Talk:Coach Z

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Noid

Enlighten Me, but in what "Secret Page" does Coach Z have a Noid Costume on? - Everybody!

This one! --ENUSY , 18:58, 6 June 2005 (BST)

No clue.Someone enlighten us.We're uninformed, here. --Gir007 00:19, 13 February 2006 (UTC)Zaak

You don't need to post in all these old discussions, you know. Anyway, this one was already answered. --Jay (Gobble) 00:20, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Actually, looks like the link is broken now. TBC must've taken it off the site. ⇔Thunderbird⇔ 00:23, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Works fine for me. You know how those secret pages are. --Jay (Gobble) 00:24, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks.I'm still here, tryin to update my main page, after purging it.(Homestar Runner.com)--Gir007 01:58, 13 February 2006 (UTC)Zaak

Bling

I think the caption 'Bling-Bling indeed!' should be changed. Bling bling is more like jewelery. What CoachZ is wearing is more like the clocks Public Enemy would wear, and since he prefers old school hip hop. Bling bling is more new school, rappers such as 50 Cent, or Snoop Dogg.

Nah. It's pretty much "bling". Also, please sign your posts. Thank-you. →[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]

The name bling bling come from the sound the jewelery makes, that alone won't make a sound, definitely more decoration purpose, and being into old school hip hop, before bling was anything, he wouldn't be interested in bling. Even new school stuff which is closer to old school today, Jurassic 5, or Black Eyed Peas, steers clear of anything 'bling'. thecoachz

Alright, Coach Z is clearly an adult (albeit with a funky afro) in the sbemail stand-up, he thanks little marzipan for her clogging. Later, in marzipan's answering machine 5, coach Z is drunkenly propositioning her. What kinda sick pedophile is he ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

Well, Marzipan's not a child any more. More importantly, the characters aren't human, so we can't tell how they age - Coach Z could potentially be a year or two older than her. We can't start drawing human parallels with a character with no nose or mouth. --Upsilon

I speculate that Marzipan is now a teenager or in her 20's, and Coach Z is in his 40's or 50's. -Clever Ben

I speculate that Marzipan is 25 year old, and Coach Z is 30 or so. I know that is most likely wrong as with stand-up, but that's just how I always looked at them...Kvb 18:39, 2 May 2005 (UTC)

If i remember correctly, Coach Z describes himself as an 'old man' in caffeine and has ailing back problems, albeit encouraged by sleeping on a locker room bench. As such, I always regarded him as nearing late-middle age, although his penchant for hip-hop would seem contrary to this - or maybe I'm being ageist. Regardless, I think Marzipan's maturity would debunk any grounds for pedophilia accusations. Grover Junior

Just leave it alone--you're ruining the magic. -Innocent Bystander

I agree with Clever Ben about their age. Also, consider the fact that Coach is their Coach, and has been since they were kids.20X6 GEM

Okay, why is the section edit link hidden behind text? (at least for me. FireFox. But don't say anything bad about it, or I'll punch your refresh button so hard you'll be loading tomorrow's edits.) —AbdiViklas 02:57, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

It happens from time to time. A Wiki glitch, I think. Just hard-refresh while the edit link would normally be on-screen; that usually fixes it for me. And, are we a bit touchy today? --Jay (Gobble) 03:00, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

LOL—no, just jealous for the honor of the One True Browser. As long as the glitch is on my side, I'll ignore it. —AbdiViklas 03:03, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

Yeah and in "Rampage" he says he has problems with his back and something else like that...I'll figure it out later.It was when he and Strong bad were on a Lyrical Rampage.--Gir007 02:12, 13 February 2006 (UTC)Zaak

Context for mispronunciations

It would be nice to link to the toon in question for each of the mispronounced words on the list. For one thing, it would make it easier to verify additions to the list, besides which it would improve its knowledge-base usefulness! —AbdiViklas 02:22, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

Swtchereroo?

Has anyone else noticed that Strong Sad and Coach Z seem to be "switching roles"? Strong Sad is much more outgoing, and Coach Z is starting to ask depressed, as in "No, I'm not alone! Yes, this phone is plugged in" (talking to himself), and more recently, "Unless Coach Z's life is a magic potion." (saying he's riuined his own life)in Halloween Potion-Ma-Jig. I'm just saying. Pretty weird. Cheatachu72

Good call. I'm not so sure Strong Sad is changing permanently, though. Although he's gone from being Eeyore to (as per prophecy) "more whiny" to, now, more of a long-suffering misunderstood-poet type. But as for Coach Z being depressing, I think that starts at least with some of those answering machine versions, particularly 8.0. That one sure knows how to tug at your heartstrings. (He's just such a trouper.) —AbdiViklas 23:40, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

Editor's note: These three comments were left originally as HTML comments and have now been made visible on this talk page.

I think you want "trooper", because "trouper" indicates someone who is part of a troupe - as in, a traveling band of performers, etc. A "trooper," in this case, is someone who keeps going, against all odds.—  KieferSkunk (talk) —

Dictionary.com seems to prefer "trouper." "Trooper" doesn't have a resilience definition, at least in the dictionaries I glanced through. Spell4yr

this is funny! But definitely very informative... I know to use trouper now! --Stux

The rest are regular comments.

On the other hand, the Mirriam Webster entry for "trooper" lists the third definition as "TROUPER," which in turn contains the connotation we're looking for here. So it's not like it's absolutely wrong to use "trooper." —AbdiViklas 21:31, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

As supported by the fact that I was about to go change it in crying, and was reminded by a hidden comment that it was spelled as "trooper" on the screen. —AbdiViklas 21:38, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

Wouldn't that make it a goof then??? --Stux 21:48, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

I don't think so. "Trooper" may not be officially defined in the dictionary, but it is commonly accepted, at least in American English. —  KieferSkunk (talk) — 22:04, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

Look at ABBA's "Super Trouper" for a proper usage. Elvis 18:32, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Coach Z has always struck me as the misunderstood type, right from the start. He's the type to get out there and help however he can, but people often misunderstand him partly because he tries too hard. Seems TBC have been playing up more on his personal, inner side lately, rather than his outer, social side. But I don't see his character really changing all that much - I think we're just getting to know him better over time. :) - KieferSkunk 23:45, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

I personally think that it's Coach Z's insecurities that are just starting to surface more and more. My guess is that his style and taste in music are a reflection of his attempt to draw attention and fit in. Only now, his desires for attention and/or acceptance not being realized through his "hip-hopness" (not that he's not being accepted) and its beginning to take its toll. His loneliness and insecurity is now starting to become more visible. Of course coach Z wouldn't be coach Z without his hip-hopness (??). I'm probably overanalyzing but still, that's my take on things. --Stux 20:38, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

I think Coach Z is getting more emotional and showing it, but discussing this character's emotional development (or lack thereof) is depressing in itself. Elvis 18:37, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Coach X or Coach Y?

There's a new remark that mentions that in A Folky Tale, Coach Z refers to Coach X and Coach Y in the present tense, indicating that these other Coaches exist and are known to Strong Sad. I wanted to call this one into question: I don't think Coach Z's phrasing in Folky Tale means anything more than just "You might get away with that with someone else, but not with me", and he just called out X and Y as hypothetical examples. We have no evidence anywhere else that there is a Coach X or Y in the HSR universe. —  KieferSkunk (talk) — 22:10, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

I agree. That Fun Fact seems very tenuous to me; it should probably be DELETED! Heimstern Läufer 22:16, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

Update: this Fun Fact is now in STUFF. Heimstern Läufer 01:45, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

It has been declined. Heimstern Läufer 05:01, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

The Cheat and The Chort

I'm adding this here because I don't know if it should be STUFF'd or not. Now, on the page under inconsistencies, we note the saying of both "The Chort" and "The Cheat" in mascot. Call me crazy, but I don't really think this is an inconsistency, because Coach Z only calls The Cheat "The Chort." I would consider the other person/thing Coach Z is referencing (who I'll call The Chort for the sake of the argument) to be an Unseen Character. What do y'all think? --ISlayedTheKerrek 18:13, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Well, it's true that Coach Z's comment ("Get yer head in the game, The Chort! The Cheat is wide open!") doesn't make much sense in the context - basically, he's telling The Cheat to somehow cooperate with himself. But there are two things going on here: One, in the context, there would be no reason for an unseen "The Chort" or such like - The Cheat is bashing a pile of (unmoving) electronics. Two, regardless of who he's talking to or what the context is, Coach Z's accent almost ALWAYS has him saying the long E "ee" as "or" (Cheat -> Chort, etc), so him actually saying "The Cheat" is inconsistent, whether he's referring directly to The Cheat or not. —  KieferSkunk (talk) — 21:08, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Closed STUFF

Totally true."That may work on Coach X and maybe even Coach Y, but this is Coach Z you're dealing with!!" And Strong Sad sucks big time.--Gir007 00:16, 13 February 2006 (UTC)Gir007-Zaak

...just a quick question: Why wasn't the "Strong Sad sucks big time" comment also reverted? —  KieferSkunk (talk) — 19:13, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

Coach Z mispronunciations

Is it possible to get the Coach Z mispronunciations to have citations? Just throwin' that out there... - Qermaq - (^T/C)  05:01, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Citations? As in, you want to know where the mispronunciations came from? Or you want to see the sentence the mispronounced word appeared in? Or both? Such an analysis could be done, but would take time and require a significant rewrite of that section of the page. —  KieferSkunk (talk) — 18:34, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I know, it would be a HUGE undertaking. Not that I'm volunteering! Just throwin' that idea out there. - Qermaq - (^T/C)  18:39, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

If I have time later, I'll see about making a table similar to the ones in Foreign Words and Internet Slang. This one would just list the base word, the way Coach Z says it, and the cartoon/email the mispronunciation appeared in. I don't think it'll be necessary to also write the full sentence for context - if someone wants to know the context, the link to the Toon would allow them to read the transcript for the toon in question easily. Also, "The Chort" should link to The Cheat's filmography, since that one happens a lot. —  KieferSkunk (talk) — 18:52, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

The full sentence would be available at the transcription, so no use in doing that twice. I see you're on it, glad I spurred something positive! - Qermaq - (^T/C)  00:35, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Not bad for 40 minute's work! - Qermaq - (^T/C)  01:10, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! :) —  KieferSkunk (talk) — 01:35, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

The pamcakes... were Homestar's!!!

I'm leery about including the "pamcakes" reference, for two reasons:

1. It doesn't fall under Coach Z's usual mispronunciation patterns.
2. Z is actually just imitating a mispronunciation that Homestar already made.

Thoughts? --Jay (Gobble) 15:46, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

I agree. — _talk Bubsty _edits 15:49, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Northeast?

Maybe Coach Z is from the north east. Mainly because he adds the unneeded r in all of this words. People from the Northeast, example Boston (In which Coach Z has mentioned knowing someone from there) they add in the unneeded r's in their words.--H*Bad 15:51, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps, but it's established that his accent is a mix of regionalisms, and that he drops the accent frequently. Trying to pin the made-up accent to a location seems futile to me. - Qermaq - (^T/C)  15:56, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

When people drop their accent that means that the accent is starting to show that its going to go away.--H*Bad 15:58, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

The point is that Coach Z's accent is an anomaly - it doesn't follow the "standard rules" for accents, and it's been properly speculated (both here and in the Toons themselves) that his accent is bogus (that he mispronounces words deliberately). Therefore, trying to place the accent is pretty much futile as Qermaq suggested, and I don't think Coach Z's accent is likely to go away any time soon (considering that's one of his main defining characteristics). —  KieferSkunk (talk) — 15:30, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

"North American Flat" would best fit his outlandish dialect.--The Real Zajac 12:23, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

More than 2 problems

This seems to be his catch-phrase! I think we should mention it. -- Super Martyo boing! 20:27, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

But it's only been used twice, on Spin 'n Say and Main Page 11. It's a funny quote, not a catchphrase. Besides, the article already says, "As Coach Z himself is not afraid to admit, he's got more than two problems." – The Chort 20:32, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

I've added a section listing what appear to be his "more than two problems". Retromaniac 20:27, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Coach Miroku

What exactly is up with Coach Z's butt-patting obsession? It's kinda creeping me out. Kiwi 21:36, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Isn't that what coaches do? Loafing 01:37, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

From Futurama: FRY: Can I slap you on the butt? LEELA: Fry, I'm a professional athlete now. ...So yes, go ahead. --DorianGray

Strong Bad IMs

Hey, I was just watching the Marzipan email on my Strong Bad DVD and realized that you can use pause and slo mo to read all of the IMs popping up when he's trying to write the Cheat--anyway, he says it's Marzipan, but she denies it, and one message that you can only see on slo mo says 'Are you trying to fade me?' Sounds like a certain hip hop single.. 76.168.177.211 20:31, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Coach Z's Gender Confusion

The following discussion was moved here from Talk:Coach Z's Gender Confusion when it was decided that that page should be turned into a redirect to this one.

Redirect to Cross-dressing or delete. Loafing 05:59, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Is it mentioned in his bio? If so, keep it there. If not, put it there. And then delete this. --DorianGray 06:04, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure it is...and all the info on this page is already there too. Redirect to Coach Z in my opinion, since this is directly about him.--~ SlipStream 08:58, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

All of this is shown here. It makes sense to redirect to that section. TheCoolBot 12:24, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Redirect for all the reasons stated above. — Defender1031*Talk 12:28, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Aye, redirect it is. (Just so I don't say "me too"....) wbwolf (t | ed) 14:42, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Me too! Redirect to the Coach Z's "More than Two Problems" section. – The Chort 15:14, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Redirect! Same as above. ^{The Goblin!!} 05:34, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Coach Z has an apartment?

In http://homestarrunner.com/costumes.html , the coach Z costume (third picture) Strong Bad mentions that the person "really nailed the condition of Coach Z's apartment" ~Kroc