Editing Talk:Hammerspace

== Category ==
I'm not entirely sure here, but I think that [[:Category:Activity running gags]] might be more appropriate than [[:Category:Object running gags]], only because the gag doesn't always involve objects (like in the image). {{User:Trey56/sig}} 04:00, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
:I put it in Objects coz hammerspace ''itself'' is an object. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 04:03, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

::Oh, I see. I guess I thought of it more as a place (like another dimension or an alternate universe) than an object... {{User:Trey56/sig}} 04:04, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

:::Yes, I agree with Trey on this one.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 04:06, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

::::I wasn't sure myself what category to put it in. Although I did at one point thought to put it in the Places category ;) {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 04:08, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
:::::Place or no, it's still more of an object than it is an activity. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 04:10, 18 May 2007 (UTC)


== Stub? ==
I don't think this counts a stub. It's not a large article, it is rather short, but by my book, it's not a stub if you have to scroll down to see the bottom.--[[User:CoachG|CoachG]] 17:09, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
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'''stub''' ''(n.)'': A notice that an article needs to be expanded. Also, an incomplete article. Note that a stub is not necessarily short, and a short article is not necessarily a stub.</blockquote>

That's the definition of a stub from the [[HRWiki:Glossary|Glossary]]. {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 17:16, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

:the article is fine. It's the list of appearances that may or may not be complete. I changed it to incomplete list instead. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 17:19, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

::How should it be expanded, though? I'm honestly not sure.--[[User:CoachG|CoachG]] 17:20, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

:::I think there might be other appearances of it. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 17:21, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
::::If you see any other appearances of Hammerspace in other toons, you can post it on the page. {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 17:25, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
:::::Thank you, I'm aware of that. what does it have to do with this conversation? {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 17:28, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

==ketchup==
In the email "funny", a bottle of ketchup falls out of hammerspace
-Black DS

==<s>Two</s> Three separate lists?==
There's two kinds of hammerspace. One kind where things emerge from behind people/objects, and the other where they come from offscreen. Is it worth separating these into two lists? {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 17:28, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

:Not in my opinion, though it may be worth mentioning in the article.--[[User:CoachG|CoachG]] 17:31, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

::And ones where they pop to existence (like [[The Goblin]]). {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 17:41, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

:::True. Three then. The question still remains though, separate lists, or not? {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 17:42, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

== Where the Crap? ==

I removed the Twinkie from [[Where the Crap Are We?]]. It's clearly not hammerspace. The Twinkie was just off-camera. Homestar even looks at it before frabbing it.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 03:24, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

:A lot of things on this page are from offscreen, it's a type of hammerspace. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 03:26, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

::Yes, but not everything that's from offscreen is from hammerspace. We need to distinguish between something that's most likely supposed to be from hammerspace and what appears to be normal.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 03:28, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

:::if they can pull something from offscreen, but can't figure out that they can go offscreen, i'd say that's a good indication of hammerspace. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 03:29, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
::::Plus, if there really was a Twinkie right there, Srong Bad probably would of noticed it and not of said that there weren't enough Twinkies. {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 03:31, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

:::::True. Although you'll see that the left "wall" is slightly offscreen, suggesting that there might be enough actual physical space for a twinkie on the right hand side. I'm beginning to slowly accept that it was supposed to be from hammerspace, though. I'll take a short break from this discussion so I don't feel compelled to argue about it for now ;-) And Homestar-winner: Strong Bad does not always see everything. Especially if there's a Homestar in front of it ;-){{User:Loafing/sig}} 03:39, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

==hammer or Hammer?==
Can you believe this article was [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Hammerspace deleted] on Wikipedia?  I guess it was determined to be a "fanmade" term, and therefore did not belong as its own article.  The link now redirects to [[Wikipedia:Magic satchel|Magic satchel]], where it is (mostly) used as a common noun (i.e. it is not capitalized).  So, that begs the question: should we use '''Hammerspace''' or '''hammerspace'''?  {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 17:56, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
:I created this page under the idea that at the time was pervasive on the 'kipedia page that Hammerspace was a location like England that could be accessed through ill-defined means. But the main reason I went back and capitalized all of Hom*R's revisions is that a capital H just makes the page look better. &mdash; [[User:Flashfight|Flashfight]] 17:36, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
::So wikipedia is dumb. I don't think that has a bearing to us. it's Hammerspace. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 17:39, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

== dissagree... ==

Some of the things on the page may not be truly from hammerspace. An example is that in cliffhangers Strong Bad could have had the snacks and the knife with him and just grabbed them when needed. Kirbychu HR'D 02:36, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
:One problem. Unless he had the bags... taped to his head, or something, which sounds unlikely, (since we didn't see any tape on the bags), he wouldn't have enough space behind his back/in his back pockets to carry them. {{User:GuardDuck/sig}} 03:40, 14 November 2007 (UTC)


== You guys missed something! ===
The stuff that came out of the bucket hand was oatmeal! I fixed that!- [[User:LordJ]]

== Main Pages ==

I'd argue that the Main Page instances are not "hammerspace". Yes, things appear and disappear, but only after the viewer initiates a mouseover. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 00:09, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
:In fact, other items are in my opinion inappropriately listed. When Strong Bad talks about a something and it appears on screen, that's not Hammerspace, that's imitating a camera trick. Same with the Ladies' Choice Award logo - when do logos for TV presentations ''ever'' actually physically exist and are carried out? Or, in disconnected, where the parts of Head Bad and Strong Body are added in one by one - this is again, IMO, not Hammerspace. I simply lack the time to go through and a-delete all of these, but I would like to build some consensus here. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 15:55, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
I'm curious as to whether the Main Page occurrences should count. They're just effects that happen when a button is rolled over, and they're not real toons. &mdash; {{User:SamFisher1022/sig}} 20:54, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

==Clean up==
So someone proof read it that it {{User:The-homsarrunner/sig}}04:47, 2008 February 3
:Just a note, I don't believe that things that happen PBtC, things that come from someone's imagination, instances like [[trading cards]] where a piece of paper that is referenced appears on paper should exist on this page. They simply are not the same running gag. &mdash; [[User:Flashfight|Flashfight]] 17:39, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
:: I know some things could passible be the imagination and I thought hard about those ones I said no to allot of them and said yes to the ones i thought where notable. I think it is good how it is except my amazing skills and grammar and spelling {{User:The-homsarrunner/sig}}  17:48, 2008 Feb 3
:::What standard are you using to say an instance is "notable" versus chocked up to imagination? &mdash; [[User:Flashfight|Flashfight]] 17:50, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
::: I used 1. dose it appear at a wired place 2. is it important   3. What was the set up for the seen.(what happened before, what was said, where are we going)   4. Is it part of the story.  5. is it magic or a ghost  {{User:The-homsarrunner/sig}}
::::Quick spelling lesson.  A lot, does, weird, scene.  Actually ... allot, dose, wired, and seen are all words ... just not the ones you meant to use.  {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 21:01, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

==So let us talk==
What ones do you those dose not fit {{User:The-homsarrunner/sig}} 18:01 2008 Feb 3
:Just in Sbemails:
*Imagination: [[halloweener]], [[action figure]], [[new hands]], [[japanese cartoon]], [[crazy cartoon]], [[2 years]], [[kind of cool]], [[monument]], [[theme park]], [[the facts]], [[montage]], [[animal]], [[dreamail]], [[disconnected]], [[candy product]], [[from work]], [[slumber party]] (just the milk etc), [[diorama]], 
*Paper: [[little questions]], [[english paper]], [[autobiography]], [[pom pom]], [[trading cards]], [[coloring]]
&mdash; [[User:Flashfight|Flashfight]] 18:18, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

* I will say lets up discuss with more people because i like them all and i think they all fit.  To be discussed:  [[action figure]] but i think The drinks that pour into the Strong Bad action figure body also appear from Hammerspace is good. [[crazy cartoon]] [[the facts]] [[japanese cartoon]] [[monument]] [[candy product]]. I say keep them all. {{User:The-homsarrunner/sig}}

== Storage Realm or Every time ==

According to everything I've ever seen about Hammerspace, it's always described as a Storage Realm. It seems that a lot (maybe even most) of these appearances are just things popping into existence as opposed to being "accessed" by a cartoon character. I'll bring this here as opposed to an Edit War, what do you guys think: is something like the Main Pages where things just appear an actual example of Hammerspace? &mdash;[[User:Flashfight|Flashfight]] 22:19, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
:In the absence of any arguments against, I'm gonna go ahead and remove anything that isn't Storage-Realm Hammerspace tomorrow. {{User:Flashfight/sig}} 19:25, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
::things popping into existance probably fits also though. i wouldn't be opposed to separating the types, but to outright remove them seems wrong. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 19:36, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

==Delete==

It's way too common to have its own page. [[User:Awexome|Awexome]] 02:56, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
:The inclusion guideline actually sets [[fire]] as an example of the kinds of pages we '''should''' have based mainly on their commonness. Moreover, I believe most of these that are listed are simply not Hammerspace, as per the talk directly above this. &mdash; [[User:Flashfight|Flashfight]] 17:53, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

== SBCG4AP ==

I'm not sure if these count:
At one point in Homestar Ruiner, Strong Mad drops out of the ceiling, says a few lines, and then jumps &mdash; dissappearing back into the ceiling. Also, does Strong Sad popping up count as this (all the times he appears when he's not in his room)?
I guess the Strong Sad appearances could be explained in a realistic manner... the Strong Mad instance, not so much. {{User:GreenHelmet/sig}} 03:33, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

== TVTropes Link ==

Would anyone mind if I changed the Hammerspace link to to the [[TVTropes:Main/Hammerspace|TVTropes article]] on the subject? I mean, Wikipedia no longer addresses the subject at all. (I that particular Wiki because it has the most detailed article on the subject of the first Google page.) {{User:Trlkly/sig}} 10:41, 5 November 2008 (UTC)