Editing Talk:Strong Bad Email Statistics

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==Comments on the Progress==

This page is coming together quite nicely - I like what [[User:DMurphy|DMurphy]] has created thus far - I think the "No Loafing Pie Chart" was a great choice - it adds a perfect amount of humor to this page. The descriptions of the interpretations of the data are thorough and that's grood, er..good for anyone interested in the interesting field of statistics. I just hope the average fans of Strong Bad Emails will be as enthusastic about the statistical information as those who have a subscription to [[Nerdular Nerdence]]! Nevertheless, I think '''everyone''' (ability in mathematics notwithstanding) can learn something from the data charts. I hope to see/make a pie chart soon! --[[User:The Paper|The Paper]] 01:49, 27 Mar 2005 (MST)

...Yep, I have no clue what you all are saying. --[[User:Color Printer|Color Printer]] 06:42, 27 Mar 2005 (MST)

== Database ==

Anyone wishing to help with this project that doesn't want to undertake the tedious task of data entry can request a database from [[user:The Paper|The Paper]] or me.  The database is a very user-friendly excel file which has data on Time, Location, Name, and various other categories for each of the 126 emails.  Just [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Special:Emailuser&target=DMurphy e-mail me] and I'll be happy to send you a copy of the file. --[[User:DMurphy|DMurphy]] 15:45, 27 Mar 2005 (MST)

== Wow! ==

[[User:DMurphy|DMurphy]] and [[User:The Paper|The Paper]]- you guys did a great job on this! It really makes this wiki look smart. This rocks! &rarr;''<small><tt>[[User:FireBird|<font color=green>FireBird</font>]]</tt></small>'' 23:58, 27 Mar 2005 (MST)

This page is awesome and beautiful and beautifully awesome. [[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora Szalinski]] 11:56, 28 Mar 2005 (MST)

== My god... ==

You guys have WAY too much time on your hands.

Yep, they do. --[[User:Color Printer|Color Printer]] 10:56, 28 Mar 2005 (MST)

:Not really... any statistics major could put this together in 30 minutes or less.  The hard part is data collection, which was already done before I got the idea to start this page.  I know it looks like this would take days of work, but Excel makes the project easy to complete.  Anyway, it's spring break for me, and I didn't have anything planned for the night I started this, so I decided to make a new page.  --[[User:DMurphy|DMurphy]] 16:23, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)

==[[bottom 10]]==
Why do you say bottom 10 has 2 emails? The second one was just Fwd:'s and Re:'s.
:Still, after the joke, I think we were supposed to assume that an email eventually popped up. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 05:43, 30 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== Nominated for featured article ==

This article has been nominated for article of the week and I for one would like to see that happen &mdash; it's a really great article. One thing that needs to happen first, though, is it needs a good opening summary paragraph. I might try my hand at writing one, but it would probably sound better coming from someone who really understands all this statistical stuff. Maybe summarize why these charts where created and what we can learn from studying the emails this way. &mdash; {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 04:48, 22 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:You know what? I realy like this page, so whan I'm back from school I'll try my hand at writing one. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 05:16, 22 Aug 2005 (UTC)

::I'd go for it if a good paragraph was written for it. Joey: a better place to talk about this would be [[HRWiki:Featured Article Selection]]. &mdash;[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 12:39, 22 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:::So? What do think? Is it good enough? {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 15:17, 22 Aug 2005 (UTC)

::::I'm sure my English teacher would think this is great, E.L. --[[User:Ookelaylay|Ookelaylay]] 00:55, 31 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:::::Thanks! {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 05:21, 31 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:::: E.L. Cool, that's a great intro paragraph. I'm glad to see this on the front page. Way to go! &mdash; {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 00:38, 2 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:::::Why, thank you! {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 04:17, 2 Sep 2005 (UTC)

== Intro paragraph ==

I think the intro paragraph takes the purpose of the page in the wrong direction. It shouldn't be worded to sound like this is a place for making predictions, because that's not what I came to this page for. I came to look at the charts. (In other words, keep the focus in the past, and not the future.) &mdash;[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 22:55, 22 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:The only part that is about making predictions is "...or how the future emails will be". If you want to change go write ahead. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 05:16, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)
::I like what has been added to the opening paragraph. It reads much more smoother now and I think the  users of the wiki will notice. Thanks for the active interest in keeping this article up-to-date and looking smart. I think DMurphy may have left the project, but we're certainly keeping his creation in tip-top shape. Much appreciated. =) {{User:The Paper/sig}} 00:51, 24 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== Block Computer ==

Did you guys count the Block Computer from "Other Days"?  Technically, that has 2 emails.--[[User:Martin925|Martin925]] 23:15, 29 Aug 2005 (UTC)
:We have rather "strict" (read arbitrary) guidelines meaning that first computer (or device) that Strong Bad uses in each particular email is the one we consider "used". In other words, we are aware of Block but we do not consider it one of the "others". {{User:The Paper/sig}} 05:39, 30 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== Time spent with... ==

Perhaps a new chart - time spent with each computer? Just a product of "Percentage of emails by computer era" and "Average length of emails by computer era".

Maybe even "Percentage of time Strong Bad spends physically in front of the computer," by email number or by era, but that would mean a lot of new data collection so probably not worth the effort. {{User:phlip/sig}} 04:16, 7 Oct 2005 (UTC)

== Scatterplots ==

I don't know about you, but on the next scatterplots, I would love to have Email titles with arrows pointing to all the outliers, above and below. &mdash;[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 03:28, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
:I will certainly take this into considering when/if I make a new scatterplot graph. Thanks for the helpful suggestion. {{User:The Paper/sig}} 03:45, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

== Back ==

Well, I stopped in to see how things are going today.  I've been quite busy with school and other things, but I do have some time at the moment.  I added a general statistics section.  I'm also about to upload the Time Spent With Each Computer chart someone suggested.  As far as adding arrows to the scatter plot goes, it's possible, but would require adding all the labels by hand.  As there are about 15 outliers, not only would it be time consuming but it also might get a bit messy.  Perhaps just a label for the outliers with the highest residual and lowest residual?  Those would be Vacation and Colonization, respectively. --[[User:DMurphy|DMurphy]] 03:51, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

=="Unreliable" Date?==

I just deleted [[sb_email 22]] was released between Vacation Postcard #5 and invisibility. It's as "reliable" as any others from LiveJournals. Why was this in the "unreliable" section in the first place? {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 02:00, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

== Updates ==

It would be nice if this page would be updated again.  This of course, looks like a lot of work.  It would be nice if there was a way to streamline this process and have some scripts that would automate the creation of some of the wiki text elements and charts (nothing too fancy) for inclusion into this page.  My guess is that using Excel's string function capabilities would help.  Anyway, speaking of excel, the link to the original .xls file is gone.  It seems strongfans has reorganized its site but i have no idea where to even begin looking for this file.  Does anyone have a copy? It would be nice if the excel file could be kept in the wiki vaults instead of offsite, since we depend on that data for this page so much. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 15:45, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
* I attempted to upload the file a while back, but the wiki doesn't allow it.  I gave a copy to The Paper and InterruptorJones a while back, so they may have maintained the DB.  Otherwise, I have a DB that's not updated (I think it goes through 125ish).  It really doesn't take a lot to update the DB... the hard part is making all the pretty graphs and it's such a time-sensitive page that it's tough to keep it updated.  I think it would be best to just wikify the data and put it on a separate page.  No way I'm up for doing that though... heh.  If you want to Wikify the graphics too, be my guest, but I have absolutely no idea how to do that.  Email me at dolan.murphy@gmail.com for the db. -[[User:DMurphy|DMurphy]] 23:11, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
* Also, I'm not entirely familiar with Wiki scripting, but I'm not sure it would be able to, for example, calculate the least squares regression line or the rank of the length, so it may be best served in an excel file and it's just a matter of (a) figuring out how to host the file on the wiki or (b) finding a dedicated host that will update it after every e-mail, but who also knows how to calculate the LSRL equation (as explained in the article).  I think this article could be a LOT better if we figure out how to open the database to the community.  But, I know I'm tired of spending time updating graphs, so if there's someway to have wiki calculate the LinReg graphs and other things, please, be my guest.  And if it's too much to update the LSRL every week, we could just base it on the first 100 data points... that should be accurate enough anyway. -[[User:DMurphy|DMurphy]] 23:30, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
*:Hi DMurphy! Again, thanks for the reply to my inquiry.  I have emailed you about a copy the Excel file. As for wiki-fying some of the graphics: at the very least one of the graphics can be wikified: [[:Image:SBESTimeSpentChart.png|SBESTimeSpentChart.png]] doesn't need all that text on a picture, and can instead be turned into text for [[Strong_Bad_Email_Statistics#Total_Time_Spent_Using_Each_Computer|this]] section with the static graphics used in the original picture. That is probably the easy part.  I seriously doubt that this wiki has dynamic code generation implemented for security reasons.  My guess is that the best bet to do this is have a template of sorts which a local program (such as a Perl Script) can generate the appropriate wiki code that can be cut and pasted onto the real page. This would at least allow on-the-fly recreation for most of the data once a new email is released.  The hard part is then making those graphs. However I do think that there are command-line programs that would let you make them, but they'd likely look different from the excel versions seen now. This would also flood the file history with new uploads (not necessarily a bad thing).  It might be more feasable if this graph is updated every 1 or 2 months based on SBE frequency.  Regardless, some local scripting would make the job a lot easier. Once I get the Excel files i'll play around with things and see what I can get. Thanks! --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 20:21, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
::Sorry for the late reply. I will get the excel database to you as quickly as possible. As for the link, I will try to get it working in the next day or so. {{User:The Paper/sig}} 21:39, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
:::Ok cool! Let me know when it's ready. Also, have you got a chance to check out issues regarding my most [[User_talk:Stux#New_forum_account|recent problem]] with strongfans? --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 16:20, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

== Excel file ==
The current link to the Excel file is broken. It would be nice if we could a) enable uploads for .xls files so anyone could update the Excel file and re-upload it at will, and b) include all charts (and necessary data) inside the Excel file, so the person updating the data can also update the charts on this page. I'm working on an improved Excel file, but will need some help with the fancier charts.

'''Edit:''' Boo on me for not reading the above discussion before posting this. Still, I'd like to know if anybody's interested in my suggestions. <small>&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]]</small> 16:40, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
:The link should once again be operational. I am still not sure why the file was deleted from the server in the first place. It does need to be updated as the latest email to be recorded on the file is #127 ([[best thing]]). My apologies to Stux et al. who were interested in updating the file but due to my procrastination were unable. {{User:The Paper/sig}} 11:15, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

== Automation ==

It seems like all of these charts and graphs are produced by hand and then converted into PNGs. That seems like a really tedious process. Have you guys ever considered using some automated chart generator where you just have a stored set of data that is grabbed to dynamically generate charts and graphs? And based on a couple of Google searches, it seems like many different software packages to do this are available (and many are freeware). (Like [http://www.maani.us/xml_charts/index.php this one], for instance.) Just a thought. --{{User:Soapergem/sig}} 04:25, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

== Shim Sham? ==

Since <span class="plainlinks">[http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=portrait&curid=15921&diff=317885&oldid=316905 another edit]</span> brought up the topic of emails-answered-by-wiki-users, I checked the others. After a ''long'', long search, my research on [[time capsule]] led to <span class="plainlinks">[http://fanstuff.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:Shim-Sham-Sam&diff=194425&oldid=194169 this]</span> conversation, which seems to trump the "assume good faith" re-revert which led to its inclusion up to now. &mdash;[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 06:16, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
:Well, unfortunately, due to the mass amounts of people who have claimed to have had Strong Bad answer one of their e-mails, I don't think that assuming good faith is enough in this case or in any other Strong-Bad-answered-my-e-mail cases (not that I agree, I'm just stating the facts). I could be wrong, but judging by Dot com's edit on the link you provided, I don't think so. This post is far too negative. It needs a Homsar quote.
::'''DaAaAaAaAaA! {{homsarquote}} -''' {{User:Super_Sam/sig}} 11:12, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

== Data as wiki table ==

Thanks to a tool I found on [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Tools/Editing_tools#mwpush]] I have a wiki-syntax table of the raw data. Is there any interest in having a page for it here? {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 06:30, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

== Regular updating ==

Okay, I'll get right to the point: this page needs to be updated. Badly. It should also be updated every few emails, maybe every 10 or so. To do that, we would need a team of professionals to add to the Excel sheets and make new charts for each update. I have little to no experience in statistics, and will to what I can, but I ''will'' need help. &mdash; {{User:SamFisher1022/sig}} 16:13, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
:The spreadsheet's only three emails behind. The scatter plot goes with the spreadsheet, but yeah, the rest of the graphs could use some updating. Who's better than bad at graphic design? {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 18:00, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

== Strong Bad checking more than one email ==

''The following was copied from [[Talk:Strong Bad checking more than one email]] when it was decided to merge the content of that article with this one:''
===Merge===
<blockquote>This page is a more wordy duplicate of [[Strong Bad Email Statistics#Strong Bad Emails Featuring More Than One Email]]. It should be redirected and it's content merged. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 15:58, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
:This page should not be merged. We can just merge the [[Strong Bad Email Statistics#Strong Bad Emails Featuring More Than One Email]] onto this page. {{User:Sam the Man/sig}}
::Replace "checking" with "featuring" and capitalise all the words. We can provide a link to this article on Strong Bad Email Statistics. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 17:46, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
:::I agree with Elcool: '''merge and redirect'''. {{User:4kai2lyn6/sig}} 18:02, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
::::Knowing that we already have this info on the Statistics page, I have to agree with the '''merge'''. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 18:06, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
:::::I agree with The Chort. Maybe have a short segment and one of those "Main article" things... --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 02:07, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
::::::Agree con El Chorto and Super Martyo Hermano. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 02:11, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
:::::::'''<s>Delete</s> Merge and redirect''' for the exact same reason I voted to delete that article about Hrwiki people who got their emails on Strong Bad Email: This info can already be found on Strong Bad Email Statistics. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 23:55, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
::::::::I just updated that statisics section.  Now it's even safer to redirect, imho. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 20:08, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::I vote for '''merge and redirect'''. {{unsigned|DNA Evidence|20:14, 23 May 2007 (UTC)}}
::::::::::'''Merge and redirect'''. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 03:03, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

yeah yah, totally, yah {{User:Slipknot6477/sig}} 02:30, 19 July 2007 (UTC)</blockquote>

== Wi2k Bug ==

Could someone present me with the evidence that Wi2k Bug wrote [[the paper]]? [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 20:26, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

== "Substantiated Claims" ==

I'm assuming "substantiated claims" are those with enough evidence to make it more reasonable than not to assume the editor was the author of the email. It does not imply proof or certainty. Does anyone disagree with my take on this? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:22, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
:Just thought I'd revive this with something to add. I believe this section (and all remarks related to it in the individual email pages) should be deleted, as proof can be highly questionable and [http://clamburger.org/misc/web%20comics.png easy to fake] (not accusing anybody here, but it's possible). Also, having these people doesn't add to the encyclopedic content of the page and really just serves to give the users listed bragging rights. - {{User:Super_Sam/sig}} 15:13, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

== Weird Facts ==
I did some research, and as of currently (no differentiation from other computers. Just Tandy, Compy, and Lappy.):

Tandy Total: 53 min 33 sec
Tandy Average: 1 min 20.325 seconds

Compy Total: 3 hours 22 min 37 sec
Compy Average: 2 min 35.859 sec

Lappy Total: 4 hours 58 min 23 sec
Lappy Average: 3 min 52.507 sec (\/ .329 sec)

This includes love poems.

SBEmailnum314159: Some time, Some day and month 20XX.

Edited: [[User:Sbemailnum314159|Sbemailnum314159]] 20:10, 30 January 2008 (UTC), 22:26, 4 February 2008 (UTC),22:14, 4 March 2008 (UTC) 21:16, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

== Length vs. date ==

Can we please get a scatter plot of e-mail lengths with date, rather than issue number, as the independent (x-axis) variable? I think that would be more useful as a predictor of how long future e-mails will be. [[User:Seahen|Seahen]] 18:16, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

==Outdated==

this info is so outdated [[User:Physicsguymonsterman|Physicsguymonsterman]] 20:48, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

== Time since last email ==

Hey!  Unless the online date calculators are wrong, it's been about 71 days since the last sbemail.  Is this going to be a new record, or were there any longer delays (than 71 days) between emails since 2006? -[[User:Dutchscout|Dutchscout]] 16:13, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
:Looks like the longest delay on record was between [[halloweener]] and [[brianrietta]], which was exactly 71 days.  I can't find any mention of a delay between e-mails longer than that.  Do we record this now, though, or wait until the delay is over, which I'm guessing will happen once the last game has been released? -[[User:MNGoldenEagle|MNGoldenEagle]] 16:46, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
::Once SBEmail 201 is released, then we can worry about this triviality. If SBEmail 201 is not released for a long time, then we can worry, period. I have a feeling though that they're working on other projects at the moment, like other toons, the Roomisodes, even, dare I say, Level 10 of Stinkoman 20X6. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 17:33, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
Since it's on the page, can someone put a script so it doesn't have to be updated everyday?
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 ::Once SBEmail 201 is released, then we can worry about this triviality. If SBEmail 201 is not released for a long time, then we can worry, period. I have a feeling though that they're working on other projects at the moment, like other toons, the Roomisodes, even, dare I say, Level 10 of Stinkoman 20X6. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 17:33, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
 Since it's on the page, can someone put a script so it doesn't have to be updated everyday?
-:::Hooray!  Looks like 279 days ftw!  Any objections about this being the time between sbemails? -[[User:Dutchscout|Dutchscout]]
-==long pants==
-It says in the facts: ''Only [[long pants|one email]] longer than four sentences has ever been used.''
-Why does it say that? unless i am mistaken as to what a sentence is,
-(1) Why doesn't homestar ever wear pants? (2) It's kind of creepy how he walks around with no pants on all the time. (3) Anyway, I think you should get him some pants, maybe some parachute pants would work...yeah, that would work. (4) Or maybe some clown pants, I don't care, just get him some pants!
-i'm getting 4. is there something else being counted as a sentence? {{User:The Knights Who Say Ni/sig}} 01:40, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
-:(1) Why doesn't homestar ever wear pants? (2) It's kind of creepy how he walks around with no pants on all the time. (3) Anyway, I think you should get him some pants, maybe some parachute pants would work... (4) yeah, that would work. (5) Or maybe some clown pants, I don't care, just get him some pants! {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 01:42, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
-::but do ellipses constitute the end of a sentence? especially if the word after them isn't capitalized, like "Why", "It's", "Anyway,", and "Or", it seems like they don't. at the beginning of each sentence, Clancy capitalizes the first letter. (understood that bad and homestar should have been capitalized also) {{User:The Knights Who Say Ni/sig}} 04:29, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
-== Minimum interval ==
-I kinda think retirement shouldn't count, since it's really one two-part email.  I think it probably shouldn't be removed, but can we add a note that's like, "Besides this two part email, the shortest interval was..." in the same way we list the longest interval "during an active period.  Anyway, does someone *know* the shortest interval besides retirement? -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.140.193|132.183.140.193]] 02:05, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
-:I would assume a week, and that multiple intervals fit it. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 02:10, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
-::i'm pretty sure there's a 4-day interval [[i love you|out there]] [[theme party|somewhere]]. {{User:The Knights Who Say Ni/sig}} 02:25, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
-:::TKWSN just demonstrated your assumption to be incorrect. -[[Special:Contributions/128.103.10.135|128.103.10.135]] 03:29, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
-::::I went ahead and added it.  It's interesting that one of the longest intervals was followed immediately by one of the shortest (around brianrietta). -[[Special:Contributions/128.103.10.135|128.103.10.135]] 03:38, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
-== Compé ==
-Somebody needs to add the Compé into all those graphs and charts... Is that even possible? {{User:Movie magic man/sig}} 03:01, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
-:Possible... but really hard. [[User:Philip8o|Philip8o]] 06:02, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
-== Update? ==
-Is this page EVER gonna be updated with the Compé, Corpy's New Email, or anything like that? We can't have it stay like this forever! [[User:SBE-mail Checker Dan|SBE-mail Checker Dan]] 18:59, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
-== Spreadsheet ==
-The spreadsheet has a new home! And I've updated it! {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 04:25, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
-== Spreadsheet ==
-The spreadsheet is totally and utterly wrong. Can it please be fixed? {{User:RickTommy/sig}} 12:53, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
-== long emails ==
-[[long pants]] is long, but I think [[credit card]] is around the same amount of sentences. --[[User:Still Homsar|Still Homsar]] 09:35, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
-== Sentence length of emails ==
-The "[[Strong Bad Email Statistics#Other information|Other information]]" section has a few brief statistics about the length of emails - that is, how many sentences long the email is. Is this information recorded anywhere? I see an article measuring the emails by [[Strong Bad Email By Length|length of the '''runtime''']], but nothing about how many sentences the sender typed up. Short of scrolling through [[User:Stux/Strong Bad Email Emails]] and tallying up sentence count, is there any easier way to measure this? --{{User:Bleu Ninja/sig}} 17:24, 5 January 2023 (UTC)