Editing Talk:Homestar Presents: Presents

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*Darn! I just spent an hour transcribing the toon to find someone'd already done it! Is there some procedure for calling dibs on it? Also, I know that I contributed both the cast of characters and the easter egg, yet I do not see my edit listed in the history. What gives? -- [[User:FireLily|FireLily]]
**I can't comment on the second part, but it's normal to post in the transcription section saying that it's in progress. -- [[User:Mithent|Mithent]] 04:58, 20 Dec 2004 (MST)
**Your edit is on the page [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Homestar_presents:_Presents&redirect=no Homestar presents: Presents]. I made a template on this page ([[Homestar Presents: Presents]] - note correct capitalization) and posted that the transcript was in progress at around 1:40 EST. After I'd finished the entire page (picture, cast list, transcript, fun facts, and easter eggs), I noticed the other page with the incorrect capitalization. Since all it had was a cast list, the lone easter egg, and a couple of Fun Facts that I didn't have, I took the Fun Facts that weren't already on my page and moved them there, then deleted the rest of that page and changed it to a redirect to this page. -- [[User:Forteblast|Forteblast]] 10:05, 20 Dec 2004 (MST)
***That's all well and good, but you did use my text in the easter egg (at least in the italic scene description), unless somehow we had the exact same wording (which I doubt). As petty as it may seem, I'd like credit for it in some way. It's a little annoying to put work into something and have someone else delete it. -- [[User:FireLily|FireLily]]
*Could Coach Z talking on an unplugged phone be a refrence to the film The Waterboy?  There's a scene in which Coach Klein (Henry Winkler) talks to "grandma" on a phone and as the camera pans down, it is revealed that the phone reciever is unplugged.. and he's wearing high heels.
**Maybe. Why don't you post it on the [[HRWiki:STUFF|STUFF]] page? [[User:Forteblast|Forteblast]] 10:05, 20 Dec 2004 (MST)
**It could also be a reference to replacement and that one toon where in swf you can see something unplugged in Marzipan's house.

== Snowfall sound ==

We've heard the snowfall sound before.  Where?  It's not from sweet cuppin' cakes that I can figure, and I went through all 22 main pages looking for a reference that would trigger my memory.  Anybody remember?  [[User:spblat|spblat]] 17:48, 20 Dec 2004 (MST)

Ah yes. It's Homsar walking.  [[User:spblat|spblat]]

Oh. Uh, um. No it's not. Sorry guys.  [[User:spblat|spblat]]

:I talk to myself too. →''<small><tt>[[User:FireBird|<font color=green>FireBird</font>]]</tt></small>''

== Fun facts ==

Is it just me or do the fun facts on this page need to be cut by about 75%?  Most of them really don't seem to be "fun" enough... --[[User:Nerdular Nerdence|Nerdular Nerdence]] 00:53, 22 Dec 2004 (MST)
:It almost ALWAYS seems like that, but frankly some of them are still notable, if not "fun". Unless it's obviously wrong, already mentioned or just way way too vague, why do we get so paranoid about them? --[[User:Shadow Hog|Shadow Hog]] 09:37, 22 Dec 2004 (MST)

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::''Homsar's paintbrush rings like a bell.''  '''Duh.'''<br>
::''Strong Bad's Grabbo Arm makes the same noises as Homestar's tricked-out propeller cap in car./The dripping during Strong Sad's scene is the same sound used in Main Page 14.''  '''All the sounds on the site are recycled.  So what?'''<br>
::''Apparently Free Country, USA has a wharf, although Strong Bad didn't know this either, despite him appearing in a boat in both lures & jigs and montage.'' '''This needs rewriting... maybe ''Strong Bad didn't know Free Country USA had a wharf, even though he has appeared in a boat in [[lures & jigs]] and [[montage]].''  The first part of this fun fact is just repeating the end joke.'''<br>
::''Homsar quote of "You're a real state trooper" may be a commonly mistaken lyric from "Straight Shooter" by The Mamas and the Papas. The real lyric says "You're a real straight shooter"/It could also be a parody on the phrase, "You're a real trooper", a phrase which usually means, "You're pretty tough!"''  '''Or, more likely, it is Homsar being stupid and random again.'''<br>
::''When we see Homestar's clock in the beginning of the toon at 9:59, and then it turns to 10:00, that looks a little like the way they show Phil Connors's clock repeatedly turning from 5:59 to 6:00 in the movie Groundhog Day.'' '''Seriously.  A lot of clocks look like that.  Probably not a reference.'''<br>
::''It is a little odd that Homestar runs out of the house naked, considering that he had a shirt on when he woke up.'' '''Yeah, that's the joke, "Naked somehow"...'''<br>
::''Both Homestar and Strong Bad imply Homestar has slept through Decemberween before, but Bubs and Marzipan do not recognize that it has.''  '''Huh?  Homestar impies that?  Where?  If this is worth keeping, it needs serious rewording...'''<br>
:::--[[User:Nerdular Nerdence|Nerdular Nerdence]] 11:00, 22 Dec 2004 (MST) is fed up with the STUFF page, where nothing seems to get done

Feel free to [[STUFF]] these, that's what it's for.  --[[User:Chrysaor|Chrysaor]]

Yeah... see my signature on the previous post for more info.  :P  --[[User:Nerdular Nerdence|Nerdular Nerdence]] 16:23, 23 Dec 2004 (MST) makes no more comments for now
:Putting them in STUFF would be every bit as productive as putting them here. --[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]
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''Homestar takes about 15 minutes to go from his house to Bubs' Concession Stand; he woke up at 10, and then told Bubs that he had an 1 hour and 45 minutes left when he got to the concession stand.''
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When Homestar exits his house, he ends up outside, "naked somehow" with [[Cinnamon]] on his face.  Therefore, in addition to traveling to Bubs' Concession Stand, he had to get dressed and remove the cinnamon in the fifteen minutes between 10 and 10:15, and it is impossible to tell how long it took him to get to Bubs'.
--[[User:Badpuncentral|Badpuncentral]] 23:36, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

== Homestar or Marzipan's house? ==

Hmm, how do we know this isn't Marzipan's house? It looks like her house from 3 times halloween funjob. And I thought Homestar's house was red with spots.

== some little comments ==

*The sound quality is higher than normal, resulting in crisper sound compared to other toons on the site.
:I had removed this, but now agree after listening to it on my system with 5.1 speakers - sorry.

*Homestar's alarm clock here is different from the alarm clock in radio. It was apparently made just for him, as it says "Homestar's Clock" right on it.
:I had rewritten/consolidated these, but now wondering if the first part (or all) is worth noting, as I noticed the clock radio in [[radio]] appears to be in a different room (at least on a different piece of furniture in the same room) - so who cares if he has different clock in another room?

--[[User:BaconSandwich|BaconSandwich]] 22:38, 17 Feb 2005 (MST)

==Panic Room==
I removed a "fact" about the credits resembling those from the movie Panic Room. This seems a stretch even by my standards. Post a comparison shot and we can reconsider. [[User:Drhaggis|<nowiki></nowiki>]]- [[User:Drhaggis|Dr Haggis]] - [[User talk: Drhaggis|Talk]] 21:32, 27 Mar 2005 (MST)

:I have to admit I thought of ''[[imdb:tt0258000|Panic Room]]'' when I first saw the title sequence of this toon as well.  I'm surprised I managed to find not only [http://www.dvdtalk.com/cinemagotham/archives/000536.html some screenshots] of the movie, but an entire article about the opening sequence.  That quicktime movie they link to doesn't seem to be working, but you can watch the opening credits at [http://www.picturemill.com/ picturemill.com].  ("What we do" --> "Film" --> "Main Titles" --> Scroll right [about six times] --> "Panic Room")  Isn't the Internet great?[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]]  --  [[User:Tom|Tom]] 00:40, 28 Mar 2005 (MST)
==Closed Fun Facts==
=== Wizard of Oz (Declined) ===
Homsar "ringing" the paintbrush may be a reference to the Dark Side of the Moon/Wizard of Oz sync. One of the syncs is a paintbrush being moved up and down, and a bell ringing.

*'''Decline.''' Complete speculation.  Some people don't seem to understand that H*R is a silly cartoon, not a carefully thought out parody. --24.21.86.243 23:56, 2 Jan 2005 (MST)
**'''Accept.''' And in what other context do paintbrushes ring?  This kind of pointless and obscure reference is right up the Chaps' alley.  It's not like it's the first obscure reference to be found in the toons; heck, just look at the costumes in every Halloween toon.--[[User:HeartBurn Kid|HeartBurn Kid]] 11:15, 25 Jan 2005 (MST)
***'''Accept Second'd''' I myself have not seen the DSotM/WoO sync, but if the original sync is there, I believe this should be a legitimate reference.  And that 'Complete speculation' vote (and every other on this page) should be discounted as a joke vote as it is obvious trolling. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 23:51, 25 Feb 2005 (MST)
***'''Second''' --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 10:19, 11 Mar 2005 (MST)
****Actually, there's a reason why it appears more than once. See, 24.21.86.243 put a WHOLE LOT of facts under one heading and voted for all of them with a single "Decline, Complete speculation, carefully thought out parody, etc." Then someone split the facts and duplicated the (at the time) two votes that were given, for each one. (I think racerx was the other duplicated vote.) So it wasn't REALLY trolling, just one person with a bad voting scheme and someone who split them like this. See my comment on the next fact! --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 00:41, 26 Feb 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' --[[User:racerx is alive|racerx_is_alive]] 13:21, 12 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' This is merely adding to the fact that Homsar is excempt from reality's physics. -Walikng Armless
**'''Decline for the pudgy.''' What the armless guy said. --[[User:Beatfox|Beatfox]] 02:04, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*'''Second''' I think that is just Homsar-ness. --[[User:Lappy 486]]
===Coach Z's Phone (Accepted)===
Coach Z's phone is the same one from [[replacement]].

*'''Revise.''' Say that it's similar to the one from [[replacement]]. [[User:Upsilon|--[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]]]
*'''Revise.''' It's not the same phone, but the phone cord being broken might be a reference to [[replacement|replacement's]] red phone [[Strong Bad]] used. [[User:thatkidsam|thatkidsam votes on a STUFF'd fun fact again!]]
*Inconclusive. It's not clear whether both of these revisions are the same one. --[[User:MadEwokHerd|MadEwokHerd]] 15:17, 5 Jan 2005 (MST)
**Well, they're not really the same. Mine says "similar", his says "reference". --[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]
*'''Revise.''' Say that it 'resembles' the phone from replacement.  Do not say "similar" or "reference"!
*'''Decline!''' No! They're just reusing shapes! Remember the ketchup and the haggler?

=== Blade man (Declined)===
The rusty steak knife being perfect for Coach Z may reference the fact that he's a "blade man, man" from [[personal favorites]].

*'''Decline.''' This, and the phone without the wire, is a reference to a disturbingly dark cartoon "Salad Fingers" whose title character enjoys touching rusty objects and once used a similar phone.
**You need to sign your decline, please. Otherwise, it doesn't count. [[User:Kamek|Kamek]] 09:34, 21 Jan 2005 (MST)
**Ew, I didn't pick up the Salad Fingers reference. That is a fun fact. (Please don't comment on my stupidity if it's already in the fun facts; I haven't been to that page in a bit) - [[User:Gydea|Gydea]]
*'''Neutral.''' It's possible, but it's more likely that the rusty steak knife was more of a prelude to Coach Z's Decemberween TV dinner. He didn't seem to have any utensils to eat the salisbury steak with. [[User:Kamek|Kamek]] 09:34, 21 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' The original dialogue was "I'm a white guy with a knife!".It was edited out. So Coach Z had to say something different.
*Using a rusty stake knife does not make him a blade man, man. '''Declined man, man.''' [[User: Lappy 486]]
=== Slippers (Accepted)===
Homestar's bunny slippers have the eyes and ears upside down relative to one another. This is also true in [[caper]].

*'''Decline.''' It is not interesting when it is easily observed while watching the cartoon. For example, "Homestar wears a propeller cap" would not make a good fun fact.  --24.21.86.243 00:02, 3 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Rewrite''' it and put up a page for [[Homestar Runner's Sleepwear|Homestar's Bunny Slippers]] in the clothing category of the Items page. --[[user:pianoplayerontheroof|Pianoplayerontheroof]]
**Done. --[[user:pianoplayerontheroof|Pianoplayerontheroof]]
*'''Accept'''  Pointing out that their upsidedown is perfectly reasonable.  And for lords sake, not every other fun fact HAS to be STUFF'd--[[User:68.4.92.98|68.4.92.98]] 22:22, 3 Jan 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' I agree on the STUFFing - the issue about 'Order?' on [[rock opera]] should not have been STUFF'd in the first place.  --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 23:48, 25 Feb 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 18:48, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*'''Accept'''--  [[User: Lappy 486]]

=== Length Of Grabbo Arm (Declined)===
The grabbo arm is about 3/4ths of the length of the screen, and judging by Strong Bad's height, and the chart on Strong Bad Is In Jail Cartoon, the grabbo arm is about 6 feet long. Since Strong Bad is  about 4 feet long and the grabbo arm is a little higher than him, therefore the measurement. --[[User:RPharazon|RPharazon]]
Oh yeah, I used the SWF file for this, and I had an insane amount of time because that's the only SB thing I had during my vacation...

*'''Revise but Accept''' This is very interesting, although we do not know how far off the screen the grabbo arm goes. You should judge by the ratio of the hight of the diamond-shaped workings of the grabbo arm and the length of the grabbo arm itself to find out how long it actually is. Then determine how long it is in proportion to Strong Bad. Needs a bit more work, but it could be a very interesting fact!
**'''Comment.''' Actually you CAN see how far the Grabbo Arm goes off screen. just watch the .swf file. [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 14:52, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' Hmmm... TBC don't really pay attention to scale (see the DVD commentary for [[flag day]] and [[new hands]]), so I don't think this method of figuring real-life measures of length are relevant. -- [[User:FortyTwo|FortyTwo]] 21:57, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.'''-- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 22:13, 15 Jan 2005 (CST)
*'''Neutral''' There's a way to find out for sure how far off the screen it went. Save the Flash file to your computer. now squish the window verticly then stretch it out so you can see it in sort of a WIDESCRRRRREEEEEEEEN version to see what you don't on the webpage.
*'''Decline.''' This particular item isn't really that 'fun', is it? --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 20:41, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' You stretched it, not that big of a deal. --[[User:Stinkoman K|Stinkoman K]]

=== It's odd considering... (Declined)===
It's odd considering Homestar went to bed on the 23rd and didn't wake up till decemberween that his tear-away calender was on the 25th. He obviosly didn't change it because he was sleeping.

*'''Decline''', if only because I'm not sure what this means. It's riddled with poor spelling and grammar and doesn't make a lot of sense. [[User:Upsilon|--[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]]]
*'''Accept''', Here, let me revise this a bit. If Homestar had been sleeping since the 23rd, how did his calender get set to the 25th? [[User:James|--[[User:James|James]]]] (I'm not logged in)
**'''Second''', I'm the one that wrote this one. Thanks James for revising. [[User:Xhycho|Xhycho]]
**'''Second.''' {{User:Rainer/sig}}
**Had he been sleeping since the 23rd? Since he complains about having set his alarm for 10 pm, it implies that he went to bed on the night of the 24th. --[[User:Upsilon|[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]]]
*'''Revise and Accept''' as per James' suggestion, but not in the form of a question. [[User:InterruptorJones|<nowiki></nowiki>]]<small>&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]]</small>[[<nowiki></nowiki>]] 21:38, 20 Dec 2004 (MST)
**'''Second.'''--[[User:Lyzz|Lyzz~]]
**'''Second.''' It is notable. -- [[User:Mithent|Mithent]] 06:29, 23 Dec 2004 (MST)
*'''Decline or Revise.''' We have no way of knowing that he went to bed on the 23rd.  Decemberween could have just snuck up on him like days do to people sometimes.  Haven't you even woken up and realized with a start, "Oh, crap, it's Monday!" when you have something important?  Furthermore, it's ''Homestar.'' He needs no excuse to be confused. --[[User:FortyTwo|FortyTwo]] 14:46, 25 Dec 2004 (MST)
*'''Accept''' No,No I haven't. [[User:Xycho|Xycho]]
*This is probably incorrect but still worth noting as it's a common understanding of the cartoon (I assumed he went to bed on the 23rd, and so did my mother, and apparently some other people on this wiki). I've added this: --[[User:MadEwokHerd|MadEwokHerd]] 15:46, 5 Jan 2005 (MST)
*:If Homestar slept through December 24 (as many assume after watching this toon), he could not have changed his tear-away calendar to the 25th. An alternative explanation is that Decemberween simply snuck up on him.
*'''Decline or Rewrite''' --Your taking a cartoon too serious.[[User:Mr. Sparkle|Mr. Sparkle]]
**Which is entirely the point of fun facts, my good sir. --[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]
*'''Neutral''' OK OK. sheesh. 23rd, 24th, BIG WHOOP. just fix MY mistake and leave it at that. [[User:Xhycho|Xhycho]]
*'''Comment''' It has been pointed out that his clock has no AM/PM indicator, and according to my reasoning, he could not have set it more than 12 hours in advance. When I consider this dubious fun fact (It's odd considering...) and the point that I made on the fun fact about Homestar's clock, Homestar could have changed his calendar when he woke up on December 25th, and set his clock to 10 PM and gone back to sleep, because he simply did not realize that the 25th was significant, nor did he realize... anything... about time. Sorry for the long-winded comment, but it makes sense to me.
**'''Comment on the comment.''' That just occurred to me as well - What does Homestar do at the end of the toon when Strong Bad reminds him there's only 7 minutes left?  He runs around like a maniac because he "forgot to buy presents"... just like he does at the beginning of the toon.  It's even possible that he went through the same thing earlier in the day and we just don't see it.  Given the "12 hours in advance" limitation, unless Strong Bad broke into his house and messed with his clock sometime during the day, Homestar would have had to be up no earlier than 10 AM on the 25th. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 21:22, 15 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept''' Good eye! --[[User:Stinkoman K|Stinkoman K]]
*'''Comment.''' What I don't understand is why you know he started sleeping on the 23rd. -[[User:oopsyoubwokeit|oopsyoubwokeit]] 13:40, 21 Mar 2005 (MST)

=== "state trooper" (Declined)===
Homsar's line "You're a real state trooper" is a commonly mistaken lyric from the song '''Straight Shooter''' by The Mamas and the Papas.  The real lyric is "You're a real straight shooter." [[User: Terra Rising|Terra Rising]]  Dec 27, 2004 1:40 AM (PST)

(Correction:  I made a mistake.  The line in the song is "'''I'm''' a real straight shooter" Homsar is talking in the second person. (re: "''Hi, Wonder Mike''" in his characters video.) [[User: Terra Rising|Terra Rising]] Dec 29, 2004 7:34 PM (PST)

''Am I allowed to add this to the main page now?'' [[User: Terra Rising|Terra Rising]] Jan 09, 2005 12:40 AM

*'''Decline'''-- But only because I think it is more like "You're a real trooper" with "state" put in. [[User: PaxMan356|PaxMan356]]  Dec 28, 2004 2:22 PM (EST)
**'''Second''' Yeah. [[User: Ingeniousknight|Ingeniousknight]] Jan 2, 2005 3:52 PM (EST)
**'''Second.''' - [[User:SailorMarzipan|SailorHippyGirl]]
**'''Second''' (Although FYI: without the "state," it would be "You're a real ''trouper''," with an ''-ou-'', not ''-oo-''. ''Trouper'' = one who handles adversity well.) [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 10:15, 22 Jan 2005 (MST)
***'''Comment:''' I don't think the Brothers Chaps know this. See [[crying]]. [[User:134.241.227.51|134.241.227.51]] 06:51, 25 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''', or Fifth, whicever works. --[[User:flashstorm|flashstorm]] 14:15, 14 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept.''' I't sounds pretty reasonable that it is a reference to the misheard lyrics. that would fit in with his normal type of speech,wouldn't it? --[[User:pianoplayerontheroof|Pianoplayerontheroof]]
*<s>'''Neutral''' If someone could confirm that these are commonly misheard lyrics, I'd accept it, but a google search for the phrase only shows links related to Homsar.</s> --[[User:MadEwokHerd|MadEwokHerd]] 19:23, 28 Dec 2004 (MST)
*'''Accept''' --[[User:MadEwokHerd|MadEwokHerd]] 15:28, 30 Dec 2004 (MST)
*<b> Decline </b> Janik
*'''Decline''' There are people named ''State Troopers''. Sheesh, all of this rhyming stuff. Ok, Homestar Runner rhymes with Domepar Stunner. So it's a reference to that tv show? Come on, that kind of thing annoys me! [[User:Pop tire|Pop tire]] 22:09, 24 Mar 2005 (MST)

=== Grabbo Arm Sound (Accepted)===
Strong Bad's Grabbo Arm makes the same noises as Homestar's tricked-out propeller cap in [[car]].

*'''Accept''' Yes, this is just a copy and paste, but it is interesting and fun. It suggests a similarity of the internal workings of the two devices. --[[User:pianoplayerontheroof|Pianoplayerontheroof]]
**'''Second.''' Although this ''is'' a "glitch," I do agree that it is fun! --[[User:evin290|evin290]] 19:56, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' Yes, TBC reuse things occasionally.  This is because they are using Flash, and can copy and paste.  These fall under "Glitches due to Flash software" above and do not make good fun facts. --24.21.86.243 00:02, 3 Jan 2005 (MST)
**Reusing something =/= glitch. A glitch is a bug or something messed up that happens even though it's not supposed to. Before you start criticizing others placement, you might want to consider working on yours. --[[User:super orange!|super orange!]] 19:14, 3 Jan 2005 (MST)
***Second to the part about calling these 'glitches'. --[[User:pianoplayerontheroof|Pianoplayerontheroof]]
*'''FunFact=very yes.''' I like this fun fact a lot, and even remember it when it was among the other fun facts. I wonder why it was stuff'd. [[User:TakuaKaita600|TakuaKaita600]] 18:17, 12 Apr 2005 (MDT)
*'''Decline.''' And Strong Bad's left boxing glove looks the same as his right boxing glove...

=== If you go up stairs you are on the second floor (Declined) ===
[[Homestar's House | Homestar's room]] is up a flight of stairs, so it's probably on the second floor.

* True but uninteresting fact 24.21.86.243 23:42, 2 Jan 2005 (MST)
* '''decline''' A tad too obvious. --[[User:super orange!|super orange!]] 22:24, 3 Jan 2005 (MST)
** '''Second''' [[User:Kilroy|<nowiki></nowiki>]]&mdash;[[User:Kilroy|Kilroy]]/<small><sub>[[User talk:Kilroy|talk]]</sub></small>[[<nowiki></nowiki>]] 20:25, 21 Jan 2005 (MST)
* '''Rewrite''' Maybe you could add something about the fact that Homestar's house looks like a one story from the out-side. [[Xycho]]
**No, it doesn't 24.21.86.243 12:56, 6 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' That's like saying: "Homestar uses a ladder to get on the roof of his house, so his roof must be really high up". {{User:Rainer/sig}}
**'''Second.''' --[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]
*'''Decline.''' Like the title says, "If you go up stairs you are on the second floor!" Nobody cares that his room is on the second floor. Most rooms are.
**'''Comment''' - Most houses are one-storey. ''"Most rooms are"''' I wouldn't say that most bedrooms are on a second level. Most bedrooms are on the first level because most houses are one-storey. {{User:Rainer/sig}}
*'''Decline''' Well EXCUSE ME. [[user:Xycho|Xycho]]
*'''Accept'''  This is interesting because it is here that it's ''revealed'' that Homestar's room is near a flight of stairs. Also, it's not as obvious as you might think. For one, his falling down the stairs happens quickly and off camera, so you might miss it or think that he's fallen down his front steps. Then there's the fact that we've never seen an exterior shot of this version of Homestar's house, so it's mere speculation that there even ''is'' a second story. He could have fallen into the basement for all we know. [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 10:15, 22 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Declinio''' [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 14:58, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)
*'''Rewrite''' "Since there is a staircase next to Homestr's room, either his room is on the second floor or he has a basement." That should take care of any confusion.--[[User:homestar3.14|homestar3.14]] 17:31, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*'''Decline''' That is about as obvious as saying "if there is a building with 5 floors and you go to the top floor, you are on the 5th floor." [[User: Lappy 486]]

=== Homestar's Clock (Accepted) ===
It is unclear how Homestar's clock could even differentiate between 10:00 am and 10:00 pm -- usually analog clocks have a light or indicator when it is night time, but Homestar's clock has none.

*First of all, ''analog'' clocks usually don't have an indicator, and Homestar's clock is called a ''digital'' clock.  Second of all, most people can tell whether it is AM or PM by looking outside. --24.21.86.243 10:00, 3 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Revise and accept''' Not in Alaska.
*'''Revise and accept''' first of all, this IS a electric analog clock, uses small wheels inside with the numbers, i've seen this style before, also there is no indicator on this model but not all of them have it, normally they use a ssmall ne-2 indicator lamp with a 56k series resistor, he can tell am/pm by looking outside the window behind the clock but where are the buttons to set the alarm if any and when did you hear any alarm or see him shut it off? <nowiki>~~Frogz~~</nowiki>
**You know alot about clocks.
*'''Revise and accept''' What matters isn't whether Homestar can tell if it's AM or PM. He claims that he accidentally set the alarm for PM instead of AM, but how could he do that if the clock can't tell the difference between AM and PM? That's what's weird. (Frogz: Alarm buttons might be on back, and the music could be a short alarm.)
**'''Second.''' --[[User:MadEwokHerd|MadEwokHerd]] 20:39, 3 Jan 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' --[[User:GregHosting|GregHosting]] 06:14, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Rewrite''' To something like: 
*Homestar says that he accidentally set his alarm for 10 PM instead of AM, but it is unclear how his clock can show the difference between AM and PM in the first place. There is no indicator! 
**Maybe this is the cause of the confusion. -- all by [[User:pianoplayerontheroof|Pianoplayerontheroof]]
**'''Second.''' --[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]
**'''Third.'''..I mean.. '''Second.''' --[[User:RPharazon|RPharazon]]
**'''Second''' [[User:Kilroy|<nowiki></nowiki>]]&mdash;[[User:Kilroy|Kilroy]]/<small><sub>[[User talk:Kilroy|talk]]</sub></small>[[<nowiki></nowiki>]] 20:14, 21 Jan 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' But get rid of the "Homestar says" part. Thats already noted in the transcript and adds un-needed weight to the fact. Just say "Its unclear how Homestar's clock can...and the rest"..[[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Accept''' However, I think another important thing is the fact that if the clock does not have an AM/PM indicator, then Homestar would have had to set him clock after 10 AM (because, obviously, you can't set a clock like that any more than 12 hours in advance), further proving how...ahem... absent-minded he is.
*'''Decline''' I think we're trying to make a very complicated issue out of a very subtle joke - with no indicator, he COULDN'T have set it for AM or PM, in which case, his statement isn't false, it's just stupid... which isn't surprising coming from Homestar.  --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 20:43, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
*<Strike>'''Decline''' because his clock might have an indicator light that is on when it is AM and off when it is PM. I mean, my clock does.</Strike> Oops. Just watched the 'toon again and realized that his clock is NOT the same as mine. I'll be more careful next time. [[User:Fizz123|Fizz123]](I'm not logged in.)
*'''Accept.''' [[User:Super Sam|Super Sam]] 08:06, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*'''Oh, cwap! It's Declined!''' Yeah, he looks outside to tell the PM.... [[User: Lappy 486]]
*'''Accept''' The clock needs to know the difference between AM and PM. It's clear Homestar can tell the difference by looking out the window, but what good is that if he can't look until his alarm wakes him? - [[User:Song from 60s|Song from 60s]] 08:16, 19 May 2005 (UTC)
**'''Second''' -- [[User:Tony Stony|Tony Stony]] 20:06, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

=== Charlie Brown (Accepted as part of [[Homestar's House]]) ===
The view of the outside of the house (panelling and steps) is very similar to Charlie Brown's house, which may explain the departure from previous toons.

''This information, while mostly true, belongs on [[Homestar's House]], which it is.''

*'''Decline.''' Complete speculation.  Some people don't seem to understand that H*R is a silly cartoon, not a carefully thought out parody. --24.21.86.243 23:56, 2 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept''' Some people don't seem to understand that H*R has elements of a carefully thought-out parody, and is not just a silly cartoon. [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 10:22, 22 Jan 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' --[[User:Stinkoman K|Stinkoman K]]
*'''Accept.''' --[[User:racerx is alive|racerx_is_alive]] 13:21, 12 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Neutral''' The fact is correct, but it's less likely a parody of Charlie Brown THIS time. See, it's EXACTLY the same as in [[The Best Decemberween Ever]], which has MUCH stronger Charlie Brown overtones. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 14:00, 25 Jan 2005 (MST)
**'''Weak Decline.''' ...for the reasons stated above.  Since the previous year's Decemberween toon had a very strong Charlie Brown reference, the repeated instance in this year's toon is less significant.  However, if you include this item, you have to include a similar item in [[3 Times Halloween Funjob]], as the POV where Homestar is knocking on Marzipan's door is the same kind of setup as stated here. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 23:43, 8 Apr 2005 (MDT)
*'''Move''' to [[Homestar's House]]. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 19:54, 25 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept''' Anyone who declines this must not think straight, I mean come on, Homestar walks right out of his house and to the brick wall just like in "peanuts" cartoons what i'm really tring to say is this is most definatley a parody of charlie brown and whoever doesn't think so is obviously just trying too annoy people -Smoth Criminal
**'''Comment.''' You're thinking of Best Decemberween Ever - Homestar Presents: Presents doesn't have the brick wall. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]]

=== Coach Z's disconnected reciever (Declined) ===
Coach Z talking on an unplugged phone may be a reference to the film The Waterboy. There's a scene in which <i>Coach</i> Klein (Henry Winkler) talks to "grandma" on a phone and as the camera pans down, it is revealed that the phone reciever is unplugged. --[[User:TDK|TDK]]

*'''Revise, accept.''' It's plausible, but I'm not sure the high heels part is necessary. --[[User:Lyzz|Lyzz]]
**Rephrased so it isn't a question, removed the bit about high heels. --[[User:TDK|TDK]]
*'''Accept.''' This sounds more likely to me than the Salad Fingers thing.  --[[User:Chrysaor|Chrysaor]]
*'''Revise, accept.''' I think that a fun fact should be listed that explains both speculations, for example: "There has been quite some speculation about Coach Z talking on his unplugged phone. Some say it is a reference to the Salad Fingers series, in which Salad Fingers uses a similar phone, and also due to the rusty steak knife, as Salad Fingers likes to touch rusty objects. Others say it is a reference to the film The Waterboy, as in one scene, Coach Klein(Henry Winkler) talks to "grandma" on a phone and as the camera pans down, it is revealed that the phone reciever is unplugged. --[[User:Ogog|Ogog]]
**'''Comment''' Talk about bloated - that revision is a STUFF item just waiting to happen.  We're working with Fun '''Facts''' here, not semi-random speculations.  In any case, this is an awful lot to be posting about something as silly (pathetic?) as Coach Z talking on a disconnected phone. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]]
*<b>Decline</b> It may actually be, but until TBC confirm it, it's just speculation. -- [[User:AnarchyBalsac|AnarchyBalsac]]
*'''Declined... oh, that's rough''' I've seen this joke on Married with Children too. It's probably been used a lot of other places as well. And again with the dreaded "may be"... [[User:Dasrik|Dasrik]] 01:29, 15 May 2005 (UTC)
*Uh, I'm guessing you haven't seen The Waterboy. Look at the similarities:
 *disconnected phone
 *the word "Coach" in both names
 *both were talking to family
 *both were in a dining area
That's enough for me. '''Oh, ACCEPT, it's you.''' [[User:Cheatachu72|Cheatachu72]] 20:49, 29 May 2005 (UTC)
*Oh, great. It's another "Change of Pace". I mean it. There is no notable difference between this and Change of Pace in my eyes. '''Decline''' for the same reason. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 20:54, 29 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Decline''' Just when i sorta regained confidence in non-speculating Fun Facts.  There is no notable similarity in this.  Its a comic gag, not a reference.  Even if it might be reference, we do not have enough proof to validate it as a "fact".  In response to Jay, I don't think this will be another Change of Pace, if only because this cartoon did not come out one day after Waterboy.  If that had happened it might be impossible to deflect this "fun" "reference." -- [[User:Tony Stony|Tony Stony]] 20:09, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
* '''ACCEPT''' I cried,I cried like a ten year old girl..i mean[[User:Pac-man|Pac-man]] 19:57, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
*'''Decline.''' Orffsetting the accept above -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 20:07, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
*'''Decline.''' &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 15:16, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

== Tony Stony ==

Should Tony Stony really be under Cast, since it's an item? -[[User:DMurphy|DMurphy]] 03:59, 3 May 2005 (UTC)

== Day/Night Goof ==
Hasn't anyone said anything about the fact that it is suddenly daylight while Homestar is going throught the aught four crap? Is this right?
::No, sorry, but it isn't right. Try viewing the Flash file and manipulating the window size. You can see the sky at all times if you do (outside, anyways). --Annonymous User Number 69.139.163.12

==undercover strongbad==
don't you guys think that strongbad is in a homsar costume?i mean, "alms for the pudgy"?that even sound to non sensible for homsar.and "youre a real state trooper"seems to sensible,and he says alms for the pudgy twice!homsar never says anything twice.any comments?-stretchyman.

== Weird Glitch ==

Today when I decided to watch this toon I saw something '''''really''''' weird. THE CLOCK WAS COUNTING UP!!!! And it was counting up '''super slowly''' and when it got to 9 it just went back to 1 and it started counting up normal speed. But when it got to 9 it just went back to 1 and it the clock was counting in that pattern. {{User:Tampo/sig}} 14:15, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
:And another thing, when it is counting very slowly and it reaches 9 the number of minutes goes up by one. {{User:Tampo/sig}} 14:17, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, It Does That After The 25. Decemberween is on the 25.-[[User:Homsar7|Homsar7]]
: No, that's not normal. The timer should decrease, not increase, and there should be a zero somewher in there. I'm not in a position to check it right now, but I'll check it this evening if I remember. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 19:44, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
: ... except that this discussion is about two months old. Eh, I'll still check it. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 19:45, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

== Alms For The Pudgy? ==

This has to be my favorite Homsar quote. Go Homsar! -[[User:Homsar7|Homsar7]]

Is this really a salvation army referance? "Alms for the (poor/other condition)" is an archaic begging call (also used in [[Wikipedia:Monty Python's Life of Brian|Life of Brian]] to give an example ([http://www.mwscomp.com/movies/brian/brian-05.htm alms for an ex-leper?])), although having not seen a SA christmas drive i can't comment on the similarity with the bucket and 'bell' -- [[User:DumbMuscle|DumbMuscle]] 17:46, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

== Madstyle ==

<blockquote>And you'd put them in the back of the windshield of the Madstyle—</blockquote>

What's a Madstyle? --[[User:Jnelson09|Jnelson09]] 20:59, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
:I really can't tell from [http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=madstyle Google]... Anyone else? --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

::It sounds like it has to be a car, but I can't think of anything either.  Is there a possibility it was mistranscribed? {{User:Trey56/sig}} 21:16, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

== On the subject of no AM/PM light... ==

Didn't he <b>look out the window</b> and notice the moon being out?
:Yes he did, no-signer guy. However, he says that he set the clock for PM instead of AM, but there didn't seem to be any way to tell. --[[User:Jnelson09|Jnelson09]] 20:22, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

== Audio ==

Anyone notice the Audio quality of this cartoon is a little higher than normal? Maybe it's my brand new super-duper soundcard, but I doubt it. [[User:Sneakernets|Sneakernets]] 07:47, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

== Aught? ==
I must be missing something. What doese "aught" mean anyway [[User:Yo yo mom|Yo yo mom]] 10:27, 25 December 2007
:[http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/aught "Aught"] is another way of saying "zero", really. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 04:37, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
::Er, no. "Ought" is a cipher, a zero. "Aught" is a way of saying "should", as "I aught to be going to the store." {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 09:46, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
:::Er, maybe. I may have them backwards. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 09:50, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
::::Qermaq, you most certainly do have them backwards. In response to yo momma, let'[s put it in perspective. This was the Decemberween toon for 2004. or oh-four, or aught-four. As aught-five was right around the corner, bubs was preparing. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 14:31, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

== Countdown clock ==

Now, I'm not sure of the exact minutes til dween, but right now the countdown clock at the end says 570 minutes til decemberween, which someone pointed out on the talk page. Should this be in goofs ro something? --[[User:Acam30|Acam30]] 19:29, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
:By my calculations, it seems to be counting down the minutes until the end of '''June''' 25. And this makes sense (a little), knowing that June is the 6th month, and December is the 12th. This corresponds with the lone fixed goof of the toon, adding to the confusion. {{User:DevonM/sig}} 20:53, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
::This freaking clock... the thing was wrong with it before? That's in "fixed" goofs? I think it's doing that again. So... it's not a fixed goof anymore, I don't think. {{User:Acam30/sig}} 15:04, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
:::Guys? It's still doing it. And I'm not one for editing pages, especially because I have no clue how to word it. {{User:Acam30/sig}} 16:01, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
::::Nevermind. I think I did it. {{User:Acam30/sig}} 16:05, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

== strong sad ==

Did anybody notice that homestar thought about strong sad when he wasn't there most of the time strong sad has to talk or be around for a long time for someone to even notice him           (ben thompson)

== FLASH FILE'D ==

The flash file goes to the 404 page. This means that the link is false. If the file was tooken off the site, the 'toon wouldn't play at all, so there is a working flash file. Can anyone find it? {{User:Star Guy/sig}} 23:14, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
:The Flash file works fine for me. Must be something on your end. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 04:50, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
::Sorry, I fixed it after seeing this and apparently forgot to reply here. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 04:52, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
:::Oh! That explains everything! ''{The End}'' --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 04:53, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

== We are the champions ==

When strong bad says "it goes on and on and on" could it be a reference to the Queen song "we are the champions"
<br><blockquote>And we going on and on and on and on.
<br>We are the champions my friend...</blockquote>

<br>-pgj1997
:Most likely not. Just Strong Bad saying it goes on until New Year's. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 01:42, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

::Are you saying strong bad saying it goes on and on and on until new years is a reference?
:::No, I'm saying it's not a reference. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 01:49, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
::::it's almost as likely as it is to being a reference to Don't Stop Believin' by Journey. In other words, it's not a reference to either one of them. {{User:The Knights Who Say Ni/sig}} 03:28, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

== O Christmas hairdo, O Christmas Hairdooooo....... ==

This one is about Marzi's hair in this one. Usually, chrstmas tree lights have to be plugged in, so, why, or should I say, WHERE, is the plug? Also, Question 2, IF they were plugged in, How could've she hid all the cords in her hair, because usualy, christmas lights comes in STRANDS..... so, even just to make a little bit of sence, the Xmas lights should've been in a diagonal pattern, or something! [[User:Jibblejibblejibble|Jibblejibblejibble]]

1. You can get short strands that use the same lights and run off a couple C battaries from the Dollar store.
2. The cords of such cheapo dollar store lights are usually thin, and I'll assume she used hair gel to lock them in place? I dunno. [[User:Ben Again|Ben Again]] 09:37, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

== Just the clock. ==

Is there anyway to get just the clock at the end without having to watch the cartoon? Or could someone make a version of the .swf that skips streight to the clock? I like to leave it open as a countdown 'till Christmas, but it's annoying when I have to close my browser for more speed for games, and then when I reopen it I need to hear this cartoon over again. Thanks for any help! [[User:Ben Again|Ben Again]] 09:34, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

I was just about to ask this question, only to find out I already did three years ago. [[User:Ben Again|Ben Again]] 01:25, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
:This isn't really the place to ask a question like that (it seems more appropriate for the forum), but I can think of two options. The clock is shown on a certain frame in the Flash file, and you will need something to skip to that frame. If you're using Firefox (or possibly Chrome, I'm not sure about the status of that), you can use [[User:Phlip/Greasemonkey|Phlip's Greasemonkey tool]] to add a frame counter and scrollbar to every 'toon on the site automatically. If not, you can download [http://www.globfx.com/downloads/swfplayer/ Swiff Player], then right-click on the link to the Flash file itself and save a copy on your computer, which you can use Swiff Player to open.
:Either way, you'll want to drag the scrollbar at the bottom of the window to frame 3201 to see the clock. If you don't scroll far enough you'll see part of the 'toon, and if you scroll too far you'll see the Easter Eggs. I hope that helps!
:Now, if you're asking if this should be a downloadable feature just like the Strong Bad clock, well... I agree. --{{User:Purple Wrench/sig}} 02:15, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

== The Alarm ==

A recently added trivia point claiming there's no alarm sound got me thinking, is the theme song (after the sleigh bells) a diegetic piece, coming from Hoemstar's alarm clock as his alarm noise? Wanted to edit it in but I don't wanna clutter up the trivia tab if it's something only I can see/hear. [[User:Guybrush20X6|Guybrush20X6]] 00:12, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
:I always understood the toon's song to be his alarm noise, given that the melody starts when Homestar's Clock strikes ten. {{User:The Knights Who Say Ni/sig}} 02:15, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

== Is this a run-on sentence? ==

<blockquote>The plot of the toon, which is to get someone a Decemberween present (though in The Best Decemberween Ever he only focused on Strong Bad, here, Homestar focuses on everyone).</blockquote>
A change of the comma after "Strong Bad" to a semicolon to fix a run-on was recently reverted because it "doesn't read as a run-on, and the 'though' clause before the semicolon is not a complete sentence", which I disagree with. I would argue that a comma belongs after "Ever", and that "In The Best Decemberween Ever, he only focused on Strong Bad" ''is'' a complete sentence. "Here, Homestar focuses on everyone" is another complete sentence. The part ''outside'' of the parentheses is not a complete sentence, which I didn't notice until I was writing this talk post, but I don't think that affects the inside of the parentheses. If it's not a run-on, there is also the less-well-known grammatical rule that says if multiple levels of commas are needed, the ones that define bigger groups are upgraded to semicolons, which would be another reason to put a semicolon after "Strong Bad". {{User:The Knights Who Say Ni/sig}} 23:45, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
: I agree with you. There should definitely be a stronger break there than a comma, and a semicolon seems best. (That the part outside the parentheses is not a complete sentence is fine, given it's part of a list.) --{{User:Jay/sig}} 02:51, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
:: Hmm, I was parsing it as though the parenthetical was its own sentence {{--}} as if its listing were "They include the plot of the toon, which is to get someone a Decemberween present. Though in The Best Decemberween Ever he only focused on Strong Bad, here, Homestar focuses on everyone." That seems grammatically correct to me (with "here, Homestar focuses on everyone" being modified by the "though" part {{--}} compare "Here, Homestar focuses on everyone, though in that toon he focused on Strong Bad.") but I'm guessing you're parsing it as "They include the plot of the toon, which is to get someone a Decemberween present, though in The Best Decemberween Ever he only focused on Strong Bad; here, Homestar focuses on everyone." Either one seems to me like a valid reading of the sentence due to the ambiguity of the parentheses, though parentheticals do tend to read more like an afterthought than anything (to me, at least). {{User:DEIDATVM/sig}} 13:59, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
::: On second look, I actually now agree that it's ambiguous, but NOT because it's a parenthetical. It's ambiguous because it can be read two different ways. One way requires a hard break, and one doesn't. It's all in how you interpret the "though" at the beginning of it. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 14:42, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
:::: Hi all, I went ahead and [http://hrwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Homestar_Presents:_Presents&diff=833200&oldid=833192&rcid=796252 reworded] the line in question to remove as much ambiguity as possible.  I do believe that two separate thoughts were being presented, and so I split them into separate sentences.  I think the first half of the line being a fragment is okay, since it's part of a list.  The second part is actually two thoughts, so semicolon works but they could even be split in two sentences I think!
:::: Also, if you remove all the parentheticals from the list, the list itself sounds fine.  Each of the parentheticals adds extra pertinent information.  I don't think the other two items need to be split into separate sentences, but given how complex the line in question was, I think this is the best way to make the line clearer and more grammatically correct.  Please let me know what you guys think! --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 15:34, 28 May 2024 (UTC)