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== Sounds Dangerous starring Drew Carrey ==
== Sounds Dangerous starring Drew Carrey ==
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Does anyone have any information on this? The links I found online confirmed its existence but not any of the details. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 04:37, 24 Sep 2005 (UTC)
Does anyone have any information on this? The links I found online confirmed its existence but not any of the details. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 04:37, 24 Sep 2005 (UTC)
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I discovered this when I went to Disney world, it is to similar to be a coincidence. If it is, then that is just creepy. It is a theater attraction starring drew carrey. He is a celebrity undercover cop who has to find a guy called renaldi. Here are the similarities: Renaldo says "sounds dangerous" (name of attraction, and something drew carrey's sidekick says a few times), Renaldi is almost the same word as Renaldo, and both star a celebrity undercover cop. There are probably more similarities but I havent been to Disney World for a while. [[User:Sox101|Sox101]] 03:23, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
I discovered this when I went to Disney world, it is to similar to be a coincidence. If it is, then that is just creepy. It is a theater attraction starring drew carrey. He is a celebrity undercover cop who has to find a guy called renaldi. Here are the similarities: Renaldo says "sounds dangerous" (name of attraction, and something drew carrey's sidekick says a few times), Renaldi is almost the same word as Renaldo, and both star a celebrity undercover cop. There are probably more similarities but I havent been to Disney World for a while. [[User:Sox101|Sox101]] 03:23, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
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Revisiting this concept - the show is no longer active but [[YouTube:9983_kHskbE|a full recording can be seen on YouTube]], with automatic captions doing a solid job capturing the story. Personally I think any connection is tenuous at best - enough to at least change the article from "Dangeresque is probably based on..." to "Elements of Dangeresque may be inspired by...", if not removing it altogether.
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* The phrase "Sounds Dangerous" is only said ''once'' during the attraction, and it's in an introduction directed at the audience rather than during the narrative.
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* Charlie Foster is a geeky, bumbling undercover detective. Dangeresque is cocky and portrayed as cool, and although he is [[The Theme from Dangeresque II|a private eye, a crooked cop, a secret agent, and a celebrity pharmacist]] he's not an ''undercover'' cop.
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* Foster is taking on a smuggler, Dangeresque takes on kidnappings and thefts.
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*''SD!'' is styled like a live, unedited broadcast; ''Dangeresque'' is heavily edited.
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*''SD!'' uses a gimmick of being audio-based (the camera feed is 'accidentally' cut off for much of the show), although ''Dangeresque'' is humorously low-budget the video is constantly intact.
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*"The Great Renaldi" is a circus performer's stage name, the character is an antagonist; "Renaldo" is an individual connected to law enforcement who does not appear to be using a false name, he works with the protagonist. Their appearances do not seem to have anything in common.
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So to my eyes it goes from "too similar to be a coincidence" to "barely connected" - protagonists are both "law enforcement" but have little to no similarity in appearance, name, or characterization and the plot and antagonist are similarly different. --{{User:Bleu Ninja/sig}} 21:15, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
==Bad. Strong Bad.==
==Bad. Strong Bad.==
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The burden of proof falls on you, not me. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 03:23, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
The burden of proof falls on you, not me. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 03:23, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
:Or me. {{User:MichaelXX2/sig}} 03:24, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
:Or me. {{User:MichaelXX2/sig}} 03:24, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
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::I don't have the movies, OK? It's what my friend said, plus I seem to remember hearing it on a Bond film whilst channel-surfing.  {{User:Strongkinghomsarsmith/sig}} 03:29, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
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:::This conversations is going nowhere. Please don't post here again without some sort of proof. Thanks. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 03:30, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
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::::Debate's over. My friend did get it from Strong Bad. He did think it was a parody, however. As for my memory of channel-surfing, my memory can only be trusted after a good thirty minutes of thinking. I took a memory test earlier. {{User:Strongkinghomsarsmith/sig}} 01:19, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
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== Template ==
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Should we make a template listing all the Dangeresque movies and characters? {{User:Bad Bad Guy/sig}} 17:37, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
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:Maybe... {{User:Strongkinghomsarsmith/sig}} 02:44, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
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::I made an [http://hrwiki.org/index.php?title=HRWiki:Sandbox&oldid=604371 example in the sandbox], and I think that a Dangeresque template would be a good idea. {{User:ThePizz/sig}} 16:14, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
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== Redirect "Dangeresque"? ==
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At this rate, "Dangeresque" could really disambiguate a whole lot of stuff. Why don't we just get "Dangeresque" to redirect to [[Dangeresque (film series)]], since it is probably intended to be looked up in that way? --[[Special:Contributions/70.253.165.204|70.253.165.204]] 03:34, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
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:I see two problems with that already. A) The character is also named Dangeresque. Further, Dangeresque Too (at least in his email debut) is also referred to without the Too frequently enough. 2) The filename for the first Dangeresque Roomisode game is "dangeresque.html". The disambig solves both of these problems, as people might not know specifically what to search for and are offered all these options upon entering "Dangeresque" in the search field. I think it's far more useful as a disambig. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 05:51, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
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== Er...what? ==
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Oh hi! I was looking at the disambig page and noticed that the link "puppet toon" links to [[Puppet Time]] instead of [[Puppet Stuff]]. Is this purposeful or just a goof? If it is, could someone fix it? Thanks!
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-Pingu5040
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== Names in transcripts ==
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I suggested seven years ago that we have this discussion on this page, but it looks like it never got started. If we had the discussion on some other page, please direct me to it. Without further ado, why do the transcripts of the Dangeresque toons refer to the characters as their real names instead of their Dangeresque names? — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:01, 23 December 2017 (UTC)
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:I don't know. Only thing I can think of is that they keep going off script but I think it makes more sense to do it the other way. [[User:Guybrush20X6|Guybrush20X6]] 23:27, 23 December 2017 (UTC)
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::I would actually be completely in favor of using the Dangeresque character names. The complications I can think of are:
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::# The times when people are out of character, which happens not infrequently
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::# The times when Strong Sad fills in as stunt double
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::# The fact that [[Baron Darin Diamonocle|Bub's villian character]] isn't named in [[stunt double]]
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::These, however, are not insurmountable. For #1, I'd suggest that we have a separate line of dialogue tagged as the person themselves and with a note reading "''{Out of character}''" at the start. For #2, I'm not sure that Strong Sad has any in-character dialogue as a character not usually played by himself, so the solution to #1 might be enough, but if there ARE any such instances that I'm neglecting, I'd add "''{Played by Strong Sad}''" to the transcript. For #3, I lean toward calling him "VILLIAN PLAYED BY BUBS" rather than Diamonocle, but I could hear arguments the other way as well. The transcripts should, of course, mention who is playing a particular character at their first appearance in each given toon. I think that should cover everything. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 23:39, 23 December 2017 (UTC)
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::: Something like:
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::: '''Dangeresque (Strong Bad):'''
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::: when he first speaks and afterwards is simply tagged "Dangeresque"? That works for me. [[User:Guybrush20X6|Guybrush20X6]] 23:49, 23 December 2017 (UTC)
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:::: I think that's good. I also agree with giving Bubs's character a generic name in the toon where he's not named. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:54, 23 December 2017 (UTC)
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:::::I'd use stage directions rather than parens for that, actually. Like ''{Cut to Dangeresque (played by Strong Bad) wearing cool shades and holding a nunchuck gun}''. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 23:57, 23 December 2017 (UTC)
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::::::I definitely '''support''' Dangeresque names. I don't think "DANGERESQUE (STRONG BAD)" is necessary, since each character's "actor" in the Cast list. If necessary, though, I think saying it in the stage directions would be fine. And I think Bubs's villain should just be written as Baron Darin Diamonocle, since he's named later on. After all, it says [[Fort Wayne Locomotive]] in [[Ballad of the Sneak Visuals]]. {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig‎}} 07:06, 24 December 2017 (UTC)
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:::::::I'm also in support of giving in-universe names to characters where appropriate.  I think this is especially true in the most recent [[Dangeresque Puppet Squad: The Hot Jones Hijack|Decemberween Dangeresque]] episode where the [[Cheat Commandos]] appear and they are not known to have in-universe counterparts at all. Thus it makes more sense to treat the characters in these toons only as their in-universe counterparts in my opinion.  Of course, when it comes to Danger''skew'' the line between 'universes' is constantly blurred as evidenced by Defender's list above, so care must be taken when that happens.  And so,
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:::::::'''tl;dr:'''
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:::::::# I don't think it's appropriate to identify the H*R character playing the Dangeresque character unless it's absolutely necessary.
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:::::::# But with Bubs and such it's absolutely necessary to identify them, and
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:::::::# I think it's sufficient to identify them in the tag (i.e. '''GENERIC VILLAIN (BUBS):''') and there should be no need to use stage directions for that, unless absolutely necessary. 
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:::::::--[[User:Stux|Stux]] 19:15, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

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[edit] Disambig stuff

You know, we never used to have this whole disambig issue/confusion when the character and the film series were all on one page. Do they really need to be on two pages? -- Tom 15:56, 22 Feb 2005 (MST)

I think that there does need to be some distinction because of the context of the cartoon. Saying "This is a Dangeresque cartoon!" and saying "In this cartoon, Dangeresque jumps off of a building!!!11!" →evin290 16:14, 14 Mar 2005 (MST)
I like them split up, but the disambig notice at the top of the page is a bit cumbersome. - Dr Haggis - Talk 17:10, 19 Mar 2005 (MST)

[edit] Sounds Dangerous starring Drew Carrey

Does anyone have any information on this? The links I found online confirmed its existence but not any of the details. — It's dot com 04:37, 24 Sep 2005 (UTC)

I discovered this when I went to Disney world, it is to similar to be a coincidence. If it is, then that is just creepy. It is a theater attraction starring drew carrey. He is a celebrity undercover cop who has to find a guy called renaldi. Here are the similarities: Renaldo says "sounds dangerous" (name of attraction, and something drew carrey's sidekick says a few times), Renaldi is almost the same word as Renaldo, and both star a celebrity undercover cop. There are probably more similarities but I havent been to Disney World for a while. Sox101 03:23, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Revisiting this concept - the show is no longer active but a full recording can be seen on YouTube, with automatic captions doing a solid job capturing the story. Personally I think any connection is tenuous at best - enough to at least change the article from "Dangeresque is probably based on..." to "Elements of Dangeresque may be inspired by...", if not removing it altogether.

  • The phrase "Sounds Dangerous" is only said once during the attraction, and it's in an introduction directed at the audience rather than during the narrative.
  • Charlie Foster is a geeky, bumbling undercover detective. Dangeresque is cocky and portrayed as cool, and although he is a private eye, a crooked cop, a secret agent, and a celebrity pharmacist he's not an undercover cop.
  • Foster is taking on a smuggler, Dangeresque takes on kidnappings and thefts.
  • SD! is styled like a live, unedited broadcast; Dangeresque is heavily edited.
  • SD! uses a gimmick of being audio-based (the camera feed is 'accidentally' cut off for much of the show), although Dangeresque is humorously low-budget the video is constantly intact.
  • "The Great Renaldi" is a circus performer's stage name, the character is an antagonist; "Renaldo" is an individual connected to law enforcement who does not appear to be using a false name, he works with the protagonist. Their appearances do not seem to have anything in common.

So to my eyes it goes from "too similar to be a coincidence" to "barely connected" - protagonists are both "law enforcement" but have little to no similarity in appearance, name, or characterization and the plot and antagonist are similarly different. -- Bleu Ninja 21:15, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

[edit] Bad. Strong Bad.

I think the "Looks like I'm gonna have to jump!" thing is a reference to the James Bond film series. Strongkinghomsarsmith 02:52, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

How so? — Defender1031*Talk 02:52, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
I think Bond said it a couple of times. I would watch a movie right now to confirm it, but I don't think I have'em on VHS/DVD. Strongkinghomsarsmith 02:56, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
You think. Not notable if one only thinks. MichaelXX2 mail_icon.gif link_icon.gif 02:59, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
Can someone just watch all the Bond movies please?! Strongkinghomsarsmith 03:02, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
I seriously hope that's a joke. — Defender1031*Talk 03:03, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
It's like watching every Star Wars movie to see which one had that funy (yes, I did that on purpose) quote. It would take all day. MichaelXX2 mail_icon.gif link_icon.gif 03:05, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
Isn't the entire Dangeresque film series supposed to be a parody of James Bond? Homestar-Winner (talk) 03:07, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
Nope. Just spy movies in general. — Defender1031*Talk 03:08, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
Well, I have a friend who loves Bond movies and says "Looks like I'm gonna have to jump!" whenever he talks about them. Strongkinghomsarsmith 03:16, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
That's not conclusive proof. — Defender1031*Talk 03:17, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
If someone wants to prove/disprove this debate, do as my third post says. Also, my friend couldn't have gotten that from Homestar, as he's never watched a cartoon. Strongkinghomsarsmith 03:22, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

The burden of proof falls on you, not me. — Defender1031*Talk 03:23, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Or me. MichaelXX2 mail_icon.gif link_icon.gif 03:24, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
I don't have the movies, OK? It's what my friend said, plus I seem to remember hearing it on a Bond film whilst channel-surfing. Strongkinghomsarsmith 03:29, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
This conversations is going nowhere. Please don't post here again without some sort of proof. Thanks. — Defender1031*Talk 03:30, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
Debate's over. My friend did get it from Strong Bad. He did think it was a parody, however. As for my memory of channel-surfing, my memory can only be trusted after a good thirty minutes of thinking. I took a memory test earlier. Strongkinghomsarsmith 01:19, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Template

Should we make a template listing all the Dangeresque movies and characters? BBG 17:37, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Maybe... Strongkinghomsarsmith 02:44, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
I made an example in the sandbox, and I think that a Dangeresque template would be a good idea. ThePizz Pick 16:14, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Redirect "Dangeresque"?

At this rate, "Dangeresque" could really disambiguate a whole lot of stuff. Why don't we just get "Dangeresque" to redirect to Dangeresque (film series), since it is probably intended to be looked up in that way? --70.253.165.204 03:34, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

I see two problems with that already. A) The character is also named Dangeresque. Further, Dangeresque Too (at least in his email debut) is also referred to without the Too frequently enough. 2) The filename for the first Dangeresque Roomisode game is "dangeresque.html". The disambig solves both of these problems, as people might not know specifically what to search for and are offered all these options upon entering "Dangeresque" in the search field. I think it's far more useful as a disambig. --DorianGray 05:51, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Er...what?

Oh hi! I was looking at the disambig page and noticed that the link "puppet toon" links to Puppet Time instead of Puppet Stuff. Is this purposeful or just a goof? If it is, could someone fix it? Thanks! -Pingu5040

[edit] Names in transcripts

I suggested seven years ago that we have this discussion on this page, but it looks like it never got started. If we had the discussion on some other page, please direct me to it. Without further ado, why do the transcripts of the Dangeresque toons refer to the characters as their real names instead of their Dangeresque names? — It's dot com 23:01, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

I don't know. Only thing I can think of is that they keep going off script but I think it makes more sense to do it the other way. Guybrush20X6 23:27, 23 December 2017 (UTC)
I would actually be completely in favor of using the Dangeresque character names. The complications I can think of are:
  1. The times when people are out of character, which happens not infrequently
  2. The times when Strong Sad fills in as stunt double
  3. The fact that Bub's villian character isn't named in stunt double
These, however, are not insurmountable. For #1, I'd suggest that we have a separate line of dialogue tagged as the person themselves and with a note reading "{Out of character}" at the start. For #2, I'm not sure that Strong Sad has any in-character dialogue as a character not usually played by himself, so the solution to #1 might be enough, but if there ARE any such instances that I'm neglecting, I'd add "{Played by Strong Sad}" to the transcript. For #3, I lean toward calling him "VILLIAN PLAYED BY BUBS" rather than Diamonocle, but I could hear arguments the other way as well. The transcripts should, of course, mention who is playing a particular character at their first appearance in each given toon. I think that should cover everything. — Defender1031*Talk 23:39, 23 December 2017 (UTC)
Something like:
Dangeresque (Strong Bad):
when he first speaks and afterwards is simply tagged "Dangeresque"? That works for me. Guybrush20X6 23:49, 23 December 2017 (UTC)
I think that's good. I also agree with giving Bubs's character a generic name in the toon where he's not named. — It's dot com 23:54, 23 December 2017 (UTC)
I'd use stage directions rather than parens for that, actually. Like {Cut to Dangeresque (played by Strong Bad) wearing cool shades and holding a nunchuck gun}. — Defender1031*Talk 23:57, 23 December 2017 (UTC)
I definitely support Dangeresque names. I don't think "DANGERESQUE (STRONG BAD)" is necessary, since each character's "actor" in the Cast list. If necessary, though, I think saying it in the stage directions would be fine. And I think Bubs's villain should just be written as Baron Darin Diamonocle, since he's named later on. After all, it says Fort Wayne Locomotive in Ballad of the Sneak Visuals. e0uZ2kQ.png Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 07:06, 24 December 2017 (UTC)
I'm also in support of giving in-universe names to characters where appropriate. I think this is especially true in the most recent Decemberween Dangeresque episode where the Cheat Commandos appear and they are not known to have in-universe counterparts at all. Thus it makes more sense to treat the characters in these toons only as their in-universe counterparts in my opinion. Of course, when it comes to Dangerskew the line between 'universes' is constantly blurred as evidenced by Defender's list above, so care must be taken when that happens. And so,
tl;dr:
  1. I don't think it's appropriate to identify the H*R character playing the Dangeresque character unless it's absolutely necessary.
  2. But with Bubs and such it's absolutely necessary to identify them, and
  3. I think it's sufficient to identify them in the tag (i.e. GENERIC VILLAIN (BUBS):) and there should be no need to use stage directions for that, unless absolutely necessary.
--Stux 19:15, 24 December 2017 (UTC)
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