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Protection

I think that this page should be protected. The barrage of trolls has been pretendous. Nobody wants to open the sbemails page and see a bunch of gibberish and swears. Your thoughts?

Protecting the Main Page was one thing; it's a page that, by its very nature, shouldn't change very often or contain any particular insight into the H*R site. This page, though, changes every week (if TBC are feeling industrious) and allows for Fun Facts. I think that if we locked down this page, it would discourage new editors and be antithetical to the concept of a Wiki. -- FortyTwo 22:14, 30 Jan 2005 (MST)
Maybe a semi-protection. Only members can edit. Very few logged in people troll pages, as they're easier to bust. This would cut down on trolling without killing the point of a wiki. -- nintendorulez 09:34, 14 Mar 2005 (MST)
Has this page been trolled? Pop tire 21:51, 24 Mar 2005 (MST)
nintendorulez- this is impossible. Only full protection or none.
Pop tire- yes. Check the history. →[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]

Opening the Menu

Did anyone else notice that Strong Bad no longer types "dir/p" to load the e-mails menu? (He types "strongbad_email.exe" now.) I'm wondering where to put it (if it belongs at all).—StrongstarRunbad 21:08, 10 Dec 2004 (MST)

Eh, it probably doesn't belong. Besides, he changed from "list_files" on the Tandy to "dir/p," and that wasn't noted. Dropping the idea.—StrongstarRunbad 21:13, 13 Dec 2004 (MST)

a> Prompt Location

In some of the e-mails, the a> prompt appears just below the e-mail when it loads. In others, it appears on the bottom of the screen. Should that be noted somewhere for each of the emails? Or is it just an insignifigant technicality, like the number of times SB moves his head back and forth in the e-mail? Wait-maybe we should put that in too... I would be glad to work on this if people think its worthwhile. -pianoplayerontheroof

Hmm... I'm curious. I'm sure if you were going to go through every email you could come up with a whole page for the prompt. And there's also the prompt in the main Strong Bad Email menu too. Go for it. -- Tom 09:08, 3 Jan 2005 (MST)
Oooh, and you could include the stuff they are talking about in Talk:Strong Bad Email#Opening the Menu. -- Tom 09:10, 3 Jan 2005 (MST)
but-looking back- does this info really have a purpose? I mean, it kinda makes sense to have all the page titles, but the position of the prompt and what SB types, all on different pages? maybe some kind of chart with them all on it... I don't know how to make charts in de Wiki. guess I could try to figure it out. --Pianoplayerontheroof
Purpose? Well, we are the place to learn everything there is to know about Homestar Runner. And don't worry about any kind of table format or anything, someone else could do that. -- Tom 09:43, 4 Jan 2005 (MST)

No Fun Facts any longer

I noticed that User:Kemek changed all fun facts to "Trivia", as well as made some other sections. I rather have a full fun facts section back. Anyone? →[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]

I didn't intend to eliminate the Fun Facts section. Rather, the plan is to separate them into categories to prevent the kind of confusion that ensues each time a new Strong Bad Email is released. There's been discussion on several pages as to what to do and this seemed like the consensus. If I'm mistaken please accept my apologies; I only want to do what's best for the Wiki. Kamek 19:02, 11 Jan 2005 (MST)
Personally I'm fond of Jay and Kamek's ideas, but there's plenty of room for differing opinions, so please take your comments to the page(s) Kamek mentioned. — InterruptorJones[[]] 19:05, 11 Jan 2005 (MST)
And now he's changed them all back?! Did someone not like the new format or something? --Jay 19:08, 16 Jan 2005 (MST)
Okay, look. I agree with Jay and Kamek also. If we break down the fun facts section it makes life way easier to pick out the facts that YOU are looking for. Am I the only one who feels this way?? --Klaymation

Superbowl Dealie

I put a message similar to this on the page for Superbowl Dealie, but since it's recieved no response yet, I may as well ask here.

Basically, I feel Superbowl Dealie deserves to be on the list of Not Quite Strong Bad Emails (since it mentions outright at the end of that toon that the SBemail was going to be late that week), but I don't know when it was put up chronologically speaking. Does anyone have any ideas? --TheNintenGenius 22:51, 19 Jan 2005 (MST)

That's ironic that your discoveries of the Not Quite Strong Bad Emails coincidedished with my quest to make complete updates lists for

'03 and '02. So there's your spot in the sequence of e-mails. 59-60. Hope that helped. [[User:Thunderbird L17|⇔Thunderbird⇔]] 23:54, 28 Feb 2005 (MST)

It's not a "Strong Bad Email," It's more like a notice. -Poofy

Poofy, it's not supposed to be a strong bad email. It's a list of "Not Quite Strong Bad Emails". - Jhonka

Confirmation by TBC

I just noticed the (Note: It has been confirmed by the Chapman Brothers that Coach Z says "crack") following the Coach Z rap. I've removed the note, as we don't like to have things like that in articles. However, is this true? Did The Brothers Chaps actually confirm this? And if so, how? -- Tom 12:13, 28 Jan 2005 (MST)

Huzzah?

I don't know about any of you other guys, but I didn't hear Strong Bad say "huzzah"... it sounded more like "hey hah". Am I the only one who heard this? -Cirrial

I clearly hear "huzzah" both at the beginning and end of the rap. Due to his accent and the sound quality, though, it may not be clear, but the Zs (almost Ss, especially the first) are audible. But I know some third party is going to come in and contradict me as someone always does when I make assertions like these. 9_9 --Jay 01:35, 9 Feb 2005 (MST)
Never mind, I hear it now. ^^ -Cirrial

Yeah, I hear "Hey Hah", too. Maybe we should change it.

Did I calls it or did I calls it? --Jay 12:12, 24 Feb 2005 (MST)

I clearly hear "hazzah," there are z's in there →evin290 12:23, 24 Feb 2005 (MST)


Pictures

Hey, I was wondering where I could get jpgs of emails 17-125. I'm working on an email collage. -68.100.170.134

Each Strong Bad Email has it's own article with an image included, so you might want to look there. All the Strong Bad Email articles can be found on this the Strong Bad Email page. -- Tom 12:14, 25 Feb 2005 (MST)
Don't forget your print screen button for screenshots. -- nintendorulez 08:18, 6 Apr 2005 (MDT)

Email Raps on separate page

I'm thinking that the various raps could be spun off onto a separate page. Strong Bad Email Raps perhaps. Thoughts? - Dr Haggis - Talk 20:06, 28 Feb 2005 (MST)

Sounds do-able to me. How about the same for page titles and menus? Would Strong Bad Email Menus and Strong Bad Email Page Titles be worth it? I know the page title section is a bit long. -- Tom 20:33, 28 Feb 2005 (MST)
I third that motion. It'll condence this page, and make the raps more distinguished. I like grouping the raps with the menus on a seperate page, but is a special page just for 'page titles' really needed? I feel that can still live comfortably on the main Strong Bad Emails page for the time being. Or alternativly group all three on the same page, under ummm... I can't think of a good name. Just something that sums up all three catergories. Up to you guys though. That's just my two cents.

[[User:Thunderbird L17|⇔Thunderbird⇔]] 00:02, 1 Mar 2005 (MST)

Suggestions for a page consising of the Strong Bad Email raps, page titles, adn additional menu pages : - Dr Haggis - Talk 17:38, 2 Mar 2005 (MST)
  • Strong Bad Email Details
  • Strong Bad Email Appendix
  • Strong Bad Email Supplement
I'm liking what Tom suggested- Strong Bad Email Menus and Strong Bad Email Page Titles, as is follows along with Strong Bad Email By Place and Strong Bad Email By Name of Sender. But I do agree something needs to be done- it looks pretty bad right now. →[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]

SBEmail by Time

I don't know about you guys, but I for one would really like to be able to see all the e-mail lengths at a glance. I think it would be nice if someone made a page which had all the e-mails in order from biggest to smallest. --Joshua 16:11, 19 Mar 2005 (MST)

i think it would be cool to have a running poll of the best email ever. i dont know how u would go about somthing like that, so any thoughts would be nice.


Time those DVD ones

Can anyone time the DVD-only emails? - Joshua 02:24, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I'll do it. I can do it nine times! But I'll only do it once. --Jay 02:30, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)
All right, I got 'em. Time to add 'em to the articles and the By Length page. --Jay 02:39, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Question: Why cant someone record the DVD emails and post it on the wiki? --Posted by -erson 01:17, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

If we recorded the stuff from the DVD there would be no reason to buy it, which mean TBC will lose money. →FireBird
True true. Plus, It could be breaking Fair Use. Stupid me--Posted by -erson 01:24, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Homsar not main character

correct me if in wrong but he has been in like two or three cartoons or emails combined

Homsar is a main character. Homsar has a character page, which classifies him as a main character. --Gafaddict 23:42, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
He's appeared in around 24 episodes, actually. Go here for the full list. -- Joshua 18:31, 5 May 2005 (UTC)
Homsar has:
A character video
A figurine. In fact, said figurine is currently sitting on my shelf.
Directly interacted with the main characters (of the characters SB has "created", I'm pretty sure Senor Cardgage was the only other character to do that.)
A larger filmography than any non-main character AFAIK (smaller than all the other main characters, though.)
When the main cast is assembled or referred to for whatever reason (all recent Halloween toons if he's unlocked, flashback, your friends, rock opera), Homsar is there.
Homsar is a main character. --Jay (Talk) 20:03, 5 May 2005 (UTC)
Yeah, but Strong Bad didn't create him, Vinnie did. -Alice
No, Vinnie misspelled "Homestar." The Brothers Chaps created Homsar and made him a main character. He's not even the only character inspired by fans. The Kerrek and Kristen (So and So) each got their names from real people. — It's dot com 22:52, 28 May 2005 (UTC)

Computer?

Should we really have the computer Strong Bad uses up at the top of every email? That doesn't seem like useful information. -- Joshua 18:31, 5 May 2005 (UTC)

Since when does it have to make sense? most of the stuff on homestarrunner doesn't make sense! and it doesn't always say that.

True, quite pointless. Buuuut, If Joey Day's theme'd format idea works out, that should work just as well... ⇔Thunderbird⇔ 19:57, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

Answer

I've heard some people here got their E-mail answered in the weekly Sbemail. I'm wondering, does Strong Bad actually send something back? Kvb 20:33, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

He did. See Fun Facts on the Strong Bad Email page to see what he used to write back to you. →FireBird
I read that. But you won't get a real answer, not even if your E-mail made it to that weeks Sbemail? Kvb 20:39, 6 May 2005 (UTC)
Nope. Not anymore. →FireBird

New email format...

For a long while now, I've been somewhat annoyed that we use pre tags to do Strong Bad Emails (even though I think it was initially my idea). I've set up a blockquote class in the stylesheet, so we can now do Strong Bad Emails like this (edit this page to see how I did this):

I want to throw this out there and see if the community would support this. The only annoyance is we have to start adding br tags so we can keep the formatting. If people like this, we can add it to the projects page and start editing all 129 emails. What does everyone think? — wikisig.gif Joey (talk·edits) 18:06, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

At the very least, I think the style should be amended to keep the border and the different colored background. It makes it easily recognizable and distinguished. But I also like the old Courier font... maybe because it just says "email" to me. I dunno—I guess I could live without the font, but I really think the border should stay. — It's dot com 18:54, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
I am using the Courier font in the stylesheet. It shows up correctly for me. Just to make sure you're seeing it correctly, could you do a hard-refresh of the page for me? Thanks. — wikisig.gif Joey (talk·edits) 19:03, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
Oh, that did the trick! Hey, that's cool! I love Strong Bad's reflection. — It's dot com 19:43, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
I'm thinking no. Too fancy. --Gafaddict 18:57, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
What do you mean, too fancy? Can you be more specific? Thanks. — wikisig.gif Joey (talk·edits) 19:04, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
Strong Bad's head. I find that to just be going a bit extreme. The Lappy-colored border and black background, however, I like. --Gafaddict 19:05, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
Strong Bad's silhouette is my favorite part! I guess we'll have to get several more opinions before going forward with this. — wikisig.gif Joey (talk·edits) 19:39, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

I love it! It is way better than...um...whatever we used for the older one is called. Keep the SB head at all costs please and thanks. --Because, It's Midnite

Different styles for each computer

Another idea I had for this is to use three different styles to more closely approximate the Tandy, Compy, and Lappy. We would set it up so that if a user has Commodore 64, Westminster, and Glitch0 installed they would see those fonts, but if not, it would default back to Courier New. Thoughts? — wikisig.gif Joey (talk·edits) 19:07, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

Glitch0 doesn't look so great when outside Flash, see the sandbox.
Hm, you're right, and that brings up a point I didn't think about. Those three fonts are not the same sizes, and they're all different from Courier New, so we'd have to somehow control the size of the fonts based on whether or not the user has the font installed. That wouldn't be easy. — wikisig.gif Joey (talk·edits) 19:37, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
I think Courier's the best for this job. But you could make the Tandy-era emails green. — It's dot com 19:46, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
Wow, edit conflicted twice. Quite the hot topic. Anyways, I've said before, I just don't get the technical formatting lingo. But I'm in favor of the end result! I think that Joey Day's preview example is perfect, with a different look for each season, copying the font and all. But what happens when there's more text? Will Strong Bad's Head just get bigger or something? Although I really like that look, it still leaves a couple of things to be answered. What would we do with such emails as mile, or cheatday? Would we make a special look for PBTC Strong Bad, or The Cheat himself? Also, "pre" is not used only in the case of Strong Bad getting an email, it's used whenever text is quoted, such as here. So if we make a special one for each email season, which is a really cool idea, we'd also need a basic format following the same kind of theme, one that encompases all other situations. Whatever happens, thank you Joey, for going to the trouble to make such an awsome quote thing. ⇔Thunderbird⇔ 19:50, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
EDIT:I just realized I could try 'show preview', and I like the look for long emails. The main problem is for emails one or two lines long. What then? ⇔Thunderbird⇔ 19:53, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
I don't think we'd do away with the regular <pre> tags for normal quoted material; we would only replace those on the emails, right? Replacing the <pre> tags would be pretty straightforward: just change the first one to <blockquote class="email"> and the second one to </blockquote>. Putting in the <br> tags would be a chore but also straightforward. As far as short emails go, a couple of "&nbsp;<br>" lines added at the end would make Strong Bad's face show in all its majesty. — It's dot com 20:05, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
pre is the wrong way to quote material. We should come up with a default style for blockquote and use that for everything. [EDIT: I just created a new default blockquote style and commented about it on the Main Page talk page since it is relevant to more than just Strong Bad Emails.] Also, &nbsp; is the wrong way to create space (from a web-standards point of view). A better way would be to put a min-height attribute on the blockquote. Unfortunately, min-height doesn't work in IE. What's the shortest Strong Bad Email? I don't mind making the image a little smaller/shorter so it looks good with the shortest email. [EDIT: I just uploaded a new image (do a Ctrl+refresh to see it). It's shorter and smaller. Should work better with emails down to four lines long. Are there any emails shorter than that?] — wikisig.gif Joey (talk·edits) 20:55, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
I love you. Er... I don't mean I love you (although I'm sure you're a nice person)—I mean that i love you is the shortest email. (Or darned close. I didn't do a comprehensive search.) But the Strong Bad graphic was the perfect size the way it was. We should use the larger one. Why not use the height property? If the height of the box is greater than that specified by the property, it increases to fit. — It's dot com 21:28, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
Actually, i she be is the shortest, coming in at two lines. i love you has three lines, counting the blank one. You liked it bigger, eh? I wonder what Gafaddict (and any others that thought it was too fancy) think of the smaller size. I think it's a bit more subtle, at least. We can go back to the big size (I kept the original). I have an idea for short emails. I could create a class called shortemail that would have a set height equal to the height of the background image. We would use that style on short emails and the regular email style on all other emails. Does that sound re-zon-able? — wikisig.gif Joey (talk·edits) 21:41, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
I like it, but how would you distinguish the Lappy from the Compy? -- Joshua 21:49, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
To distinguish the Lappy from the Compy, what if we used the default sans serif face (Verdana) or even Trebuchet. I just think this whole idea is cool (with the reflection, that is), so whatever we end up with will be fine... — It's dot com 21:57, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
I didn't notice earlier, It's dot com said, "If the height of the box is greater than that specified by the property, it increases to fit." That's actually not true. IE behaves that way, but IE is doing it wrong. The height property should be honored in all cases, even when there's too much text to fit in the box. Standards-compliant browsers like Mozilla and Opera do it the right way. Using the height property for all the emails wouldn't work. That's why I created the seperate shortemail class. — wikisig.gif Joey (talk·edits) 22:17, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
Wow, that's frustrating. Stupid IE! (But I'm probably not switching anytime soon. *sigh*) — It's dot com 22:22, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

Tandy styled email test

Just done a quick test with Tandy styled email. Not pretty with Westminster installed. See below. --Venusy (Talk) (Contributions), 21:01, 13 May 2005 (BST)

Maybe just leave it as Courier and bold it? — It's dot com 20:05, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
Yeah, I think we've settled on Courer for emails no matter what era they're from. — wikisig.gif Joey (talk·edits) 20:55, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

Short email format

How does that work out? (Ctrl+Refresh if you don't see it correctly.) — wikisig.gif Joey (talk·edits) 21:47, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

I like that. What if we used the small image on short emails and the larger one for the regula-types? — It's dot com 21:57, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
I switched back to the bigger one, but cut off the bottom a little to make it shorter (Ctrl+Refresh to see it). I don't think it looks too bad cutting off the top of Strong Bad's head. As long as his eyes are clearly visible, I think it looks fine. — wikisig.gif Joey (talk·edits) 22:31, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
Yeah, that looks good. — It's dot com 22:40, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

More tests

Tandy with brighter green

Never been a fan of 'lime green'. Here's a vote for a slightly darker green. ⇔Thunderbird⇔ 00:46, 14 May 2005 (UTC)

I just adjusted the green to be the same green used on H*R. How does it look now? — It's dot com 20:21, 15 May 2005 (UTC)
I like it. ⇔Thunderbird⇔ 18:15, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

Compy era with width set to 450px

Lappy era with Trebuchet

Special cases

What about these?

  • Pom-Pilot email (the bird)
  • Tangerine Dreams email (weird dream)
  • PBTC email (mile)
  • Does anybody remember those SBemails that were on like an old LCD phone? I can't find it anywhere on the site. Am I crazy? — It's dot com 22:41, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
Are you thinking of the Pom Pilot? ⇔Thunderbird⇔ 00:49, 14 May 2005 (UTC)
No, he's thinking of Wireless Bizness. It no longer works, so I'm not entirely sure that it is possible to even get the transcript of these. I think that the only remaining one on the site (that wasn't a standard SBEmail) is/was "Salty Plum Soda", which can be viewed here. --Venusy (Talk) (Contributions), 12:03, 14 May 2005 (BST)
According to this page, the Wireless Bizness was used as one of the hidden emails on the DVD. Assuming that's right, then we have transcripts of them after all. — It's dot com 19:34, 20 May 2005 (UTC)
I thought about standardizing the width too. I don't have anything against it, though I think it may have implications if a user increases their text size or shrinks their browser window. The more I think about it, though, the more I realize it probably wouldn't be a problem. Other web-standards advocates might disagree with me though. — wikisig.gif Joey (talk·edits) 23:01, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

Lappy Era

Would there be a way of incorperating the subjects into the lappy era email format? It would make them stand out from the Compy, and ya gotta put 'em somewhere... ⇔Thunderbird⇔ 19:19, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

That's a good point. — It's dot com 19:23, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

We don't need individual styles

I know it was my idea in the first place, but I'm not sure I like having individual formats for each computer (let alone the special cases). I think we need some consistency, and the proposed format is simple and ambiguous. It doesn't look exactly like any of the computers, and therefore approximates all of them equally well. This business of creating three (or more) different formats only complicates the issue unnecessarily. Anybody agree with me? — wikisig.gif Joey (talk·edits) 21:04, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

That makes good sense. If we're not going to deal with all the special cases, then we should have one standardized format. — It's dot com 21:09, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
Okay, but I still feel we should have subjects integrated in somehow, which calls for a different Lappy font, in which case we may as well go for one for each time frame. I still like that idea. ⇔Thunderbird⇔ 02:03, 19 May 2005 (UTC)
One format works for me, except I think something needs to be done with the "subject bar" of the lappy emails. I think it would look really bad in the way it is done now. -- Joshua 02:07, 19 May 2005 (UTC)
It seems to me that since the Lappy emails will need to differ--having a blue subject line--that it wouldn't be too much trouble to make a green one for the Tandy. — Jesse's Girl 18:58, 27 May 2005 (UTC)

Here's a blue subject line for the Lappy emails. — wikisig.gif Joey (talk·edits) 21:49, 22 May 2005 (UTC)

Ooh, that's real good. But I still think we don't need it to be wider than 450 or 500 pixels. — It's dot com 02:01, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

Do a hard refresh (Ctrl+F5). I updated the layout earlier today to give the subject line a bit of padding and to fix the width at 500px. I'd love for this to go live this week. Anybody have any last-minute objections? — wikisig.gif Joey (talk·edits) 04:26, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
Sounds pretty good. Just wondering: Are we doing a seperate Tandy format (green)? I wouldn't mind seeing it as the same font, just different color. Then with the subject bar added for the lappys, there's all three computers with seperate formats, easily. Or are we sticking with just the two? ⇔Thunderbird⇔ 04:34, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

Final styles?

I think we've arrived at three final styles. Check the source to see how I did these (because of new css rules I've also gone back and changed some of the previous mock-ups, so don't get confused).

Tandy

<blockquote class="tandy email"></blockquote>

Compy

<blockquote class="email"></blockquote>

Lappy

<blockquote class="email"></blockquote> with <div>subject: whatever</div>

You can also do a short email by adding the word "short" into the class declaration (i.e. class="short tandy email" or class="short email". — wikisig.gif Joey (talk·edits) 15:09, 27 May 2005 (UTC)

Cool. — It's dot com 15:31, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
What's the difference? I see no difference whatsoever between, say, "compy email" and "short compy email". --Jay (Talk) 21:06, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
This will look great! I was getting sick of those pre tags... «Rob» 03:26, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
Me: (dejectedly) I liked that computer...I mean—I liked those pre tags... --VolatileChemical 18:20, 28 May 2005 (UTC)

Clean up "Not Quite Strong Bad Emails"?

There's been some additions to the NQSBEs that don't seem to make a whole lot a sense. Originally this was cartoons that were linked, at some point, from SB's computer (such as The Thing in a Bag). But now its any time anyone answers an email... which is something totally different.

I'd say these three should defiently be removed, but I'm new here so I don't want to go and do it and be yelled at.

  1. 127½. HomestarRunner.com PAY PLUS! ("The Email Show" is one of the pay-per-view features.)
  2. 41½. King of Town Email (The King of Town tries to answer an email on his recently bought (but broken) Tandy 400.)
  3. 87½. Fan Costume Commentary (One fan is pretending to answer a Strong Bad Email.)

-Piscez

  • I think that Pay Plus should definately stay (because it actually contains part of a theoretical Strong Bad Email) and King of Town Email should too (if anything is still called a sbemail, then this could be too), but not Fan Costume Commentary, which is more of a reference. Aurora the Homestar Coder 04:52, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
    • I don't think it matters if they contain SB email material; it matters if they originated from the computer. They begin as SBE's but aren't. Thats a NQSBE. The other examples are just Someone Doing Something Emailish. (SDSE, since I haven't used enough acronyms here.) And anything *could* be a NQSBE, but its defiently been labeled a sbemail. The brief KoT thing defiently doesn't count. -Piscez
      • I have to disagree with your definition there. Personally, I think it counts if it contains sbemail material, not just if it gets linked from Strong Bad's computer. I would rather get rid of Lookin' at a Thing in a Bag than Pay Plus. Aurora the Homestar Coder 05:32, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
        • Well for the longest time, the only ones mentioned were the ones like TIAB. The others were added recently, by someone who didn't understand the reason for the category. "The following shorts were originally associated in one way or another with the Strong Bad Emails." That doesn't say "Any time anyone answered an email." Not a big deal really... but I'm right. :-P -Piscez
          • That's very nice that you agree with the description, but I'm saying I think the description should be changed. Aurora the Homestar Coder 14:26, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
      • Puppet Time and the Trogdor game one are the only ones I think should go from the current list. -- Joshua 15:14, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
        • But... they are WHAT a "Not Quite a Strong Bad Email" IS. ...But since this is probably the stupidest thing to argue about ever, I'll admit defeat, even though I'm totally right. Someone change the description so that it matches the new, wrong, stupid definition. -Piscez
          • Considering that the definition of "Not Quite a Strong Bad Email" is an arbitrary construct of the wiki, I hardly think that my alternate definition is "wrong" and "stupid". Strong Bad Email is one of the most visited pages, especially by non-wiki people who are probably only casual Homestar Runner watchers. I think that they will care more that there is part of an email embedded in "Pay Plus" than that "Puppet Time" was once, long ago, linked to from the Compy, but otherwise has no connection to sbemail. Aurora the Homestar Coder 01:19, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
  • I agree with Aurora. Pay Plus needs to be there. Anything that contains part of an email is technically a "not quite Strong Bad Email". -- Tony Stony 00:47, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
    • I'm with Aurora on this one too. I once looked at the NQSBE list and wondered what on Earth "Puppet Time" was doing there. Reading the description cleared it up, but I do think that it still doesn't fit that well. --Jay (Talk) 01:26, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
      • Thanks, guys. I think that "Puppet Time" and "Thing in a Bag" should go, because they have no connection to sbemail other than once being linked from the Compy. "Superbowl Dealie" should probably also go, because its only connection is a message from the Paper. I'm inclined to keep "Arcade Game" because of Homestar using the Compy, but I'm not too sure about this one either (it seems Joshua would disagree too). The others, I think, should stay. More thoughts? Aurora the Homestar Coder 01:36, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
        • I agree wholeheartedly on Puppet Time and Thing in a Bag. Superbowl Dealie could go either way - I can see reasons for keeping it and reasons for dumping it. However, I do think Arcade Game should stay. --Jay (Talk) 01:38, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
          • So... Did anything ever happen with this? It was over a month ago... I personally don't see any harm leaving them be, since if there's only two or three in question, leave them all there for the sake of doubtless completion. ⇔Thunderbird⇔ 03:36, 21 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Table

I think that if the strong bad emails were in a table with pictures next to each one it would look freaking good but thats just my oppinion -Pertmywert|Talk ContributionsFile:Runninghomestar.gif

I dunno. That sure would take up way more space than it does now. — It's dot com 18:14, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Redirects

Why don't we start articles that redirect to the sbemails? I was thinking that typing sbemail1 would deliver you to some kinda robot, sbemail2 would throw up homsar et cetera. Ppk01 07:04, 10 Jul 2005 (UTC)

I've always liked this idea. Is there any reason why we shouldn't do this? — It's dot com 22:42, 10 Jul 2005 (UTC)
You know what? I'm on to it. — Elcool (talk)(contribs) 21:01, 18 Jul 2005 (UTC)
Every time such pages have been made in the past, they were promptly DELETED!! --Jay (Talk) 06:40, 19 Jul 2005 (UTC)
Why is it so bad? Sometimes when I don't remember the name of the email but know the number, it's easier to just write it in the URL bar and get redirected to the email itself. — Elcool (talk)(contribs) 07:36, 19 Jul 2005 (UTC)
In addition, a user unfamiliar with the wiki would also be likely to try to type the sbemail number in directly. — It's dot com 07:40, 19 Jul 2005 (UTC)
I suppose that my #1 concern was that redirects like these were made in the past and then deleted by The Paper. --Jay (Talk) 08:14, 19 Jul 2005 (UTC)
I'm not saying the what The Paper did is wrong, but did he give any reasons for the deletions? — Elcool (talk)(contribs) 08:35, 19 Jul 2005 (UTC)
The deletion log shows Jay and Kilroy deleted sbemail1 and sbemail2, not User:The Paper. (See [1] [2]) Anyway, I don't see creating the redirects as being a problem. In fact, I can remember Joey wanting to do this a long long time ago. I disagreed with him then, but I don't see anything wrong with it at this point it time. -- Tom 17:09, 19 Jul 2005 (UTC)
So what now? Is it OK for me to go ahead and start redirecting? I made a list in MS Word with all the code I need (More like 133 lines of #REDIRECT [[email name]]) — Elcool (talk)(contribs) 04:26, 20 Jul 2005 (UTC)
It looks like you can go for it. And to any naysayers still out there: c'mon, they're just redirects. They hardly take up space, but they would make the wiki (at least a little) more convenient. — It's dot com 13:26, 20 Jul 2005 (UTC)
What do you say, Jay? — Elcool (talk)(contribs) 13:52, 20 Jul 2005 (UTC)
Well I think it's an okay idea, as long as they're only gonna be used for FINDING the page, but we'll continue always linking to the name, right? I just don't want half of the links going to a certain name, and the other half going to sbemail###. Besides that little danger though, I'm on the redirect bandwagon. It is gonna stop here though, right? I don't think numbering the toons or anything is that good of an idea... ⇔Thunderbird⇔ 03:29, 21 Jul 2005 (UTC)
I don't think that would be a problem. You should never intentionally link to a redirect. As far as numbering toons goes, there's absolutely no danger of that. With these emails, we're not inventing the numbering sceme, just merely using a term TBC already use. — It's dot com 03:34, 21 Jul 2005 (UTC)

*whew* Well, that's done. Thanks, Some HSR themed username, for your assistance. (Final score: Dot com, 110; HSR username, 23.) Sorry for not waiting to let you help, E.L. Cool, but I guess I kinda got a fire under my shorts and decided to go ahead and do it. — It's dot com 04:20, 21 Jul 2005 (UTC)

No problem. You really had it worked down to a science there. Plus you had like, an hour head start. No way I could catch up. Next episode, Dot com! Next episooooooode! Anyway, that's one less thing for everybody to worry about. small_logo.pngUsername-talk 04:28, 21 Jul 2005 (UTC)
Aha! Check the edit log, my friend, and you will discover that I did mine in not an hour but... thirty minutes! For you math majors out there, that's an average of one every 16.4 seconds! I mean, I hate to brag, but at one point I was flying. About number 67, I checked the Recent changes again to see if anyone had noticed and decided to help (which I figured would be the case), and I saw you. And so it was a race to see when we would meet! (I realize that normal people would find it stupid how much enjoyment we get out of doing dumb maintenance stuff like this, but admit it, we do.) — It's dot com 04:40, 21 Jul 2005 (UTC)
How true, how true. I just made up a length of time, considered actually checking, then decided I was too lazy. But wow. That's fast. You averaged about two for every one I did. Incredible. I checked RC too to see where you were, and was amazed how quickly you'd progressed. Good jorb. small_logo.pngUsername-talk 04:45, 21 Jul 2005 (UTC)
Well, it's OK. I was sick that day any-dang-way. Grood jorb. — Elcool (talk)(contribs) 04:54, 21 Jul 2005 (UTC)
Missed the rest of this discussion. Yes, it was Kilroy, not The Paper, and I'm sorry for the misattribuition. Anyway, the only thing that really bothered me about it was that someone had deleted them in the past; I figured there must have been a reason so I just went along with it. Sorry for the trouble. --Jay (Talk) 19:17, 26 Jul 2005 (UTC)

E-mail 134

Earlier today I went to Homestarrunner.com to see the new email, but the main page was still linking to E-mail 133! The Brothers Chaps are really slacking off! The White Knight of Fianna 14:11, 25 Jul 2005 (UTC)

When was this? This link takes me to the correct email. Perhaps your cache needs clearing. —BazookaJoe 14:13, 25 Jul 2005 (UTC)

It was at about 9:00 AM this morning. I know what a cache is, but what do you mean "clearing"?

What is there not to get? If you know what chace is, you should know how to clear it. It's a bit different to clear your cache in Firefox, and I've forgotten how to do it in Internet Explorer. —FireBird|Talk 14:20, 25 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Well I obviously don't.

Tools --> Options... --> Privacy --> Cache --> "Clear". This is for Mozilla Firefox. I'm not sure about Internet Explorer, but a hard refresh (Ctrl+F5) might do the trick. —FireBird|Talk 14:36, 25 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Ok


next and previous E-mail

Should we place one of these in each E-mail?

Preceded by:
none		 some kinda robot followed by:
homsar

-Lord Z

I like that TotalSpaceshipGirl3

Why would we need this? The long list of Strong Bad Emails at the bottom of each email shows your position. — It's dot com 04:17, 5 Aug 2005 (UTC)
Wikipedia uses this all over the place. Here's an example with King Henry VIII of England (scroll down). Having the full list of emails displayed at the bottom might become a little clunky as the list grows. I'm not necesarily lobbying it, but the precedent does exist in Wikipedia. -- tomstiff 02:21, 15 Aug 2005 (UTC)
We need that template. Quick access to every email down there is a must. - Joshua
I based Template:Strong Bad Email on Wikipedia:Template:USpresidents. That template seems to exist in harmony with the succession box on all of the US President articles. We'd have to create something other that our current Template:Succession box, since the email box wouldn't have a "years" variable. That is of course, if and only if there was consensus to go through with it. -- Tom 02:45, 15 Aug 2005 (UTC)

I was thinking... I'd like to make navigation buttons near the top or bottom of the page to take you either to the next e-mail or the previous e-mail. Tell me if you think it's a bad idea, but i was looking for them because about once a month i go thru each e-mail and watch them all and i refer to the wiki for all the easter eggs. If there was a button near the top, i could just keep flowing, i know that each e-mail page has a list of all the e-mails but i don't always go all the eay to the bottom, just let me know if it would be worth the work or if you disagree. I'm open to suggestions too.--Adamlw 03:30, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Well, I'd say there's a market for such an idea, based on the above conversation. Why don't you work up a prototype and post it here. — It's dot com 03:32, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Wow, i added my comment before i noticed someone had brought it up. and it fell in nicely...--Adamlw 03:34, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)

I dunno, I think the list of every email is fine, especially with the selected email somewhat hilighted while you're in it. I think it's fine as is. Although one little side topic that I think would be handy, is a quick sort of 'back' link to the main Strong Bad Email page. I know it's at the bottom, and the left (in the navigation 'always there' link), but by simply linking the SBEmail in Strong Bad Email #XX at the top of the page, it would probably be a bit easier to go back. Just a thought, if anyone's up to doing that. ⇔Thunderbird⇔ 01:27, 24 Aug 2005 (UTC)
As you mantioned, there are already two links to the same page in every Strong Bad Email. A third one would particaly breake the "Once and Only Once" rule even more. And you don't realy have scroll all the way down. Just click the "External Links" at the bottom of the Table of contents. What kind of lazy guy are you that you can't even pick up the mouse and scroll for half a second? — Elcool (talk)(contribs) 05:20, 24 Aug 2005 (UTC)
I personally think the Strong Bad Email links we currently have are plenty, but I want to point out that "Once and Only Once" does not mean what we commonly take it to mean. But that discussion is for another day. — It's dot com 05:59, 24 Aug 2005 (UTC)
I'm sorry, I'm not usually that 'lazy' in real life, really. All I meant was that generally when you're looking for a 'back' button, you naturally look at the top right. And it wouldn't be that hard to add one to the top right. And the 'once and only once' linking rule just means in such cases as a large article meantioning something several times, only the top one would be linked. But in the cases of pages such as Strong Bad Email By Name of Sender, there's nothing wrong with linking something like spring cleaning or huttah! several times. In this case, I don't think the additional link would be too bad either. But I'm not one for going against the majority, so if most folks thinks it's a bad idea, then it won't happen. ⇔Thunderbird⇔ 00:58, 26 Aug 2005 (UTC)
How about a drop-down menu? All you'll have to do is select an email and hit go. --Strong Rad 00:45, 2 Sep 2005 (UTC)
Can the wiki even support this? I'm not sure if this is an option — Elcool (talk)(contribs) 04:15, 2 Sep 2005 (UTC)
I believe there is probably a way to do this in MediaWiki, as porplemontage has proved with many other things. Just a "hack" that needs to be done by an admin. But I don't think a drop down menu would be that great, because there are 130+ emails, which means 130+ options. «Rob» 07:32, 7 Oct 2005 (UTC)
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