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French Abbreviations

Originally someone said "The abbreviation for "Monsieur" is "M.", but it is misspelled as "Mssr." in the "French Countryside" e-mail." Then someone stuck below it that Mssr. actually stood for Monseigneur. These two stood for some time, uncombined, until someone combined them a few days ago, perhaps hastily: now it says that Monseigneur stands for Monsieur, which doesn't make much sense. So I hope to set this straight.

Monseigneur's usual abbreviation is actually Mgr. rather than Mssr. (take a look). Mssr. could be a misspelling of that, but it seems more likely to be a mistake based on the abbreviation Messrs. or Mssrs., short for Messieurs, the plural of Monsieur (whose abbreviation is indeed M.).

Incidentally, Monseigneur is an older word, for people of high rank -- I guess kind of like "milord" as compared to "mister." -- Minivet 11:12, 7 May 2005 (UTC)

"Slash"

Why is it noted in the transcript (and similarly in other transcripts) that Strong Bad pronounces "triumphantly/abundantly" as "triumphantly slash abundantly"? Is there any other way to pronounce it? It seems perfectly normal to pronounce "slash" to me...--4.244.42.126 11:49, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)

Well, on radio, he didn't pronounce "voice/appearance mismatch".

On radio, that slash was used in a different way. Sign your posts.--DumDe 21:38, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Either way, the slash could simply be omitted while reading aloud. 64.231.93.226 03:08, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Sphere?

It's possible that the end of the email is a refrence to the book turned movie "Sphere" where the computer apparently "talks back" to the characters in their underwater habitat.

Missy Palmer?

This page and the Female Lappy 486 page both say that FL486 is voiced by Missy Palmer. Where was this confirmed? It doesn't sound much like her IMHO... --Jay 16:57, 10 Jan 2005 (MST)

I don't know myself. I only put the Missy Palmer fact on the Female Lappy 486 page because I read it here. It may or may not be true, but I hope it's true :) mathgrant 18:37, 10 Jan 2005 (MST)

As likely as it seems, I don't think it should be listed as a fun fact unless we can actually verify it. People look to this site as a resource; we should make every effort to list accurate information. --FortyTwo 23:33, 10 Jan 2005 (MST)

Jus' what I was going to ask. Since there are no credits, we have no proof one way or another that Missy did the voice. It's just word of mouth. I personally think it sounds a lot more like "Mike" Chapman, myself. 142.161.206.50 13:25, 19 Jan 2005 (MST)

Dear Jay,

Why are you using lazy abbreviations for Female Lappy 486? It is really simple to type those two easy words out, you know! Quit being lazy!

Signed,

Postal Service

Are you sure it wasn't a simulated voice? I think that a computer voice program would be able to say all the the Lappy said. It's a possibility. --Ogog

Ogre?

Okay, when Homestar showed up, he called Strong Bad something. The transcript says it is "ogre", but I think he might've said "ogle". In my opinion, ogle even describes Strong Bad better. I kind of wonder if TBC would say ogle on a G-rated cartoon, but it's really not a bad word, so... you think about that. --152.163.100.71 20:29, 10 Jan 2005 (MST)

Strong bad is an impertinent, flirtatious, or amorous stare? That doesn't make sense... unless you think Homestar was trying to say "ogre" but said "ogle" instead. 68.228.70.62 23:11, 10 Jan 2005 (MST)

The first one. Homestar probably tried to say "ogler" or something of that nature and screwed up, or maybe he just thought ogle could be used as a noun. After all, "flirt" can be a noun. --205.188.116.71 07:15, 11 Jan 2005 (MST)

Sounds like ogre to me. An ogle makes no sense contextually or lexigraphically. --racerx_is_alive 10:28, 12 Jan 2005 (MST)

I thought Homestar tells Strong Bad that Marzipan says he is an oval (presumably because of the shape of his head?) It is kind of slurred, but I hear it that way every time, now.--Meg 12:02, 12 Jan 2005 (MST)

Why would Marzipan ever call him an oval? Calling him an ogler almost makes sense, but Homestar doesn't even make enough consonantal sounds for that to be what he's saying. "Ogre", however, sounds a lot like "oguw", and sounds exactly like something Marzipan would say about Strong Bad. Also, it should be remembered that what was said was probably said for Strong Bad to hear. Would Strong Bad see "ogler" as an insult? Would he even know what was said?

No, not an oval. There's definitely a "G" sound in there. Also, whether or not Strong Bad sees "ogler" as an insult isn't important. He wasn't offended or irritated by Marzipan's comment anyway. Ogler makes sense, but knowing the H*R style of humor, ogre seems more likely. --Ogog

Head movement

As Strong Bad is typing his e-mail to Leonard Nimoy, his head doesn't move like it usually does, or as it did with the Pink Border. This may also be the first time we've actually seen him typing; his boxing gloves have always been out of frame before. -- Uncommon 11:01, 11 Jan 2005 (MST)

dullard gave us a pretty good view, as did fingers. -- Tom 20:11, 11 Jan 2005 (MST)

Well, to be really picky, you don't see the keyboard in dullard, and fingers doesn't demonstrate his usual method. Of course, in this one we only see him typing in a fantasy scene. -- Uncommon 22:38, 11 Jan 2005 (MST)

Removed portion of a fun fact

This could be a reference to the recent film National Treasure in which designs are found on the Declaration of Independence.

This was immediately after noting that the paper was the Constitution this time. I don't think that this was at all a reference to National Treasure. It could just as easily be a reference to the fact that the Brothers Chaps live in the United States. In other words, I don't think this is a reference until Strong Bad takes the printed on constitution and finds a treasure with it. --racerx_is_alive 10:29, 12 Jan 2005 (MST)

Yah, but it might be. I say keep it. Ookelaylay 21:45, 13 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Jetsons Reference?

Does anyone else see the reference to the cartoon, 'The Jetsons' in the dinner scene with the chairs and robotic arm?

Should it be added to 'fun facts'? --orang55 16:54, 12 Jan 2005 (MST)

It could be, but I don't think that the reference is clear enough to be added. Perhaps if the section was called Baseless Conjectures, it would work. Actually, if the chairs that they are sitting on are nearly exactly like the chairs from the Jetsons, then yes. If the chairs don't look nearly identical to the chairs from the Jetsons, then no. --racerx_is_alive 09:27, 13 Jan 2005 (MST)

Well Played

Does anyone think that the line "Well played, Strong Bad" is a reference to anything, or is actually a commonly said line? I'm thinking it could be a reference to the film Beckett about Thomas Beckett, in which King Henry says at one point "Well played, Thomas." It was a very striking line. Any other thoughts on the subject? --Ogog

Seems like a major stretch to me. If anything, "well played" is likely a reference to competitive games (particularly of the strategy variety) where the phrase would be really common; yet, that seems too broad an area to even mention. --Shadow Hog 17:24, 30 Jan 2005 (MST)

It's actually quite a common phrase which I don't think can be a reference to any one thing. -- Tom 19:54, 30 Jan 2005 (MST)

Good research, Tom. I rest my case. -- Ogog

Scooby-Doo Fun Fact

"It is quite possible that Strong Bad's reference to "those weird little kids" could be refering to the Scooby-Doo cartoon series." This seems like sort of a stretch to me. Sure it's possible, but I don't think it's likely. There's nothing to imply that this is the case; Strong Bad could be referring to anyone. --Ogog

• Okay, I decided a STUFFing was in order, so I moved the fun fact there. --Ogog

Declined Fun Facts

These were on the STUFF page and declined. If you wish to contest these, leave a note here, but don't allow it to be confused with any of the original votes.

Ping

The 'ping' on Strong Bad's submarine was taken from the 23 minute long Pink Floyd epic "Echoes"

• Decline. how can you tell? -- Keab42
• I posted this, and I can tell, because I've been listening to it(echoes) like, non stop for the past 4 days, and listened to them togethor(so it played the echoes one AND then I heard the one on the SBEMAIL). they ARE the same ping. Oh, and the ping is played in the very beggining, with NO other sounds so it's very easy to identify. It's also not just a wide spread sample, because the pianist actually 'found' the note and then suggested playing it through a leslie speaker cabinet(or something to that effect). I win. If you wanna hear for yourself: http://www.pinkfloyd.co.uk/echoes/index.html Once you get into the main site, click the blue box that will eventually appear that says 'echoes' then click 'listen' --super orange! 13:16, 10 Jan 2005 (MST)
• Decline. You beat me to it, Keab. ;) Whether or not the guy made it, it sounds pretty identical to a standard submarine ping to me. --Upsilon
  • Go listen to that link I posted if you don't believe me. Even if they're using it as a submarine ping, the fact that they took it from a song is notable. --super orange! 13:34, 10 Jan 2005 (MST)
• Decline This fun fact is based on speculation alone. Maybe if there were other Pink Floyd references on the site...
  • Whaaaa? Speculation? Did you even read what I posted? I listened to both of the sounds togethor MULTIPLE TIMES not just go "ZOMG IT IS T3H PING ZOMG PINK FLOYD" But if noone else hears it, maybe I am going insane.
• n/m about this point...
  • So... are you changing your vote to Decline? --Upsilon
• Decline -- It's just a ping. Mr. Sparkle
• Accept You can absolutely tell that that is the ping from Echoes. It's the exact same pitch and time length. That can't be just a coincidence... --evin290
  • Second. --MadEwokHerd 20:54, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)
  • second --super orange! 10:19, 20 Jan 2005 (MST)
    • Third -- It's definitely the same sound. If you import the clip from Echos into flash and publish a swf file to get the compression effect.. it sounds EXACTLY the same. olene 03:57, 23 Jan 2005
• Decline I thought all subs pinged. But when I heard this, it DOES remind of my dad's ol' DOS Wolfpack 8-bit 4-color sub hunting game. Subs in movies always ping.
  • Comment All subs do ping, but this is the EXACT same ping as the one from Echoes. They to get the sound from somewhere, and if you listen to the song you'll be able to tell clearly that that's what it is. evin290
• Oh, please. There's no way to tell for sure. So...DELETED!'
  • I beg to disagree. If you actually listen to the song, there is a way to tell for sure. I've said this before but it's the exact same pitch and the same length of time. I bet you anything they ripped the ping noise from that song. If it sounded a little bit like it I would agree with you, but it's the exact same noise! --evin290 19:47, 17 Jan 2005 (MST) (PS - Sign your posts!)
    • Okay, now that someone else notices it, I'm not so sure if I'm still declining it...edit: now that two people notice it, i'm definetely not. --super orange! 10:19, 20 Jan 2005 (MST)
• Decline It is more likely that the sub ping is a generic sound effect and that TBC and Pink Floyd happened to grab the exact same wav file of a sub ping. This would be like saying that when Mario enters a hidden area in Super Mario 64, it's a reference to Quake because the sound effect is very similar, if not identical to, a teleporter sound from Quake. Kamek 09:15, 21 Jan 2005 (MST)
  • But that example isn't like saying that the ping is the same because that isn't the same exact sound. The ping is. It's a very unlikely chance that both TBC and Pink Floyd invented the same exact ping on the same exact note with the same amount of dissonance! (sp?) In my opinion that's just impossible! → evin290 12:46, 22 Jan 2005 (MST)
  • And if you actually READ my above my comments, you'd notice Pink Floyd didn't download the ping(the song was made in 1971 for the lvoe fo god) the pianist of the group actually played the note through a leslie speaker cabinet, so it's not a coincidence. I think it should be a rule you can't decline it unless you've heard the song. --super orange! 23:51, 22 Jan 2005 (MST)
  • I'm retracting my vote; the pings do sound strikingly similar. Kamek 03:50, 24 Jan 2005 (MST)
• Since I've been noticing a gigantic argument surrounding this particular fun fact, I'm going to propose a way to solve this.

Now then, it seems that most of the individuals who are declining the fact are not very familiar with the song "Echoes." Since I personally don't believe in voting on a fun fact unless I actually know the details of the fact being disputed, I'm going to do something if others agree to this.

I have an mp3 of "Echoes" (legally obtained from my personal copy of Meddle) on my hard drive, along with an mp3-to-wav converter and wav editing software. What I will do, if it's requested, is to take out an excerpt from the song "Echoes" (say, the first minute) and post it somewhere where everyone can hear it and draw their own conclusions.

This way, everyone will have heard the fact in question and will make the voting far more fair. Anyone who thinks I should do this, please respond. --TheNintenGenius 00:14, 23 Jan 2005 (MST)

• • Personally I was abstaining from voting since I'd not heard the song... the clip'd help infinitely, methinks. Do it, please. --Shadow Hog 00:25, 23 Jan 2005 (MST)
  • Definetely do it. I think a lot of people would realize that they are the same ping if it was easy to access.(but actually if you go here: http://www.pinkfloyd.co.uk/echoes/index.html it plays the said pinging sound as the website opens, so...) --super orange! 00:59, 23 Jan 2005 (MST)
    • The reason I want to take this particular approach, however, is the fact that I think a lot of people won't believe it's a sample from the song unless I get a clip from the actual song up here. You know how Kamek up above just thought it could've been the "same wav file" that both TBC and Pink Floyd used (though I don't even think that sort of technology had even been thought up of yet in friggin' 1971). --TheNintenGenius 07:54, 23 Jan 2005 (MST)
      • Good point. Lets go with your idea...(goes off to headbang to The Nile Song) --super orange! 10:06, 23 Jan 2005 (MST)
      • You can tell that my knowledge of Pink Floyd can fit between these parentheses: (). I was unaware the song was over 30 years old, thus my comment on wave files. Kamek 03:54, 24 Jan 2005 (MST)
• I have an exerpt on my hard drive now, but nowhere to put it. Anyone have an idea where I can put this mp3 for now? Perhaps temporarily upload it to the Wiki, if that's alright by the mods? --TheNintenGenius 15:27, 23 Jan 2005 (MST)
• Yousendit.com should be good(just send the link to yourself)
• Echoes excerpt - Done using the method suggested above, so I don't know how well it will work. --TheNintenGenius 11:56, 24 Jan 2005 (MST)
• Decline Severe decline. I listened to them at the same time and then alternating. One of them is a higher pitch than the other. But who cares? Why are people fighting so hard just for one fun fact? --Donny vs Universe

I only did what I did because it really grates on my nerves when people vote out of ignorance. --TheNintenGenius 21:34, 24 Jan 2005 (MST)

• good' Thats good to know you actually listened to it before declining. Keep in mind, the sound quality could effect it. Someone should host an SWF of the echoes excerpt, so we can REALLY confirm this...
• Decline At first I thought they were the same sound, and they do sound pretty similar, but after a close comparison in Goldwave, it's pretty clear the Chaps are just using a generic ping that sounds similar to this note. I've made an audio file for comparison purposes; the first sound is from Echoes, the second is from Dreamail, and the third is the ping from Echoes mixed into the Dreamail clip. Media:dreammail-echoes.ogg --HeartBurn Kid 10:51, 25 Jan 2005 (MST)
• Decline Because you have to hear the song and really pay attention to a certain part, I believe that even if it is from the song, it's not fun enough, and also I don't think it's worth putting up fun facts that require anything that need proof from anything other than something easily accessable.

VERDICT: After several weeks of voting, with 5 valid Decline votes and 4 valid Accept votes, this submission is declined. Moved to Talk:dreamail --TheEggman 09:47, 18 Feb 2005 (MST)

• COMMENTHoly crap! It DOES sound the same. We should have put it as a fun fact.Ookelaylay 21:51, 13 Jul 2005 (UTC)
• COMMENTI realize this is an old and dated subject, but is there any way we could get this as a fun fact, or is it declined forever? I only mention this because this is exactly the type of thing I read those facts for.Cole

C. Elegans

The name "Chester Elegante" abbreviated "C. Elegante" might be a reference to the organism "C. elegans".

• Neutral (for now) - I removed this since it screams of a BIG stretch, but there is SOME connection... I dunno, what do you all think? --Shadow Hog 16:04, 23 Jan 2005 (MST)
• Weak Decline. Only because he never actually signs the email "C. Elegante," he signs it as "Chester Elegante." There might be some similarity, but it is a huge stretch to say TBC actaully planned that. →evin290 06:39, 24 Jan 2005 (MST)
• Decline BIG stretch. If TBC planned that, Strong Bad would have signed his email as "C. Elegante" instead of "Chester Elegante". Kamek 11:43, 24 Jan 2005 (MST)
  • Second. --Upsilon
  • Second. Eujensc 05:39, 20 Feb 2005 (MST)

VERDICT: After several weeks of unanimous voting, this submission is declined. Moved to Talk:dreamail →evin290

those weird little kids (Declined)

It is quite possible that Strong Bad's reference to "those weird little kids" could be refering to the Scooby-Doo cartoon series.

• This seems like sort of a stretch to me. Sure it's possible, but I don't think it's likely. There's nothing to imply that this is the case; Strong Bad could be referring to anyone. --Ogog
• Strong Decline. Nowhere in the context of the email is anything that may narrowly resemble Scooby-Doo. ISlayedTheKerrek 10:56, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)
• Decline. Maybe if he said "those weird little kids and that dog" or more obviously, "those meddling kids", it would more "quite possible". --Trogga 11:17, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)
  • Responding to the previous two He says in the same sentence that he's solving a Celebrity Murder Mystery which is what the Scooby gang did all the time. I don't much care for that series myself, but it's probably true. --NFITC1
• Accept/Rephrase There were many other cartoons like that too, it may not be that particular one, but it's most likely a reference to that one since it's the most well known. --NFITC1
• Decline. I don't think Scooby actually ever dealt with a murder, let alone a celebrity murder. But even if he did there isn't anything in the e-mail to suggest a connection to Scooby. Strong Bad doesn't even mention a cartoon in the sub scene. Donny vs Universe
  • Second. --Eujensc 17:58, 11 Mar 2005 (MST)
  • Second. mibluvr13 08:51, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
• Decline You’re joking right? ‘Those weird little kids’ could be a reference to a lot of things; Village of the Damned, The Ring, The Shinning etc. Besides Scooby and the gang are teenagers not little kids. The_Pardack
  • Second --Alun Clewe 01:31, 30 Mar 2005 (MST)
  • Second. A scooby doo reference would be "If it weren't for those meddling kids..."--rsl12 21:48, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)
• Diggity-decline Yeah, or pretty much every cartoon series ever made. Rudeboy87 08:59, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)
• Decline for reasons stated by others --Jay 03:21, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)

ogre

do you think that the word "ogre" is a reference to the letters "o" "g""r"and"e"?-iheartstretches

That's awesome! I think Strong Bad makes references to all 26 letters of the alphabet in this e-mail. - KieferSkunk 20:07, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

Who agrees that

this SB email makes little or no sence?

Nikolce Kocovski 06:44, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

I don't agree, but at any rate, this discussion should take place at the forum, not here. Heimstern Läufer 06:52, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

I second Heimstern. — _talk Bubsty _edits 19:09, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Constitution

I just noticed that they made a mistake with their constitution. In the actual constitution of the US the word "united" in United States of America is not capitalized. This reads "We the People of the united States of America...". Not sure if this should be a goof or not. — Longtooth (Talk | contribs) 05:33, 1 April 2006 (left unsigned)

It looks capitalized on the real constitution to me. See [1]. -- Tom 05:47, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

yeah my mistake that was the Declaration of Independance. Sorry about that

"I do hate white clowns"?

It sounded to me like Homestar says he hates white clowns, rather than clouds. Obviously Strong Bad is talking about white clouds at the time, but Homestar mishearing/misspeaking/being completely random and silly is pretty much an everyday occurence. Did anybody else hear it that way? - QB

I think i agree, i listened to it a few times and it kinda sounds like he says clowns.. but it just doesn't make a lot of sense. does remind me of "I really really do like to play with trees.. and ants" in Sensitive_To_Beesthough.