Talk:Where's an Egg?
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The first is Sputnik. The second is probably [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vostok_1 Vostok 1], with Yuri Gagarin, the first human in space. The third is [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voskhod_2 Voskhod 2], with Aleksei Leonov, the first human to perform a spacewalk. [[User:CaseyG|CaseyG]] 01:55, 17 July 2007 (UTC) | The first is Sputnik. The second is probably [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vostok_1 Vostok 1], with Yuri Gagarin, the first human in space. The third is [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voskhod_2 Voskhod 2], with Aleksei Leonov, the first human to perform a spacewalk. [[User:CaseyG|CaseyG]] 01:55, 17 July 2007 (UTC) | ||
:Dead on - good work! They definitely appear to be celebrating Russia's "firsts" in space. First man-made satellite, first human in space, and first spacewalk. -{{User:ReverendTed/sig}} 02:17, 17 July 2007 (UTC) | :Dead on - good work! They definitely appear to be celebrating Russia's "firsts" in space. First man-made satellite, first human in space, and first spacewalk. -{{User:ReverendTed/sig}} 02:17, 17 July 2007 (UTC) | ||
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+ | Just to let you know, I let the time run down to 96 before getting bored, and nothing unusual happened when I shot the culprit. So it doesn't seem there are any other endings. Why the heck they think people need as much time as they give is totally and utterly beyond me - the amount of time is ridiculously high and takes forever to run down! - but whatever. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 05:30, 17 July 2007 (UTC) | ||
== Locations, suspects, and items == | == Locations, suspects, and items == |
Revision as of 05:30, 17 July 2007
Character themes
I just noticed something. Every character has their own variation on the theme that plays in that person's presence. Whenever you ask a character about another character, or they answer a question about that character, that character's theme will be played along with the theme of the character you're speaking with. But when only items and places are involved in the question (or the occasional super-bad liar who answers a question with him/herself when it's patently not true), you'll hear only the one character's theme. --Senorial Jay (Convolutions) 16:53, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
- Though sometimes it'll fail to play both themes together... --Senorial Jay (Convolutions) 16:57, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
- Oh, yeah, and when you win, it'll play what sounds like all the themes together. --Senorial Jay (Convolutions) 17:03, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
Multiple endings
I've found that depending on how quickly I finish the games. So far, I've found four:
- Fireworks only — 900 seconds or less left
- Fireworks and a white satellite-looking spaceship — 901-940 seconds left
- Fireworks, a white satellite-looking spaceship, and a yellow/brown spaceship — 941-970 seconds left
- Fireworks, a white satellite-looking spaceship, a yellow/brown spaceship, and a gray/green spaceship with an alien coming out — 971 or more seconds left
I'm unsure whether there are any other endings for amounts of time left much smaller than the above. Trey56 17:12, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
- My guess is that the 3rd one is a space lab and the "alien" that comes out is a cosmonaut performing a space walk.
- I managed to win a few times just by shooting at everyone immediately. My best time is 994 and all I get is the sputnik, the rocket and the space lab.
- Nsayer 18:08, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
Those aren't just any "spaceships", those are definitely meant to refer to the Sputnik satellites.
The first is Sputnik. The second is probably Vostok 1, with Yuri Gagarin, the first human in space. The third is Voskhod 2, with Aleksei Leonov, the first human to perform a spacewalk. CaseyG 01:55, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
- Dead on - good work! They definitely appear to be celebrating Russia's "firsts" in space. First man-made satellite, first human in space, and first spacewalk. -ReverendTed 02:17, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
Just to let you know, I let the time run down to 96 before getting bored, and nothing unusual happened when I shot the culprit. So it doesn't seem there are any other endings. Why the heck they think people need as much time as they give is totally and utterly beyond me - the amount of time is ridiculously high and takes forever to run down! - but whatever. --Senorial Jay (Convolutions) 05:30, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
Locations, suspects, and items
Here are my attempts at identifying the locations, suspects, and items. I'm not sure of all of them, especially the ones with question marks. Trey56 18:36, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
Locations
- Aquarium
- Forest
- Museum (?)
- Siberia (thanks, 70.116.132.84)
- City
- Desert
- Beach
- Movie theater
- Pier
Suspects
- Butler
- Blue hat man
- Maid
- Blonde woman
- John McEnroe (I think — recall that Homestar previously dressed up as him)
- Mechanic
- Old Woman
- Kid Speedy
- Red hat man
Items
I think once the locations, items, suspects are re-ordered, we can pull the stub tag off the article. Lots of great info and we have the basics now. wbwolf (t | ed) 22:19, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
Item Talk
I have noticed, if people talk about an item when you question them about the egg, talk about the item. They will then tell you a person, and a place. If the person is at that place with the item, they usually have the egg. If they ARN'T at that spot, the one who gave you the info usually has the egg. Anyone have this not happen? (Notice I said USUALLY)--Bobmuffins 18:35, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
This is true, because all characters either always lie or always tell the truth 68.54.84.110 19:40, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
Painfully dumb question...
How do you play the game if you don't speak or read Russian?
- Actual game play requires no knowledge of Russian, since it done completely with pictures. The Russian writing is meaningless or poorly done, anyway. wbwolf (t | ed) 19:21, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
- Hey; erm, I have no real idea about wiki ettiquete but I just wanted to say that the Russian is all more or less correct and certainly not meaningless. Here goes: The title, 'gde yaitso' indeed means 'where is the/an egg?' (although the dash in the middle is not needed) - the reference to 'gde yaichko' that is made on the corresponding wiki article on this topic is wrong; 'yaichko' is a diminuitive form roughly equivalent to 'eggy'. 'Gde yaitso' i.e. as written in the game is the best translatoin for 'Where's an Egg?'. On the loading screen, 'televizionniy elektricheskiy' - 'televisual electrical' is fairly senseless but apart from that, the rest of the russian is correct. When you shoot the egg-haver, 'vinovnik' (criminal) appears, and then 'pozdravlenie' (congratulations). If you get it wrong, 'vinovnik' again appears, followed by 'gulag' (russians tend to use the simpler word 'lager but gulag is a russian acronym) and then 'igra zakonchenniy' - the only real example of incorrect grammar. It means 'game over' but should be 'igra zakonchennaya' to account for the feminine gender of 'igra'. Hardly 'meaningless or poorly done'. I was pretty surprised with the quality of the russian, to be honest
The Russian text is only used for the title screen and the "congraturatory" address. "Dialogue" in the game itself is handled through pictograms ("Blue Rabbit's Climate Chaos" comes to mind, although this is much more simplistic). Basically, you go around "investigating" each area, confirming which characters are where and which items they're holding, and questioning the characters about other characters and items; if you find someone who's lying, odds are he/she is the culprit, and you do what any good renegade Russian detective would: you shoot them! ^_^--Tenka Muteki 19:22, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
- Actually, I find that about half the suspects lie, whether they have the egg or not. But really, since everyone either always lies or always tells the truth, all you have to do is find someone who gives you a clue about the egg and says even one other true thing. (Don't bother asking anyone, truthteller or liar, about him/herself or his/her own item, though.) --Senorial Jay (Convolutions) 20:20, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
Too many colors
When you hover over a button, it gradients from gray to yellow (and back again when you remove) Thats waaaaay too many shades of yellow for a game like this. Maybe put this in remarks or goofs. I have bad edit etiquette :P
Screen shot
Since the game is out for reals and looks different from the preview shot that was originally up, shouldn't we use a screen shot of actual game play? Do we include both images on the page? wbwolf (t | ed) 20:47, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
- I went ahead and replaced the old image with the new one, since that's what we did with Kid Speedy. — Has Matt? (talk) 21:02, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
Maid
Which person is supposed to be the maid? Process of elimination of all the other characters left a person who appears to be a butcher.--Another Freakin' Guy Named Daniel 21:26, 16 July 2007 (UTC) Also, which one is supposed to be the movie theater? Process of elimination left what resembles the Lincoln Memorial.
Ending Screen
That's not a police station, it's Lenin's Mausoleum (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenin%27s_Mausoleum)
- Apparently we don't know too much 'bout Russia. Thanks for pointing that out! — Has Matt? (talk) 21:47, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
Also the word vinovnik (виновник) would be better translated as "guilty person". Criminal is prestupnik (преступник) in Russian.
We would probably use "culprit" in English.--Tenka Muteki 23:35, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
Suspect and location images
While the suspect and location images were originally icons, they have now been overwritten with full-sized images. Personally, I prefer the icons for three reasons:
- The full body characters are much taller than the rest of the images, which makes the table look a little lopsided.
The icon images are pixel-for-pixel, whereas there are some cropping issues with the full-sized images (compare the butcher icon with the full-body butcher)(fixed)- We don't need to illustrate every component of the game completely, just give an icon for identification purposes.
Does anyone agree, or are we happy with the staus quo? Trey56 22:30, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
- I think the table is fine as is, especially with the ability to expand the locations to a larger size. Perhaps making the size of the icons closer to the same size (using the item icons as a guide)? wbwolf (t | ed) 22:36, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
Names of People, Places and iTems
Using a decompiler, the names are Jessifer, Pall, Brodermaker, Mancuso, Damella, Deark, Gubby, Les and Joeff. The places are called Seward Lane, Hollway, A Room, Gym, Bank, Gumption Road, Upstairs, Nearby and Under. The items are called Bottle, Ball, Butterfly, Dog, Gym Bag, Fanny Pack, Frying Pan, Candlestick and Laptop. Not sure which is which. I might have another look later on when I'm home from school. Loafing 22:42, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
- That's crazy :P Especially since some of those names bear little resemblance to the items...
Trey56 22:55, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
- I'm more surprised they put all the names there. By the way, nice work on the looking old reference. --TotalSpaceshipGirl3 23:57, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
I have a Flash decompiler and I'm not finding these names anywhere in the image files. Where are YOU finding them? --Senorial Jay (Convolutions) 02:13, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
- Never mind; I found them, but I see no indication of which is which, unless they define them in numerical order as the images appear (and who could tell - there aren't any bottles or balls to be seen anyway!) --Senorial Jay (Convolutions) 02:19, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
The Manual
The manual page is really funny in the way, that its English translation is more correct then the original Russian text :)
- The word at the top of the page "Узнать" (Uznat') is correct, it really does mean "Find out";
- The line "Кто лежит?" (Kto lezhit?) is a mistake and actually means here "Who is lying on the ground?" rather then "Who is telling lies/lying?". This is because in English the verb "to lie" can mean both of those things, but in Russian it's "лежать" (lezhat') for "lying on the ground" and "лгать" (lgat') for "telling the lies/lying". So the line should be "Кто лжет?" (Kto lzhet?);
- The line "Кто говорит правду?" (Kto govorit pravdu?) is correct, it does mean "Who tells the truth?";
- The line "Кто имеет яйцо?" (Kto imeet yaico?) is a bit incorrect and means "Who owns an egg?". "У кого яйцо?" (U kogo yaico?) could be translated as "Who has the egg?"
Another note: The Arbat ST. (location of the seller) is a well-known street in Moscow (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbat_Street).
- This would be excellent information for the Some Type of Online Auction page, where the Arbat Street reference is already noted. wbwolf (t | ed) 00:33, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
Musie Theater?
I'm quite confident that the image given the label "Theater" is actually the museum. It looks just like an art museum display and... not at all like a movie theater. The other one's kind of ambiguous as to WHAT it is, but I'm quite sure on the "Theater". --Senorial Jay (Convolutions) 00:40, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
- The other one looks like some kinda government building. Maybe if someone could translate the Russian on the building, it would shed some light on this? — Has Matt? (talk) 00:47, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
- For now, I swapped the Theater one (pictures with a velvet rope) in the correct place. (Compare with the theater in the movies) I did notice that the one current marked "Museum" has some Russian writing on it. If someone would translate that, in addition to finding out what how the image is marked internally, for now it's probably better to leave the images where they are. wbwolf (t | ed) 00:51, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
- You... you swapped it from my swap. The one with the ropes looks more like an art museum. Why would the ropes be so close to the pictures otherwise? --Senorial Jay (Convolutions) 01:15, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
- I have seen plenty of movie theaters that have velvet ropes along the walls; they are used when they have people line up before the start of movie for a major opening. The other picture is clearly not a movie theater, so we need to wait until we have further info. wbwolf (t | ed) 01:20, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
- But who was it that called it a "movie theater" in the first place? US! There is no "further info" besides maybe someone with a flash compiler or a translation of the pillar building. --Senorial Jay (Convolutions) 02:05, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
- Know what? Forget it. I don't want an edit war. I'm compromising with simple descriptions no one can dispute. --Senorial Jay (Convolutions) 02:35, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
- I have seen plenty of movie theaters that have velvet ropes along the walls; they are used when they have people line up before the start of movie for a major opening. The other picture is clearly not a movie theater, so we need to wait until we have further info. wbwolf (t | ed) 01:20, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
- You... you swapped it from my swap. The one with the ropes looks more like an art museum. Why would the ropes be so close to the pictures otherwise? --Senorial Jay (Convolutions) 01:15, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
It looks from above that one of these (probably the one with the pillars) is a bank, but who knows with the weirdness of the rest of the names. Trey56 00:58, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
- If the one current marked as Museum is indeed a bank, I would have no problem making the other a museum. Right now, it's unclear. wbwolf (t | ed) 01:29, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
- Ok, so can we call the one with the velvet ropes a "Museum" now? -ReverendTed 03:50, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
- I think that sounds reasonable. At first, I thought it was a movie theater, but the more I look at it, the more those look like pieces of art. Especially the one on the left.
Trey56 03:57, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
- And y'know - who named that last one a "pier"? Looks more like a bridge to me. -ReverendTed 04:15, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
- I think that sounds reasonable. At first, I thought it was a movie theater, but the more I look at it, the more those look like pieces of art. Especially the one on the left.
- Ok, so can we call the one with the velvet ropes a "Museum" now? -ReverendTed 03:50, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
The gray one with what looks like "bEPER" on it is a bank. "берег" is Russian for "bank" according to some online English-Russian dictionary I just Googled. I submit that the one with the velvet ropes is an art musuem. -ReverendTed 02:44, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
Glitch or not?
Someone on the forums mentioned a glitch where, if you click on the top left corner a lot of times as the game starts, you can win with a timer score of 000. This is only if the person in the aquarium has the egg. I tried it and it worked, but I'm not sure if it's really a glitch or not. Thoughts? —Shwoo 03:55, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
- Additionally, each time I've done it (by clicking the area of the screen where the Aquarium icon and gun icon overlap) the timer freezes at 000, but at the "Win" screen the timer reads 999 and all three spacecraft appear. -ReverendTed 04:23, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
Jack Orlando
Can anyone confirm the "Jack Orlando" Real-World Reference? The screenshots I've seen of that game look absolutely nothing like this one. -ReverendTed 03:59, 17 July 2007 (UTC)