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Concert Lighter

From: portrait
Posted on: 18:17, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

Arguments for:

• It's true that Homestar's action emulates that of concert audiences.

Arguments against:

• This fact really isn't all that important to point out.
• Every joke and action does not require an explanation.

Additional comments:

• This fact may need to be rewritten.
  • NOTE: This item has now been reworded. The rewording incorporates both the BMW Lighter reference and mentions the concert tradition.
    • Note also that the rewording was originally proposed as a full revision. The revision, however, was identical in substance to the original wording, and therefore it was not necessary to set up a separate vote but rather just to fix the original.
• Should it be listed in this article or in the running gag page on the BMW Lighter?
  • It seems appropriate to mention it in this article, as this is the most direct reference (so far) to that tradition. It wasn't nearly as obvious in guitar, and Strong Bad's use of the Lighter in other toons doesn't have much to do with music.
• We have a tradition of not explaining the joke, unless there is a good chance a lot of people won't get it. Does this really rise to that level?
• For all we know, this could be a reference to Strong Bad holding up the BMW lighter during guitar. It's too vague, and not extremley uncommon.
  • True, but I think both cases really are references to the concert-going tradition. The question is whether it needs to be pointed out.
    • Most people are aware of the lighter-during-ballad tradition. H*R newcomers, however, may not be aware of the BMW lighter at all, which is really what makes the joke for us fans. It's the BMW Lighter that needs to be linked to in a Fun Fact, perhaps while mentioning guitar.
      • There's a mention of the BMW Lighter in Remarks, though I think it should be moved to and combined with a rewrite of this fact in Inside References.
• I think it should be referenced somewhere. I mean, you never know what someone might not understand. Maybe this page, maybe the lighter's page, maybe guitar's page... As long as it's mentioned for those unenlightened.
  • Actually, it's already mentioned in the transcript for guitar, so I think it's fine as is.
• If this is accepted, I believe we should remove the "BMW Lighter" mention in Remarks, and that this reference should go in Real-World References.

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What's Black and White and Read All Over

From: portrait
Posted on: 04:17, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

Arguments for:

• The WSJ does in fact provide illustrations like that, or at least used to.
• It's very clearly a reference to the WSJ. Check the Wikipedia article and also the article on hedcuts, this exact style of portrait that was pioneered by the WSJ.

Arguments against:

Additional comments:

• This is not limited to the Wall Street Journal, it should be changed to reflect that it's a usual occurance in most major newspapers.
  • Disagreement: Can you name these other newspapers that use the same illustration style? Virtually every other major newspaper uses actual photos, not hand-drawn illustrations.
• What "rich-guy newspaper," other than WSJ, would fit this description?
  • If my head is straight, then I believe most Newspapers used to do this before they could print photos in the paper.
  • The first "rich-guy newspaper" that comes to my mind other than the WSJ is the New York Times, but I believe they use photos, not drawings. (I couldn't tell you for sure, as I don't read either on a regular basis.)
    • I can tell you for sure they don't.
• Noting the reference to "hedcuts" in Args For: I think we should add a mention of what kind of drawing that is to the fact, either in the fact itself or as a sub-bullet. (I vote for the sub-bullet, personally: "This type of drawing is called a hedcut.")
  • Seconded. And, rather than propose a revision, given recent discussion of them, revis'd accordingly.
    • Note that what you did was to reword (rather than revise) the item, since you didn't change the underlying meaning. Changes like this are perfectly acceptable and the right course of action in this case. (The addition is still subject to consensus, of course, but it doesn't need its own new vote table.)

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