Editing Talk:portrait

== Is It Just My Imagination? ==
Should we add in Trivia that this came out on 12/04 when the site said that it was updated 12/05?  Or was it just my imagination that it did that? lol--[[User:Martin925|Martin925]] 04:39, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

:No, I saw that too. {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 04:55, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

::I think it fits more in the area of a remark. {{User:Teh_Frossty_One/sig}} 18:59, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

:::The reason it's trivia is that it has to do with circumstances surrounding the toon rather than the toon itself. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:15, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

== Strong Mad's line? ==

I personally hear that Strong Mad would be saying "I'll wait for you", instead of "I went for you", but that might be just me. --[[User:Ramblin' Wreck of Spelling Check|RWoSC]] 04:50, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

:Me too. {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 04:55, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
::I think it's "I WENT FOR YOU!" It fits better in context. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

::I distinctly hear "i'll wait for you". Thats what I changed it to. Soryy if I wasnt s'posed to. {{User:Salty/sig}} 05:00, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
:::I hear '''wait'''. But that's on the first hear. I'll check it out next time I watch the toon. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 05:01, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
I heard something else the first time, but the second time I heard "wait", as in, Strong Mad will wait for Strong Bad if he's thrown in jail, or something (it doesn't make a lot of sense either way). &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 05:10, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
:Now that I hear it again, I hear "I'd wait for you", not I'll wait fopr you. {{User:Salty/sig}} 05:11, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
::I hear "I'll" over "I'd". (But it ''is'' hard to tell.) &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 05:14, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
:::I uploaded a slowed-down version.  It sounds very much like "I'd wait for you."  It makes sense in context.  SB: "I'd go to jail."  SM: "I'd wait for you."  http://www.crapware.com/smwait.mp3
::::Yeah I ''definitely'' hear wait.  However, I don't hear a "d" sound, which makes me beleive that it's ''I'll'' rather than ''I'd''.  I'm almost certain it's ''I'll''. ''I'll'' makes more sense, since he's saying "ok i'll wait for you when you get back from jail." As if it's definitive that he's going.  --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 07:06, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
:::I also hear "I'll wait for you." and the line makes lots of sense: this is what wives and girlfriends are supposed to say when their guys get caught red-handed by the police. The joke is two-fold: (1) SM will do this feminine thing for SB; (2) SM misunderstands SB's hypothetical as a definite outcome, hence "I'll" rather than "I'd"[[User:Henebry|Henebry]]

:<s>Actually, I hear "I'll work for you!"</s> {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 16:54, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

::How much do you want to bet the next Quote of the Week will be this exact line? {{User:Dantheburgerking/sig}} 20:56, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

:::Fifteen dollars and tooty-two cents. --[[User:Ookelaylay|אוקאלייליי (Ookelaylay)]]

Here we go again: [[Media:Portrait Strongmad.ogg|Listen to him talk!]]
:Even with this new item, I distinctly hear a T sound at the end of the word beginning with W. It's still went in my book. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::Well, both the words "Went" and "Wait" have a T sound at the end. :)  What I hear, phonetically, is "ALL WET FOR YOU!" - considering Strong Mad's speech style, that's more likely to be "I'LL WAIT FOR YOU" than "I WENT FOR YOU". {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 21:49, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
:I just think "I'd" would make more sense, not "I'll". "I'd go to jail", "I'd wait for you". "I'll" would make much less sense, and I definitely hear the D. --{{User:Salty/sig}} 23:58, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
POLL:
If you hear "wait" sign here:
#{{User:Bubsty/sig}}
#{{User:Salty/sig}} 05:11, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
#{{User:Joshua/sig}}
#[[User:Heimstern Läufer|<span style="color:#008000">Heimstern Läufer</span>]] [[Image:heimstern101.gif|22px]]
#{{User:Dantheburgerking/sig}}
#{{User:E.L. Cool/sig}}
#--[[User:Stux|Stux]]
#{{User:Jay/sig}}
#{{User:djm1791/sig2}}
#{{User:Bill/sig}}
#[[User:Henebry|Henebry]]
#--[[User:Ookelaylay|אוקאלייליי (Ookelaylay)]]   (sorry Dorian!)
#{{User:KieferSkunk/sig}}
#--[[User:StrongBaditude|StrongBaditude]]
# -{{User:Houdin654jeff/sig}} 15:06, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
# - [[User: Kiwi|Kiwi]]
If you hear "went" sign here:
#[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]


::judging by my quickly-made poll, I think "wait" is the majority. Sorry Dorian. {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 01:15, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

POLL: If you believe the phrase is "I'd wait for you", vote here:
# {{User:Salty/sig}} 03:03, 6 December 2005 (UTC) It's gotta be.
#{{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} This is turning into STUFF rather quickly, ain't it?

If you believe the phrase is "I'll wait for you", vote here:
# -{{User:Houdin654jeff/sig}} 15:06, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
# {{User:Bill/sig}}
#--[[User:Stux|Stux]] 20:48, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
#{{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 21:12, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

Well ... here's another. I thought I just heard SM say "I'd work for you" or "I'll work for you." After all, SB did say he'd *hire* a 5 year old. Ima listen again, though. -- [[User:Mycroft.holmes|Mycroft Holmes]] 17:51, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
:Nah, I hear a T sound at the end. {{User:Salty/sig}} 01:24, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

I betcha that, when it's put as a QOTW, it'll be something nobody even heard, like at all... --[[User:Ookelaylay|אוקאלייליי (Ookelaylay)]]

Let's go easy on the polls too, i think it's pretty clear most people hear "wait", and the only other important one left is this one, "I'd" vs "I'll". Everything else is quite audible. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 20:48, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

== Firebert ==

Do we want Firebert listed in the cast list? I added him before, but was it removede for a reason? Is that even Firebert or just The Cheat in black? {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 04:55, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
:Doesn't quite look like Firebert to me. Note the text shirt and the mask. It's a cat burglar The Cheat, not Firebert. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::Yep. Another Other Costume. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 04:59, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
:::Definately not firebert. {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 05:08, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
::::Yeah I *just* noticed the discussion.  I was just re-reverting some changes that apparently got lost in the meelee. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 05:09, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

== What Place? ==
Should we make a name for that room with the portrait and unicorn thing? I think it might be in homestar's house, with the moose lamp. {{User:Salty/sig}} 05:12, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
:Or it could be in a trailer, like SB said. Makes sense, 'cause the place looks "trailer-like." {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 05:16, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
::I think the trailer room may just be imaginary a place made up specifically for this Sbemail and has no real owner.  Though I could be wrong, my second guess would be that its Homestar's Den, and my third guess being Strong Bad's Den, with stolen property from Homestar's Den.  Either way, it looks like a Den. [[User:Veluet|Veluet]] 15:36, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
:::I don't think it's Homestar's house, and I don't think the voice we hear is the voice of Homestar.  I don't think I've ever heard him sound like that.  The whole thing appears to be a doublewide trailer of some nobody who has a speech impediment that is slightly reminiscent of Homestar's. {{User:Bill/sig}} 18:11, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
::::It reminds me of the basement in SB's main page to me, what with the unicorn poster. Anyway, add it as "The Trailer" or whatever to "Places Strong Bad has made up". --[[User:Ookelaylay|אוקאלייליי (Ookelaylay)]]
:::::The voice is a reference to [[caper]], where Homestar, in that voice (because it's early in the morning,  and he's groggy), says "thanks for breaking my cow lamp." I can't decide whether it's a trailer or a den. It looks like a trailer, but why would Homestar's mayching lamp be there? --{{User:Salty/sig}} 00:01, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
::::::Hello, gentlemen?! Homestar doesn't ''have'' a moose lamp. This is an imaginary reality, ''if'' Homestar lived in a trailer and had black-velvet and blacklight posters on his wall which he threw beer bottles at. It's a place Strong Bad made up (though I don't think it should actually go in [[Places Strong Bad Made Up]]; it's not... place-like enough for that). &mdash;[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 03:38, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
:::::::If he can have a cow lamp, he can have a moose lamp. {{User:Salty/sig}} 02:19, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
::::::::Considering the walls looks similar to Strong bads room, and that poster was in there on the main page for his room, isn;t it safe to say it's the same place? Darthvader66 Dec. 9, 2:21 AM
:::::::I don't know, [[Places Strong Bad Made Up]] has several one-timers listed. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 16:52, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
::::::::And, upon checking, it's not his room. The posters were similar, but not the same. And especially the walls: they're very different. Doesn't look very much like it at all. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:::::::::Ok, well I changed one of the inside refrences things to incluse the word similar (seeing as how that's what threw me off). [[User:Darthvader66|Darthvader66]] 06:30, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

== Hyphens or no? ==

I'm seeing a couple different spellings of a new word: "keyswordtar" and "key-sword-tar". Which should we use? I'm all for using compounds rather than hyphens (but that's what you'd expect for a German-speaker). What do y'all think? [[User:Heimstern Läufer|<span style="color:#008000">Heimstern Läufer</span>]] [[Image:heimstern101.gif|22px]] 06:00, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
: Whichever one we use, we should be consistent, as we are currently not. I like the hyphens myself but don't care enough one way or the other, so long as we're consistent. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 06:02, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
::I originally transcribed it ''with'' the hyphens because he seemed to be inventing a word and emphasizing each syllable in a tmesis similar to "fan-freaking-tastic". &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 06:03, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
:::Well, I'm not sure I hear it that way, but I'm fine with standardizing that way anyway, since both you and Jay seem to like it that way. (Too many clauses that ended in "way"!) [[User:Heimstern Läufer|<span style="color:#008000">Heimstern Läufer</span>]] [[Image:heimstern101.gif|22px]] 06:14, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
I vote hyphens. {{User:Salty/sig}} 00:03, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
::::I way like the hyphens way. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <small>(Yay!)</small> &mdash;[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 03:39, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
I key-vote-tar for hyphens as well. {{User:Bill/sig}} 18:01, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Me too... it isn't really a compound anyway... it's just a word stuck through another word. If it was keyboardswordguitar then I guess. [[User:Qduk|Qduk]] 23:46, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

== Shellbra- Zelda? ==

I was watching the email and heard strong bad refer to "Princess Shellbra" and it made me think about the Legend of Zelda character Princess Zelda, I think you can tell why. I looked on the Wiki page, but it wasn't there. should we add it, or no?

:I don't think so. too broad. and sign your posts--{{User:Benol/sig}} 12:23, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

::Yeah. It's a little of a stretch. -[[User:Grabboarm700|Grabboarm700]]

:::Definitely not. - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}

If this is a reference to anything, I'd think it'd be a reference to [[Wikipedia:The Little Mermaid|The Little Mermaid]].  Mermaids wearing shells over their chests is nothing new, but Disney popularized that style in this movie. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 19:32, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
:I don't consider it a reference to anything. {{User:Salty/sig}} 00:04, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
Speaking of good ol' Shellbra, did anybody else catch this- Shellbra. Shell Bra. As in, shells for a... well... --[[User:Ookelaylay|אוקאלייליי (Ookelaylay)]]
::I think pretty much everyone noticed that. But it's definately not a Zelda referance. {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 01:18, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

:::Oh, I know that... I'm just saying, is all... I didn't catch it at first, so... yeah... --[[User:Ookelaylay|אוקאלייליי (Ookelaylay)]]
::::Wow. {{User:Salty/sig}} 05:10, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

== Star Wars? ==

I noticed that the picture Strong Bad drew/made at the end has a robot foot. Would this be a reference to Star Wars, or is it a stretch? -[[User:Grabboarm700|Grabboarm700]]

:Big stretch. <small>&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]]</small> 16:20, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

::Robot foot?  That reminds me of one of the characters from the Sonic the Hedgehog comic series - a partially-roboticized rabbit (forgot her name).  That said, big stretch. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 16:57, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
:::For reference, her name, I believe, was Bunny Rabbot. And it's very much a stretch. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::::Ah, right, Bunnie Rabbot (spelled with an -ie, not a -y).  Personally, despite the fact that I hated her voice, I really liked that character in the Sat-Am cartoon series (based on the comic). {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 19:34, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

it's obviously the [['Lectric Boots]]. they look tottaly like it. he would put it there cuase' he thought it was awesome.[[User:Jibney|Jibney]] 02:23, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
:Nah, the robot foot he was wearing here was more square-er, and had spikes on it. --{{User:Salty/sig}} 02:26, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
::Strong Bad does seem to have an affinity for Robotic Footwear though, as evidence with the 'Lectric Boots and Stinkoman's Robot Boots.  Even 1-up wears Robotic Boots, but that may just be a continuation of style. -{{User:Houdin654jeff/sig}} 18:18, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

== Cardboard or wood? ==

The transcript mentions that the cutout in the end is made from cardboard, but when seen from the back, it looks like its made from wooden planks. --[[User:Eytanz|Eytanz]] 14:52, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
:Sounds like an inconsistency in the cartoon. [[User:Veluet|Veluet]] 15:39, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
::No, the cartoon is fine. It's the wiki transcript that needs fixing. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 16:16, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
:::I went ahead and changed it since no-one seemed to shout out a dissenting opinion. --[[User:Eytanz|Eytanz]] 22:23, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

== More than meets the eye ==

I noticed that the Optimus Prime reference has been removed in favor of a more broad definition (Notably, just Transformers).  With all due respect, it IS Optimus' head up there, but did we not want to be that specific?  Just a thought. -{{User:Houdin654jeff/sig}}
:Is that specifically Optimus Prime, though?  Are there no other Transformers that have that head? {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 17:27, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
::As far as I can tell, it is the original Optimus Prime from the old show.  The other Autobots had similar, but distinctly different heads, while the Decepticons had slightly more angles and "evil" looks on thier faces. Hasboro may have used the head on other characters action figures since then, and I haven't seen the newer shows enough to guarantee that it is the only Transformer ever to have used that particular head.  Anyway, it was just a thought. -{{User:Houdin654jeff/sig}}
:::Personally, I agree with you on this one, and I went ahead and added it back in (as a more specific example of the general reference).  I'm not all that familiar with the Transformers universe, though, and I suspect neither are many of the people who'll read the article.  But Optimus Prime was the first character I thought of when I saw that head, so it's probably correct. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 17:47, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
::::Cool, cool.  Non-depressing, cool.  I agree whole-heartedly.  The only other thing that came to mind was the original Power Rangers from their Megazord, but after checking for some pictures, it's just not the same.  I think Optimus would be proud, to, uh, be attached to a graffitti tank...
::::Thanks for taking the time.  Catch you later. -{{User:Houdin654jeff/sig}} 17:57, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
:::::Should we just put "most likely Optimus Prime"? Because there is a small chance it could be someone else. Just in case. {{User:Salty/sig}} 00:12, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
::::::This is probably not Optimus Prime, partially because of the lack of antennae on his head, but most importantly because this robot has what appears to be a mouth, and Prime has a faceplate.  Perhaps putting "such as Optimus Prime" or "like Optimus Prime" would be more suitable. -[[User:nova81426|Nova81426]]

If that's Optimus Prime, then I'm Bob Hope: it looks absolutely NOTHING like Optimus Prime's head, rather it looks like just a generic Transformer.  For the record, I am a huge Transformers fan, and can isolate the following differences:
# Optimus has no visible mouth; he has a faceplate. This Transformer has a mouth.
# Optimus has a large vertical grilled box that dominates his forehead.  This Transformer does not.
# Optimus has a pair of antenna-rod things on the sides of his head, where his ears would be.  This Transformer does not.

Here's visible proof, even:<br>
[http://www.seibertron.com/toys/fullsize.php?id=1&size=1&image=86 Optimus Prime toy]<br>
[http://www.seibertron.com/images/cartoon/01/60/OptimusPrime498-01.jpg Optimus Prime cartoon]

I am 175% positive that is not Optimus Prime, or even intended to be Optimus Prime.  Considering how the Brothers Chaps approach everything, if it was supposed to be Optimus, then they would have drawn it to look exactly like him.  I'm sure that if you look around, you could isolate a Tranformer that matches it, if not at least a dozen, minimum (hell, I could even ask my brother, who keeps track of that kind of thing much more than I do).  Because of that, I would say that it's just supposed to be a generic Transformer.

And no, it doesn't look a thing like Megatron, either. :P --[[User:Spanky The Dolphin|Spanky The Dolphin]] 08:36, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

:Well Mr. Hope, upon reviewing the pictures you provided, the painting looks even more like Optimus to me than it did before.  The "mouth" you describe on this painting looks like nothing more than a dent in his faceplate, and not something that would be big enough to even be a mouth.  His forehead piece may have been too complex for the Brothers Chaps to include in The Cheat's stencil, and the antenna-rod things you describe are only apparent in the action figure, and that appears to be a little stylized.  In the cartoon, they look kind of small and uncool.  It is possible TBC based this simple little drawing off only the cartoon, determining the horns took away from the leader of the Autobots.  Or maybe the drew it like this to stimulate some debate for them to read and laugh at.  Who knows?  Anyway, the page doesn't state that it is absoultely Optimus, but maybe we ought to put this in the STUFF Vote section.

:-{{User:Houdin654jeff/sig}} 15:00, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

::Okay, now yay-hoo has changed it to Starscream.  Guess what?  That's right, it doesn't look a damn thing like Starscream, either.  If anyone, I would say that it looks like Hound than like anyone else, but I'm not, because I think it's supposed to be generic.

And Jeff, for the record, Prime's antenna-rod things were often prominant in the cartoon.  It's just that a lot of times the cartoon wasn't drawn very well.  Here's an example from the movie:

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Prime_dead.jpg The Death of Optimus]

And yes, that little dent is actually big enough to be a mouth. I'm frankly weary about putting it to a vote, simply due to the fact that it seeing the above makes me feel that there aren't very many people on this Wiki that are too familiar with Transformers.--[[User:Spanky The Dolphin|Spanky The Dolphin]] 16:41, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

: How about "reminiscent of Optimus Prime" as a compromise? {{User:Bill/sig}} 18:07, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

[[Image:transformers.png|frame|[[portrait]], Optimus Prime, and Starscream]]
Someone keeps adding Starscream to the mix, but it is ''clearly'' not him. I see a vague similarity to Optimus, but the head ''is'' kinda generic. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:17, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

::Yeah, I suppose that's good enough for me for the time being. --[[User:Spanky The Dolphin|Spanky The Dolphin]] 18:34, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

I think the current phrasing ("the head resembles that of Optimus Prime") is good enough, but seeing these pictures side-by-side makes me think the earlier phrasing (where it just states "Transformers" and not a specific character) is the best way to go. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 18:42, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

:I think that ''(the head resembles that of Optimus Prime)'' has no place in this sentence. It does not resemble Optimus Prime anymore than the other Transformers.  Anyone looking at that fact that did not know who Optimus was, would be mislead whereas anyone that know Optimus already know the reference is to the transformers.  The stencil does not have anything horizontal to indicate the front mouthplate.  If this was in STUFF I'd petition to have it removed for being '''patently false'''.  I love Optimus, and he is perhaps the most well-known but the side-by-side comparison is compelling.  I move to remove any specific refernce to Optimus. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 19:13, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
:::and as for the dent...no. It is and is supposed to be a mouth, let's not stoop to grasping at anything to make our case. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 19:15, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

::::Well then I'll just go ahead and change it to that, since I agree absolutely.--[[User:Spanky The Dolphin|Spanky The Dolphin]] 19:38, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
:::I had never noticed that little sliver until I zoomed way in. It ''does'' look to me like there might be a nose and a mouth, which I suppose is where the Starscream connection comes from. I still think, however, that it's too generic to say it looks like anybody in particular. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:46, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

I looked at a lot of pictures on an image search, and decided that I don't think it's Optimus. If anyone, I'd say Starscream, but not Optimus. Hound, maybe. I'd leave it as is, where it doesn't specify any names. I'd leave off the part about Newgrounds' promotional sticker, though. --{{User:Salty/sig}} 02:37, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
:Odd coincidence... I was looking for images on Optimus Prime and ran across [http://www.homestarrunner.com/weenstuff/weenstuff36.html this]. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 13:13, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

::Very well, I concede the point.  Sorry about causing all the headaches, but at least we got a good discussion out of this.  Even with all of the picture evidence, my brain still jumps straight to Optimus when I see that sticker, but I see now that it's my mistake.  I shouldn't try to make a fact published material unless I can find people who agree.  I see now that I should use the "talk" method for this rather than the "post-it-and-see-what-people-think" method.  Thanks for proving me wrong and correcting the site Spanky.  I'll never doubt your Transformer knowledge again!  -{{User:Houdin654jeff/sig}} 18:15, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

:::No need to apologize. :)  That's what this is all about.  We encourage you to be '''bold''' in your editing, so if you think an article would be improved by saying it looks like Optimus Prime or Starscream or whoever, go ahead and make the change.  Just don't be surprised if the majority disagrees - this is by nature a democratic site. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 18:23, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

Now that I look at the comparison, the robotank looks a lot like Starscream. {{User:Salty/sig}} 16:10, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
::Yeah, I think it's Starscream too..
:::''Kind'' of, except the middle of the forehead is different, and the stencil is missing the pieces on the sides. Once again, it looks like a ''lot'' of Transformers, and you ''still'' can't tell what Homsar is saying in [[A Folky Tale]]. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:36, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

I dont think its any specific Transformer, but if I had to pick someone who matched the face, i'd go for [http://www.unicron.us/tf1985/cartoon/sludge1b.jpg Sludge], [http://www.unicron.us/tf1986/cartoon/swindle1.jpg Swindle] or [http://aworldtransformed.com/images/op25.jpg Optimal Optimus]. But personally I think its only meant to be a generic transformer/Robot Face, as found by the dozen in both 80s cartoons and animé. [[User:Ghilz|Ghilz]] 00:49, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
:Its like Starscream. {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 00:52, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

Ok, I had the TV on Cartoon Network waiting for Family Guy to start and "Cartoon Cartoon" was on.  The clip showing had some cartoon bear with a transparant tank holding an evil brain with eyes on his head.  The brain had designed some kind of super weapon . Lo and behold, it was Rad Rad Robotank!  It had almost the exact same head, and tank body with two comicly large canon on either side instead of the one normal one.  Am I completely insane or has anyone else seen this and if so, could it be the true source of Robotank? - crysys
:Wow, sounds like an old episode of "Evil Con Carne". It's possible, I suppose. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

== Not Homestar ==

I really don't think that's Homestar's voice in the moose lamp gag.  I think it's just the unspecified trashy owner of the unspecified trashy trailer. {{User:Bill/sig}} 18:13, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
: In fact, considering the accent and the fact that it's a moose, the voice ''might'' be a reference to Bob and Doug McKenzie. {{User:Bill/sig}} 18:17, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
:I think it is. He's supposed to sound sleepy. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:He sounds exactly the same way that he sounds in [[caper]], where he says almost exactly the same line. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 18:26, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
::Agreed - that's Homestar. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 19:05, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
:::Most assuredly Homestar. What he's doin' in a double wide I do *NOT* know! -- [[User:Mycroft.holmes|Mycroft Holmes]]
::::Perhaps we were given a glimpse into the abode of Mustachioed HSR! -- [[User:Mycroft.holmes|Mycroft Holmes]] 19:13, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

Well okay, but if that's Homestar then it would seem we have to accept the following:
# Homestar owns or rents a "fancy" doublewide trailer.
# Homestar has a portrait of Strong Bad holding a skunk hanging in his doublewide.
# Homestar has a cool portrait of a unicorn on a snowmobile hanging in his doublewide.
# Homestar keeps Cold Ones in his trailer.
# Strong Bad is impressed by something Homestar owns (he speaks favorably of the trailer and both pieces of art).
# Strong Bad passes up the opportunity to comment on all this.  Ordinarily, he would be outwardly upset at having to admit Homestar owns or has done something cool, and would either change his opinion about said coolness or comment that Homestar has no business owning such things.  Or maybe fall into despondency.
Based on everything we know about both of these characters, it just doesn't make any sense to me.  Best I can figure is that it's the real owner of the doublewide using a Homestar quote to fit the situation (which happens around my house all the time, especially when anything happens with anything that's blue).  And the accent really isn't quite right at the end of the quote.

I'm happy to be proven wrong ... somebody make sense out of all the above for me, please.

{{User:Bill/sig}} 19:42, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

:If this is a place in Strong Bad's imagination, then we don't HAVE to accept any of these things as facts. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 19:44, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

:: But where do you draw the line?  All kinds of things that appear only in a Strong Bad Email are reported on the wiki as "facts" of Free Country USA.
:: And the question still remains ... even if this is just his imagination, '''why is Strong Bad imagining Homestar being cool?'''  It's so out of character. {{User:Bill/sig}} 20:01, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

:: Uh, Bill ... I think you're over-brainin' this one. -- [[User:Mycroft.holmes|Mycroft Holmes]] 19:53, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
:::Agreed, same as the email where SB recalls emails that never really happened...ie Coach Z has neve been in a knife fight in the H*R universe, its was just SB high on soy sauce. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 19:56, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
::::Sure, but your example doesn't create inconsistencies in the characters.
::::I'm not looking for perfect logic here; it ''is'' homestarrunner.com, after all!  But it's hard to see TBC going so far outside the box consistency-wise for one little backreference. {{User:Bill/sig}} 20:01, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
::::: All right, how about this? Homestar was visiting someone who lives in a trailer, and he spent the night, and was so groggy he referred to it as "his" moose lamp when it really wasn't. Yes, I'm BSing a little, but ''was'' one little "backreference" whether it was Homestar saying it or not, and it sounded just like Homestar, so who are we to say otherwise? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 21:52, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
:Jeez Bill, have you even watched [[caper]]? This is so completely obviously totally 100% surely Homestar! {{User:Salty/sig}} 00:16, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
::I second Salty, that sounds A LOT like Homestar in caper. Here he says "Thanks for breaking my moose lamp." and in caper he says "Thanks for breaking my cow lamp.", it is a lot like it, so I think we need to just leave it as one of Homestar's Lines and have it be at Homestars house. I bet TBC just threw this in here for the very reason that weird people like us would argue about this, silly TBC. --StrongBaditude
::::: Breakin' lamps is an inside joke/running gag. The Cow Lamp in caper, The Cow Lamp again in garagle sale, now a moose lamp. It fits! {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 01:14, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
Please see my [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Talk:portrait&diff=211808&oldid=211771 comment] above, made before I had read this section. I've said it before, and this seems an appropriate place to say it again: things can reference multiple things. Thus this can be Homestar ''and'' Bob & Doug (though I really don't think they should get a Fun Fact). On the reality of what we're seeing, no, not everything we see in a sbemail is H*R-reality. (In fact I'd venture to say the ''majority'' of things we see are hypothetical!) We have the entire page [[Places Strong Bad Made Up]] as a result. This is one such place (although, as I said above, I don't think it should be added to the page). Strong Bad started hypothesizing about himself as a black velvet painting, then extended the speculation to the fact that it would hang in a double-wide; then as a nice touch we discover that the double-wide belongs to Trailer Homestar. Who carves things in walls (as opposed to [[Cool Things|painting them]]), sits around drinking cold ones, and chucks the bottles at the wall. (And, although the voice indicated grogginess in [[caper]], I think here it indicates the ravages of years of alcohol and hollerin' at his woman. Plus a current state of significant inebriation). Please do not, on the basis of these remarks, create a page for "Trailer Homestar" or the place. I simply offer them to ease Bill's character conflicts. &mdash;[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 04:19, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
: Wha-- where did all that come from?? --A weirded out {{User:Salty/sig}} 04:30, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
::Abdiviklas is somewhat famous for replying in lengthly essays. Lengthly, but interesting. {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 04:32, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
:::If you mean where'd the length come from, yeah, what Bubsty said. (I just started explaining, and felt it wouldn't be thoroughly explained until the point when I stopped.) If you mean where's the evidence for what I'm reading into it... I'm not sure I can explain it better without using even more words. Try watching the scene and then reading it again? &mdash;[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 05:05, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Okay, I'm ready to let this one die, since I'm in a minority of one.  I'll accept the voice as Homestar's, and just give up on trying to figure out why Strong Bad seems to be out of character.  (And yes, I had seen [[caper]] before, and I did watch it again for comparison.  I guess I just need to accept the fact that nothing I see in a sbemail counts as FCUSA "canon".) {{User:Bill/sig}} 18:14, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
:Well, "nothing" is a pretty big word there. Let's just say you need to have several large grains of salt handy at all times. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:24, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
::I don't really think it is Homestar; the voice was too deep. Then again, it could always be his shady drifter expression from [[Halloween Potion-ma-jig]], which wasn't too long ago. {{User:Teh_Frossty_One/sig}} 19:04, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
No, it's surely his groggy voice. But Abdi, I meant I knew you liked long replies, but the alcoholic-trailer trash-yelling at his woman part, kinda frightened and confused me. No offense or anything, but I don't see how you derived all that from his tone of voice! {{User:Salty/sig}} 02:55, 7 December 2005 (UTC)!
:I think he derived a little from the cold one bottle hitting the lamp. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:Abdi was kidding- making a wild hypothesis and including trailer-trash stereotypes. Much like what Strong Bad was doing! But really, just because Homestar's voice wandered in at the opportune moment to reference Caper, that doesn't mean he owns the trailer or that the trailer exists. [[User:Trelawney|Trelawney]] 06:28, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
::Actually, I wasn't kidding so much, although I was engaging in some flights of fancy by suggesting a Trailer Marzipan as well. And warning, I'm about to get lengthly again. Ultimately, I was just trying to explain that the voice can "be" Homestar without us having to worry about how Homestar got into this scene, or what that means in terms of its reality. I'm going to refrain from going orff on [[Talk:geddup noise#Rant Re: Reality|another rant]] about contextual realities in H*R, but let me simply say that the ultimate and ''only'' arbiter of reality in ''any'' toon is what TBC find funny. There have been plenty of times that something started as a hypothetical existence and morphed into an acknowledged reality, most famously Senor Cardgage. Despite your consternation at the suggestion, Bill, there are ''lots'' of contradictions within characters, locales, and relationships. The bottom line is that:
::#Until we encounter it again, there is no reason to think that this scene exists as anything more concrete than a visualisation of SB's hypothesizing (note that it's introduced in the subjunctive&mdash;"It ''would be'' showcased...");
::#The lamp is there to be tacky and to be knocked over by a beer bottle, elaborating the trailer-resident theme;
::#It's a moose lamp to keep it from being the cow lamp; and
::#The only thing Homestar's doing there is providing his quote to heighten the funniness of the moment. We don't have to worry about ''Strong Bad'' putting him there; he's no longer speaking, and the hypothetical reality has now left his direct control. He didn't put Homestar there; '''TBC did'''. It isn't necessary that it make sense on a narrative or a causal level, only a comedic one.
::The moral is not that "sbemail is not canon," it's that the "canon" is flexible, fluid, and comfortable with contradiction. This concludes the mini-rant. Thanks for your patience! &mdash;[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 09:01, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

It just occurred to me (and I'm surprised nobody else mentioned this) that there's a precedent for Homestar appearing unexpectedly in Strong Bad's imagination.  See [[dreamail]] and [[do over]] - how is this any different than those emails? {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 15:52, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

== Pointless and stupid, but... ==

I just had to say something about this... I wonder what TBC's inspiration for the picture with the skunk was.  I seriously doubt it was either [[User:KieferSkunk|me]] or [[User:Skunk|Skunk]] here on the wiki, but that certainly would be cool if it was. :) {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 01:08, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
:Hm... maybe if Strong Bad catches a creature called a... "Bubsty," they could've modeled it after me! (C'mon TBC, do it do it do it!) {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 01:11, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
::I dunno, I think a {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} would be an easy way to go.  :)  {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 02:02, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
:::I don't even use my user name, but I doubt TBC will ever put a Houdin in the show. (For the record, that's NOT Houdini with out the I it's Jean Eugene Robert-HOUDIN (say Hoo-dan), a French magician.)  It'd be cool if they do though! -{{User:Houdin654jeff/sig}} 15:03, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
::::TBC have already used my username {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 16:50, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
:::::Technically, they used it before you did, though... ;) --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::::::I think that's what he means. ;) &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]
:::::::I wonder if I'll get any royalties if The Cheat's half brother, "The Chort", turned up... {{User:The Chort/sig}} 21:00, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
::::::::You'd only get royalties from Coach Z, but he's used all his money on the ''Great for baby'' items. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 12:51, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

== First Appearance?  ==
Is this the first appearance of Homestars SAAB lighter? For some reason I think I've seen him with a lighter before.
:Homestar may have had a lighter, but it wasn't the saab. This is the first saab appearance. And please sign your posts StrongBaditude. {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 02:09, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

== Some More Paint ==
This may be a stretch - that's why I'm not posting it yet - but I think "some more paint" may be a reference to the [http://www.benjaminmoore.com ''Benjamin Moore''] paint company, which is probably the most ubiquitous brand out there. -- [[User:Terlet Brush|Terlet Brush]] 14:59, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
:I think you're kind of reaching there.  IF it was spelled "Some Moore Paint," I'd concede the point, but I think TBC just put it there to have two different paint jars.  Nice try though.  -{{User:Houdin654jeff/sig}} 15:09, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
::Yup. Despite its ubiquity, I've never heard of it, and I suspect most outside the painting industry would be in the same boat. (If you forced me to name a paint brand, I'd say the word "Sherwin" was involved somehow? And it has that logo of the world with red paint getting poured over it, you know?) &mdash;[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 16:44, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
:::When I think paint I think John Madden saying, "Ace is the place" for all your painting needs.  We are definitely a society that is completely victim to: advertising. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 16:53, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
Sherwin Williams doesn't make paint, but they sell it. {{User:Salty/sig}} 03:23, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

While the "More = Moore" thing is definitely a stretch, I can think of two things the logo on the can resembles. The pattern looks like the old NTSC-era "color bars", and the colors resemble the old Martin-Senour Paint logo. [[User:Lee4hmz|Lee4hmz]] 18:39, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

== Let there be lighter ==
It's true that Homestar's pulling out the Saab lighter in the Easter egg is similar to what the audience at a concert often does during slow songs, but it's hardly the first time that something like that has happened on the site... Does it need to be explained here? &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:54, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
:I still think mine was a usable explanation. You said it was hardly the first time it happened on the site. That is ''specifically'' why I think we need to keep it. Younger tweens watching the toon (or our wiki) may not know why Homestar pulled out the lighter; for all they know, he could've been trying to burn down Free, Country, USA! {{User:Teh_Frossty_One/sig}} 20:07, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
::I disagree.  The real-world explanation for pulling out a lighter like this may be useful for people to know, but I think it's more important to point out that it's part of a running gag on the site, and perhaps explain the practice in the running gag page. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 23:59, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
:::Now that you mention it, I think that this fun fact would fit in both locations (the article and the running gag page). {{User:Teh_Frossty_One/sig}} 13:03, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
::::I'm not sure if y'all noticed it, but SAAB makes cars, just like BMW. Maybe that should be noted, the whole "The lighter, as per the running gag, is NORMALLY a BMW lighter, but in this email it is replaced with a SAAB lighter, and SAAB and BMW both make cars." as it's own, reworded fun fact. --[[User:Ookelaylay|אוקאלייליי (Ookelaylay)]]
What Homestar did was a reference to the concert thing. I think we should put it on. {{User:Salty/sig}} 03:23, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
:Sounds like it's time to STUFF this item.
I just remembered, Strong Bad did the same thing in [[guitar]], and there they only mentioned it in the transcript. --{{User:Salty/sig}} 06:29, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

== Those stinkin umlauts... ==

*Should it be remarked that "Mästers" is pronounced incorrectly according to German grammar rules? (The reference was most likely German.)
-[[User: Kiwi|Kiwi]]
::We did it the first time Deutsch man was mentioned, when he mispronounced it, so we should have it here. {{User:Salty/sig}} 03:23, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

== Closed STUFF ==
{{stuffclosedaccept}}
=== DEUTSCHSTUFF! ===
{{stufffact|Deutschman, one of the characters on the [[Strong Badman]] comic cover, was created in [[haircut]].}}
{{stuffverdict|13:54, 27 April 2006 (UTC)|04:46, 11 May 2006 (UTC)|revised and then unanimously accepted|11|0|portrait}}

{{stuffcloseddecline}}
=== Concert Lighter ===
{{stufffact|In the key-sword-tar Easter egg, Homestar starts waving a SAAB Lighter (a variant of Strong Bad's [[BMW Lighter]]) while Strong Bad performs, a reference to how concert audiences traditionally hold up lighters and candles during slow songs.}}
{{stuffverdict|18:17, 7 December 2005 (UTC)|18:54, 21 December 2005 (UTC)|declined|14|9|portrait}}

{{stuffclosedaccept}}
=== What's Black and White and Read All Over ===
{{stufffact|The black-and-white portrait of Strong Bad is a "[[Wikipedia:Hedcut|hedcut]]", a type of drawing [http://www.npg.si.edu/exh/journal/ developed by] and used in ''[[Wikipedia:The Wall Street Journal|The Wall Street Journal]]'' (which is probably the "rich-guy newspaper" he was referring to).}}
{{stuffverdict|04:17, 8 December 2005 (UTC)|22:58, 10 December 2005 (UTC)|overwhelmingly and unanimously accepted|20|0|portrait}}

== what is that tune? ==

The song that Strong Bad hums at the end in the easter egg with his key-sword-tar really sounds familiar to me.  Like it's from some old sci-fi movie or something.  He doesn't get all the notes right, and I don't think it's deliberately suppoesd to sound like whatever it is I'm trying to remember, but anyway, can anyone tell me what is the song that this is reminding me of?  It's driving me crazy. [[User:66.168.23.248|66.168.23.248]]
:It may be some time before we can get an answer for you - H*R seems to be have been having some serious net trouble lately.  (Stuff is refusing to load properly for me.) {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 00:52, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
::It bears a really strong resemblance to Golden Earring's "Radar Love", if you ask me. [[User:Frickinsellout|Frickinsellout]] 10:16, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
:::I second that Radar love resemblace just listen to the first few seconds and see

::::I dunno, I thought it sounded more like the classic "showdown" song from Western movies--{{User:NevaDie/sig}} 20:45, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

== I never noticed... ==

...but this was released on my birthday!!! {{User:Count X/sig}}

== Keysword = Kingdom Hearts? ==

Key-sword-Tar is probably a ref to Kingdom Hearts, where the main character has a Keysword.--[[User:Jetamoo|Coach J]] 18:45, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

:I thought it was just a giant key. I actually have this game but I never play it. Final Fantasy-style RPGs aren't really my type of game. Anyway, it's a bit of a stretch and is very likely to be STUFF'd or deleted. So it's probably not. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 19:04, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
::And technically, the weapon in Kingdom Hearts is called a KeyBlade. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:::I didn't think of that, actually... but now that I think about it... no because KH is much too recent, they reference old videogames. --[[User:Ookelaylay|אוקאלייליי (Ookelaylay)]]
:This is not a combination of a key and a sword, as the Keyblade is, but a combination of a [[Wikipedia:Keytar|keytar]] and a sword. This also fits much better with the Chaps' general humor style than a Kingdom Hearts reference. ('''''Unsigned''''')

Even if it was a refference, it's [[TTATOT]] anyway, seeing as Key related swords have been around for years. (old topic I know) [[User:MJN SEIFER|MJN SEIFER]] 18:18, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

==The Striped Green Rabbit LIVES==
Check out this picture I found when I decompiled the flash.
[[Image:New_Green_Rabbit.png]]

Could this be a reference to the [[Striped Green Rabbit]]? {{User:Ten Ten/sig}} 02:50, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
:Looks more like a green version of The Cheat, wearing his 4rt B4ndit clothing.  Doesn't really look like the SGR to me, though, despite the color. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 19:17, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

== Evidence ==

I'm not saying I don't believe NachoMan, but I can't find what proved that he wrote the email.  Could someone give me the link? [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 02:56, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
:'''Why does no one talk to me?''' [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 17:04, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
::Do you know how many active users watch this page? Four. Including you and me. Thus, a mere 14 hours after you originally asked the question is ''way'' too early to start posting follow-up demands for a reply. Your question is a reasonable one, and if anyone has the answer, then they're likely to give it, but it will likely take a bit of time before someone with the relevant information stumbles on this thread. There's no need, therefore, to take it personally that no one's replied yet. I'm sure some people saw the question as it went by in the recent changes, but since it's generally frowned upon to post "I don't know" and nothing more, they refrained from saying anything. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:43, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
:::There's also [[Talk:The Luau#DVD Version|this]]. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 21:53, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
::::Click on the history button and click on500. You will find out. {{User:Sam the Man/sig}}
:::::Since that wasn't much help I just asked him myself. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 22:27, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

== Whammy bar vs. Strong Bad's voice ==

Is it worth noting that Strong Bad's "waawaawaa" sound at the end of his little keyswordtar solo is not actually the pitch bending that a whammy bar does, but instead is actually a basic "wah" effect (if that's the right term, it has to do with a filter on the sound in more proper terms) --[[User:Vegeta897|Vegeta897]] 01:41, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
:Yeah, but also keytars don't have whammy bars. (Maybe a D-beam...) --[[Special:Contributions/68.21.95.184|68.21.95.184]] 20:10, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

== Edited? ==

I used to watch this before, and I don't remember the classical music or the cans of paint.

Were they added in later?

== Pointalism vs. Stippling. ==

I changed Pointalism to Stippling.  Pointalism is a style of artistic expression that uses colored dots to give the illusion of blended colors, whereas Stippling is the term for using monochromatic dots to simulate depth and contrast.  Stippling really is the more correct term, although the picture in question seems to combine Stippling with Hatching, a similar technique that uses lines instead of dots.[[Special:Contributions/24.117.107.182|24.117.107.182]] 23:26, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
: Actually, upon further reading of this discussion page, I find that the correct terminology is "hedcut".  What's more, it is referenced later in the Real World References.  Given that there actually is a specific technical term for the style, and that style is referenced later, what do you say we just dispense with this Fun Fact altogether, and let the RWR speak for it.[[Special:Contributions/24.117.107.182|24.117.107.182]] 23:39, 15 March 2011 (UTC)