Talk:Heaven

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I don't see why the place at the end of Teen Girl Squad Issue 9 isn't heaven! It has ghosts, it has clouds, and dead people are there! Isn't that basically heaven? People say that it's not because they appear as ghosts, not angels. Homestar appeared as an angel because he's the main character. He may even have a ghostly tail under the robe! I don't get it! -Tizye96 (btw, I made this page ^_^)

Heaven has angels, not ghosts. Also, it's not clear if those are clouds. I always thought those were rocks. Loafing 21:15, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
The appearance of TGS at the end of issue 9 would be consistent with the portrayal of ghosts in Japanese folklore (as one example). Ghosts would be wandering around the "real" world, unseen but felt. Thus, the location of where they are at is unclear, since we get no guidance from the short one way or the other.wbwolf (t | ed) 21:24, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
True, it differs a bit from the usual description of heaven, but I think it's close enough that it at least deserves a mention in the article, even if it is not clear exactly what it is. I always assumed it was heaven, or at least some kinda spirit world. Has Matt? (talk) 21:28, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
Given the current layout of the article, what would be the best way to format a link, given that it is unclear? wbwolf (t | ed) 21:33, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
I guess we could mention it in the body of the article (something like, "In Teen Girl Squad Issue 9, the girls die and appear as ghosts in a location similar to heaven, although it is unclear exactly where they are."). A link in Appearances could also be added (Teen Girl Squad Issue 9 (possibly)). Has Matt? (talk) 21:43, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
Maybe we can create a page called Afterlife and merge Heaven and Hell. (hmm... Merge Heaven and Hell? Sounds like quite a task!)--.Johnny Jupiter! talk cont 06:52, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
Speaking of saying funny stuff, if the above merge is deemed a bad idea, do you think maybe the opening to this page should be changed? "...the place where the good are sent after death; more specifically, where Main Page 6 is set" makes it sound like the good are sent to Main Page 6! I don't want to change it myself because I'm not 100% sure it's needed. It kinda sounds really funny the way it is, but it is a tad confusing. I guess a strategicly placed "it is" could clarify it a little. I guess I can do that, but I'll still leave this post so all the peoples can see how funny it used to be.--.Johnny Jupiter! talk cont 06:52, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Unnecessary Assumption?

I take a little bit of issue with the first line of the page: "where the good citizens of Free Country, USA are sent after death". This seems to me like an unnecessary assumption (not to mention unprofessional-looking)-- has any 'toon on the site actually stated this? Sure, it seems likely, but I don't think we should say this unless something specific said by a character or the Brothers Chaps confirms it.

If any 'toon has actually confirmed it, then I very apologize. But as of now I would be in favor of changing that first line to something more factual.

-SRMX12

Well, in WTCAW, it can be assumed that Heaven is for good citizens since Strong Bad realises it's hell when Homestar is there, which would be punishment since he hates Homestar. This could point to a parallel that Heaven is a place of luxury, the opposite of hell.
Also, in Main Page 6, H*R is seen with a halo, typically associated in Christanity as a sign of "holiness", which would mean Homestar is good and thus, that's how he got there as an angel.
And finally, TBC were raised Christian, so it can be assumed that they associate Heaven as a place where "good people" go after death. - Catjaz63 01:34, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
Your arguments make sense, but like that first sentence, they're based on speculation and assumption. Just because that's the purpose Heaven serves in Christianity, it's not necessarily what happens in the Homestar Runner Universe. Like I said, it seems likely, but shouldn't we avoid saying stuff like that unless it's confirmed?
I have the exact same qualm with the first phrase of the Hell page: "Hell is the place where the wicked are sent after death". Let's not make assumptions based on religious beliefs that exist in our world. SRMX12 22:59, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
Except there's no reason to think that Heaven and Hell don't have their usual definition. If we made a page called "Hushpuppies" (which we shouldn't, because there's only one mention, but bear with me here), we would mention that hushpuppies are deep-fried balls of cornmeal. We wouldn't assume that they could be totally something else just because they haven't been explicitly described as such. Same thing here, without an explicit definition to the contrary of the usual, it is perfectly valid to treat Heaven and Hell as though they follow their normal definition. — Defender1031*Talk 00:00, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
Alright, alright, alright. You both make excellent cases. I guess my promblem is that your Hushpuppy example is based on undeniable fact, whereas there are no facts about Heaven and Hell, just religious context. I don't think we should just assume that all citizens of Free Country, USA are sent to Heaven or Hell when they die. This is a made-uppy cartoon world we're talking about, after all... maybe they're sent to Massachusetts. --SRMX12 (talk) 06:29, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
I would disagree. The fact about heaven and hell is that those who believe they exist, believe that it's where people go after they die. Whether or not it's a matter of belief or proof is immaterial to the fact that that is what those words mean. Therefore, if they exist in FCUSA, then it follows that they mean the same thing there that they do if they exist in the real world. — Defender1031*Talk 09:07, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
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