Editing Talk:Hanna-Barbera

== This, that, and a whole lot of other stuff ==
I realize a lot of work has been put into this page, but it seems to me that every single reference listed here is either speculation or [[TTATOT]], and thus it would be a real stretch to say that they were specifically referencing Hanna-Barbera, intentionally or otherwise. I think every entry in the article as it stands now should be removed, and if no legitimate examples can be found, the article itself should be deleted. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 03:50, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
: It may be TTATOT now, but most of the things were created by Hanna-Barbera, and it's clear on some of the facts that it is intended to be a reference, mainly Scooby-Doo and the Bands of the 70's having cartoons. I say '''keep''' --{{User:Slipstream/sig}} 03:54, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
::Someone will also need to go through [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php/Special:Search?search=barbera&fulltext=Search these articles] and check the references.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 03:55, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
:::Exactly, if this article is deleted because of TTATOT, those Real World References will need to be deleted too.--{{User:Slipstream/sig}} 03:59, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
::Okay, I'll give you Scooby-Doo. That one's clear. As for the rest, I challenge all of them as legitimate references. They should ''all'' be removed from the various articles. As for this page, even Scooby-Doo is just a reference to one cartoon, not Hanna-Barbera itself. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 04:04, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
:::I looked at all those "references" now, and while some do sound plausible (the repeating background, for example), they all sound like a stretch and aren't clear enough references. Some are outright stretches. I agree with Dot com: they should all be deleted from the respective articles except for the Scooby Doo ref. And This article should be '''deleted'''.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 04:08, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
::::Speaking of the repeating background, we do have a tradition of explaining the ultimate origin of some things (like Jeeves), so I don't have as big a problem with that one in the [[little animal]] article (although it should be reworded). For the purposes of this article, however, it's not an outright reference to Hanna-Barbera, and thus doesn't really count. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 04:14, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
:::::Move all legitimate and unspeculative references to appropriate toon article RWR sections and '''delete'''. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 15:38, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
::::::Yeah, I'd say everything except the [[highschool]] reference to Scooby Doo can be considered [[TTATOT]] (go links!). {{User:Bluebry/sig}} 16:20, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
:::::::The Scooby Doo (et al.) ref in the high school is pretty solid, as is the Roman Holidays ref.  The later was confirmed in the commentary for the email.  However, that's only two (if we're being generous).  Unless someone can come up with another ref, I'm changing my vote to '''delete'''. {{User:Wbwolf/sig}} 02:24, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Even if the Scooby-Doo reference is pretty certain, it is not enough for an entire page so I say '''delete''' the whole page and add the Scooby-Doo bit to a different page like a TV references page or something.  --[[User:Acam30|Acam30]] 18:22, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
:I'm sure it's in the [[highschool#Real-World References|highschool Fun Facts section]]... {{User:Bluebry/sig}} 19:18, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
:Well then shouldn't we just delete the whole page without merging anything?  --[[User:Acam30|Acam30]] 23:40, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
::I disagree, this looks like a valid page. '''keep''' {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 23:41, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
:::Looking over the refs, the ones for [[high school]], [[theme park]], and [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 8]] are already part of their respective pages.  The others are TTOTAT, but that's still three references, which is the minimum required for a page.  Besides, aren't there references to Huckleberry Hound elsewhere? '''weak keep''' {{User:Wbwolf/sig}} 16:26, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
we don't need a merge, just deletion. {{User:Slipknot6477/sig}} 15:16, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
:Wbwolf: I think those two items need to be discussed. I mean, I'm pretty sure there's already two or three other possible references to the shark suggested by users and annonies alike. Which would most likely mean it's TTATOT, unless there was a STRONG connection. And the Puck doesn't seem like any sort of reference. I mean, you expect a tire mascot to NOT look like a hockey puck? It's not a reference. {{User:Bluebry/sig}} 20:21, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
::I've gone to the liberty of erasing what was clearly unnecessary, such as the loop technique and a sound effect.--{{User:SantanaHomerunner/sig}} 20:48, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
:::Now that I look at the essentials, it looks good. '''Keep''' --{{User:SantanaHomerunner/sig}} 20:49, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
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Image:PeterPuck.jpg
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::::You make the connection. I think they're pretty similar.--{{User:SantanaHomerunner/sig}} 21:09, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
:::::I only see one similarity, i don't think there similar.--{{User:Kanjiro/sig}} 21:16, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
::::::Yes, they are similar. But it's obviously a coincidence. How can you make a Tire mascot WITHOUT it looking like [[:Image:PeterPuck.jpg|this?]] The center circle of the Tire is caused by the fact that tires have a big gaping hole in the middle. The mouth wouldn't be able to fit on the outer rim (plus, it would look stupid and very odd. And strange. And abnormal. Thank God for thesauruses.) And don't forget that Pete<!--nickname!!--> has small legs and Homestar has very long legs (even though he could've fit into the costume in small legs). And also, TBC were pretty much BORN along with Peter Puck, and most likely don't remember him. They're from Georgia, in the southern US. As a southerner (yee-haw), we're not very crazy about hockey (although I like it, myself) and I don't think that a 3 and 6 year old would be huge fans. {{User:Bluebry/sig}} 21:21, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
:::::::Agreed.--{{User:Kanjiro/sig}} 21:24, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
::::::::Yeah, I think it's a coincidence. {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 21:36, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
:::::::I do want to point out that the Brothers Chaps are not originally from Georgia but Indiana, which does happen to be hockey territory.  Moreover, it is plausible that they could've seen the CBC broadcasts where they saw Peter Puck.  Does this change anything?  Not really.  As you state, it could all be coincidence.  Personally, I don't see how useful a page on H-B references would be, especially since it's not a strong thread as, say, [[Nintendo]].  That's why I used "weak keep," since it seems to meet the minimum requirements (perhaps), but I'm not opposed to having the page go away.{{User:Wbwolf/sig}} 02:09, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Well, since this page has been pared down to two legitimate references (from the same toon, even), I think it's clear that it should be '''deleted'''. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 02:19, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
:I agree. It's become too small now, and only has one reference (I count it as one toon, one reference). {{User:Bluebry/sig}} 02:29, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
::'''Delete''' already. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 07:22, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

== Reconsider? ==

With the inclusion of Captain Caveman costume in the latest Halloween cartoon, should we reopen discussion on whether there is enough for a Hanna-Barbera article?  Since the article was deleted, we have since added [[Disney]] and [[Nickelodeon]] articles, largely based on their inclusion in Halloween toons.  I think we might have the enough solid refs now. {{User:Wbwolf/sig}} 05:31, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
:It looks like it's back, so let's discuss away. Those supporting its inclusion really will need to make a case (otherwise I think we have to default to the old consensus, which is delete). So, commence discussion. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 02:41, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
::Since the last incarnation of the page, several more references have alighted. I think discussion is wise at this point. I think, finally, enough references have been made to consider this page's worth. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:46, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
:::This article contains four legitimate references to Hanna-Barbera, that's good enough for it to deserve an article. All that's left is an intro and maybe relevant See Also links. If we're allowed articles on Disney and Nickelodeon, why not the classic Hanna-Barbera toons? '''Keep.''' {{User:The Chort/sig}} 20:22, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
::::This is a good example of how a deleted article can make a comeback. It think it should be kept. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 20:53, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
:::::I think these references are too valid to justify a deletion. {{User:Bad Bad Guy/sig}} 18:03, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
It's been a week since someone last posted.  Can we close discussion? {{User:Bad Bad Guy/sig}} 22:55, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
::::::It seems like it is closed. there's no consensus to delete. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 23:21, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

== Limozeen in Space ==

Is it fair to call it a parody of ''Josie and the Pussycats in Outer Space'', or is that too narrow a scope? {{User:Bad Bad Guy/sig}} 22:03, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

== The Sweepstakes Shall Be Mine! ==

I fail to see the resemblance between [http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:WmfB3wB0npwEUM:http://www.80stees.com/images/email/gargamel.gif Gargamel] and the wizard from the [[web comics]] Secret Collect toon.  Is it possible to explain it to me? {{User:Bad Bad Guy/sig}} 20:39, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

== Only a parody of Scooby-Doo? ==

I think the [[Mysfit-steries|high school]] might be a broader parody than just Scooby-Doo. They seem to be based off the old Hannah-Barbera formula of "group of teenagers with a gimmick stop crime". Unlike Mystery Inc., they have a band gimmick, and they don't all match up to specific Scooby characters. Marzipan and Strong Mad as Daphne and Velma are unmistakable, but Strong Bad just seems to be the token "odd one out", not a wacky coward like Shaggy. --[[Special:Contributions/63.246.240.133|63.246.240.133]] 17:54, 1 August 2013 (UTC)