter egg. I don't even think it needs to be a Fun Fact. I think it fits best {{p|l=http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Page_Load_Error&curid=44363&diff=590619&oldid=590613&rcid=548796 in the transcript}}. How does it look there? {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 01:21, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
Now ''that's'' the way to do it. {{User:That Guy Over There/sig}} 01:27, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Okay, somebody made it an Easter egg again. I really don't think it belongs there. It was better in the transcript. {{User:That Guy Over There/sig}} 21:27, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

== Name that Inconsistency ==

How can we best mention "Name that Inconsistency" to link with [[Inconsistencies within the Homestar Runner universe]], if at all? --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 04:53, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

:I added it on there. I put the best i could think of. If anyone changes it I'm fine with it.

== Flash File ==

veiwing the html file gives me the [[404'd]] page, but the flash file works [[User:Dr. Savage|Dr. Savage]] 23:28, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
:Both work fine for me.  {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 23:38, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
:: ok, both work now. (too lazy to log in) [[Special:Contributions/75.58.18.125|75.58.18.125]] 18:03, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

== Camping out ==

:''Camping out while waiting in line is a real practice of fan clubs, usually done while waiting for a major event (e.g. a major movie release, major sporting event, or for certain products, such as video games).''
I removed this because I don't think it really needs to be explained. Between all the examples listed, surely people are familiar with this practice. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:44, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
:I disagree. It was my understanding that we have long since abandoned the idea of not explaining references just because they're TOO well-known. I'm not even entirely convinced that it's famous enough to reasonably expect the majority of people to get it. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 17:54, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
::Yeah, there are still people out there who aren't familiar with camping out like that anyway. --{{User:Theyellowdart/sig}} 20:26, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
:::That's why I put it up there! {{User:That_game_dude386/sig}} 21:34, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
::::And at any rate, it is, by definition, a Real-World reference.{{User:That_game_dude386/sig}} 21:36, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
:::::No, by definition, it's an explanation, not a reference to anything specific. We're explaining the joke. Our practice is specifically ''not'' to do that unless we truly believe a large segment of readers won't get it. Between sporting events, movies (think ''Star Wars'', ''Harry Potter''), and game systems (PS3, Wii), I'm fairly certain just about everyone who watches the toon already knows why they're doing what they're doing. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:48, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
::::::It is a reference to the common practice and stereotype of anything with a large and obsessed enough fan-base. That seems specific enough to me to be a reference. A reference to a common real-world practice still qualifies as a real-world reference IMO. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 21:56, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
:::::::"Common practice" and "stereotype" are the opposite of specific. If we're speaking about fan bases in general then we're not being specific. Fun facts that fit the form "Real-life group X did action Y at place Z" are real-world references. Fun facts that fit the form "The H*R characters are doing action X for reason Y" are explanations. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:48, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
::::::::It still is a reference, as a referance in [[magic trick]] has the following: "Strong Bad claiming he will stand on Bubs' Concession stand for six days is a parody of endurance artists, most notably David Blaine." Obviously, David Blaine is not the only one doing it, and there are many more referances as such, therefore, if you must take action on this edit, give an example, not a deletion. And another thing, as there are many fake practices in the Homestar Runner universe (e.g. water ballon lawsuits), it'd be a good idea to mention the reality of this particular practice, and not assume that "everyone knows this". That defeats the purpose of this Wiki. ...So, may I please have my edit back? Please? {{User:That_game_dude386/sig}} 23:23, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::Everything up to "most notably David Blaine" is an explanation. That last clause is what pushes it to be a reference. In the case of fans camping out, there's no one example that is any more notable than another. The reason we have a threshold for explanations is that if we explained ''everything'', our articles would be overrun with information the vast majority of people already know, and it's poor form to explain the joke. The question is, do we really think people are out there who are watching this toon and completely not getting it? (Note, I'm talking about a sizeable chunk of the intended audience; I'm not concerned with those one or two people who never get anything.) The fact should not be replaced until more people have had a chance to weigh in. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:01, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::Fine. You win. I'll stop nagging, and have this [[pizza trophy]] as proof. {{User:That_game_dude386/sig}} 01:47, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

== It WAS new, wasn't it? ==

Why was this never featured on the "What's New?" Menu on the front page? I found it by accident suspecting something like the "not email 100" thing was available. Also, don't these qualify for being secret pages? {{User:NFITC1/sig}} 17:19, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
:What's New? No. Secret Page? Yes.{{User:That_game_dude386/sig}} 21:38, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
::Care to explain your opinion? Do you believe that a secret page should not be in "What's New"? Is there policy backing up your opinion? Or were you just simply stating that this wasn't on that page. Either way, you haven't answered the original question. Why?
:::It's moot now, it's not new anymore. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 19:30, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

== Name change from "Page Load Error" to "NOT the 200th Email!"?! ==

I remember that the sbemail teaser page for email 100 was called "NOT the 100th Email!", should we do the same here?

-[[Special:Contributions/70.244.112.226|70.244.112.226]] 17:32, 22 September 2008 (UTC) (Everybody! , who forgot to $%#^&@* log in again...! >:( )

:That was because that's what the Page title was called. This page's title is "Page Load Error" so we'll leave it at that. {{User:NFITC1/sig}} 17:34, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

==Claiming sbemail 200's transcript==

I'd love to make sbemail 200 my first, but... if I don't claim it now, it'll be taken... can I claim it here, now?{{User:That_game_dude386/sig}} 23:12, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
:Nope. You have to get it when it comes out. Think about it: if you could claim transcripts in advance, what if you were sleeping when the toon you claimed was released? The wiki'd have to wait for you to wake up. Wiki doesn't wait that long, I'm afraid. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 23:38, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
::No fair! Aw, well, I didn't think so. It was worth a shot. I'll just take one for the team, then. {{User:That_game_dude386/sig}} 23:48, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
:::If you want to transcribe something, get the DVDs and [[HRWiki:DVD commentary transcripts|transcribe some commentary]]!  {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 04:54, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

==The Perplexing Typo==
The question "Did you grandma?" appears to be a typo of either "Did your grandma?" or "Did you, grandma?", however, there is no way to tell which. Apparently that's not all this increadible typo could mean, so I need your help: What does it mean, and should it be a Fun Fact? {{User:That_game_dude386/sig}} 01:40, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
:I assume simplicity. It means "Did you grandma?" and no, there's no real point in putting this in the facts section. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 01:52, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
::It's random crap, which is so commonplace in Homestar Runner cartoons that it's not worth noting. Besides, unless you can read either Matt or Mike Chapman's mind, we'll never know whether it was intended that way or a typo. {{User:That Guy Over There/sig}} 03:13, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

== REAL page load error? ==

I don't know if this is just me... but when I try to play this toon it always stops after the "name the inconsistency" line. Is anyone else having this problem? {{User:Acam30/sig}} 02:52, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

It's not just you...And I haven't been able to get much of anything else on the website to load.  Has homestarrunner.com been slashdotted?? :( [[Special:Contributions/76.114.174.169|76.114.174.169]] 14:38, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
:There was a server malfunction, which has since been fixed. --{{User:DENNIS/sig}} 22:03, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

==Button Easter egg or remark==

Don't know if this is worth mentioning, but at the end of the toon if you press the try again it starts it over...
--{{User:djm1791/sig}} 02:27, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
:Yes, it's already listed. {{User:Acam30/sig}} 02:30, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
::Should this be listed as an Easter egg or just a remark? &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:42, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
:::It was originally in the transcript, but i didn't like it there either. I'd lean towards easter egg, just because remark seems like too much of an understatement to what it is... even though calling it an egg is a bit of an overstatement, it's closer to egg than remark. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 18:40, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
::::"Play Again" buttons have never been classified as Easter eggs. I realize this one ''looks'' different, but that's exactly what it is. It belongs in the transcript. {{User:That Guy Over There/sig}} 21:31, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

==Relation to [[Not the 100th email!!!]]==
Simone named That Guy Over There claimed that it was already listed. Me no see where. {{User:That_game_dude386/sig}} 13:41, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
:It's under [[Page Load Error#See Also|"See Also"]]. {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 13:54, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
::You'll also notice in the Remarks section it says, "This toon, similar to Not the 100th Email!!!, uses the URL 'sbemail200', while the real 200th email has an irregular URL like flashback's." {{User:That Guy Over There/sig}} 16:34, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
:::"See also" refers to toons of simmalar subject, I mean, the relationship between the two is stronger than  this toon and SBemail 150?!?. It's like "Fast Forward"... only "Rewind". {{User:That_game_dude386/sig}} 20:24, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
::::There's really no point. That'd be like saying that every Puppet Stuff toon is a successor to the last one. The connection to "Not the 100th Email!!!" is pretty obvious and it's already been stated. Beyond that, the fact that the toons are similar doesn't make this one the "successor" to the previous one. {{User:That Guy Over There/sig}} 23:29, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

== Outside the lines ==

I used the tab key and found the "Try Again" button click spot goes outside the lines
<p>[[File:outside_the_lines.jpg]]
<br>See?
--[[User:Pgj1997|Pgj1997]] 22:18, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
:Hmmm... at first I thought it was an artifact of the tab trick. The area for that button does slightly extend outside of the left and top edges. I suppose it's something we can put in the Remarks. {{User:Soiled Bargains/sig}} 22:33, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
::That's decidedly not necessary for every back button on the [[Compy 386]]. I don't think this one-pixel row is worth mentioning either. {{User:The Knights Who Say Ni/sig}} 19:03, 7 February 2011 (UTC)