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So minor an item that it's not even funny. --—Gafaddict Image:Gafaddict sigpic.gif (Talk | Contribs.) 16:23, 24 Sep 2005 (UTC)

I knew it! As befits my easy-going nature, I don't really care if this is deleted. But I made the page because I think it's hilarious. Come on, watching Strong Mad angrily eat pasta salad? It's priceless! Plus, it's a food and/or drink. It gets its own easter egg. It's even referred to by Strong Bad and gets its own special caper!
Compare this to Piemonade. Why don't we delete piemonade, as well? It only appears in one cartoon. No one eats it. No one drinks it. But it's funnier, right? It's not pasta salad's fault it's not inherently funny.
I gots that special feeling that this will be deleted, but give the salad a break! THE SMOKING MONKEY 16:42, 24 Sep 2005 (UTC)
Good point, The Smoking Monkey. I'ma go mark Piemonade for deletion. Actually, a better idea would be to have a "Minor Food and Drinks" article, and merge one-off items like this into one page. How's abotu that? —Gafaddict Image:Gafaddict sigpic.gif (Talk | Contribs.) 16:45, 24 Sep 2005 (UTC)
Dude, you realize at least half of the "Food and Drink" items are pretty minor, right? Were you even aware of the category before I added the pasta salad article? THE SMOKING MONKEY 16:51, 24 Sep 2005 (UTC)
I was aware of the category, yes. Your statement, though, has no impact on my idea. We'll just merge what is estimated to be half of the articles into the one big article. —Gafaddict Image:Gafaddict sigpic.gif (Talk | Contribs.) 16:53, 24 Sep 2005 (UTC)
Which statement? I asked two questions. Regardless, you're proposing to take all the "one-off" food and drink items and put them on a page similar to the KoT's foodstuff page? THE SMOKING MONKEY 17:01, 24 Sep 2005 (UTC)

I'm against the all-in-one food page. All the King of Town food are connected: He eats them. But to make a page about totaly random food stuffs is just pushing it. I don't see whats wrong in a few short pages ones in a while. Elcool (talk)(contribs) 17:24, 24 Sep 2005 (UTC)

I'm not going top say keep or not, but it does actually have more than one sentence, which makes it better from many other pages similar to this one. small_logo.pngUsername-talk 17:28, 24 Sep 2005 (UTC)

I don't think we need a minor food page. I looked over a lot of the pages, and there's enough info on most of them to make a whole article. True, they're short articles, but they wouldn't fit well into a table. I think the remainder should keep their own pages, because we already have a collection of food items right here. — It's dot com 17:35, 24 Sep 2005 (UTC)


[edit] Making a point

It would seem that this article was created solely to make a point. Please be careful. On Wikipedia, they devote an entire guideline page to the topic. I'm not saying this was right or wrong. (That, of course, would be up to the community to decide over time and through discussion.) I just wanted to bring an alternative viewpoint to everyone's attention. Thanks. -- Tom 17:53, 24 Sep 2005 (UTC)

I disagree. I think [EDIT] I'm sure the article was created for all the right reasons. Namely, to add content to the wiki. — It's dot com 18:00, 24 Sep 2005 (UTC)
Well, the Smoking Monkey has made comments like "I KNEW IT!", "A-HA!", and "This page is probably gonna be deleted, but a guy's gotta do what a guy's gotta do." No, wait... you're right. I don't think it was made to prove a point.
You struck your comments above, but I want to go ahead and remark that Smoking Monkey only said those things because he sensed that the article was borderline but felt it was good enough to try anyway. — It's dot com 20:05, 24 Sep 2005 (UTC)
Hey - I feel kinda bad now about the whole thing. Real bad. Since I've joined this wiki, I haven't dared make a new page. But then I started thinking about the moments from the whole H*R universe that made me laugh riotously, and this was one of them. I debated whether or not I should do it - I've seen my work here rejected, changed, and criticized before, and that I could deal with. But I was unsure about making a new page. But that's the way of the Wiki - you shouldn't play if you can't take the heat. So, I summed up all my courage and said, "pasta salad, though it's incredibly minor, deserves mention." I wrote a draft. I photoshopped a picture of Graw Mad. I stepped into unknown territory for me.
I never would have added the article if I didn't feel it was important in its own obscure way. I went against my own better judgement that it wouldn't fly, and I posted it suspecting someone would sweep in and mark it for deletion. I didn't expect, however, it would get the deletion tag five minutes after it was created. And the comment - "it's not funny in any way" (paraphrase) "it's so minor an item it isn't even funny" from Gafaddict did hurt. I try to do good things here at the Wiki, not try to make points, or try to be a jerk. I try to take the heat as best I can. But I have feelings, too.
Delete the article. My intention was not to upset the community, but to add content. Keep it or at least merge it with something else, (minor non-humorous food-stuff items?!?) I'm standing 100% behind my goofy little food article. I'll defend to the deletion this moment where an angry man wearing a singlet angrily eats macaroni salad - that's funny stuff! For truly, it tastes so good. THE SMOKING MONKEY 10:34, 25 Sep 2005 (UTC)
I wasn't saying that what Strong Mad was saying wasn't funny, "So {insert phrase here} it's not even funny," is just a common saying. —Gafaddict Image:Gafaddict sigpic.gif (Talk | Contribs.) 14:26, 25 Sep 2005 (UTC)
Gafaddict — I understood that the first time you wrote it and corrected my paraphrase above to reflect that. As a contributing member of the Wiki, I expect a little civility from other users; I construed your comment as being a pejorative idiomatic phrase, at once dismissive and churlish. Maybe you didn't intend it to be dismissive and churlish - I don't know, we haven't crossed paths before, and perhaps it wasn't the best first meeting. As for me, I'm not here to start fights or ruffle feathers. Regardless, as I stated above, if the article needs to be deleted, it should will be deleted. THE SMOKING MONKEY 16:23, 25 Sep 2005 (UTC)
What are you talking about? This is a great article! It have all the data about the food, and a pretty funny image. I'll say: Keep it. Just don't give up if some users don't think it should be here. Make a stand! Do you has? Elcool (talk)(contribs) 15:58, 25 Sep 2005 (UTC)
Thanks, E.L., glad you liked it. It was made with the enjoyment of others in mind. :) THE SMOKING MONKEY 16:18, 25 Sep 2005 (UTC)
Oh, and by the way, I think this article is pretty funny. And Thesmokingmonkey, please don't take my comment as anything other than a starting point for discussion. I'm sorry if it seems hurried or accusatory, that was not my intent. You are a very good editor. The work you did on Free Country, USA is a fine example. Not much slips by me around here, and you are appreciated. -- Tom 01:03, 26 Sep 2005 (UTC)

[edit] How this article differs from other food articles

Earlier in this discussion, The Smoking Monkey requested that a comparison be made of this article to Piemonade. I think the biggest difference is that Piemonade is something totally unique (i.e., only exists in the HSR universe), while Pasta Salad is pretty much a common thing (it gets nearly seven million hits on Google.) Granted this article has a great caption and screenshot (one that I also find very funny,) I just don't think we need to explain it with an article. Can you forsee *anyone* typing in "Pasta Salad" in an attempt to search for it on the wiki? That's what I first think of when I'm thinking of potential articles. I created Bottomless Pits because I had previously searched for it on the wiki only to find (to my surprise) that it wasn't on Running Gags yet or had its own article.

My last point: What separates this article from common foods (i.e., mainstream) like Tofu, Ice Cream, or Mountain Dew is the number of appearances. If pasta salad ever comes up again in the future, this article will have more merit. As It's dot com hinted above, this case is borderline and that makes arbitration much more difficult. Right now, I think there are more arguments against this article than for it. —THE PAPER PREEEOW 05:34, 25 Sep 2005 (UTC)

This argument makes semse, but if this is true attention also needs to be directed to Suge Brown, another regular item with one apperance and its own page. small_logo.pngUsername-talk 16:36, 25 Sep 2005 (UTC)
But how many times in the regular world you see people eating pasta salad from underdrawer drawer? Elcool (talk)(contribs) 17:40, 25 Sep 2005 (UTC)
Never. What's I'm trying to say here is that by itself pasta salad does not merit an article. That is not to say I don't find it amusing; honestly, I do. Suge Brown is a unique product name despite the product being brown sugar. Perhaps the solution to this, outside of deleting the article (something I'm not too keen on) is to move it to "Eating pasta salad in underdrawer drawer" because that describes the action, much like The Cheat's Head Exploding accomplishes. Imagine having an article named just "Exploding". That's what I think of when I see this article. Any suggestions? —THE PAPER PREEEOW 02:50, 27 Sep 2005 (UTC)
But that name would fit if it was a running gag. How about Who Put Pasta Salad in Strong Mad's Underdrawer Drawer Scare of '04 or Pasta Salad Scare of '04. Elcool (talk)(contribs) 04:05, 27 Sep 2005 (UTC)
Good idea. As long as the title isn't excessive, I would approve of it. Any sysops like the second one E.L. Cool suggested? —THE PAPER PREEEOW 06:18, 27 Sep 2005 (UTC)
Well, obviously that changes the whole nature of the article. What catagory do you see it going in if that change were implemented? And the shorter title is the better one, should we decide to go that route. — It's dot com 06:42, 27 Sep 2005 (UTC)
It does, indeed, change the whole nature. That is, in a way, what I had originally intended. But you're right about the category issue. I'm just trying to find ways this article can be salvaged as opposed to deleted. Perhaps, instead of a move, we should have a vote (i.e, KEEP vs. DELETE.) —THE PAPER PREEEOW 06:59, 27 Sep 2005 (UTC)
How about incorporating the information in this article into an article titled The Pasta Salad Scare of '04? (with The Smoking Monkeys permission of course) As that makes it an article about a funny event, not just an everyday food. Anyway, for whatever reason I think that would be better. -Douglas_Fir

[edit] He Put a Feather in his Cap and Called it _______

I'm kind of taken aback that the Pasta Salad article has generated so much debate at the wiki. If the community wants to move it to a "Pasta Scare" article, or vote on it, instead of just simply deleting it, I would be honored. And thanks to everyone that thought it was funny! That was the intention, after all. :) — THE SMOKING MONKEY 20:44, 28 Sep 2005 (UTC)

[edit] keep it!

Hey cmon! There's unlimited space on this wiki, so why should we lose it?? It's a cool arcticle! --— talk Bubsty edits 22:44, 28 Sep 2005 (UTC)
There never was an argument against this page due to space reasons. And besides, if this article were deleted, it could always be restored at a later date. Despite it being "cool", I still think it would best be suited in a section of a larger article (namely about a certain scare) if you read earlier discussion. For now, I am going to remove the {{to be deleted}} template. —THE PAPER PREEEOW 07:11, 29 Sep 2005 (UTC)
Sorry, I posted that back when I was stupid. (Which... I still am...) — talk Bubsty edits 02:50, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] I think I has the solution

I took the initiative and created a section of Strong Mad's article with the headline "Affinity for Pasta Salad". That way, the bulk of the information on this page is preserved as well as the screen shot uploaded by The Smoking Monkey. I think there still could be more added to paragraph. As such, I encourage everyone to contribute and work on making the wording as best it can be. —THE PAPER PREEEOW 14:31, 29 Sep 2005 (UTC)

I'm not sure if a one-time joke belongs on a character's official page... it's not like Homestar and marshmallows. - Joshua
Gotta agree with Joshua there. I'd rather keep this page, personally. Homestar Coderhomestar-coder-sig.gif 15:31, 29 Sep 2005 (UTC)
Gonna play devil's advocate here. I'm not sure if a one-time joke should be allocated its own wiki article, either. I picked Strong Mad as this seemed to involve him the most. I would like to hear the opinions of more users before we reach a decision. —THE PAPER PREEEOW 18:01, 29 Sep 2005 (UTC)
There are other one-time joke articles, too, though. Like Sir Loodabert Comma, which didn't even involve any of the 12 main characters, unlike this article. Personally, I see nothing entirely wrong with this article. There's even some stuff you really can't include in the main email's article, like how the concept of it being a 'scare' was ineffective. My vote, if we're voting at all, is to keep it. --DorianGray
Sure it does! This whole wiki is about one time jokes! Elcool (talk)(contribs) 18:10, 29 Sep 2005 (UTC)
Heh. Well put, E.L. — It's dot com
I agree! I think that if an article is well-written and valid it should stay, even if it IS a one-time joke. Homestar Coderhomestar-coder-sig.gif 19:38, 29 Sep 2005 (UTC)
Agree. Keep. —FireBird|Talk 21:22, 29 Sep 2005 (UTC)
It's settled then. Done and done. :) —THE PAPER PREEEOW 00:05, 30 Sep 2005 (UTC)
Yay! (THE KING OF TOWN: Booo...) Elcool (talk)(contribs) 03:50, 30 Sep 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Modus Operandi

I believe the following concepts pertain to the evolution of this whole discussion: Mergism (I fall into this category) vs. Inclusionism (Majority of HRwiki users) vs. Deletionism (Perhaps a few users are deletionists.) I'm likely pushing the envelope here. It's just that I only recently found out I was a "mergist." —THE PAPER PREEEOW 05:18, 30 Sep 2005 (UTC)

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