Editing Talk:Drive-Thru Whale

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== Delete? ==

Please '''don't delete''' this! I spent a long time on this. I always create stuff and it always gets deleted. I'll do anything if you don't delete this. It is one of the main reasons in a toon. It fits all the things a page needs to have. It even has it's picture. If it was part of the comment, I can change it.
:I agree. I don't know why the delete template was put up without comment, anyway. It's a major part of a toon, and I see no reason to delete it. {{User:Dr._Clash/sig}} 19:33, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
::I see no reason to remove the delete tags without a full discussion. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:46, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
:::I think it fits all the things it needs to have. Even Dr.Clash Agrees with me. Why would you delete. Even ask Dr.CDlash or anyone else (maybe not [[User:Phlip|Phlip]] ) and they will agree that it should not be deleted.  {{User:Sam the Man/sig}}
::::I know there's no reason to remove the tags wothout discussion, but is there a reason to put them there without discussion, either. {{User:Dr._Clash/sig}} 19:59, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
:::::1) Stop begging not to have your page deleted. That's ''very, very'' annoying. Nonetheless... 2) I think this is a perfectly legit article. It's an item that plays a major part in [[Drive-Thru]]. So, '''DON'T DELETE''' --{{User:TotalSpaceshipGuy3/sig}} 19:59, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
::::::'''Maybe don't delete it.''' I haven't decided yet. But at the very least, it needs a serious rewrite. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 20:01, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
:::::::Find a place to '''merge''' it to until it gets another appearance. --[[User:Crazyswordsman|Crazyswordsman]] 20:03, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
::::::::Originally I was going to add a mention to [[The Field]], but there doesn't seem to be any room for that... --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 20:05, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::Look I'm not whining anymore but all the people agree. You should consider it, It's dot com. {{User:Sam the Man/sig}}
::::::::::You ''aren't whining''?! "''Please don't delete this! I spent a long time on this. I'll do anything if you don't delete this.''". That certainly sounds like whining. --{{User:TotalSpaceshipGuy3/sig}} 20:44, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::::Is it okay if delete to be deleted tag? {{User:Sam the Man/sig}}
:::::::::::::Nope. Let an administrator do it. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:25, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
::::::::::::I say '''delete''' it.  I mean, I'll wait to see if it comes up again, but I don't think that we really need this page.--{{User:DongleGoblin/sig}} 21:00, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::::::'''Keep'''. It's significant enough for article in my mind since it's a central part of the short. I don't think we need to hold specific items like this to the same standard as generic items (i.e., pizza, ducks etc.) or running gags in terms of needing multiple appearances. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 21:06, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
::::::::::::::There are tons of items on [[Items]] that've only been seen once, anyway. Heck, [[Doreauxgard]]'s only been seen once, and look how we treat him. Definitely '''KEEP'''. {{User:Dr._Clash/sig}} 21:14, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::'''Keep''', for above reasons. Additionally, I wouldn't be surprised if this fellow shows up again in another toon, if only as a cameo. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 21:20, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::I also say '''keep''' it.  It's an important enough element of the toon to merit its own page.  A rewrite might not be a bad idea though.  Has anyone posted a clear, specific reason why it's even been nominated for deletion???  ([[User:Some kind of scientist|Some kind of scientist]] 21:28, 19 March 2007 (UTC))
:::::::::::::::::Say that to Phlip. He was the one who nominated it for deletion. {{User:Sam the Man/sig}}
::::::::::::::::::'''KEEP'''. I don't think I need to restate what has already been said. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 21:43, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
:(Re-Indenting) '''Keep''' again!  I say keep again! --{{User:Theyellowdart/sig}} 22:49, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
:: '''Wait'''. I think it might make another appearance. Maybe. We should get some votes before we take action. --[[User:Collin Diver|Collin Diver]] 23:12, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
::: '''Note:''' I added the {{tl|tbd}} template because it's the sort of borderline-notable topic that deserves a "should we keep this" discussion... I don't really have an opinion one way or the other, I just put the template there so that the discussion would happen... note that the template says "is being considered for deletion" &ndash; which is exactly what this discussion is doing. I didn't start the discussion when I put the template up, because it was late at night, I was tired, and wasn't really capable of forming coherent arguments... so I went to bed in the knowledge that when I came back the discussion would have started without me. That the consensus seems to be "keep it" is fine by me. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 00:59, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
::::No please! I have no idea whats going on but I read the first and second to last comment! Dont kill off the Drive-thru Whale page! He's my favorite! I learned some good crap about him when I read this page! Please dont delete it! Okay... I'm done.... ^-^ [[User:65.34.72.52|65.34.72.52]] 23:04, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
:::::This is also in SBCG4AP, so please '''keep it''' to let people find out what it is without having to read the page on that toon. [[User:Joanassie|Joanassie]]
::::::Yeah. This discussion is old. The ''delete/discuss'' template isn't on the page anymore. You might also notice the box at the top of this page &mdash; this is actually a featured article at this point. So, fear not. {{User:GreenHelmet/sig}} 03:22, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

== Character? ==

Should the drive-thru whale be considered a character? Specifically, do we think that the source of the voice is (a) the whale itself, (b) someone inside the whale, or (c) someone somewhere else whose voice comes through the loudspeaker inside the whale. Relevant to this discussion are the following pieces of data:
#The whale speaks as if it is merely a loudspeaker.
#In one scene, the camera looks out from the inside of the whale's mouth.
#The whale eats the lobster.
#The whale launches itself into [[Outer Space]].
&#35;1 seems to suggest conclusion (c), #2 and #4 seem to suggest conclusion (b), and #3 seems to suggest conclusion (a). I realize that any result we come up with is going to be speculation, but I think it's a necessary thing to discuss so that we know whether to classify it as a [[Characters|character]], an [[Unseen Characters|unseen character]], or an [[Items|item]]. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 22:20, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
:This is tough, as it doesn't fit neatly into one category.  I'd say "Character" is the best fit.  It seems self-aware enough to interact with other characters, and clearly has its own wants and needs in life--specifically to cause dismemberment and eat a space lobster.([[User:Some kind of scientist|Some kind of scientist]] 22:32, 19 March 2007 (UTC))

::Yeah, I think I agree with you &mdash; in fact, I think that the joke might be that throughout the whole short, Strong Bad thought it was simply a drive-thru device, but after he left it turned out to be a creature (evidenced by the lobster-eating and space-launching). {{User:Trey56/sig}} 22:41, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

:::I believe it to be a pseudocharacter, only because (from [[Pseudocharacters]])...
:::<blockquote>Pseudocharacters are items in the Homestar Runner universe that at some time or another are treated (and in some cases behave) as real characters. They variously talk, move, and interact with the main characters and the audience. Most pseudocharacters are totally depicted as inanimate objects except for a handful of appearances.</blockquote> 
:::Even The Paper, which could answer commands, get sick, etc. is called a pseudocharacter. --{{User:Techgeekmbg/sig}} 20:12, 16 June 2007 (UTC)


== Mailbox ==

Does any one else see a slight connection between the drive-thru whale and [[The Mailbox]]?  Both of them are alone in the middle of a feild, apparently far away from the buildings they should be close to.--{{User:DongleGoblin/sig}} 03:05, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
:It's true. Maybe we should put a link to the Mailbox. {{User:Sam the Man/sig}}

== Sweetie Cakes! ==

After the mini-golf email, can we count this whale as a Sweet Cuppin Cakes character? [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 22:26, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
:I mean, can we add this article to a Sweet Cuppin' Cakes category? [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 22:32, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

At least wait 'til the whale has another apparance along side Eh! Steve and the others. It could just be a one off after all. [[User:MJN SEIFER|MJN SEIFER]] 20:16, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

== Sketchbook vs. mini-golf ==

How is the [[:Image:Drive-Thru Putt Place.png|mini-golf image]] better than [[:Image:Sketchbook 3-22-2007.png|Sketchbook one]]? The mini-golf image is very similar to the one that's always been the page, making it redundant. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 02:01, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
:That was my first reaction, too.  Yet with the current image it shows that it's in the Sweet Cuppin' Cakes universe, as well as the Homestar Runner universe.  Honestly, I thought it was fine before.. but I also think it's fine now.  {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 02:09, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
::But isn't the Sketchbook image more important? I mean, it shows his evolution. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 02:41, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
:::Nah, i have always thought that actual images are more important than sketchbook ones. (Sketchbook images aren't REALLY part of the evolution... just background) {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 02:50, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
=== Maybe Blubb-O's? ===
Now that the whale has become a mascot instead of a Sweet Cuppin' Cake, is the mini-golf image still relevant, or should it be replaced with a Blubb-O's-related picture? [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 23:03, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
:Makes sense to me, it's been seen as such 3 times, whereas it was only in cuppin once. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 23:06, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

== Rename ==

[[Blubb-o's Whale]] end of story. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 17:16, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
:Superb justifications! Anyways, agree. It's clearly Blubb-o's's mascot. --[[User:Sysrq868|Sysrq868]] 17:42, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

::Or, is the whale's name actually [[Blubb-o]]? {{User:Trey56/sig}} 17:49, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
:::You guys know that TBC only did this to screw with us... they like to keep us HRWikians on our toes... {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 17:50, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
::::Trey: Didn't the bag say "You guessed it... '''We''''re called Blubbo-o's!", referring to the fastfood place instead of its mascot? --[[User:Sysrq868|Sysrq868]] 18:04, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::Of course, but who could Blubbo be other than a blubbery whale? On a somewhat related note, "Blubba" and "Baron von Blubba" are the names of two whales in ''[[Wikipedia:Bubble Bobble|Bubble Bobble]]'' &mdash; not saying it's a reference, just that it made me think of that great game. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 18:40, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
::::::Trey, those guys aren't whales... {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 21:04, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::::They's bubble dragons.  =]  {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 21:06, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
::::::::No, click on the link, and search the page for "Blubba" &mdash; you'll see that they are indeed whales. I'm not talking about the heroes; I'm talking about two enemies. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 23:47, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::But, um, back to the back to the article. I think [[Blubb-o's Whale]] would be better, since despite that the whale's name would be Blubb-o's or whatever, he still IS the mascot for a restaurant called Blubb-o's. So, regardless of what his name is, it's still the Blubb-o's Whale. --[[User:Sysrq868|Sysrq868]] 10:11, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
::::::::::I disagree &mdash; to me, it's fairly evident that Blubb-o is the whale's name, so it's redundant to call him Blubbo's whale. It's like if a guy named Jerry owned a tire store called "Jerry's Tires", and everybody referred to him as "the Jerry's Tires owner" because they couldn't figure out his name. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 13:49, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::::Trey: Like many food mascots, the whale's name is most likely to be named in something similar to the restaurant (i.e. Ronald McDonald for McDonald's). He's name could be "Blubb-o Blub", "Bill Blubb-o" or anything else for that matter. The best way we can describe in this now, is [[Blubb-o's Whale]]. So, yes, I support the move. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 16:35, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
:Maybe the DVD commentary for [[Drive-Thru]] would be helpful.  For the sake of everyone, partial commentary beginning from when SB hits the drive-thru whale:

'''STRONG BAD:''' So, uh... This&mdash; This was really unsettling, Mike.

'''MIKE:''' The... drive-thru whale?

'''STRONG BAD:''' Yeah.  Wha&mdash; I&mdash; Was he from some type of a seafood restaurant or something?

'''MIKE:''' Uh... that serves whale?

'''STRONG BAD:''' Ugh!

'''MIKE:''' ''{laughing}''  Why would you&mdash;

'''STRONG BAD:''' Maybe.  Maybe that'd be good.  Blubber sandwiches.

'''MIKE:''' Yeah.

'''STRONG BAD:''' Blubb-o's, maybe it'd be called.  ''{pause}''  Um, but later on, doesn't this guy show up in Sweet Cuppin' Cakes land?

'''MIKE:''' He does.

:So, here's how I see it.  Clearly the mascot came before the name of the restaurant, and it seems the name of the restaurant was decided based on the type of sandwiches that might be sold and not based on the mascot.  So, until TBC come right out and tell us what this whale's name is, I opine that we <s>keep it at what Mike called it ([[Drive-Thru Whale]]) or</s> rename it [[Blubb-o's Whale]].  {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 16:46, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
::Perhaps "Blubb-o The Whale? {{User:Sam the Man/sig}} 20:01, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
:::I oppose renaming it. I would argue that "drive-thru whale" is what TBC use to describe it, and so should we. Renaming it [[Blubb-o's Whale]] is not an improvement in my opinion. Also, any guesses on its actual name (if any) should not be in the article and especially not in the title.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 22:41, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
::::Agree with '''no rename''', per Loafing. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 22:49, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::'''I see no reason to change its name.''' Strong Bad refers to it as a "crackly drive-thru whale," in [[Drive-Thru]] Just because it appeared on a bag of food does not mean we should rename it. I really think that the Drive-Thru Whale is just the mascot or icon for Blubbo's.--[[User:Onestop|ONESTOP]] 23:18, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
::::::I've already said that either keeping the name as-is ''or'' calling it [[Blubb-o's Whale]] would be fine.  But, I've since decided that '''the name ought to be changed'''.  Why?  Because the whale is the mascot whether or not it is the drive-thru speaker.  Consider its appearance on [[:Image:blubb-o's bag.png|the bag]] in [[nightlife]].  No pole coming out from beneath it, no speaker in its teeth.  So, regarding importance, it's a mascot first, a drive-thru speaker second.  {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 23:53, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::::'''I agree'''. "Drive-Thru Whale" is no longer a satisfactory name for what this is, as it has been clearly used as something more than just a drive-thru device.-[[User:StarLion|StarLion]] 00:10, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
::::::::Why not split the difference and call it The Blubb-o's Mascot?--[[User:66.184.136.68|66.184.136.68]] 02:34, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::Without a clearer definition of what Blubb-o's is, we should just leave this article where it is. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 00:25, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
::::::::::If the only thing it's been definitely called, by Mike and/or Strong Bad, so far is "Drive-Thru Whale", then that's what the name should stay, at least for the time being.  -[[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 02:13, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::::This character is a drive-thru speaker to take your order. It might just be moddled after the Blubb-o's mascot. '''I would rename it Blubb-o's Drive-Thru Whale'''.--[[User:Onestop|ONESTOP]] 16:57, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
::::::::::::Too long, Clanky, too long! --{{User:Sysrq868/sig}} 17:33, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
I think that this article '''should be renamed''' to [[Blubb-o's Whale]]. We can't really call it "Drive-Thru Whale" anymore, mainly because we have found what restaurant it is a mascot for.

Let's take Ronald McDonald for an instance. If I didn't know the name of him or McDonald's, I'd call it simply Burger Place Clown. If I then learnt that the Burger Place Clown is a mascot for a restaurant called McDonald's, I'd start calling it the McDonald's Clown, since it's much more descriptive. Simple as that.

Then we have the whale. We don't know it's name for sure, and we didn't know the restaurant name, so we called it simply Drive-Thru Whale. Then we learnt that the Drive-Thru Whale is a mascot for a restaurant called Blubb-o's, and now you can do the math.

Now, if in some future toon the whale's name was revealed for good, it should obviously be renamed to that. But until that, a rename to [[Blubb-o's Whale]] would be the best choice. --{{User:Sysrq868/sig}} 17:33, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

:Personally, I vote '''leave it'' until there's a bit more to know.  For one thing, the redirecting and rewriting of all the places that link here would be an epic battle.  Until we're sure, leave it at the place of least effort.  And recall, TBC may throw us a real slippery one and give us another random reference to it.  I know, there's peobably no evidence for them doing it before, but I have a feeling...--[[User:Gaeamil|Gaeamil]] 12:38, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
::The arguments for renaming it [[Blubbo's Whale]] are indisputable.  Call that an opinion if you want, but I haven't seen one compelling reason for it to stay the same.  In response to Heimstern, we do know what Blubb-o's is: it's a restaurant (as evidenced by the bag of greasy fast food that says "You guessed it...we're called Blubb-o's").  In response to Loafing and DAGRON, let's say TBC had decided right from the beginning to put a name tag on the whale that said, "Hi, my name is Jeeves."  We would name the page "Jeeves" and Mike and/or Strong Bad would still be accurate in calling it a "drive-thru whale".  In response to Gaeamil, a move isn't that hard.  This one seems pretty easy, as a matter of fact; only about 30 pages have both the words "drive-thru" and "whale" within them.  Finding and replacing links wouldn't be hard at all.  Later, if they identify the whale as "Jeeves" or something, same deal.  We've got plenty of willing people to do the work; I for one would do it.  {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 16:55, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
:::'''Rename''' for args presented above. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 22:20, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
::::WAYYY AHEAD OF YA. I ACTUALLY CREATED THE LINK!!!!! GO BLUBB-O'S!!!! [[User:Homdude717|Homdude717]]
----

So here is where we stand now. I counted the voices for each opinion, and here is the current status:
*For keeping the current name: Loafing, DorianGray, ONESTOP, Heimstern, DAGRON and Gaemil.
*For renaming it Blubb-o's Whale: DeFender1031, Sysrq868, E.L. Cool, OptimisticFool, StarLion,  Qermaq, and Homdude717.
*For renaming to something else: Trey56 (Blubb-o), Sam the Man (Blubb-o The Whale) and ONESTOP (Blubb-o's Drive-Thru Whale at one point).
So this present us with a tie of 6-6 (and 3 people for other renames) to each opinion. I do remind you that this is not a vote, but trying to reach consensus. Are there any more arguments to each side anyone would like to share so we can decide on the fate of this article? {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 13:14, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
:Umm. I vote ... '''keep until revealed.''' {{User:Justin Master of Nature/sig}} 23:32, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
::Here's another thing to consider: We're taking the idea to rename the article from a very brief cameo of the whale (not even that, really, just a picture of him) that exists almost as an inside joke in [[nightlife]]. The older term [[Drive-Thru Whale]], by contrast, describes his function in the one and only toon where he plays a really substantial role: [[Drive-Thru]]. That's why I don't put much stock in the argument that Drive-Thru Whale is inadequate as a title. Furthermore, it's been used by Strong Bad in that one toon and in the commentary. So I do not think a rename is needed. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 00:10, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
:::The Whale will most-definitely be shown again, and at one point may be named. Both Drive-Thru Whale and Blubb-o's Whale are generic names, and Drive-Thru Whale is at least for sure what the whale really is. The whale may not be called the Blubb-o's whale, but it ''is'' a drive-thru whale, as you can tell from the way it talked in [[Drive-Thru]]. Plus, more people on this wiki have known it as the [[Drive-Thru Whale]] for several months. I say we '''keep the current name''' until we here it be called a certain name by someone. {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 00:30, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
::::'''Keep as Drive-Thru Whale'''. "Blubb-o's Whale" makes it sound like a whale that belongs to some guy named Blubb-o. Which could be true if the founder of the Blubb-o's restaurant is actually named Blubb-o, but I digress. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 00:42, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::I '''agree with everything Homestar-winner said,''' for all the reasons he gave. We should keep the current name until we have a little bit more to go on. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:36, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Just a random thought- if he(/she/it) has had a QotW, doesn't that mean it's in the XML for that somewhere...edit: guess not. [[User:69.145.66.213|69.145.66.213]] 06:35, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

:I seem to remember it being listed as just "drivethru" in the XML file, though I could be mistaken. -{{User:YK/sig}} 07:21, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
::That's correct; I saved this particular XML file in the hopes of using it. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 07:25, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Right, based on Elcool's brief overview of what people think and the posts after that, it is obvious that we have not come to a consensus to move it during a two months long discussion. This means we default to keeping the name as it is.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 04:21, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
:It's worth noting that, even in the logo, the whale speaks in the drive-thru voice. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 05:18, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

==Rename redux==
I know that a month ago we "defaulted" to keeping the name, but I think the recent cartoon definitely put the discussion to rest.  Coach Z calls the whale "Drive-Thru Whale" in a canon cartoon. -[[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 10:15, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

:I think the recent toon does the exact opposite. Firstly, Coach Z has said some non-sequitors before; just because he was rambling at the [[garage sale]] doesn't make him a mom. It's dot com said we should keep the name until more stuff about the whale comes along... ta-dah, here it is. A whole cartoon about the restaurant and ultimately, it's mascot. Heimstern said we should not rename this article because the whale was just briefly in [[nightlife]] (where the debate rose in the first place)... and now there's an entire toon about ''a restaurant called Blubb-O's, whose mascot is a whale''. I fail to see how this could be still called plainly "Drive-Thru Whale" - it's clearly a mascot for Blubb-O's, "Blubb-O" is not the whale nor anything else either. I come again to my McDonald's simile: after seeing an advert for McDonald's, have you called Ronald McDonald "the drive-thru clown"? I still stand behind my opinion; '''rename to "Blubb-O's Whale" per everything said before and this new toon.''' --{{User:Sysrq868/sig}} 15:07, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
::Disagree; I'd say that's not very firm reasoning for second-guessing Coach Z's line.  Considering that's the blatant evidence in front of us, as opposed to the possible "he might or might not be saying something random," I'd say we go with the blatant.  '''Keep'''--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 19:45, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
:::Permit me to point out that Marzipan's signs say: "Save The Blubb-O Whale!"  Not "Save The Drive-Thru Whale".  '''Rename accordingly.'''  Nuff said.  {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 04:23, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
::::I don't think it's nearly that simple, OF. Sure, Marzipan uses the term "Blubb-O Whale", but Coach Z uses the term "Drive-Thru Whale". I think it's fair to say TBC are cool with both names. This leaves the question of which we should use. My preference is for keeping it at the current title simply because the current title is the older one and that one that reflects the origin of the whale in [[Drive-Thru]]. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 04:30, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
:::::I see no compelling reason to change the status quo at this time. TBC use both names (they may, in fact, be messing with us), and the "official" name is no less ambiguous now than before the latest short was released. We still don't have a ''definitive'' word on the subject, and so coming to any kind of conclusion is still premature. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 04:49, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
::::::I really do think TBC made [[Blubb-O's Commercial]] on purpose to mess with us and this very argument. That was my very first thought when I saw the toon, and I didn't even notice the contradiction between Marzipan's signs and Coach Z's comment. Now I'm sure of it. I would have liked to keep this article as Drive-Thru Whale, but if you think about it, under the circumstances, probably the best we can do is '''Rename to "Blubb-O's Drive-Thru Whale"'''--{{User:Johnny Jupiter/sig}} 07:14, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
:::::::I agree with both Dot com and Johnny Jupiter. '''Keep the way it is''', or, if not, '''mesh the two names as a last resort'''. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 07:23, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
::::::::Currently the whale is no longer just a speaker for some drive-thru place. It's a mascot for a restaurant called Blubb-O's. I find "Blubb-O's Whale" more definitive; no-one can deny the connection between Blubb-O's and the whale. "Drive-Thru Whale" seems sort of vague, especially since the restaurant's name in [[Drive-Thru]] is not "Drive-Thru"; it was always "Blubb-O's", it was just not known back then. But I guess it's just me versus everyone else either undecided or stubborn. --{{User:Sysrq868/sig}} 10:46, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::For my part, I'm now convinced that my argument in an above section was wrong: the whale's name clearly ''isn't'' "Blubb-o".  As far as what its name ''is'', I don't think we know for sure yet.  Let's keep the article at its current location till more conclusive evidence arises. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 18:41, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::What's all this talk about "let's not move it until we can be absolutely sure"? Folks, this is a wiki. If a page needs to be moved again later, it can be moved again later, no problem. The question is about the here and now, which name makes the most sense, and is most decriptive. For the record, I agree with Sysrq868's argument. The name that describes this character best at present is '''Blubb-O's Whale''' or '''The Blubb-O's Whale''' maybe, so as not to make it sound like it is a whale owned by blubb-o, but rather the whale mascot of the blubb-o's restaurant. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 18:49, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::::I guess the real thing is whether or not this article is to cover the logo appearances on the bags and Marzipan's sign and so forth, or if by Drive-Thru Whale we mean just the physical whale on a post with a speaker that spouts out non-sequiturs.  In [[Drive-Thru]], I don't really think it had anything to do with the then-unknown restaurant named Blubb-O's, because the humor in that toon was that it was a drive-thru speaker out by itself, with no actual restaurant anywhere.  And Sweet Puttin' Cakes doesn't seem to be connected to Blubb-O's.  Whether or not it has anything to do with Blubb-O's, it still is a Drive-Thru Whale.  Since it's been called both in cannon, the best name is either "Blubb-O's Drive-Thru Whale" or "Blubb-O's Whale/Drive-Thru Whale"--<span style="font-size: 8px">It's Johnny.  Don't know why I'm not signed in, don't care.</span>
::::::::::::'''>.<''' Too much, guys.  Just too much.  I think if TBC meant to mess with us they certainly did.  Everyone is getting too technical over something really funny.  Any average joe who reads HRWiki isn't going to care if it is called "Blubb-O's Whale" or "Drive-Thru Whale"... really.  They aren't.  And neither will I. --{{User:Theyellowdart/sig}} 01:59, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
Some replies to a few people:

Sysrq: You're right, we can't deny the connection to Blubb-O's, nor to the name "Blubb-O's Whale", what with Marzi's sign. But we also can't deny its connection to the name "Drive-Thru Whale". For this reason, I suggest that, whatever title we use in the end, the lead section of this article mention both names. Still, we can only have one article title.

DeFender: I don't think the arguments about leaving it where it is have much to do with concern about moving it back later if it's proven to be the wrong title. Rather, it's the notion that an article shouldn't be retitled at all without a compelling reason, and in a case like this, where two names have been used, I (and I suspect others in this discussion) don't feel we have a compelling reason.

Theyellowdart: True, but this is what we do best! :-) {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 03:25, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
:The compelling reason is that it's a more descriptive and fitting name. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 12:23, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
::Descriptive is debatable, but I'd argue that it's definitely not the more fitting name.  The term "Drive-Thru Whale" has been used more often on the site than Blubb-O Whale, leading me to believe that it is the more appropriate name.  -[[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 12:39, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
:::actually, as this is the only toon where it's actually called either thing, and "The Blubb-O's Whale" appears multiple times while "Drive-Thru Whale" is only once, I'd say the exact opposite. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 12:42, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
::::Strong Bad uses the phrase "drive thru whale" in Drive Thru, and Mike says the same thing in the commentary.  That's three, to what I consider once for The Blubbo-O Whale, which is on Marzipan's signs. -[[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 12:48, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

:::::So let me get this straight. You're arguing over the name based on how many times it has appeared on the site? That's not really an argument; based on that logic we should move [[Homestar Runner]] to just [[Homestar]], since he's called "Homestar" more often than "Homestar Runner". Thus appearance counts also have nothing to do with the article title's fittingness.

:::::The reasons why I think "Blubb-O's Whale" is a better name are:
:::::* The restaurant it's for is called Blubb-O's, regardless whether it's an image or a drive-thru statue.
:::::* Article titles are meant to describe the subject as much as possible in as little space as possible. To describe a whale character for a restaurant called Blubb-O's, "Blubb-O's Whale" is better than "Drive-Thru Whale".
:::::Whereas the reasons why I think "Drive-Thru Whale" is not a sufficient title anymore are:
:::::* The phrase "Drive-Thru Whale" might be used more often, but everybody now connects and relates the whale with Blubb-O's, no matter what. It is the mascot of Blubb-O's, simple as that.
:::::* "Drive-Thru Whale" sounds quite naive, and implies that it's just some random whale in [[Drive-Thru]]; it was that back then, but times have changed.
:::::End of story. --{{User:Sysrq868/sig}} 21:27, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
::::::You're still missing the point.  My argument is that I think "The Drive Thru Whale" is the mascot's name.  To use your "McDonald's" analogy, would you find the mascot of McDonald's listed under "McDonald's  clown" ?  No, you'd find it under his ''name'', "Ronald McDonald" .  -[[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 22:26, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
:::::::And what we're saying is that "drive-thru whale sounds more like a bad description than a name, has never been used as a name, and therefore is speculation to assume so. His name could be "Blubb-O" or "Mr. Blubb" or "Blubb the Whale". Until and unless we have a definitive name, all we have is a description. The ''description'' that fits better should be the page name here for the time being, which is, as SysRq868 pointed out, is "The Blubb-O Whale" or something similar. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 22:49, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
::::::::There's always been some degree of speculation regarding canon names, save in cases such as [[Ready for Primetime]].   Like, how do we know [[New Paper]]'s name?  Well, that's what Strong Bad calls it.  And toward this point, Coach Z's line in this toon sounds a whole lot like a <strike>direct address</strike> proper noun to me.  But yes, your point is valid, and it's actually in response to that point that I make my auxillary argument.  Without a definitive specific name, we can only (imo) default to the term which has thus far been used most often (and first) to describe the character, which is "Drive Thru Whale."  (This is, for the most part, the extent of my argument, so I'll shut up now :X ) -[[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 02:19, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
And what I'm saying is that we should default, not to the first and most often used, but to the most descriptive. And coach z's line doesn't sound like a <s>direct address</s> proper noun to me... he said "i'm the drive-thru whale" similar to "i'm the McDonald's clown" and not "hey there, drive-thru whale" or anything like that. I say we call it by its most descriptive name, and not its most commonly used title. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 11:54, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
:Another option.  Since we know the whale is the mascot of Blubb-o's as seen by Coach-Z prancing around in a mascot suit and the the same whale is used on the product packaging, signage, and the drive-thru speaker.  I give you a suggestion.  "The Blubb-o's Mascot".  It's still vague as to not assign a name to the whale yet,, but clearly idtenifgies it as belonging to the Blubb-o's franchise sort of like Mickey Mouse being the Disney mascot. --[[User:66.184.136.56|66.184.136.56]] 21:35, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
::Well, as long as we're acknowledging it as being from blubb-o's, mascot seems too generic, as it's clearly a whale... that point isn't under dispute. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:21, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
Another thing to note: even when he says the line about "doctors", at which point he appears as the Blubb-O's mascot and without his speaker, he still speaks in a crackly electronic voice. Thus he still has a clear connection with his drive-thru function even when he's just in the logo. <!--Credit Dot com for this observation--> {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 15:47, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
:It seems pretty clear that the sentient ''character'' is a drive-thru whale.  And his traits (namely the pole and crackly voice) are better described with the words "drive-thru" in the title.  And yes, he's been depicted without his pole, but I guess that's like Ronald McDonald's face being depicted without his body.  Or maybe the pole is not a part of him to begin with and is just his .. vehicle or something.  Anyway, if you scroll up you will find that I pretty heavily supported a rename, but upon further reflection I'm thinking we've got the right name for the moment.  {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 19:43, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
::You know, if you go to Battle of the Bands and play through to the extended play and go to Club Technochocolate and talk to Pom Pom, Strong Bad says, "Back to the talent search, huh? I say you just eliminate the middle man and sign up that Blubb-o's whale!" That's an exact quotation, from the subtitles. Just a thought. I think TBC is just trying to confuse us. {{User:Strong Vader/sig}} 06:32, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

== Bad Whale? ==

I just have the thought that the Drive Thru whale just might be EEEEEEEEEEvil. Whaddya guys tink?
:I think this is great stuff for the forum. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:19, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
::I don't think so
:::I think so. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 15:30, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

== Random Quote ==

I think the whale should have a random quote, like [[Homsar]] does.  Just look at the potential(!):
*"Would you like to try a combo meal?"
*"Sever your leg, please. It's the greatest day."
*"Steve, drive around to the seventh window."
*"Pour gravel on your stump please, ma'am."
*"Relinquish your pipes please, fellas!"
*"Register does not contain more than fifty doctors."
*"You're living a lie. Would you like cash back?"
Am I left?  {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 19:54, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
:I second this. It'd go great. (Though, of course, the Homsar quote feature was initially implimented to stop edit warring.) --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 19:58, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
::If it helps, I can start edit warring.  =]  {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 20:05, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
:::OptimisticFool, you and me, it's go time! :P Yeah, i like the idea also... in fact... why don't we make that the standard for all the bio pages? {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 20:07, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
::::Yeah, you know, I was thinking it'd be good for all characters that all were always random (e.g. Homsar, Whaley-boy, and Senor Cardgage), but for all character bio pages?  Why not!  Also sounds like it might get a little out of control, but I say let's cross that bridge if we come to it.  {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 20:27, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
:::::You know, in addition, this would give us quote pages for each character, something which i've wanted for a while now, but didn't really fit anywhere... {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 20:33, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
::::::Well, there it is for Whaley-boy.  We just need more than two "in favors" to open it up for ALL the other characters, methinks.  =]  {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 20:59, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
:::::::I personally would have waited for consensus before doing it, but hey, i like it! Also, i removed a template hack from it that was unnecessary (it was on the homsar one because the first two there aren't quotes) {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 21:01, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
::::::::I like it too. We don't use that "random" feature often enough. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 21:12, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::After about an hour this topic went completely cold.  I really like this idea, and it would give the community something to work on while there are weeks (like this) without an update.  Let's do this like Brutus, eh?  {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 16:21, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::I'm surprised that wasn't done for [[Senor Cardgage]] yet.  It is now.  Somehow... I don't see it occupying a whole week though.  :)  I tried to pick quotes that would work well under the picture... I hope none of them are overly long.  Of course, I'm sure people will improve the list now that it's there.  {{User:GreenHelmet/sig}} 17:00, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::::One month and six days later... where is it? I wants to use it! {{User:Neox/sig}} 22:08, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::::It's there. It's been in existance since the Fourth: [[Template:whalequote]]. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 22:12, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

== SBCG4AP? ==

Anyone know which quotes are hints, and to what? I mean, king in the hole, candy-colored valentine, and eliminated the competition make sense, but what others are there?<br>[[User:Joanassie|Joanassie]]
:"When the '''end times''' come, we will '''dance the conga line''' of the Apocalypse." (from Homestar Ruiner) --{{User:Color Printer/sig}} 15:44, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
::"When the '''endtimes''' come, we will all '''dance the conga''' of the Apocalypse." Genius! if only you could see the whale at the necessary time, but you're stuck in the house trying to get rid of the party and its goers. [[User:Joanassie|Joanassie]] 17:45, 6 October 2008 (UTC)


Now for some hints from [[Strong Badia the Free]]!
*"Get your lighter from the anvil, please." - Get the lighter from the Cheat, who was once compared with an anvil. 
*"Pull forward for your metal detector." - There's a spot to dig in the area.
*"Immolate your brother, please." - Could refer to using the lighter on Strong Sad's thermometer.  
*"Cashiers cannot accept lost artifacts." - You can't return a Homsartifact to Bubs. 
*"Our donor organs are always booked in pure dirigibles." - You get an organ from Strong Sad, who looks a bit like a dirigible. 
*"Would you like flaming skulls with that?" - You need to burn the skulls at Country.

Okay? --Mettan was here. 20:04, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
: This would be a lot easier to determine if we sorted out what the Whale said at various points of the game - it differs over time in both games (though the non-hints are said randomly throughout.) "Immolate your brother" could also refer to you having to burn all of his documents. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 20:58, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
::I've been talking to the whale at various points throughout Baddest of the Bands, and always seem to get the same set of lines. Except for when it's at the PomStar stage, that is. None of them seem to be hints (except for the backing up one which people thing is foreshadowing). --[[User:Belthazar|Belthazar]] 10:46, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
:::Well, the good news for Whale fans is that EVERYTHING he says in Dangeresque 3 appears to be a hint. Well, okay, I can't sort out the "bling out your power tools" line (maybe a hint about the hubcaps?) but that's it. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 23:50, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
::::It's a hint about the drill. On a sunny day, ye know? =) The one I don't get is the one about the terrarium. --[[User:Belthazar|Belthazar]] 23:53, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
:::::Yeah, that had occurred to me JUST BEFORE I came back and saw you had posted that. As for the terrarium, that one actually ''helped me solve the corresponding puzzle'' when I was talking to the whale just to see what he said: terrariums are where you keep plants. Can you think of any point in the game where plants get flooded? :) --{{User:Jay/sig}} 23:58, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
::::::Oh, of course, duh. I solved that one without the hint, but I was getting kinda confused here, since a terrarium also a fish-tank-like thing where you keep small reptiles. Actually, I solved them all without the hints, and only realised now that they ARE hints. =) --[[User:Belthazar|Belthazar]] 00:02, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

== Homsar the Whale ==

The Drive-Thru Whale could be the Sweet Cuppin' Cakes variation of Homsar [[User:Lucsar|Lucastar]] 16:07 15 January 2009 (UTC)
: I don't know why this keeps getting deleted, but whatever the case, I'll answer it: no, he isn't. First of all, the DTW exists in the main Homestar Runner universe; he's even in ''all five'' SBCG4AP episodes, while the SCC characters appear in zero of them. Secondly, his first appearance had nothing to do with SCC. Thirdly, not all of the SCC characters have a parallel in the main H*R world; Sherlock, Eh! Steve, and the Worm definitely don't, and The Wheelchair and Bubs only share a voice, leaving just two characters with any strong parallel. Fourthly, they look nothing alike, and finally, the nonsense the DTW says is different from Homsar's nonsense (DTW's is more violent-sounding, more drive-thru oriented, and (aside from SBCG4AP hints) even less applicable to the world around him than Homsar's.) --{{User:Jay/sig}} 12:34, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
:: But The Ready For Primetime isn't a Strong Mad Variation [[User:Lucsar|Lucastar]] 18:26 1 Februray (UTC)
:::Exactly. Jay's just saying Ready for Primetime originated as a hairstyle on a picture of Strong Mad's face, and that SM suggested that it could be a SCC character. {{User:Strongkinghomsarsmith/sig}}
:::: I talking about the verson seen in Sweet Puttin' Cakes [[User:Lucsar|Lucastar]] 17:36 3 Februray (UTC)
:::::What, you mean the water feature of Ready For Primetime? That's just a fountain. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 15:30, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::You see the Easter Egg of the Email [[mini golf]] [[User:Lucsar|Lucsar]] 22:55, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

== Something to note ==
It seems there's two likely possibilities. Either the Blubb-o's Whale is a fast food character mascot, immortalized as a costume (that Coach Z wore), and as a drive-thru figure, which was placed in Sweet Cuppin' Cakes Land due to the restaurant either sponsoring the show or the golf course..
Or it's a SCC character used as a mascot by Blubb-o's in the same way as Popeye's Chicken used Popeye or DQ used Dennis the Menace..