Editing Talk:Happy Hallow-day

== A goof to start it off ==

I got a goof to start it off: in the scene where Homestar makes the trap for halloween night, there is a problem with the layering when they show Coach Z. The candy goes over his arm on the right side. I uploaded a picture: [http://www.geocities.com/sbsp_fan_1/goof.JPG]
:I saw that too. o_o Not sure if it's a goof or a glitch, though... --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::I'd say glitch, to my mind a goof is a spelling/plot/grammar error, wheras a glitch is a mistake in the making of the flash file [[User:DumbMuscle|DumbMuscle]] 18:53, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
::It is more of a goof, because they Brothers Chap forgot to add a mask to the candy. It isn't a glitch where the toon stops working or the toon messes up. It is human error. {{User:Raptor5ix/sig}} 20:51, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

== Easter egg ==

To avoid making edit to page in progress:

* When the camera cuts back from the close up on the King of Town, click the Poopsmiths head to see a scene with Homsar (plays at the end of the King of Town's scene)<br>
:''{Cut to Homsar in an Ed Grimley costume standing next to a pile of newspapers reading "Eggs Tree!" and in front of a tree with eggs on}''
:'''Homsar''': Eggs tree! Eggs Tree! This get up is my get down.
:''{as he says the last bit his head sinks into his costume}''
(edit) Oops! Forgot to sign! [[User:DumbMuscle|DumbMuscle]] 19:03, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

== And The Cheat says... ==

I hear it as "Red rum! Red rum!" But more to the point - I don't like the trend of putting words in The Cheat's mouth. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 19:14, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
:I don't hear it as anything specific, but it matches "Bright light! Bright light", as frequently called by Gizmo (The Cheat's costume). --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::"Bright light! Bright light" is hands-down the most likely quote here. --[[User:Bill|Bill]]
:::I heard "My eyes! My eyes!". Eh. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 13:13, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
::::Me too. -Alex H.
:::::I heard {The Cheat noises}.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 20:25, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
:::::: I heard "my eyes! my eyes!", which also makes sense because The Cheat covers his eyes. --[[User:Ookelaylay|אוקאלייליי (Ookelaylay)]] 21:11, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

== Monchhicheat? ==

I thought SB calls the Cheat "Monchhicheat", a pun on "Monchhichis" and a reference to the fact the The Cheat is hairier than usual (due to his Gizmo costume). [[User:Starblind|Starblind]] 20:17, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

== Jam On It? ==

Does The Skull really say "Ajambonee"? I thought it said "Jam on it". EDIT: if you listen closely, you can hear a "t" sound at the end of his sentence. I think that confirms it. &mdash; {{User:SamFisher1022/sig}} 15:24, 30 October 2006
I thought it said  a jam on it, a play on a curse on it.-Some Anon
:I concur. [[User:Retromaniac|Retromaniac]] 17:37, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

"Jam On It" was an old-school rap (from the mid-80's) by the band Newcleus. It was both the title and tagline...sounds to me like what the skull was saying. (You might have to ask Coach Z)

== "We need hamen?" ==

Uh, I'm fairly sure Marzipan says "We be jammin'", which makes a lot more sense in a reggae context.  Plus they are, you know, actual words.  ;)  GSL -- [[User:68.251.82.222|68.251.82.222]] 20:42, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
:I agree. At first, I even thought Marzipan was Bob Marley. [[User:Retromaniac|Retromaniac]] 22:55, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

== Never Feed Them After Midnight ... ==

Mogwai don't turn into "some sort of horrible beastie" after being exposed to the sun.  The sun ''kills'' them.  It's ''feeding them after midnight'' that turns them into Gremlins.

Where would this comment best fit on the page?

--[[User:Bobsmith84|Bobsmith84]] 21:15, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

== Orange and black loose tooth removers ==

While orange and black may be the color of the Marshie candies, they're also the color of the wrappers of Mary Jane/Bit-O-Honey candies. A photo and description is found here: http://www.typetive.com/candyblog/item/mary_jane_peanut_butter_kisses/  The candy is chewy and sticky, and perfect for pulling teeth or fillings. I'd say this is closer to a real world reference than an inside reference.
:That's true, but Homestar says "orange and black ''flavored''". Marshie said the same thing in [[Malloween Commercial]], which is why I consider this an Inside Reference. &mdash; {{User:SamFisher1022/sig}} 16:32, 30 October 2006
::I agree, the inside referance is the phrase "Orange and Black Flavored," not Orange and Black colored candies. [[User:Pyromaniac|Pyromaniac]]
:::No, no, no. Anyone remember... I think the house that gave Sucky Treats. Eaither that or the one after it, but it could also be a reference to the mini-game at the beggining where you have to slice open the bags and, guess what, the same exact candies come out. --[[User:Zoologist|Zoologist]] 05:29, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
::::I have to agree with the original post, those are real candies that are really gross, and would likely remove a loose tooth. I think it's a real world reference.

So we have 3 possible fun facts about these candies, two of them mentioned here and one that was in the article.
#RWR to the real-life candies with orange and black wrappers that are sticky and perfect for pulling out fillings and loose teeth.
#Inside reference to Fluffy Puff orange and black flavored marshmallows from [[Malloween Commercial]].
#"...possible reference to the [[Strong Bad's Treat Snatcha|mini-game]] in [[The House That Gave Sucky Treats]], in which once you cut the bag open, the exact same candy pours out of the bag."

Now my thoughts:
#Putting that in real-world refs is okay, especially if you give the exact name of what those candies are called. But, would this be a "YOUR JOKE A SPLANED" to mention that they are perfect for ripping out loose teeth because they are sticky? I think it would qualify. Then what would be the point of a real-world reference discussing a fairly common object?
#When Homestar says "orange and black ''flavored''", is it supposed to remind you about the orange and black flavored Fluffy Puffs? This is a tough call because it is quite subjective. Is it a phrase meant to remind you of a past toon, or is it merely worded that way because this toon is being written by the same people? In my opinion, this fact is the best candidate for making it into the article, but ''word it carefully''. You could even throw in a link to the real candy name as a bonus.
#I don't know why the fact that I removed from the article stressed the "flavored" but then talked about its past appearance in the Treat Snatcha game. That wassn't worded to make the right connection. Ignoring the "flavored" part, should there be a fact that talks about a candy's past appearance on the site? For something this minor, I say, "big deal."

&mdash;[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 21:19, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

A few more comments:

The real candies are exactly what I thought of when I saw this cartoon, not the prior commercial.

Secondly, per [[Malloween_Commercial|the Malloween Commercial Page]], there's some question as to whether the orange and black marshmallows are actually flavored differently or whether they "taste the same, but look different".  Could be that TBC said "flavored" when they meant "colored".  That could be true here as well.  Or not.  Who knows?

Also, who's to say that the orange and black Marshie treats themselves aren't a reference to these gosh-awful candies?

--[[User:Bobsmith84|Bobsmith84]] 21:29, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

== Opening Glitch? ==

When I load the toon, Marzipan moves in silence for about two frames, and then the toon freezes for a moment before the audio begins and the video starts up again. Looks like a glitch (or a goof) to me. Perhaps it's an error in the synch between the audio and video? --[[User:Lukeonia1|Lukeonia1]] 23:06, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
:Not getting the praeblem here. &mdash;[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 23:57, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
::I've noticed my old, slow computer often freezes for a moment before sound starts playing in any flash file.  That's probably what's happening here (something similar is happening to me, but I don't think it's a glitch in the toon itself). {{User:Saturn/sig}} 03:15, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

== I don't do so well in all this sunlight... ==

Could Strong Sad be suffering from Seasonal Affective Disorder (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seasonal_Affective_Disorder)? One could take his mouth twitches to be an involuntary smile, a sign that the sunlight is effectively treating his depression. What do you think?
:Yes, definitely. That's the joke. &mdash;[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 00:15, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
:Well, he IS on medication... no, I'm just kidding. But I doubt the SAD thing. Even if the abbreviation is the same as his name. The real point was just so we could see that a) Strong Sad can laugh and b) he doesn't want to. Maybe he's taking meds to MAKE himself depressed?[[User:Zero.exe|Zero.exe]] 00:49, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

== Poopsmith Glitch ==

"When the camera zooms in on Strong Sad after The Poopsmith's head becomes clickable (for the Homsar easter egg), that area of the screen is still clickable even though nothing is there."
Um, I'm pretty sure I didn't word this very well, so if anyone feels they can fix it, go ahead. And, um, do you guys think this would be a goof or a glitch?[[User:Zero.exe|Zero.exe]] 00:46, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
:not a goof, every year if you click on the poopsmith's head, you'll see a small seen with homsar in it. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 21:08, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
::Read it again. He's referring to a currently-commented-out Goof that isn't in the 'toon right now as far as I see (I don't know that it necessarily ever was.) --{{User:Jay/sig}} 21:11, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
:::Yeah, on further review I discovered that I was the one making the goof. It never was there. [[User:Zero.exe|Zero.exe]] 03:31, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

== Risque Real-World Reference ==

Ummm... this may be too adult-oriented for the wiki, but I think when Strongbad refers to the fact that they should have been out "turning treats" by then, he's making a play on the term "turning tricks" - which refers to prostitution. Treats instead of tricks. Just throwing it out there to see if I'm the only one with my brain in the gutter. ^___^; [[User:Dandon TRJ|Dandon TRJ]] 02:52, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
:That's what I figured too. Man, the costumes this year were great.
::For the record, I immediately thought the same thing, so no, you're not the only one. :) {{User:Saturn/sig}} 03:11, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
:::It's highly unlikely that this is an intendend similarity between the two expressions. It's not the kind of content that TBC use for H*R.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 04:16, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
::::I've gotta disagree with you there. Even though H*R appeals to younger fans, and TBC try to keep it clean, they definitely throw some humor over the kiddies' heads for the adult-types in the audience. You can tell from interviews that it's in their nature. As for the joke itself, "trick or treat" is the h'ween expression. Simply switch out that one word in the other expression, and there you go. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 04:39, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
:::::I also immediately thought it was a refernce to turning tricks {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 21:15, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
::::::Ditto. This seems like a pretty obvious play on words. [[User:89.0.71.94|89.0.71.94]] 12:57, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
:::::::Granted, but, to get back to what was originally posted, I don't think this should mentioned in the article. Family wiki issues aside, the main reason is simply that if you don't already know this, you don't need to be told. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 22:40, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

==No Real Opening Credits==
For the first time ever on the website, no real opening credits accompany a Halloween toon; all we see is the phrase: "These ARE the opening credits!" What gives? [[User:MHarrington|MHarrington]] 06:40, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

:Those are the opening credits.&nbsp;-- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 07:03, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
:: I'm reminded of a webcomic I read. Characters that are clearly aliens walk around with shirts that read "Human" or "Homo Sapien" and nobody questions it. :p --{{User:Jay/sig}} 07:05, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
:::I think (s)he means that it doesn't have the usual opening credits (Written, Directed and Animated by The Brothers Chaps; Voices by Matt Chapman and Missy Palmer). --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 23:35, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
::::TBC were more interested in credits in the early going. Nowadays, they tend to forgo them. There have been several other toon that have omitted them recently. (I did absolutely zero research before making those statements, but they seem true.) &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:11, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
:::::''I'm reminded of a webcomic I read. Characters that are clearly aliens walk around with shirts that read "Human" or "Homo Sapien" and nobody questions it. :p''
I think it's El Goonish Shive you're thinking about, with the uryuoms. --[[User:Ookelaylay|אוקאלייליי (Ookelaylay)]] 21:14, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
:Wonder if they're getting Tedd's father to do their credit sequences now? :P [[User:DumbMuscle|DumbMuscle]] 21:22, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
::I wonder... hmm... --[[User:Ookelaylay|אוקאלייליי (Ookelaylay)]]

== Poopsmith Easter egg glitch ==

I was unable to duplicate the following fun fact yesterday, so I commented the fact out of the article asking if it had been fixed or was never there to begin with. This is the fact, in the Glitches category:

*When the camera zooms in on Strong Sad after The Poopsmith's head becomes clickable (for the Homsar Easter egg), that area of the screen is still clickable even though nothing is there.

I'm posting here because of the higher traffic and the greater chance that someone can answer the question. Can I get a witness? &mdash;[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 03:23, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, sorry about that. On a re-viewing, I discovered that the glitch didn't exist; I hadn't moved my mouse after clicking on The Poopsmith's head, so it looked like the area was still clickable. So it wasn't really there at all. My bad. [[User:Zero.exe|Zero.exe]] 03:29, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Okay. Thanks! &mdash;[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 03:32, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

==Goof numero2==
*In the opening credits, when the news paper starts spinning...the pic of the pumpkin is WHOLE...they probably forgot to add a mask to it, but...is this a goof? {{User:Strong Devon/sig}} 
[[Image:Newspapesgoof.PNG|300px]]

:That's just a flash artifact. The Brother's Chaps don't even bother animating anything that you're never going to see normally, so it's not really a goof. - {{User:The Joe/sig}} 00:16, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
::But, when you think about it, we counted a similar goof from TSG10. Remember Cheerleader's shirt in the 3-D scene? I think this is valid. --{{User:TotalSpaceshipGuy3/sig}} 11:35, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

== That chew toy, it's... A BRAIN! ==

'Ey. Inactive user here, just saying that there's another brain sighting, other than TGS 4, Stinkoman 20X6, Summer Short Shorts, and some other cartoons I forgot. There must be a running gag, or a Fanstuff conspiracy. Josh says the brain's blue eye represents his custom Tampo. [[User:75.46.19.249|75.46.19.249]] 23:59, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

== Inside References ==

In Malloween, HR has a t-shirt with the text 'This IS my costume'.
This time around, it's the other way around. Almost.

[[image:hr-newsboy-costume.png]]

Also, Homsar says 'this get-down is my get-up', also clearly a reference.

What I'm trying to say is this:
Will somebody please type this in in a proper manner?

*Shouldn't it be noted that "This IS my costume" is a fairly popular Halloween joke, making both H*R's newsboy remark and Homsar's... usual oddness... real-world references? And, in unrelated news, does anybody have a link to information on that DST bill? I can't find one, but need it for the fun fact I stuck in. [[User:Zero.exe|Zero.exe]] 02:17, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

== Homsar... ==

Isn't wearing his trademark bowler hat! Doesn't anybody else find that unusual? Even in the earlier Halloween toons, he has it, or a variation on it, anyway. (At least, I know he did as "Slash" in [[3 Times Halloween Funjob]], and am pretty sure he did in [[The House that Gave Sucky Treats]].) [[User:Zero.exe|Zero.exe]] 02:04, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
:He didn't have a hat of any kind in [[Pumpkin Carve-nival]], either. {{User:Saturn/sig}} 02:30, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
::I know, I checked the costume lists (there's also no hat in [[Halloween Potion-ma-jig]]), but still, it's a rare sight to see Homsar without his hat. It's like seeing a happy Strong Sad. (Which, coincidentally enough, also happened in this 'toon.) [[User:Zero.exe|Zero.exe]] 02:53, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

== Daylight Wasting Time ==

I'm wondering what to do about [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Happy_Hallow-day&oldid=380950 this edit]. I hear the point, especially interesting given that the whole 'toon is about trick-or-treating in the daylight. (The best Wikipedia link, btw, is [[Wikipedia:Daylight_Savings_Time#Daylight_Saving_for_Halloween|this]].) I wanted to rewrite it, though, since the words "has been speculated" in an article give me the jibblies. BUT... If expanded, it really wants more to be a Real-World Ref. about the proposition. And I'm not sure it has a strong case to make as one. Thoughts? &mdash;[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 02:27, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

:If you want to edit it, go right ahead- although I see that a similar fact has already been STUFFed and declininated. I meant it only as a side note to the remark about how TBC said the sun rose an hour before it actually did (supporting evidence, perhaps?) As for "has been speculated", I was just in a bureaucratic mood (or something like that.) By all means, edit if you want. That's what Wiki is for. [[User:Zero.exe|Zero.exe]] 02:40, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

::I removed it. Next year, the sun will rise an hour ''later'' than this year (two hours later than shown in the toon), not earlier. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 02:44, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

:::I used timeanddate.com to come up with the remark about sunrise, and using the same source, I have noticed that at 8:13 PM next Halloween, it is still going to be dark under normal circumstances, as seen.  (At least in Atlanta...can't imagine TBC using some other time zone.)  It will have reached astronomical [[Wikipedia:Twilight|Twilight]], i.e. more-or-less total darkness, a few minutes before 8:13 PM in [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/astronomy.html?n=25&month=10&year=2007&obj=sun&afl=-13&day=1  2007].  I think the whole daytime thing was just a change of pace for a Halloween cartoon, personally. -- [[User:Frickinsellout|Frickinsellout]] 11:21, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

== Closed STUFF ==

{{stuffcloseddecline}}
=== Fall Back? ===
{{stufffact|This cartoon may be inspired by the upcoming [[Wikipedia:Daylight_saving_time#Daylight_Saving_for_Halloween|Daylight saving time for Halloween]] in 2007.}}
{{stuffverdict|01:24, 31 October 2006 (UTC)|21:09, 31 October 2006 (UTC)|swiftly and overwhelmingly declined|18|2|Happy Hallow-day}}

== Home...STAR?! ==

Is this the first time Coach Z has pronounced Homestar's name correctly? If so I think that should be worth a remark at least. {{User:NFITC1/sig}} 03:45, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Uh, I'm certain he did at the begginning of A Jorb Well Done. [[User:Ekul|Ekul]] 11:51, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
:Each time he says it in a Jorb Well Done it sounds closer to Homestair than Homestar. He doesn't quite get that last vowel right. In THIS one, however, he gets all the vowels right. {{User:NFITC1/sig}} 14:32, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
:Doesn't he usually say H*r's name right? (Except at the end of A Jorb Well Done, that is.)

== Voltron vs. Halloween Finding Space Panther ==

First off, they were LIONS, not panthers. Second, Voltron was a humanoid robot when the lions joined forces. I would think this particular reference is closer to the animal robots line of Transformers toys.
:Surely that would be Beast Wars (or whatever it was called) rather than transformers, although i disagree about it being that. Can't comment on Voltron as I haven't seen it.[[User:DumbMuscle|DumbMuscle]] 21:19, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
::Beast Wars was a spinoff of Transformers.  See [[Wikipedia:Beast Wars|the Wikipedia article]].  So "the animal robots line of Transformers" is actually correct. ~ [[User:Bruce|Bruce]] 20:05, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

== PANTS! ==

I don't think this was mentioned in the page, but isn't it noteworthy that Homestar's wearing pants over his now furry legs?
:Not really. Many of his holloween costumes included pants.[[User:Geshmalderborgen|גשמלדרברגן]] 03:32, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

== Bull-tonk?! ==

Sounds to me like Strong Bad is saying "This is bull-talk!", which, incidentally, makes a hell of a lot more sense than "bull-tonk". ~ [[User:Bruce|Bruce]] 20:02, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
:Oh, yeah... I was gonna bring this up myself, but I keep forgetting. I agree. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::Hey Bruce, please don't use profanity on this wiki. We like to keep it family-friendly here. Thanks for your contribution, though! {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 20:12, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
:::Umm.  Considering "hell" a swearword is a bit subjective, don't you think, especially when you consider that it's a real word that has another meaning?  My cousins and a lot of other people consider "crap" a swear; does that make the Wiki, with all its transcriptions of Strong Bad and the gang, not family-friendly?  I don't think so.  The H word is really in the same boat as "crap" from what I can see. ~ [[User:Bruce|Bruce]] 20:21, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
::::Incidentally, [[Hell|Hell]].
:I could go either way on the talk/tonk. Tonk ''does'' make sense by Strong Bad's standards, like it's a derivative of bull-honk(y), but of course it's subjective and that's where the problem arises. &mdash;[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 20:32, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
::Hard as I try, I just can't hear an "N" sound.  So "tonk" is out in my book. ~ [[User:Bruce|Bruce]] 20:42, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
:::I disagree. I hear "bull-tonk". I'm also a bit puzzled as to why "bull talk" makes any more sense than "bull-tonk" in the context, which has nothing to do with any sort of talk (and given that bulls don't talk, I find the term just as nonsensical as "bull-tonk" even out of context. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 22:01, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

== QotW Song ==
The song that is currently in the Quote of the Week seems to be a reference to the band The Police. The singer sounds just like their singer and it sounds like one of their songs, though I can't remember which. {{User:Salty/sig}} 14:42, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
:Reminds me strongly of ''[[Wikipedia:Roxanne (song)|Roxanne]]''. &mdash;[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 21:31, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
::I agree; however, I think that is more directly a reference to reggae songs in general (esp. Bob Marley, [[Talk:Quote of the Week#Reggae Song|see more discussion here]]), and the similarity to ''Roxanne'' is just a result of The Police using reggae influences in that particular song. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 21:57, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
:::Incidentally, in a Fresh Air interview with Terry Gross, Sting insisted that Roxanne was not reggae, but was in fact a tango. (Can't find a link to that interview, will share if I can.) Simply put, and Sting reference, or ANY musical reference at all, is patently TTATOT. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 06:34, 5 November 2006 (UTC)