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Video Game Endings

That video game theme sounds very familiar... Moreso even than the Drive-Thru Whale theme... Where from? What do the expoits say? --DorianGray 10:49, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

I think it's from Population: Tire. --Jay (Talk) 10:50, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

GAH! Yes! That's it. Thanks. Now it's obvious. --DorianGray 18:29, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Lil Stong Buh Shirt

he's wearing a devil duckie t-shirt. We should have a page of all his t-shirts. Also, When the paper burns up, the ash says "bye now".

There is. — Elcool ^(talk)_(contribs) 11:24, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Inkjet Printers

The printer's new ink cartridge isn't working properly yet. As evidenced by the discolouration on the @ key and the horizontal lines throughout the printout. I'm not sure if it should be remarked or not. Stribbs 12:52, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Looking at the a change to the transcript saying there are white lines on the paper. They have colour in them as you'd notice by zooming in. I don't know how to revise to an earlier version of the page and I don't know to word the transcript to reflect the detail. If anyone would oblige Stribbs 14:10, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

the paper as a character

In this email at the very least the paper should probably be on the cast list. - Quolnok 13:16, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

I agree Booksworm 14:14, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Using that logic, then the paper should be considered a character in every single Strong Bad Email, including other things like sick day.

Zerlock 1124

Sick day perhaps, but I'd only think when the paper is more than just a piece of paper. Like how SB's old computers are characters in retirement. - Quolnok 13:00, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Cheesesteaks and Tastykakes

Look, Darius, if you want me to eat a Philly cheesesteak
instead of answering an email this week, you got it. No
skin off my back. I'll eat a couple-a Tastykakes while I'm
at it, too. Now, if you'll excuse me, I gotta skee-dat.

Could this be TBC's explanation for not updating last week? ;) — Has Matt? (talk) 13:57, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Some parts of that sound like they came from the mouth of Homestar. Could that be the real reason Homestar is tangled up like that (via The Paper)? Neox

Count to G

Could the score "G" be a reference to The Ugly One's "I can count to G!" statement in Teeny Tiny Girl Squad? Pretty obscure I admit...--Slackerboy 15:12, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

G is a running gag of it's own and already in the article's fun facts. — Elcool ^(talk)_(contribs) 16:37, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Yup. It's where I got my name. --CoachG 17:05, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Strong bad is... old?

STRONG BAD: Why do all my thirty-year-old electronics keep breaking on me?!

At time of The Paper's birth, SB was like 2-7 years old or something. Well, unless he meant the technology 30 years ago. Murkrow 15:16, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Strong Bad's parents might have bought an old or second hand printer rather than a new one.

Remember, too, that there's other instances where we see Strong Bad represented as someone in his likely 30's. secret identity, for one. - Qermaq - (^T/C)

21:51, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Then again, he could have bought it at a garbage sale for like 15 dollars, along with the Tandy. – T he C hort 15:02, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

I agree that the printer may already have been old before the Strongs got ahold of it. ReverendTed 15:04, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

I don't think you can apply the measures of "human age" to any kind of cartoon character. The same way you could wonder about the age of Mickey Mouse or Huey Dewey and Louie...--80.135.101.16 15:30, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Doesn't stop us from trying :P — Defender1031*Talk 15:31, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Go on, didn't want to spoin the fun here :) --80.135.101.16 15:41, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Lightness...darkness... whaaa?

Did anyone else notice that a few hours ago, the Homestar easter egg was bright (i.e., it looked like a light was on in the room there), but now it's dark? CoveredinSuudzu 15:48, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

As the one who transcribed the toon shortly after it came out, I can't say I did. That said, the scene WAS bright in the actual scene in the email; just not the Easter egg. --Jay (Talk) 16:16, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

No it's always been dark. I saw it at 6 AM, Eastern time, shortly after it came out, and I remember thinking how bright Lappy was in the dark. Dr. Clash 18:33, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Sonic the Hedgehog 3 reference

When the island Strong Bad is standing on is sinking and he says something about killing end bosses, I think it's a reference to STH3 when, after defeating the final boss of the game, Angel Island falls from the sky and lands in the sea. There's also another game, Sonic & Knuckles, where I think the island actually floats into the sky again, again after defeating the final boss. Jimmy91 15:59, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

It could just as easily be a reference to the video game "Sinking Island". — Lapper (talk) 16:13, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

I always thought it looked a lot like the ending to Bionic Commando, where the Captain is flyiing away from the exploding base attatched to a helicopter. --ΞTHAT KID SAMΞ 16:28, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Reminds me of "The Island of Dr. Destructo" for the C64, where you bomb various things until plumes of water shoot up and they sink. While it starts off with boats and subs, it soon progresses to islands, an inland castle, and space stations. Yep, a big plume of water shooting out of a sinking space station. --The Archon

What is a "load bearing boss?" Wikipedia doesn't explain. Bombcar 16:35, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

It appears that the article on load bearing bosses was "merged" into Boss (video games), although the info cannot be found there either, so I'm guessing it was removed entirely. I removed the Wikipedia link and explained what a load bearing boss is in Explanations. — Has Matt? (talk) 16:42, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

The wikipedia article on load bearing bosses has been reinstated, so I have put the link back in. There seems to be some debate on Wikipedia at the moment about whether it should have its own article or not, but it has been acknowledged that when the article was removed the information was not properly incorporated into the article on boss characters. I therefore have left the explanation of what a load bearing boss is on the hrwiki article, so that when/if something changes on wikipedia readers will still have an explaination. Schaedenfreud82 10:43, 12 June 2007

I thought it was a reference to Street Fighter, where Ryu ends up in the middle of the ocean after beating Akuma (Note Strong Bad's white Bandana). tehpie 20:19, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

It can't be a Sonic 3 (& Knuckles) reference, Angel Island is being held up by the master emerald, Robotnik stole that and the island fell into the ocean. At the end of the game your chosen character gets the emerald back (Off Robotnik as Sonic/Tails, Off Super Mecha-Sonic as Knuckles) and the island rises back into the sky as the credits are rolling. - Stribbs 00:31, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

I think it's a reference to the secret best ending of Donkey Kong Country 2 in which the island does sink amid a sunset, and the regular ending in which K. Rool falls into the water which is full of sharks. I added it to the page, but it was almost instantly removed. Although I'm very convinced this is the reference, there so much potential references is seems impossible to make any kind of argument in favor of one game without invoking accusations of TTATOT. 16BitJorge 00:55, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

I could be wrong, but I think it's a reference to Contra. The music was deliciously 8-bit. The game ends with you leaving in a helicopter as the island explodes/sinks into the ocean. Of course, I could be wrong.StrongRad 03:10, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

And of course, the number of possibilities displayed on this talk page makes TTATOT evident. --24.222.241.186 11:03, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Freschka

Am I hearing it right? Homestar seems to mispronounce "Fresca" as either "fresha" or "freschka." --BigScaryMike _{(Talk/Contrib)} 16:32, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Yeah...I think he does. --Abelhawk 00:01, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Now that you mention it, does anyone hear him pronounce "Sierra Mist" as "Sarah Mist"?--NoMayonnaise

20:00, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Trivia: first appearance of printer?

Should the fact that this is the first time the printer has been shown be added as trivia?

Ah, but it's not. Twice over. - Joshua 17:41, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

BASEketball

Hate to bring up the movie, but Homestar using a football on a basketball court is very reminiscent of BASEketball. csours 22:24, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Footketball? - Stribbs

It's kind of like what's going on in The Athletic Field, but backwards. Instead of having a football field with basketballs, they have a basketball field with a football. And anyways, BASEketball is played on modified baseball field but with basketballs. — Elcool ^(talk)_(contribs) 19:13, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Think of it this way. Have any of the HR characters EVER played an actual sport? -Chupaqueso 02:39, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Homestart participated in baseball way back in Where My Hat Is At?... And does professional wrestling count? --DorianGray 04:31, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

No, it doesn't. — Defender1031*Talk 16:57, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Nightlight

Some anonny changed the word "night" in Strong Bad's song to "light". I can't listen to it right now to check, but is there any reason to think it'd be "light"? "Night" has a precedence. --Jay (Talk) 20:54, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

it is night

csours

22:22, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Obviously there's some disagreement here. I've seen more than one user use "light". Perhaps we should all re-listen rather than edit the page willy-nilly without consensus. - Qermaq - (^T/C)

22:26, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Like I said, I can't listen right now. I only changed the Fun Fact back to "night" after someone else changed the transcript. --Jay (Talk) 22:31, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

I was merely attempting to prevent future willying and nillying, which often occurs in cases like these. - Qermaq - (^T/C)

22:36, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

I definitely hear "night". Loafing

22:37, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

I re-listened, and I definitely hear "night" as well, FWIW. --BigScaryMike _{(Talk/Contrib)} 07:42, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Listened to it carefully. Came to the conclusion that he says night. — גשמלדרברגן (Geshmalder) 16:09, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Night also fits the Trogdor song reference perfectly. — Elcool ^(talk)_(contribs) 19:15, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

.4?

Is Homsar's number as ".4" a reference to Strong Sad's lament, when he acknowledges that about his hit counter? --Abelhawk 23:56, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Numbers like that are a running gag in the tv industry for usless characters.Usually it's 0 or 1/2,though.

Very possible...I can't recall what fraction of a person they said Homsar was, though. If it was .4, then it's definately a reference. Also, person above me, please sign your posts... -Chupaqueso 02:41, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

"I bet Homsar is the .2 of a person." in Strong Sad's Lament... I'd say it's just a repeated joke, not a reference. --phlip ^T_C 02:56, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

As I was reading...

I was reading the Fun Facts and I couldn't find anything about the reference to the "One two" toon. Has anyone put it in there yet? Bass ium! m OCE

Yes. — גשמלדרברגן (Geshmalder) 16:10, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

It was me who put it! – T he C hort 16:11, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

As it's noted in the Easter Eggs section, it was removed. And re-added. And re-removed. And re-re-added. And so forth. And now STUFFed. --Jay (Talk) 16:12, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Anyone else hear "Wu-Tang"?

In the impressin' easter egg, it sounded like Coach Z was saying "Wu! Tang!", which would make sense since Z thinks they're the BAERMB and all. Anyone else hear it, or am I down with second to last place? [Nebulon] 01:35, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

I listened closely, and I can hear a "da" sound, rather then a "ta". --TotalSpace shipGirl 3 11:16, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Striped Pants/Friend

I would like to suggest that SB referring to the paper as his "striped friend" is a reference to Homestar's "striped pants" in the email highschool, especially considering the pronunciation of "striped" (I'm not really sure the best way to indicate such pronunciation textually, however).

We've already got -èd. It can't hut to mention it on the page. Italics in the transcript, anyone? Dr. Clash 02:25, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Uruk?

"The word "garglemesh" is a pun on the name of Gilgamesh, an ancient king of Uruk." I don't see the relevance of this fact to the email. Can anyone expand on how the ancient king of Uruk is in any way relevant to a word Strong Bad made up? Zerlock 1124

Yeah, you know, I know all aboot Gilgamesh, and I still really don't think it was meant to be a reference. Just some word Strong Bad made up. Hagurumon 15:58, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

It sounds too close to Gilgamesh to be a coincidence. — גשמלדרברגן (Geshmalder) 16:12, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

I understand if Strong Bad only used "mesh" to describe his objections to the sound. The fact that he added the "gargle-" prefix, which adds nothing to the word, makes me conclude that he intended to include a joke, and not just a random part. — Elcool ^(talk)_(contribs) 19:26, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

I took it as a corruption of "garbled mess". --DorianGray 19:31, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

I think it's definitely a play on Gilgamesh, but the Uruk part really isn't relevant to the email itself. — ^Sam

_Fisher _{(Come in, Lambert.)} 15:45, 12 June 2007

I agree that it's a corruption of "garbled mess", and even if it was a reference, it could also be a reference to the Gilgamesh Epic, or even Gilgamesh from the Final Fantasy games. Hagurumon 21:06, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

(I believe that Gilgamesh, king of Uruk, is the main character of the Gilgamesh Epic) Pensivepoet.babblingbard 22:26, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Dribble, Dribble, Shoot!

The following is reconstructed from a STUFF page. Brackets indicate where intent was inferred rather than stated.

The rhythmic Easter Egg is a reference to One Two, One Two, which was released immediately before this email.

[This is] already noted right above the Easter egg. Once and Only Once applies. [It should therefore not be noted in inside references.] Jay (Talk) 16:05, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

[It should be noted in inside references.] Homestar-Winner (talk) 16:05, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

According to Wiki standards, this has to be mentioned in the Inside References section of the article. Perhaps it would be better if the link above the Easter egg was removed and this was added [in inside references] instead. – T he C hort 16:13, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Once and only once is fine with me. גשמלדרברגן (Geshmalder) 16:13, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

[The Chort]: Could you direct me to where in the Standards it says that? Because, as far as I can tell, it doesn't. Jay (Talk) 16:15, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

What I meant was that it would be better if it was mentioned in the Inside References section because that's where all the inside references are meant to be placed. – T he C hort 16:18, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

[It should be noted in inside references.] — Has Matt? (talk) 16:19, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

[It should be noted in inside references.] — Lapper (talk) 16:31, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Once and Only Once is the most misunderstood concept on the wiki. It does not mean "link once" (a separate idea stated elsewhere), but rather "don't duplicate work unnecessarily". A good example is the Teen Girl Squad Issue 1 page, which uses a template for its transcript to avoid duplicating the work done for comic. The real question is, is having more than one link actually redundant in this case, or does it help the reader? — It's dot com 16:38, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

I agree with The Chort. It's an inside reference, so it should be noted in inside references. ^Sam

_Fisher _{(Come in, Lambert.)} 17:02, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Been having trouble defending myself (like anyone ever agrees with me 9_9) thanks to Wiki hiccups (Wikkups?) Anyway, first of all, I'm not sure moving this off STUFF was a good idea. Secondly, we have a longstanding tradition of not putting things in Fun Facts that are already mentioned in some other fashion — generally through the transcript, such as Strong Sad's face appearing in Teen Girl Squad Issue 8, or the emails in do over. This isn't LITERALLY in the transcript, but it's pretty close. How is this different? --Jay (Talk) 18:49, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

First of all, why would STUFF be better? This discussion isn't about whether to note something, but where and how to note it. In addition, there are more than two choices: we could note it in the Easter egg section, the inside references section, or both. Finally, the result of this thread could have implications for other toons, so a talk page would be a better place to hold such a discussion, as it allows for greater nuance.

I was under the impression that we linked in the transcript when we just couldn't find a place to link somewhere else. That is, transcript links are for things that aren't really referenced so much as they just make an appearance in the toon. Take the BMW lighter, for example. If it shows up in a toon, it should be linked in the transcript so that someone unfamiliar with it can look it up, but its mere presence doesn't constitute a reference per se. On the other hand, the Easter egg in this toon is definitely making reference to One Two, One Two. It is, by definition, an inside reference, and so it seems logical to me that it should go in the inside references section. If we want to also hang a link in the Easter eggs section for clarity, then I have no problem with that either. — It's dot com 20:03, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

I suppose some of what you say makes sense, but a significant problem with Talk pages: visibility. Too many topics go unnoticed on Talk pages around here. If this IS an important issue, you're cutting into visibility putting it here. Heck, since it's been moved here, only one person who wasn't already in the discussion has joined in. We've had important issues indirectly on STUFF pages through related Fun Facts before. Now then, as for your points regarding appearances, I see what you're getting at, but this looks to be something of a gray issue to me. Again I bring up do over. The the emails being referred to, or are they simply appearing? (Of course, this issue is probably less gray than that, but still...) Furthermore, I apologize if I've seemed harsh, but between real-world stress and decisions that appear to be made with no consensus or discussion (sometimes, the decision to which I refer is NOT to let there be a consensus or discussion on something else) and little to no explanation, I'm getting angry over little things, like removal of this discussion from STUFF, pretty easily right now. Perhaps I need a Wikibreak. --Jay (Talk) 21:21, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Jay, this discussion isn't a half day old, of course more users have not joined in. I just got home an hour ago myself. Anyway, as this is a reference, I agree with those who say to link it from the fun facts. - Qermaq - (^T/C)

22:13, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Shiny blackness?

"And who knows how many times you saved my shiny black keister?"

Is it just me, or does this imply that Strong Bad is not wearing pants, and that his skin color is actually black (at least for his lower body)? Hagurumon 17:16, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

It would seem to suggest that. However, he has been seen without pants before. So no, the trousers aren't part of his skin. His boxing gloves and mask, on the other hand... – T he C hort 18:53, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm pretty sure they're just his pants. Do you really think he would ever reveal the true color and level of shine of his actual keister? --Chupaqueso 02:45, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Out of Nowhere

I've been thinking about where the printer is exactly. I mean, when we zoom out and can see the entire Computer Room, there's no printer in sight. Also, relating to this email, it falls out of nowhere. I don't exactly know... TheCoolBot 19:40, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

I don't think anyone knows. How does Strong Bad type without boxing gloves? How does Homestar pick stuff up if he doesn't wear any Marzi-pants? How does The Paper appear when no one can see where the printer is - even outside of Strong Bad's computer room? Just one of the many mysteries of ~~life~~ Homestarrunner.com. --Jay (Talk) 19:45, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

I agree - as Homestar mentions in this toon, Papes is able to transcend time and space (along with Homsar), which might explain a few things about other aspects of the H*R universe.--NoMayonnaise

19:58, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

On that matter, can I buy some of the screws Bubs fixed the inkjet printer with? :) --80.135.101.16 15:38, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Didn't the printer fall out of Hammerspace? — Elcool ^(talk)_(contribs) 16:42, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Too Many Links

There are a bit too many links in the transcript, don't you think? I understand ones like the Compy 386, as that really has no where else to go, but BMW Lighter? ASCII art? These could go in remarks and inside references with the rest of the notes. - Joshua 03:11, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Dribbling a football

This is kind of a minor thing, but I wanted to suggest it here instead of just adding it, because every time I add something to a page on this site it gets deleted immediately as if to spite me. I want to add to the Remarks section the observation

"Homestar is able to dribble a football as though it is a basketball, which is nearly impossible in reality due to its irregular shape and the comparatively lower pressure to which it is inflated."

It appears that the kinds of things that go in Remarks section are generally observations about continuity flaws and slight breaks from the way things work in reality, so I would say that this fits. Would anyone support my adding of this point? I contend that it's true; I've actually tried to dribble a football before and it usually just bounces off in some other direction, and not very far. 74.136.199.185 03:29, 13 June 2007 (UTC) Chris

Ogdenite

I think that "ogdenite" sounds a whole lot like "troglodyte", and is used in exactly the same tone. Or is that a stretch?

-willoughby

That did occur to me, but unless we see a Jhonka/Kerrek-esque Ogdenite, I don't think we should mention it in the article. --Jay (Talk) 08:32, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

I'm fairly sure that it was a refeance to Troglodyte, but I'm not sure if it should be added to fun facts or not. SELF-EDIT! Whoops. Forgot my signature. So the time'll be wrong. But anyway--CoachG 17:03, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

It's just referring to how people (mostly in the Bible) are referred to as [nationality]ites. Hagurumon 17:55, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Umm, what? — Defender1031*Talk 17:56, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

You know, like Canaanites (people from Canaan), Sodomites (people from Sodom), etc. And the sender of the email is from Ogden, so Strong Bad calls him an Ogdenite. Hagurumon 17:59, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Malfunction?

Strong Bad's rhetorical question, "Why do all my thirty-year-old electronics keep breaking on me?!" is a reference to the Tandy 400's sponteaneous explosion in gimmicks, its malfunction in sisters, and the Compy 386 succombing to The Virus in virus

I removed this fun fact twice. While it's true, it's long-winded, obvious, and seems to explain the joke. Yet this *is* *kind of* another instance of his computer malfunctioning, although that page only seems to cover direct *computer* malfunctions, not computer-*related* things, like the printer. Where, exactly does this info belong? -YK 07:48, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Maybe a page for the deaths of the many old electronics of Strong Bad?--CoachG 15:17, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

No, we don't need another page. A printer is part of a computer (sort of). Just add it as another section of the malfunctioning computers page. — It's dot com 15:48, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Never ending Inside references

Should it be mentioned that Homestar sung another song to the tune of Never ending story previously? In anything he sung "Never ending soooooda...aaaAA, aaaAA, aaaAA"

It is mentioned. See inside references. — Defender1031*Talk 16:29, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Mountain Dew is mentioned, but I meant that Homestar was signing another unorthodox song to the same tune, which I don't see mentioned here

the paper#Real-World References second fact. — Defender1031*Talk 16:37, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

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+:::::You know, like Canaanites (people from Canaan), Sodomites (people from Sodom), etc. And the sender of the email is from Ogden, so Strong Bad calls him an Ogdenite. [[User:Hagurumon|Hagurumon]] 17:59, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
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