Editing Talk:Teen Girl Squad Issue 13

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*Oops.  Looks like we got two images.  Which one should we choose?  I uploaded mine one minute before Techgeekmbg. --{{User:Theyellowdart/sig}} 05:09, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

== The bodyguard ==

Looks exactly like Olympic Man from issue 10. [[User:Hagurumon|Hagurumon]] 06:06, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
:Yup &mdash; that's what I put in the transcript. The blurred words on his shirt read "Olympic Man". {{User:Trey56/sig}} 06:09, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

== Hotel balcony dangling reference ==

So, right now the following two real-world references are both in the article:
<blockquote>
* The Olympic Guy dangling The Ugly One from a hotel balcony is a reference to a widely-publicized event in 2002, when [[Wikipedia:Michael Jackson|Michael Jackson]] dangled his son from a hotel balcony; 
* Dangling The Ugly One over the balcony is also a reference to [[Wikipedia:Vanilla_Ice|Vanilla Ice's]] claim that rap record producer [[Wikipedia:Suge_Knight|Marion "Suge" Knight]] hung him up upside down on a hotel balcony in order to get Vanilla Ice to turn over his royalties. This relates to the rapper Peacey P shown earlier in the episode.
</blockquote>
They can't both be true. When I first watched the toon, I thought of the Michael Jackson incident, but now that I think about it, the Vanilla Ice one makes sense. First, it fits with the rapper theme (Peacey P), and second, Olympic Man dangles The Ugly One by her ankles (Michael Jackson held his baby by the torso). Any thoughts? {{User:Trey56/sig}} 06:46, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
:Hm. I have to agree. I thought of Michael Jackson when I first watched the toon, too, but the Vanilla Ice thing, while I'd never heard of it beforehand, makes more sense in context. It's not quite TTATOT, and warrants mention, but... If I had to choose, I'd say go with the latter of the two. -{{User:YK/sig}} 07:12, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
::Although I also immediately thought of Wacko Jacko, the theme here is Hip-Hop, which Jacko is not. The latter makes more sense in context. It won't be long till this'll get STUFFed anyway. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 09:48, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

I don't know where to post this, cuz I'm editing on Wii and it won't let me start a new row.  Peacy P's name must be a reference to Eazy-E of N.W.A, right? [[User:Marvelrulez|Marvelrulez]] 09:12, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
:No, it's more of a reference to "Doggy Dog" (as in "Snoop Doggy Dog"), which is whom Peacy P is parodying. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 09:48, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

But then again, I'm teekin bot the name, and since Eazy-E is both a rapper and rimes with Peacy P I'd guess that there's a reference here. [[User:Marvelrulez|Marvelrulez]] 14:13, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

I went and added the Jacko thing, but you can remove it if you like. (BTW you know he didn't really dangle his son right?) [[User:MJN SEIFER|MJN SEIFER]] 13:51, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

== goo goo is wah wah? ==

"Goo goo is ga-ga. Wah wah is ga-ga. Are all goo goos wah wahs?"

Algebraically, this is: "A = B, C = B, does A = C?"

Being that algebra is a popular thing to test for in the SAT's I thought I'd at least bring it up. Don't know if it's worth mentioning on the page though.--[[User:69.243.221.87|69.243.221.87]] 08:00, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

: That's not ''quite'' what that corresponds to (it's not an algebraic statement; it's a logical grouping statement) but, yeah, that it what they're talking about. Like you, I doubt it merits inclusion on the page. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 09:06, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

::Yeah, it's more the question of "Lions are Felines. Tigers are Felines. Are all Lions Tigers?" But I think it deserves some mention in the Fun Facts. Since it's an actual IQ question, I'm sure there's a few that wouldn't be able to really solve it (I know I had to think about it for a few seconds to work it out) which deserves being mentioned and solved in the Fun Facts. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 19:15, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

== Eau de toilette ==

Regarding the reference to the French "Toilet water" is it worth putting that this is only the literal translation, with the actual product being Cologne? Eg, Eau de toilette is French for Cologne, literally "Toilet water"

:Actually, it's not even a literal translation. The literal translation is "bathroom water." "Toilette" means "bathroom." {{unsigned|70.44.119.165|15:03, 18 June 2007 (UTC)}}

::Well, "toilet" was used the sense meaning "a lady's dressing table and the various actions such as fixing her hair and putting on perfume and makeup" in English when the word was first borrowed, just as it did in French.  In French and in English, the word evolved to mean either the bathroom itself or the commode precisely because it was originally a euphemism, like "powder-room."  "Toilet water" is more of a vestigial remnant of that than a mistranslation.  See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toilet#Etymology

:: Also consider the word "toiletries" another surviving reference to this term.  The use of "toilet" to mean something other than personal grooming and the area for it is 20th century English invention.

{{talk}}

== M.A.S.H.E.D.'.D ==
Says I that m.a.s.h. is not a reference to the TV show, but just to the video game practice of button mashing. This is reflected later with The Ugly One t.a.p.ing the TV remote.
:I agree &mdash; I considered this, but (1) M*A*S*H has asterisks, not periods between the letters, and (2) "m.a.s.h." has one after the last letter, whereas M*A*S*H does not. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 14:03, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
::But here's the question: if they didn't put dots between MASH because of M*A*S*H, why else did they put them in? And even if it is a coincidence, couldn't we still mention it? {{User:The Chort/sig}} 14:47, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
::Unless someone can come up with a better explantion, i think that this is a good reference. If it gets STUFF'd...well, who cares -{{User:Zerlock1124/sig}}

== Tompkins playing a GameBoy? ==
when Tompkins is shown playing with his virtual pet, it looks a heck of a lot like a GameBoy (original). anyone think this should be put somewhere? or am i just crazy? --[[User:EricTheDerek|EricTheDerek]] 14:10, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

:It's mentioned a few times in the transcript; do you think it should be mentioned elsewhere? {{User:Trey56/sig}} 14:19, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
::I'm pretty sure there have been virtual pet games on the Game Boy, so maybe Tompkins is playing one of those. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 14:47, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
:::There was actually a Tamagotchi game for GameBoy; I own it. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 18:53, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
::The transcript now says he's playing with a tamagotchi, not a game boy... is that normal? -[[User:JamesDean|JamesDean]] 15:48, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
:::Is constant editing normal? Short answer - yes. Long answer - Very yes. - Xifihas (too lazy to log in)

== I have a crush on EACH AND EVERY BOY!! ==

Does anyone else think Cheerleader's saying "I'll call EACH AND EVERY BOY!!" is reminiscent of The Ugly One's saying "I have a crush on EVERY BOY!!"? [[User:So makey outy|So makey outy]] 19:16, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

== Door from Alice in Wonderland ==

The fact that the door of Tompkins' house is the door from the Alice in Wonderland cartoon - Real world reference? Also, the top row of cereal boxes in the pantries seem to be Count Chocula, Frankenberry, and Boo Berry, though admittedly crude Strong-Bad-ish renderings. &rarr; [[User:Peacey_P|☮y P]] <small>&hellip; <i>Y'all biscuitheads!</i></small> 19:23, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
:Well, I see my addition of the Alice in Wonderland fact has been removed. It's pretty clear that the door on this cartoon is based on the talking door (the door knob being on the face of the talking door, not the face itself as the removal notice claims...) but I'm not going to get into a revert war on my first edit. :B &rarr; [[User:Peacey_P|☮y P]] <small>&hellip; <i>Y'all biscuitheads!</i></small> 20:52, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
::When the door's open, that looks like some Japanese there to me. Am I seein' things? Also, the sink looked like a zora (the oldstyle zoras) ... also, PCP?
:::That's defenitely not Japanese. It's just random lines, so that the door won't suddenly become detail-less, is what I'm guessing...but it's not Japanese. --[[User:Kiwi|Kiwi]] 11:46, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

== Real-World Overkill ==

Is the item "Caesars is a casino brand owned by Harrah's Entertainment" a little overkill on the real-world references? I don't think it's really necessary. --[[User:MadShrubbery|MadShrubbery]] 19:41, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
: I don't mind that.  There may be some people who don't know what Caesar's is immediately.  they may think of salad... not everyone is as smart as you and i

== Page Title Reference ==

I'm mostly certain that the page title is a reference to comedian Robin Harris' routine "Bebe's Kids" which became a movie in 1992.
:It's already listed in Real World Refs. [[User:So makey outy|So makey outy]] 20:23, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

== Gold Digger ==

In explanations it explains what a gold digger is. When did they ever even say that in the toon? [[User:D&d greg|D&amp;d greg]] 20:36, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
: It doesn't, really, but Momkins ''is'' dressed as a prospector. That's probably what the person who wrote that fact was thinking. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 21:19, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
::Would it be better to say "The fact that Momkins goes "prospecting" for ex-husbands refers to the concept of a "gold-digger", which is..."? [[User:So makey outy|So makey outy]] 21:28, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
:::A "gold-digger" is basically a woman who dates you for your money, takes it, then leaves.

== She gone ==

Probably not worth noting other than here on the talk page, but the way "She gone" was said seems to be very similar to [[Wikipedia:Ken Harrelson|Hawk Harrelson]]'s strikeout call for Chicago White Sox games, "He gone!" Again, probably not noteworthy, but I was just curious if any other Midwesterners on here noticed that as well.[[User:Spell4yr|Spell4yr]] 21:33, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
:I don't think it's a reference. There's no real context tying them together, and Strong Bad puts more emphasis on the second word ("She ''gone''"), whereas what's his face puts more stress on the first word ("''He'' gone"). (Man, I hate ''everything'' about the way that guy calls a game.) &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:32, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

== PCP ==

this is the first and only refrence to drugs of any kind right? {{unsigned|68.164.230.188|23:25, 18 June 2007 (UTC)}}

:Good question. There are quite a few references to [[alcohol]] and [[smoking]] and one possible, indirect reference to [[Talk:4 branches#Legalization?|marijuana]], but that's all I can think of. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 23:28, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
::Actually, we have a whole article on [[drugs]]. Though most of them are the prescription kind. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 00:29, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
:::There's also a (direct) reference to [[Scroll Button Songs#SB-2003-05-19|crack cocaine.]] So yeah, nothing new. ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 01:50, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

==Each and Every Boy==

Isn't it a reference to TGS1? [[User:Awexome Cross|Awexome Cross]] 23:43, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
:Are you referring to "I have a crush on every boy" vs. "I'll call each and every boy"? If so, I mentioned that seven headings above this one, and no one replied. I also just found in the page history that it was added early Monday morning, and removed by an annony, because it wasn't the same person saying it. However, I think they're similar enough to merit a reference--same subject matter, same number of syllables, same inflection, same emphasis on the "EVERY BOY" -- any other opinions? [[User:So makey outy|So makey outy]] 19:33, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
::Yeah, i dont think so.  Theres only so many ways to say things, it almost seems like they went out of their way to make it different -[[User:JamesDean|JamesDean]] 14:10, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
:::I disagree. If they were trying to make it different, there are lots of different ways they could have worded it, like not making it end with "every boy", or not putting the same number of syllables with the same inflection. The only things that are different are the person saying it (which in the [[the paper#Inside References|past]] [[looking old#Inside References|hasn't]] [[the chair#Inside References|prevented]] [[alternate universe#Inside References|a]] [[technology#Inside References|reference]]) and the fact that the words are different (which, when the inflection, tone, and context are similar, [[keep cool#Inside References|hasn't]] [[secret identity#Inside References|prevented]] a reference). They are both references to the rampant boy-crazyness of TGS, have the same inflection, and both mention "EVERY BOY". I think this deserves a reference. [[User:So makey outy|So makey outy]] 18:18, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

== Buttcrack Plumbing ==

Should we add a reference to the stereotype that plumbers show their, uh, hind quarters when they bend over? ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 01:48, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
:I think most people should be able to pick up that joke just by the name "Buttcrack Plumbing"... it's a common stereotype. -{{User:YK/sig}} 03:34, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

== P or E? ==

Peacey P's name could refer to either [[Wikipedia:Percee P|Percee P]] or [[Wikipedia:Eazy E|Eazy E]], but his note in the [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 13#Real-World References|Real-world references]] section and his entry in [[Minor Teen Girl Squad Characters#Peacey P|Minor Teen Girl Squad Characters]] didn't match. I've edited them to match, but we shouldn't keep them as "either-or" facts. Which one should we choose? &mdash; {{User:SamFisher1022/sig}} 11:55, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
:First one seems more likely to me. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 12:11, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
::Not sure, Eazy E seemed more popular. Peacey P prefers to be underground, whilst Eazy E has had "critical and commercial success". Then again, it's probably TTATOT. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 12:40, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

:I do not believe that the brothers Chaps has heard of Percee P, but who am I  to say?   [[User:Marvelrulez|Marvelrulez]] 09:26, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
:please for the love of crap let this be TTATOT -[[User:JamesDean|JamesDean]] 16:00, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

== SAT ==

"Syllogisms are often found on the SAT."

Um... no they're not.

:Exactly, annony. They used to be ("old" SAT), but they got rid of them with the "New" SAT [[User:Coveredinharmony|CoveredinSuudzu]] 15:08, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
::Maybe, but somehow I doubt the Brothers Chaps know about the "new" SAT. [[User:Danny Lilithborne|Danny Lilithborne]] 06:27, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

== Snack mix with a monocle ==

I believe the snack mix wearing a monocle is a reference to Mr. Peanut, the mascot for the Planters company.
[[User:Nsayer|Nsayer]] 14:55, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
:Isn't there a Clue character who wears a monocle? Am I thinking of Professor Plum? [[User:So makey outy|So makey outy]] 18:38, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
::I believe it was Colonel Mustard who wore a monocle. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 18:45, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

== Release date ==

The release date for the toon should be Monday June 18th.  I have the release time at about 35 minutes after midnight Eastern time (approx. Mon, 18 Jun 2007 04:34:54 GMT).  I'm going to change it back to Monday per [[HRWiki:Standards#Summary]], as the "Sunday" on the [[Main Pages]] isn't correct.&nbsp;-- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 21:22, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

== Deliberance ==

Isn't Peacey P's album title a portmateau of Deliberate and Deliverance
:It certainly is. A link to [[Portmanteaus]] is now in the fun facts. Thanks! &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:17, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
:I think its only a portmanteau by coincidence, unless those 2 words are extremely relevant to something.  It just sounded like Peacey P was mumbling everything and Deliverance sounded like Deliberance so thats what they named it -[[User:JamesDean|JamesDean]] 14:10, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
::But Peacey P never actually says "Deliberance" anywhere in the 'toon... --{{User:Jay/sig}} 16:00, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

== Blurring ==

"Olympic Man's jersey is blurred because trademarked logos on clothing are often obscured by the producers of television or music videos when they don't want the logos visible in the final product."

I believe it was either a reference to how the media censors swear words and other profantities, or because The Brothers Chaps wanted to test us wiki guys to see if we could figure out who the bodyguard is. [[User:76.5.105.107|76.5.105.107]] 06:19, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
:I've expanded the explanation to cover the spectrum of possibilities (logos, designs, words). (I don't think it was meant as a challenge to us.) &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 12:20, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

== Yet Another Questionable "The Simpsons" Reference ==

The following fact was removed and STUFFed, but I think it's sketchy enough that we can resolve it here:
<blockquote>
When the policemen arrive, So and So thinks she is in legal trouble, but all the policemen want is to watch the fight on Pay-per-view. This is a take of a similar scene in Homer vs. Lisa and the 8th Commandment when Eddie and Lou arrive to watch the fight on Homer's illegal cable hookup.
</blockquote>
I don't think the similarity is that strong &mdash; in Homer's case, he was actually breaking the law, whereas So and So wasn't. Sure, in both cases policemen are coming over to watch a fight on cable, but that's about it. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 16:33, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
:They don't look like them at all. I'm gonna remove the reference yet again.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 21:28, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

== (the future) ms. thang ==

Does anyone else think that cheerleader's shirt changing is worthy of mention somewhere other then the transcript?   -Lomion

:All of her shirt messages are listed here, as well: [[Cheerleader#Text on Shirts]] {{User:Trey56/sig}} 00:51, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

== Y'all vs. Ya'll ==

They misspell "Y'all" twice when Peacey P is saying it.
:Strong Bad frequently misspells "y'all" (but has been better about it recently). --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 05:18, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

== Virtual Pardack? ==

Anyone else think Tompkins's virtual pet resembles [[Made-Up Strong Bad Animals#El Pardack|El Pardack]]? Or just a coincidence?{{User:Bassbone/sig}} 08:11, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
:I think it a coincidence. Though, both the sketchbook and the one in the toon bear a resemblence to a [http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=Masktchi&gbv=2 Masktchi] (the one with the ears). --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 08:14, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

==Rejected?==
The scene with So-and-So going down the garbage disposal reminds me of a scene in Don Hertzfeldt's "Rejected." The waving of the arms in particular. [[User:130.111.63.50|130.111.63.50]] 16:25, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

== Biscuit ==
Could Peacy P calling the viewers "biscuitheads" a reference to Reynold saying "diaper biscuit" in an attempt to "swear a cuss" in [[Commandos in the Classroom]]?  17:51, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

:Hmm... Thinking about it, the word "biscuit" has been used in several odd ways here and there on the site. "Ya'll biscuitheads", "[[Commandos in the Classroom|diaper biscuits]]", "[[Summer Short Shorts|two breads in a biscuit]]", the "Biscuit Gravy" trading cards, and of course, good ol' [[Biscuit Dough Hands Man]]. Perhaps a running gag is emerging here. -{{User:YK/sig}} 07:41, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

== MST3K reference? ==

I know this is sketchy at best, but here goes: When Timkins says "You're not my real father!" at the very end, it's done in exactly the same tone of voice that Tom Servo uses when he says the exact same line in "Mystery Science Theater 3000: The Movie". (I'd include the time in the movie at which this occurs, but the film itself is hard to find and I don't own a copy.) Given that the Brothers Chaps have made a MST reference in the past, might this be another one?
:It's already been considered through the STUFF process and declined. [[STUFF:Teen_Girl_Squad_Issue_13|Here]]. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 22:52, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

== Closed STUFF ==

{{stuffcloseddecline}}

=== You're not my real Fun Fact! ===
{{stufffact| Timkins's line "You're not my real father" is a line from [[Wikipedia:Mystery Science Theater 3000: The Movie|Mystery Science Theater 3000: The Movie]].}}
{{stuffverdict|18:24, 19 June 2007 (UTC)|04:52, 20 June 2007 (UTC)|swiftly and unanimously declined|18|0|Teen Girl Squad Issue 13}}