Editing Talk:Inconsistencies within the Homestar Runner universe

== Vague page description ==

There are lots of inconsistencies in the Homestar Runner universe; some are clearly intentional, some are probably not, and most fall somewhere in between. We already have places to note these on the individual toons' pages when they come up; why have a totally separate page for them? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 00:44, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Is it just me, or is this page basically what the Goofs section in every single transcript page is for? &mdash; {{User:Lapper/sig}} 00:45, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Maybe it could be a page for contradictory things in Homestar Runner? That's a little less vague. {{User:Shwoo/sig}} 00:48, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

:Shwoo's idea might work out.  This is basically an organizational thing.  If I wanted to find all the inconsistencies right now, it would take me FOREVER.  Being spread out among dozens of pages, I would probably never find many of them, since a search for "inconsistencies" brings up 4 results.  It's just a way to make things easier to find.  And that's the point right?  Making information easily accessable for everyone else. {{User:Ten Ten/sig}} 00:49, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

::But if you notice an inconsistency in a toon, is that not what the Goofs section is for? Why not search "goofs" and see what you get? &mdash; {{User:Lapper/sig}} 00:52, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

:::Not every goof is an inconsistancy. Looking at the goofs on the wiki, most of them are of the "Strong Bad spelled a word wrong" or "the animation looks weird" type.{{User:Shwoo/sig}} 00:58, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

::::Shwoo is right.  Only major inconsistencies are mentioned anyway, and most of the minor ones are ignored.  You can search "goofs" all you want, it will come up with a result for every cartoon page on the entire wiki, and that won't help you in any way whatsoever locate your inconsistencies.  This page at least deserves a chance, but then again, all of my pages were deleted before they had a chance...{{User:Ten Ten/sig}} 01:03, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

:::::I want to give this page a chance <!--to do a hip hop dance-->. The bits like how the Lappy have 10 MB instead of 5 MB is a good one. I'm still not removing the {{tl|tobedeleted}} template, but I'm for this page. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 09:48, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
This is interesting. I'll bet you the Star Trek wiki (if there is one even, I haven't looked) lists at least the major things where continuity is broken within the universe. (If they don't, maybe they should....) Internal inconsistencies are pretty interesting to most people. Creators of a universe also create a world of "fact" which is bound to certain expectations; when the facts fall short of those expectations, it's clearly notable. I see this page as a place to list all the major issues where "Homestar geeks" (read: geekier than us) would argue about which way of looking at things is the one best supported by the canon. I say allow this to develop for a while; if it does, '''keep'''. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 10:05, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

If this page is kept, it should be renamed [[Wikipedia:Retcon|Retcons]]. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 16:11, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

::Technically, a "retcon" is not when the creators merely contradict themselves, but when they indicate that the new version of "reality" is the correct one. For example, if TBC released a toon telling how Strong Bad and Homestar were friends in their childhood, that may be considered a retcon as it intentionally changes the account from [[flashback]]. The Strong Sad navel drilling might be part of a retcon. But the disk space of the Lappy changing isn't really a retcon, by my read of its definition. And The Cheat being unable to say "Dennis" yet being able to voice characters in his animations is a close call. Additionally, not only is "inconsistencies" a bit more wide-reaching than "retcon" but is a more well-known term that will be a bit more accessible to readers not up on words not found in the Oxford Dictionary. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 00:57, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

:Long live this page!  The more the merrier!--[[User:Theyellowdart|Theyellowdart]] 16:53, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
::I don't consider all the site's inconsistencies as "goofs"; the main reason being that inconsistencies often appear between two or more different toons (or games), whereas goofs happen in one toon only. For example, the Trogdor-Peasant's Quest inconsistency (see article) is, of course, between [[TROGDOR!]] and [[Peasant's Quest]]. An example of a goof (or, in this case, a remark) would be Strong Sad's "covered bridge" obsession seen in [[Fall Float Parade]], which began and ended in one cartoon. My bottom line is that there ''is'' a difference, and I therefore vote '''No Delort.''' &mdash; {{User:SamFisher1022/sig}} 14:58, 4 December 2006
:::There, I just added an inconsistancy in the King of Town DVD Commentary.  I think this is enough info for '''no deletion'''.  Keep this page.  I found it useful. --[[User:Theyellowdart|Theyellowdart]] 21:32, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

So is it okay to take the {{tl|tobedeleted}} template off now? It's been over two weeks. {{User:Shwoo/sig}} 00:53, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
:I believe that would be a good idea. Now about that moving. I don't think that the name needs to be changed.--[[User:H*Bad|H*Bad]] 03:02, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

I just want to note that if you are looking for how a specific toon is inconsistent with another, it would be better to look under that toon's "remarks" section, not its "goofs" section. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 01:00, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

== Strong Sad's Apparel ==

*There are several places where Strong Sad wears a "one-time type" article of clothing, ("The Blue Ones," "The Sturge" t-shirt, the two Geddup Noise shirts, etc). I think these should be left out in this section. The "wildebeest pheromones in his laundry" is more consistent with the whole"inconsistency" thing, because it's as though he's saying he ''always'' wears clothes (I think. Sorry, but I'm having trouble explaining what I mean.) I think there's another instance of this type of discrepancy, but I can't remember where it is... [[User:4kai2lyn6|kai lyn]] 22:37, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
*True dat.  I made that edit.  Leave it out, then...  {{User:Theyellowdart/sig}}
*Yeah. wait, why does his laundry only have to be his clothes? why not things like towels, etc.
[[User:Im a bell|Im a bell]] 01:46, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm gonna take the whole fact out.  In addition to the "he could do laundry that doesn't consist of wearable clothes", which is totally valid, it's been established that he does ''own'' quite a few articles of clothing.  Yes, he doesn't wear them often, and he says so in his journal, but that doesn't prevent him from ever doing laundry.  (analogy:  I don't really wear suits.  But I do ''own'' a suit.  If I were to say something like "Did you take my suit to the cleaners?" it wouldn't really be an inconsistency with my not generally wearing suits.)  In other words, I think one should interpret the line as "I don't really wear clothes [very often]" rather than "I don't really wear clothes [ever]"  because, well, he sometimes does.   [[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 13:53, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

== Compy screen width and length ==

It's been very inconsistent, through the main Strong Bad view, and through examples in [[replacement]] and [[huttah!]]. --[[User:Addict 2006|Addict]] [[User talk:Addict 2006|2006]] 00:02, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

What I mean is the width has been 4:3'd at times and then it's a bit wider... --[[User:Addict 2006|Addict]] [[User talk:Addict 2006|2006]] 00:03, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
:Hm.  It's true.  I say it can go on the page.  Anyone else? {{User:Theyellowdart/sig}}

== The chair ==

Here's one to add: In [[the chair]], Strong Bad gets a new chair, but in [[what i want]], he's back to the stool.

That's not an inconsistency, Strong Bad just went back to Stooly. --{{User:TotalSpaceshipGuy3/sig}} 12:07, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

== Tongue or no tongue? ==

I just realized: In the DVD version of Homestar Runner's theme song video, Homestar sticks out his tongue while figuring out an answer for the test, but there are TONS of times when he says words with the letter "L" in them without lifting it.
Not to mention Strong Mad, who had his tongue out while carving "DAGRON" on the table, but no tongue present when he says "L" words or any words with "L" in them. See also Remarks in [[retirement]]. This whole description should count as a long-lasting inconsistency, shouldn't it?
-(Feb. 3, 2007)
:This delves into the topic of "cartoon physics". In short, we don't know the method these "dumn animal characters" use to produce the phoneme /l/. One might assume it's the same as we do, given the presence of a tongue, but that's not necessarily the case. When two apparently conflicting facts can in some way coexist within a cartoon, that's not really an inconsistency in my mind. When they cannot be reconciled based on each simply having to be impossible given the other, that's an inconsistency. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 15:43, 3 February 2007 (UTC)


== Anti Chicken-Wings ==
I think it's kind of unnecessary to be arguing over the "chicken wings" thing.  I made this article for inconsistencies and goofs IN-BETWEEN TWO DIFFERENT TOONS, not within the same toon.  That's the Goofs section.  If we really can't decide, then someone should STUFF it.{{User:Ten Ten/sig}} 03:28, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
:Thank you for enforcing that.  I thought it was just another case of crazy cartoon logic.  If we counted that, we'd probably have to count the fact that Coach Z develops a 5 o'clock shadow in less than 10 seconds in [[Decemberween Short Shorts]], or maybe even that the Brothers Strong don't bear any similarity. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 02:11, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
::Another thing related to this that annoyed me was that before I became Bad Bad Guy, I asked if it was OK to put unnatural on [[History according to Strong Bad]] (except back then it was Strong Bad Lore), DorianGray told me it fit "just fine" on Inconsistencies, even though it was already deleted.  He didn't even tell me why he thought that. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 19:18, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

== Senior Prom "Inconsistency" ==
I would argue that it's not an inconsistency for Strong Bad to say he never wears underwear, only to be revealed wearing underwear in [[senior prom]]. I mean, we don't know how many years earlier that toon is. That's like someone saying "I never wear diapers," and being called a liar because they wore diapers as a baby. Sure, to be more accurate he could've said, "I never wear underwear ''anymore''", but I'm still not sure. [[User:Michelle Mabelle|Michelle Mabelle]] 11:04, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

== The Spooky Woods ==

Does it count if in Where's the Cheat, the woods are still spooky even though it isn't Halloween, but in Happy Hallow-day, they are in a gentler state?
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It's strange to me that The Spooky Woods is undetermined whether or not is it was not spooky during the day or not as for the fact that it was not determined whether or not Strong Mad was looking during the day.-- [[User:Ang the Ephemeral|Ang the Ephemeral]] 4:39, 12 March 2007
:Well, if no one responds to [[Talk:Inconsistencies within the Homestar Runner universe#The Spooky Woods|what I write]] I assume it means there are no objections. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 00:20, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
::Also, when I tried to write it in the Hallow-day article, it got deleted for the reason of "it belongs on that page." [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 18:51, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
:::Since it's not ''Halloween'' in Where's The Cheat, it might be expected from Hallow-day that the Spooky Woods on a normal night would look like a nighttime version of that scene.  I hope that didn't sound like speculation. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 18:49, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
::The line in the article about how the woods looks spooky when its not halloween, and comparing it to how it doesnt look spooky when it is halloween, but its not dark out ... that doesnt make a lick of sense -[[User:JamesDean|JamesDean]] 07:12, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

== highschool ==

I'm a little curious if the highschool inconsistencies are still worth keeping even though it's been confirmed they aren't true. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 21:24, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

== Image idea ==

A comparison between the shotgunned Compy in virus and retirement, similar to that in the article of the latter.  Give me your thought, even if it's something like, "This article doesn't need an image" [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 00:49, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
:Or even better, Pom Pom jumping Strong Badia in [[Summer Short Shorts]], revealing a forest to its left, and King Bubsgonzola Supreme stomping past Strongbadia in [[unnatural]], revealing the castle where the forest should be. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 23:02, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
::I just found out that was a different side of Strong Badia, so I'll go with a comparison between the [[Bear Holding a Shark]] scaring The Cheat, and [[Strong Bad is in Jail Cartoon]] revealing the Bear can not be seen from behind the fence. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 06:47, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
:::I kinda can't get the images myself... [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 21:53, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

== Why not just "Inconsistencies"? ==

I had moved it there, but the misguided Loafing changed it back, for some reason. Is there any reason at all for the title to be the long, drawn-out, painfully fanboy-esque "Inconsistencies Within the Homestar Runner Universe" and not just "Inconsistencies"? If so, please state why here. {{User:Darth Katana X/sig}} 11:11, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
:The phrase Homestar Runner universe was recently used in a sketchbook update, it's not that fanboy-esque or painful. Anyway, I think the current title works well. Inconsistancies isn't really specific enough. {{User:Shwoo/sig}} 11:26, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

:Darth, you know very well that so far, your attempts to rid the wiki of the term "universe" have been unsuccessful. And I'm not going to start discussing this all over again. If you move pages without discussion because you think that "universe" is "jargon", then you know that the majority of the editors will oppose the move, and this is disruptive, unacceptable behaviour. This also goes for personal attacks. Consider this your last warning.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 11:57, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

::Now, taking a step back from the whole universe issue, I believe the long title should stay. While we don't have titles such as [[Running Gags Within the Homestar Runner Universe]], and while [[Inconsistencies]] would actually be sufficient, I believe that "Inconsistencies Within the ... Universe" gives the article an edge. The idea of inconsistencies within the fabric of the universe is way more interesting than just inconsistencies.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 11:57, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

:::That is a very bigoted way to look at it. The article itself mentions namedrops the term "Homestar Runner universe," isn't that enough? Inconsistencies is ''concise'' and gets the point across perfectly. It doesn't take beating readers over the head to make them experience the cool atmosphere of the words "Homestar Runner universe" (which is, regardless of its canon status, jargon). Beating readers over the head with the term may also mislead them to think that it is a key element of homestarrunner.com. So, in short, any reason left to oppose its move is completely childish and unencyclopedic in every way. {{User:Darth Katana X/sig}} 15:28, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

::::Also, while I find your desire to give the article's name an "edge" admirable, I must oppose it as well. Should I give myself an "edge" by describing myself as a fourty-year-old football player who surfs the web in NOFX undies and has a thing for beef jerkie? No, I'd rather be thoroughly honest and describe myself as the boring emo rudie that I am. Besides, I could get in trouble for that. {{User:Darth Katana X/sig}}

:::::I'd like to get some votes. So, uh, please vote!

:::::Here are some reasons why "Inconsistencies" is better: 1) it's shorter, 2) it's more concise, 3) yes, they're within Homestar Runner. Duh! Yeah, I thought it was a list of alleged inconsistencies within the Bible.

:::::Why to stick to the name I don't care to type out because it's so lengthy but just typed more by avoiding it: 1) it's more, erm, "edgy." It makes people feel like there's more to Homestar Runner than a website about a pale-skinned, alien hipster.

:::::Votez, plz! {{User:Darth Katana X/sig}} 14:54, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

I agree with Loafing. Furthermore, DKX, your one-person vendetta against the perfectly good use of the term "H*R universe" has really gotten old. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:24, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

While I understand your ridiculous personal vendetta against making references to the Homestar Runner universe for its redundancy, the pharse is actually valid in this scenario.  Obviously, the inconsistencies are relating to Homestar Runner.  You're misinterpreting the meaning of the title as "Inconsistencies Related to the Homestar Runner Universe".  If this article was just "Inconsistencies", it would be implying intra-cartoon inconsistencies, which is what the Goofs section of every email, toon, short, or anything else is for.  This is inter-cartoon inconsistencies, meaning ones that traverse one or more cartoons.  Inconsistencies would be too inspecific for that specific purpose.  Although you may not be able to see it from your single-mindedness, the average reader of the wiki would subconsciously observe the liminal differences as they thought about what the content of the page would be.  I believe I created this one, and I'm sure that I intended the title to contain "Homestar Runner universe" within it.{{User:Ten Ten/sig}} 00:40, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
:Darth, we're really trying to give you a second chance here. Even if you're completely and totally opposed to the term "Homestar Runner Universe", that doesn't mean you need to proclaim it to the whole world in a very rude manner over and over (and over) again. We've all had our share of things we don't like. I personally don't like that [[Wilbur|this article]] exists, but I didn't make a huge deal about it. I was frustrated for awhile and then just let it go. That's what you need to do. Majority pretty much rules around here, so if you're the only one that doesn't like this title (and you are), you just need to get over it and move on to better, more important things. We're trying to give you opportunities to do that, but if you don't take them, people will never respect you. -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 00:52, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

== what I want ==

I must have read Strong Sad's Lament 5 or more times by now, and I can't find a post where he claims he doesn't dress.  What date is it from? [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 21:40, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

:Last line of the entry titled "The Curse of Keen Eyes - 08.19.04" It's on the  [[HR:/sadjournal/index.html|first page]]. {{User:Bluebry/sig}} 21:43, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
::I see it now.  Thanks.  That took way less time than it did when I posted it on the talk page for Lament. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 22:00, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

== Powered by The Cheat Voices ==

How do we know for sure if this is ''actually'' The Cheat making these voices? It could be one of those programs where you type in the text and it says it for you. - {{User:Pants 3000/sig}}
:I think they said it in an interview that The Cheat voices his own cartoons. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 18:59, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
::It may have been just an idea that's now abandoned or unused. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 19:10, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Well, I remember reading on (I think) the [[Powered by The Cheat]] page that he did his own voices for that. I'll look into it. - {{User:Pants 3000/sig}} 13:16, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
:It was mentioned in [[Club Aquatica Interview - 29 Oct 2003|this interview]].

== Reasons for my removal of these things ==

*[[Old-Timey]] &mdash; It is debatable whether or not color exists in their universe.
**[[Ballad of The Sneak]] claims that The Sneak is yellow like his modern-day counterpart, The Cheat, but when characters from the Old-Timey universe and other universes such as modern [[Free Country, USA]] and [[20X6]] travel between each others' worlds in toons such as [[alternate universe]] and [[20X6 vs. 1936]], the Old-Timey characters are still black and white, while other characters retain their colour in the Old-Timey universe.

This is not an inconsistancy as much as it is making fun of the differences between Old-Timey and modern day. Basically, the old timey ones can see color somehow, but do not appear in color.

*[[The King of Town DVD Commentary]] &mdash; Strong Bad claims [[The King of Town]] "lives in like some two bedroom job, like, next door to me", when in [[Where's The Cheat]], [[the bet]], and numerous other places, The King is shown living in his castle, not in the house Strong Bad proclaimed.

This is strong bad saying it, clearly he's demeaning the king baselessly.

*[[The King of Town DVD Commentary]] &mdash; Strong Bad also claims that Homestar can't read, and doesn't know the alphabet. But Homestar reads and writes in a number of toons, including [[Arcade Game]], [[50 emails]], and [[Cool Things]].

Same argument as before, but even more so.

*Email [[cheat talk]] &mdash; Strong Bad claims that [[The Cheat]] can't learn English, but The Cheat went on to make a number of cartoons with English voice acting.

Speculation that the voices come from the cheat. Remember, he uses macs. Macs have better text-to-speech programs than windows, and has some pretty realistic voices. I know this, not because i am a mac user, but because the principal of my highschool, (er, high school) was. One time i got in trouble for fighting with another kid and we got sent to his office, and he didn't say a word the entire time. He had his computer talk for him. I later found out it was actually a tactic to get us to calm down. It worked, because when we left we weren't fighting anymore, just making fun of what a weirdo the principal was. Okay, long tangential rant over. Next removed fact.

*[[Peasant's Quest]] &mdash; Trogdor says that he is invincible, but in [[TROGDOR!]], he can be killed by touching a knight or an arrow.

People claim to be invincible all the time and they're not. The titanic was unsinkable, remember?

*Email [[senior prom]] &mdash; After Strong Bad's pants are poofed away, he wears boxer shorts, but in [[New Boots]], he reminds The Cheat that he doesn't wear underwear.

Duh! he DOESN'T! That's what he looks like under his pants. Just like the mask and boxing gloves are his face and hands! Just kidding. I didn't actually remove this one.

*Email [[time capsule#Commentary Transcript|time capsule]] (DVD commentary) &mdash; Marzipan revealed that Homestar Runner's middle name was Hal, but in [[Halloween Potion-ma-jig]] Marzipan calls Homestar "Homestar Michael Runner".

Shortly after, she corrects herself and says that's her pet name for him. I contend that Hal can be a short pet name for Mic<U>ha</U>e<U>l</U>.

[[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 05:48, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
:I think most of those are legitimate. That the characters are lying is a possible explanation for the inconsistancies, not a reason why they're definitely not. I can think of explanations for a lot of the things listed on this page. Anyway, there was an interview where they stated that The Cheat does the voices for his cartoons. {{User:Shwoo/sig}} 09:34, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

::Well, that's another issue that i've never seen addressed. What exactly is considered [[wikipedia:Canon (fiction)|canon]] and what isn't? I personally think that interviews and DVD commentaries should be left out. They can say stuff in interviews that can be scrapped later, and they're really not connected with them directly. In fact, this line:
:::A [[20X6]] version of Trogdor, called [[Trogador]], was revealed at the [[NYU Talk - 1 Mar 2005|NYU Talk]], but did not appear in the Homestar Runner canon until [[Happy Trogday]] was released on the third anniversary of Trogdor's debut.
::appears [[Trogdor|here]] implying that we ''don't'' consider interviews to be canon. As for the commentaries, they are impromptu, spur-of-the-moment type of things. A forum for them to say off the wall things about each particular toon, just for the sake of hilarity. I think this topic of dual standards (or maybe lack of official standards on the subject) should be discussed further. [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 18:09, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
:::P.S. The only other two mentions of the word canon on this site are in [[best thing]] referring to the canon of sherlock holmes, not HR, and [[The Homestar Runner Mysfit-steries]] which says that strong bad's memories cannot be considered canon. There needs to be a category on the [[HRWiki:Standards|standards page]] concerning what is and is not considered canon. [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 18:12, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
I don't think the King's castle and Trogdor being invincible should count either.  It's possible the King uses that apt offscreen and that Trogdor is lying. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 02:19, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

One reason the old-timey color thing could stay is that Old-Timey Strong Bad called modern SB a "brightly colored buffoon." [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 19:43, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

== Strong Sad's writing ==

WRiting really tiny and READING really tiny are 2 different things. WIthout the comical magnifying glass, he'd have no reason to write tinily in his notebook..
:What does reading have to do with anything?  The inconsistency is that he wrote a novel on a grain of rice, but it took him two pages of that notebook for him to write one word. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]]
::He was writing a note to himself, so he writes at a size he can read. It's hardly an inconsistency.

== Resolve the cliffhanger please.  Thanks. ==

*Email [[cliffhangers]] &mdash; Coach Z attempts to reveal the [[Thnikkaman]]'s "secret sorcret identity" by removing his [[Cool Shades|cool shades]], but in [[monument]], Bubs (as the Thnikkaman) takes off his shades without his identity being compromised.<br/>
I think this is debatable because we do not know if Coach Z has already seen The Thnikkaman without his shades. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 02:39, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
:It's also debatable in that it might be the removing of the shades that makes <s>him lose his ability to fly</s> his identity revealed. Anyway, Strong Bad and The Cheat were pretty distracted, and that may be why the removal of glasses doesn't give the identity away. On the other hand, Strong Bad might be playing along totally, whereas Coach Z is actually fooled. There are a lot of possible scenarios here, and none of them allow for the kind of contradiction a valid entry on this article would display. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:48, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
::So you want me to put it back, or keep it off, or what? [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 17:00, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
:::It's likely that everyone is fooled by the Thnikkaman costume in monument.  The reason is not because of the cool shades, but the large "TH" sign taped to his chest probably "keeps his identity secret" in the minds of Strong Bad and Coach Z. {{User:Ten Ten/sig}} 14:56, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

== Teeth? ==

I read that the underlings/theme song thing regarding Homestar's teeth was put up and then deleted.  I believe it is also notable that the part of theme song where Homestar had teeth was within Strong Bad's imagination. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 21:56, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

== Strong Sad and Limozeen ==

If the inconsistency on the very bottom of the list was removed from [[concert#Remarks]], should I remove it from this article as well?  I think it's suspicious enough to stay here. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 04:04, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
:I don't think it needs removed from either.  I was kinda wondering about that (the inconsistency) myself.--[[User:Antisexy|Antisexy]] 04:18, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
::I didn't think of it 'til I noticed the fun fact. It's actually a pretty interesting tidbit, and should stay here and there. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 04:20, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
:::I think it should stay only here, because strong sad could of forgot, or he might not of paid attention to the show that much, or any number of reasons like those. So we can keep it here, take it out on the page, and mention what i said here along with the remark.--{{User:Kanjiro/sig}} 04:50, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
::::Considering how pushy Strong Bad is with his opinions, I find it hard to believe that anyone what lives in the same town, let alone the same house, has never heard of Limozeen.--[[User:Antisexy|Antisexy]] 17:35, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
:::::Strong Sad paid enough attention for him to complain that there was no reason for them to be in space, so he probably knew the name of the show at least. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 22:16, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

I think that the reason Strong Sad hasn't heard of Limozeen is probably because it was ''before'' he watched that Saturday morning cartoon. In the laundry room scene in email 175, you should notice that there are no seashells on the washer and dryer knobs. And at the end of [[redesign|email 153]], the seashells are hot glued on the knobs. Obviously, the laundry room scene might have taken place ''before'' emails 126 and 153. Just my theory. [[User:Charlie Jr.|Charlie Jr.]] 16:04, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
:Here's the main flaw with your theory: as in most cartoons, any changes to the Homestar Runner universe are often temporary and are quickly reverted by the following week. Remember when Strong Bad got [[the chair]]? Cartoons are all about keeping the status quo. For all we know, Strong Bad could have taken the seashells off the knobs the following week. Or, more likely, TBC forgot/didn't bother to update it. Anyway, all this is speculative, so no water is carried by either of our arguments. All we can assume is that the emails must take place in chronological order and therefore the events that happen in 175 took place after 153. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 20:16, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

== Strong Bad's undies ==
I removed this fact.  It seems like this page should be reserved for actual factual inconsistencies.  It's not really verifiable whether Strong Bad was wearing underwear when he said it.  Frankly, it always seemed to me like he was making stuff up to begin with.  ("I'm all macho.  I go commando!  I am awesome!")  It's not inconsistant, SB was just clearly lying  [[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 13:59, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
:Or he just didn't understand the concept of "Going Commando" when he said it. -[[User:StarLion|StarLion]] 14:05, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
::DAGRON misled you, StarLion.  He was paraphrasing, not quoting directly.  SB actually says, "But you made my underwears showing! Everybody knows I don't wear underwears!"  {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 16:09, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
:::Erm, I wasn't trying to deceive anyone, if that's what you mean.  I was just trying to explain my reasoning.. [[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 04:19, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

== or maybe... ==

maybe [[carrot and kazoo hill]] and where [[pom pom]] was flipping were on different sides of [[Free Country USA]] [[User:Imdaman]]
: Doesnt work. Was one of the first things i thought of. the position of the flag relative to the fence, and the Tire, disprove this. -[[User:StarLion|StarLion]] 00:12, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

== Needs a rewrite ==

*[[Happy Hallow-Day]] &mdash; Since Halloween night is missing, the [[Spooky Woods]] are in a less spooky state, but even though it wasn't Halloween in [[Where's the Cheat?]], the woods were still spooky.

All I can say reading this is "What?  Huh?  Since they were 'less spooky but still spooky,' it's a discrepancy?"  It either needs to be rewritten more intelligibly, or removed.

== Potentially reconcilling a inconsistencie (or however you spell it) ==

Strong Bad is in Jail Cartoon — The scene behind the fence is missing the Bear Holding a Shark that scared The Cheat in date.   RECONCILLING, POTENTIALLY: The bear holdin' a shark was moved somewhere else in between the 2 Animations. [[User: Poopskin/about|Poopskin, YOUR HEAD ENGSMSPLODE.™]]
:Speculation. Without evidence this happened, we can't say where it is. Just that it's not there like it should be. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 00:53, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

== Strong Bad's computers ==

In regard to the difference in hard drive size of the Lappy in animal and retirement, it seems to me that Strong Bad merely upgraded it in between. He doesn't necessarily need to tell us. [[User:Thejason|Thejason]] 05:14, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
:If it's not stated, it's speculation, which is worse than an inconstistancy. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 05:15, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

== Basement... ==

The basement can clearly be walked into from the right in many toons, but not in others (including the wii game trailer) Why wasn't this listed? {{User:Iyeru/sig}}

== Na Na La La La ==

Should we really count Strong Bad's uses of Na Nas as inconsistent from [[bottom 10]]?  He specifically says that he hates songs that pass them off as legit lyrics, and he sounds hesitant to use them in [[Trogday 08]]. {{User:Bad Bad Guy/sig}} 19:08, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
: He doesn't seem hesitant to me at all. In fact, he shoehorns them in right at the end of "Machine" to get the "N". --{{User:Jay/sig}} 19:16, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

== Word-age ==

I said I'd explain on the discussion page, so here goes. The verbiage (see, I know the real word) of at least two of the inconsistencies was misleading
#Pizza competition: Strong Bad may not have ''forgotten'' about [[Bubs' Old Pizza]]. There are other possibilities: like he didn't consider it competition, for one. Or it doesn't even exist anymore. Picking one possibility over others is pure speculation speculation. Using ''neglect'' allows for all the possibilities.
#Location of Strong Bad's room: Stating that SB's room is "near" the basement is confusing, as the first floor is also "near" the basement. Apparently, the basement is considered a room in this context, so I made that clearer by stating that SB's room and the basement are "on the same floor".

If I notice them, I'll explain any other changes I make to the page along these lines. It is my policy to explain my edits, lest they be reverted because they are not understood. {{User:Trlkly/sig}} 13:42, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

== Inconsistencies that can be dismissed as coincidences: ==
Are they true inconsistencies?

''Email flashback — Strong Bad claims he lost count around email 51, but he began caffeine (the 91st Strong Bad Email) with "Coming in at number 91, it's, E-Maaaaaaaaaaail!" ''
Remember that the "coming in at 91" is referring to a music countdown (or something similar). The fact that the email is number 91 as well CAN be explained away as coincidence. Do we consider the fact that the coincidence is unlikely and write it off as inconsistency? [[Special:Contributions/64.131.243.107|64.131.243.107]] 13:59, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

''Strong Sad's Lament — Strong Sad writes that he can't jump, yet he manages to jump in A Jumping Jack Contest, as well as in Experimental Film, stunt double, and boring (really). ''
How about Strong Sad likes to whine and/or exaggerate? [[Special:Contributions/64.131.243.107|64.131.243.107]] 14:04, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

''Halloween Fairstival — Strong Bad states that he doesn't know or care what a haiku is, but he had previously recited one in japanese cartoon. ''

He was a poet, and didn't even know it! [[Special:Contributions/64.131.243.107|64.131.243.107]] 14:41, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

''Email bottom 10 — Strong Bad's list includes "Songs that try to pass off la la's, na na's, and doot do's as legit lyrics", but Strong Bad sang "Na na na" in the intro to secret recipes does it again in Trogday 08, and sings "da doot doot" in portrait. ''
Strong Bad not following his own rules? Since when is this an inconsistency? [[Special:Contributions/64.131.243.107|64.131.243.107]] 14:49, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

''Email pizza joint — Strong Bad was shocked to learn that there was "competition" between his pizza joint, The Pizz and the Cheat's "Cheatsa Pizza", neglecting the existence of a third pizza brand, Bubs' Old Pizza. ''
He forgot? [[Special:Contributions/64.131.243.107|64.131.243.107]] 14:49, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

== Don't have to be a poet to write a poem. ==

About his haiku, I find it unlikely that it's a real haiku. "So cool an email. I thought you would enjoy it. Ding dong Dear Strong Bad" Who's to say the last sentence is actually part of the intro? I think he's just saying that to be funny. Also, in about half of my MANY stories I write for friends, I've ended up writing poems without knowing! I don't think it should count. It's not even a coincedence. "Ding dong Dear Strong Bad" isn't part of the haiku. He's done things like that before. Like, "Double Dear Strong Bad" and things. Just saying. [[User:Tizye96|Tizye96]] 01:22, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
: Yeah no. This is definitely a haiku. What are the odds that Strong Bad says fragments of sentences in a flowing pattern in an email '''about Japenese Culture?!''' Anyway, I like that you're thinking, but today you are wrong. --[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] 23:10, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
== Yearbook page/flashback ==

Don't we know that the flashback in email 100 is true? I have a inconsistency that relies on it being true, but someone took it down because he said that we don't know if it's true. But, Strong Bad and Homestar agree on it being true. And, even if it wasn't true, couldn't we still have this inconsistency?  --Philip8o
:Strong Bad tends to make up stories (see [[History according to Strong Bad]]), and Homestar's so stupid that he agrees with them even when they're confirmed to be fake (e.g., [[original]]). Therefore, the flashback might not have happened at all. 21:32, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

== 8-bit is enough? ==

I removed this fact,concluding that it was a goof:

The events of the game occur shortly after the gang all watches Dangeresque 3: The Criminal Projective. Even though the Computer Room had no calendar when Strong Bad brought the tape downstairs, there is one in 8-Bit is Enough. 

But DeFender brought it back,saying all of them are goofs.We seem to make Inconsistencies a remark,and there is a calender in every other episode.Should it stay or go?--[[User:Mariofan1000|Mariofan1000]] 22:08, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

== Marzi's legs ==
I'm not sure how to word this on the page, but in one toon, Marzipan says Homestar is kicking her shin, but in [[The House That Gave Sucky Treats]] it looks like her body's skirt shaped because you can see pink flesh in the hole in her costume, but in [[Kick-A-Ball]], she apparintly has invisable legs.  It's pretty weird. {{User:Coach z's cool/sig}} 17:14, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

== What's that word again? Consistency! ==

In [[email thunder]] Strong Bad is shocked to find Homestar has his own show, despite bearing direct witness to it in [[Hremail 7]]. Is this worth noting? --[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] 23:06, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

:Um, considering that Hremail 7 succeeded Email Thunder, it was meant to be one big joke of role-reversal, where Homestar acts like Strong Bad and Strong Bad acts like Homestar. Not really a true inconsistency, it was more intentional. [[Special:Contributions/76.249.46.108|76.249.46.108]]

::[[animal|Check out these (not even sense-making) speculations]]--[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] 19:48, 5 May 2009 (UTC).

== TGS Inconsistencies ==

Currently, there's an "inconsistency" listed that Cheerleader claims to not be an actual cheerleader but just one in the way she dresses and treats other girls. I don't think TGS "inconsistencies" should be listed because:
-> It's not "within the HR universe," it's in a created work within it.
-> If we do count these, then what about things like, "So and So died in Issue X but was completely unscathed in Issue X+1." It's not meant to be a consistent/coherent plot line, and such inconsistencies are hugely on purpose.

== No Smoking ==

*[[On Break]] &mdash; Strong Bad denies being a smoker despite the fact that he's been seen smoking a cigar in [[Store Thank You Message]].
Rather than edit warring, I'm bringing it up here. My reasons against this fact:
#"Being a smoker" usually refers to someone who smokes cigarettes, not cigars or pipes.
#"Being a smoker" usually refers to some who smokes habitually, rather than just once in a while. Similar to how being an alcoholic is usually referring to someone who drinks habitually, not someone who has a shot once in a while.
#Even if we accept the idea that smoking a cigar or pipe on occasion makes one "a smoker", SB lying about it or forgetting about it is not an inconsistency, (and perhaps he understands the definition of "smoker" the same way i do...)
For all these reasons, I don't think this belongs on this page. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 02:44, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

== More Hremail7 Inconsistencies ==

In [[isp|ISP]], Bubs says that Strong Bad is his lone internet customer, yet Homestar was obviously checking emails during the period that email was released. Of course, this is based on the assumption that Homestar would have the same ISP, but there is a slight chance that he doesn't. Of course, they have the same host... [[User:Sifi89|Sifi89]] 21:25, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
:Seems like a stretch though... {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 21:26, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
::Early Homestar seems to be smart enough not to get his Internet from Bubs. {{User:Trlkly/sig}} 23:45, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

== Most of this page is bogus ==

This inconsistencies page assumes that every character has a total recall of all past events, and includes many instances when a character making a statement about the past could easily be lying or mistaken. (Especially Strong Bad) A dishonest or confused character is not a universe inconsistency. Only instances where inconsistencies are '''actually shown on screen''' should be listed, all others should be moved to a separate page for false statements. --{{User:Nerd42/sig}} 19:07, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
:Disagree. Unless there's a specific reason for them to forget it, such as it being part of a joke, (which to my knowledge has never actually happened,) then it's just TBC forgetting what they've done in the past and being inconsistent. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 19:16, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
::Can't we at least differentiate between inconsistencies shown on screen and inconsistencies in character memories? --{{User:Nerd42/sig}} 00:02, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

== Refutation ==

The one about [[On Break]] has a refutation in the toon's talk page. There's seems to be agreement there that Strong Bad's smoking does not count as an inconsistency, but a Remark. I added a counterpoint to reflect this. But I'm not sure that is proper. Perhaps we should delete the original point instead. {{User:Trlkly/sig}} 23:50, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
:To paraphrase what I said in the edit summary, it can be rationalized, but the fact as is written is factual, and so should stay, imo. -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.151.223|132.183.151.223]] 00:27, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

==Paper Mask==
"Email [[pom pom]] &mdash; Strong Bad can not type legibly when he is blindfolded, but in [[impression]] he could type properly even while wearing a paper plate mask. In [[morning routine]], he is also able to type with an empty potato chip bag on one hand."
Has anybody thought about maybe, oh... If there are eye holes in the mask? --[[User:Essence of Ghost Water|Essence of Ghost Water]] 11:26, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
:Big green eyes and a paper plate mask? They'd be pretty visible if there were any, wouldn't they? There are none visible, so we can conclude there are none. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 11:29, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

== Bubs' Concession Stand Isn't on the Left, it's Just in the Foreground ==

It's technically possible that the two scenes comparing the locations of Bubs' concession stand are consistent with each other and what we're really seeing is a parallax effect.  I don't really care if the wiki is amended, I just want to show off my vast intellect.--[[User:Bobo the King|Bobo the King]] 06:02, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

== Homestar Doing two email shows? ==
Despite already doing hremails Homestar auditions for Strong Bad's email [[replacement]] --[[User:Happypasta|Happypasta]] 01:43, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
:Given that it's homestar, and specifically, what he does in the audition, I find it questionable whether he even knew what the audition was for... and even so, people take second jobs all the time, doesn't make it inconsistent. That, and hremails weren't even a glint in matt's eye back then. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 11:57, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
::he also checks sbemail in [[anything]] {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig‎}} 00:42, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

== The Cheat's Computer? ==

The article says that in [[huttah!]] the Cheat doesn't have a computer. However, if you watch through the cartoon, you can see the Cheat, at his computer, watching watching Strong Bad answer the email. The Cheat at his computer is even the screen shot for the episode on the Wiki page. Invalid example? {{unsigned|76.103.103.103|00:02, 28 May 2011 (UTC)}}
:This is exactly why we have it listed on this page. I clarified the phrasing on this one to make it more explicitly clear. {{User:LobStoR/sig}} 09:28, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
::Strong Bad knew perfectly well at the time of [[huttah!]] that The Cheat had a computer. He was getting annoyed about all the The Cheat-based hype he was getting in his inbox, and he was just trying to counter it by telling a [[blatant lie]]. {{User:The Knights Who Say Ni/sig}} 17:57, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
:::Which is why I just removed it.  It belongs on the blatant lies page. &mdash; [[User:Ngamer01|Ngamer01]] 21:21, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

== 20X6 vs. 1936 ==
In [[20X6 vs. 1936], [[Stinkoman]] and [[The Homestar Runner]] never mention what year they're from, so how does The Homestar Runner know what year Stinkoman lives in and Stinkoman knows what year The Homestar Runner lives in? Are they good guessers, or what? [[68.17.147.84]]