Talk:your edge

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Contents 1 Encyclopedia Brown and The Case of the Missing Casserole 2 Ping pong ball 3 Strong Sad's Revenge 4 There's no "eye" in Bubs. 5 Thing 6 Three Armed Strong Sad 7 edgetangle.com 8 Hrmm... 9 Eggs and Toilet Paper 10 Fourth Wall Break? 11 Umm... Hello? 12 New Shrubs? 13 Here Come The Goofs 14 A wicked contact buzz from those roach foggers--I mean,.... from that gasoline? 15 Faint light 16 Strong Sad lying 17 Goof that can only be seen NOT in the flash file?! 18 tapity tapity tap 19 Explanations etc. 20 novelle-ique 21 Feathering 22 A questionable goof 23 Clapping Sound 24 Stromestar Rad 25 Aren't these supposed to be "Fun" Facts?

[edit] Encyclopedia Brown and The Case of the Missing Casserole

The casserole is gone in the easter egg where the lights come on. - Owen

Maybe Strong Bad and The Cheat ate it already! :D -- Nevadie 14:08, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

It's possible! Or maybe it's a goof? - Owen

I just watched that email, the casserole is still there, Strong Bad is still standing in it. I guess it was fixed. KR9 September 2011

You are not logged in as the user you claim to be - also, the email was fixed several years ago, and this fact is noted in the article. --Jay (Gobble) 19:33, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

[edit] Ping pong ball

I don't think the late ping pong ball is a goof.

Me neither, and even if it was a goof, it would need to be reworded. It sounds pretty unprofessional.-- Nevadie 13:21, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Agreed. If it's even remarkable, it's certainly not a goof.  Green Helmet 13:36, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Strong Sad's Revenge

I added this email to the Strong Sad's Revenge page. Do we usually put a remark in Inside References linking to Strong Sad's Revenge?-- Nevadie 13:45, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

No. BBG 14:21, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] There's no "eye" in Bubs.

Okay, so what is it with Bubs' smaller eye? Strong Bad and The Cheat's pupils are claimed to be copies of it on the main paige, Strong Sad's bulgy eye in "caffeine" was declared so, and I could swear I've read more instances where something has been compared to it. I really don't get it! I mean, guys, Bubs' eye is simply a black pupil with white spots (call them light reflections or shiny spots or whatever)in them. It's an average cartoon pupil, an average animal eyestyle and there's absolutely nothing special about it. Not every shiny pupil on this earth (or any cartoon universe) is related to it in whatsoever. I mean, one might as well say that every black circle in the Disney universe is a resemblence to Mickey Mouse's ear. --Cass from Germany 15:06, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

This is a Flash cartoon; everything you see is a Flah object. Their pupils are the same object as Bubs's eye. --Jay (Gobble) 16:18, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Maybe the fun facts should be reworded slightly to make it explicit that the same Flash object is used in these cases, and not just that they are visually the same. I certainly never realized that's what was meant by those remarks.  Green Helmet 16:48, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Thing

Is it me, or is Strong Bad closing his eyes at similar points Homestar would? (E.G: Homestar would normally close his eyes at "ping pong ball" Strong Bad did) (I'm not reffering to the blinking.) SI.com!

They're just making his eyes more expressive than usual, since using his mouth shape and body language to convey emotion are out of the question. Octan 22:29, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Three Armed Strong Sad

I don't know if this is worth mentioning as a goof because it could be on purpose, but for one frame while Strong Sad is listening to SB yelling up from the hole, he has three arms before scratching his eye... thoughts Javaguy78 21:48, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

• I have a screenshot, but don't know how to upload it.

He's right. Here's a screenshot. It should definitely be added to the page. -Peter 21:55, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

First a three-legged Homestar, now a three-legged Strong Sad. What, will we be getting a three-headed Bubs next week? Anyway, yes, add it. --Jay (Gobble) 22:06, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Added! Javaguy78 22:06, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

I don't think this is a goof, looks very intentional to me. If you watch it in context, the positioning of both arms makes sense with the physical motion that he is doing (sort of a "wind up" to scratching his eye). His arm moves very quickly which is why it is animated that way. It's not an uncommon animation technique. Remember, the toons are not intended to be watched in freeze-frame — watched normally the animation works well. This may still be notable, but not as a goof.  Green Helmet 23:32, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

I quite disagree. Even though you can only see it for a split second, you can tell that Strong Sad has three arms in that frame if you're looking closely enough. Even if it was done on purpose (which I doubt), it just doesn't look right and I think it should be noted. I mean, if anybody else wants to cast a "nay" vote, then I guess it'll have to go, but as of right now, it looks to me likes it's three to one. I'll put it back up for now, but of course I'm open to more discussion. Woah, hang on a sec there. I thought you deleted it. Never mind. I still maintain that it's a goof, though. ~That Guy Over There () 03:18, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Another example of this sort of animation is in bike thief, when Strong Bad throws his clipboard into the air. If you watch it frame by frame, there are 2 clipboards in each frame, but it's just a way that fast motion can be animated at the framerate they use.  Green Helmet 03:29, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

I've gotta disagree with you on this one. One arm moves in exactly the wrong direction to show that it's fast motion, and it looks out-of-place within the one frame it's there even granted the second right arm. And it doesn't even work - Strong Sad ISN'T moving his arm THAT fast. Nope, this is a Goof. --Jay (Gobble) 09:18, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

PS. Oh, and just to make matters better? Frame 1989. He now has ZERO right arms. There's no reasonable explanation for that. --Jay (Gobble) 09:19, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Also his arm disappears for a frame or two after he is done scratching. Not sure if anyone caught that. - Owen

I would say from looking at the post directly before yours it's pretty likely that Jay already noticed it. ~That Guy Over There () 15:25, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] edgetangle.com

Is edgetangle.com a reference to something? Seems like it must be, but I dunno.. OptimisticFool 23:25, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Well, Breadtangle. And then there's flesh-tangle/fleshtangle. That's all a quick search brought up, and I even looked in the likely places. If it's a reference to anything external, I'm not familiar with it. They just seem to have a fondness for tanglin. And tranglin. -- LGC&CS 01:22, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

It has since been registered. — User:ACupOfCoffee@ 04:54, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Hrmm...

This isn't very notable, and I'm certain I'm not the first to question this, but Strong Bad with pupils? And, he squints his eyes far more often than ever in the hole. Are the pupils just some kind of joke I'm missing, or are we just gonna assume that Strong Bad's eyes change color in the dark? --AFAC 01:18, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Since The Cheat has pupils too I'm assuming it's to make them expressive. And someone farther up the page suggested the squinting was to make up for a lack of other visible body parts that generaly are used for expression.--Shaggy | talk 03:53, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Eggs and Toilet Paper

I really don't think we need to note that the eggs and the toilet paper are the same as ones previously used in Three Times Halloween Funjob. I mean, seriously, they may be the same Flash objects used, but that doesn't mean they need to be cited for it. Should we make a note every time the use the same Flash object for the Lappy too? It's just eggs and toilet paper. Why in the world should they make more Flash objects for eggs and toilet paper rather than just reusing ones from previous cartoons? I know the whole egg thing is an inside joke, but we've already got eggs referenced. I don't think the article needs to say they're the same eggs as Funjob. ~That Guy Over There () 01:59, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

I added it not so much because the objects themselves are recurring, but because it's implied that egging and TP-ing people's houses (or what-have-you) is one of the "shenanigans" SB and TC were planning, which they had also done in 3xHF. But feel free to open-debate on this. Octan 20:42, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Fourth Wall Break?

Wouldn't Strong Bad saying, "I suddenly feel so...easy to animate." be an instance of a fourth wall break? TheCheat486 05:07, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

I concur. SI.com!

I also counted it as one. BBG 20:56, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

I added is to the "Remarks" section of the article.TheCheat486 05:10, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Umm... Hello?

Am I the only person that noticed this is the first time Strong Bad has closed his eye all the way?

There was also Jibblies 2. BBG 19:32, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Why is it that every time he closes his eyes, people think that it's the first time? — Defender1031*Talk 19:35, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm sure he did it before J2, also. He has appeared in over 300 toons. JCM 21:03, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

No, in Jibblies 2 you can see his eyes are barely opened. As far as I know this was the first time.

[edit] New Shrubs?

Do the bushes in the background of The Field look different, like they were re-designed, or am I just goin' crazy? --68.78.44.178 22:29, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Since when? They do make new ones every now and then, but I don't know when the last time they were updated was. Compared to the previous email hiding they are identical though. 98.212.197.124 22:50, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

They were last updated in pizza joint. BBG 22:58, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I've been re-watching a bunch of the older toons, so I might have an older design in my head.

[edit] Here Come The Goofs

This is the Flash file with all the goofs before they were fixed. OptimisticFool 15:39, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] A wicked contact buzz from those roach foggers--I mean,.... from that gasoline?

This may be pure speculation, but with the gasoline in the "Three Hours later" easter egg, did Strong Bad and The Cheat either:

• get drunk from it?

or

• get a cop-off from the fumes?

Why? They've clearly been known to play the Grandma game perfectly sober. Shelikescloth 05:39, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

That, or they're just playing it the way they usually play it. ~Strong Kirby, who kinda needs to get an account D:

That's called speculation. And yes, you do need to get an account. It's really easy. ~That Guy Over There () 20:07, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Faint light

If you look in the article, it says, "{Faint light appears from above}" right before Strong Sad notices the big hole. But I don't even notice the change - the faint light above is already there BEFORE Strong Bad says, "Whoa, where are we?". That's why I'm thinking of taking that little part ({Faint light appears from above}) outta there.--Charlie Jr. 18:29, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

You're right, but I could have sworn that the faint light used not to be there until Strong Sad called from above. Did they change this after the fact? (The faint light effect basically disappears if the screen of my laptop is titled too far back, so my perceptions may have been unreliable.)--Shelikescloth 05:37, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Strong Sad lying

Isnt Strong Sad not checking the internet for edgeyness an instance of a blatant lie? 82.168.116.166 19:18, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Goof that can only be seen NOT in the flash file?!

Does anyone have any idea why this would only appear in the webpage (left) and not in the swf (right)? — Defender1031*Talk 10:35, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

I would suspect it's a Flash issue. To me, it looks more like a problem where pixels are being dithered due to scaling of the video. Try seeing if you can change the size of the SWF file and reproduce the issue. wbwolf (t | ed) 14:49, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

This is definitely a scaling issue. --Jay (Gobble) 16:09, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

I would say so too. I've noticed it doesn't show when zooming in, either. ~That Guy Over There () 19:01, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

So now the question becomes, do we leave the mention of it in the glitches section or not? On one hand, it's a Flash issue, on the other, it's clearly visible in the main method of viewing. — Defender1031*Talk 21:00, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

I'd say don't leave it in. It is not a goof by TBC but rather by flash. - Owen

Looks like there is several differences between those two pictures, but the one subject that covers all of them is pixellation. Yes, it's a flash/resizing issue. That's part of the reason I like Phlip's script, 'cause I never see any pixellation with it running. Sorry, I'm wrong, but if you zoom in slightly, it DOES go away. -- Super Martyo boing! 08:17, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

It is clearly visible when watching the sbemail at the intended resolution. This means it needs to be included in the article. The question that remains is whether it is a glitch or a goof. If I remember correctly, we usually call this a goof. It may be a glitch, though. Loafing 08:33, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Well, in my opinion, a glitch is a bug or a problem in Flash, and a Goof would be something that TBC did accidentally themselves. So, personally, I'd call it a glitch. -- Super Martyo boing! 09:12, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

It's a flaw in the Flash shape that has been around since the birth of the Lappy. Only visible at certain scales and/or zoom levels. As it happens, TBC chose to scale the shape in this sbemail in just such a way that the flaw is visible at 100%. Also, when Strong Bad's husky head isn't in the way, the flaw can be seen on the other side of the monitor, too (still only visible at certain scales/zoom levels). OptimisticFool 21:59, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] tapity tapity tap

The Remarks state that you can hear the sound of typing in the background as Strong Sad is pretending to type. I don't hear it. Can someone else confirm/refute this comment and deal with it accordingly? —NFITC1^talk 05:52, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

I noticed it the first time I watched the email. --Salty^Talk! 05:54, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I hear it now. It's just real quiet. —NFITC1^talk 22:29, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Explanations etc.

• Et cetera (abbreviated etc) is a Latin phrase meaning "and other things," so Strong Bad saying "yours, his, hers, mine, ours" is using the meaning of 'et cetera' to list various possessive pronouns.

This fact was removed for explaining the joke. I personally think it belongs there, as I didn't get what strong bad was doing until i read the literal definition of etc. What does everyone else think? — Defender1031*Talk 00:20, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

You can get the joke even without the literal meaning. Also, the meaning of "etc" in the English language is "and so on". check-it-out.exe. It's unlikely that Strong Bad used the Greek literal meaning that the Latin phrase is based on that we use in English. And I am out. Loafing 00:40, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Strong Bad isn't intending any meaning other than the standard English etc., which is so common in everyday language as to not need defining here. — It's dot com 01:11, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] novelle-ique

I didn't see 'kpdeia links or explanations for this word. Is this a made up word or a type of novel? If it a type of novel, it deserves a place in remarks. I R F 03:38, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

I think it might be a portmanteau. ~That Guy Over There () 13:55, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

I think SS doesn't know what he's talking about. He MIGHT mean Novelette. Novelique IS a real French word, but it refers to the novelty-ness of an item instead of a novel. —NFITC1^talk 15:53, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Feathering

Strong Sad is saying something while being feathered but I can't tell what and unless I'm blind it's not in the transcript. Can anyone else make it out? — User:ACupOfCoffee@ 04:50, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

When doing the subtitles, I thought it sounded like Oh. Ah. Ooh. E. Stop. Please. No. No. -- Super Martyo boing! 04:53, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] A questionable goof

I was watching this with philip's GreaseMonkey script again and I just noticed something strange while viewing with show outside-the-frame action on. When it zooms in to SB saying "We can't go wrong" (frames 1231-1250) right before he tells The Cheat to saw a hole in the floor, his arms are not there. We should be able to see a little bit of his arms, gloves, and the nose of The Cheat, but the blurry background is apparently in front of those pieces. I can understand why the exclusion of The Cheat's nose, but this also covered SB's gloves and arms. Is this worthy of a mention or is should we remain silent on this leaving people none-the-wiser (although I just spilled the beans already :) ). —NFITC1^talk 15:44, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

You weren't quite specific enough. Is this "goof" only outside the border? Cause if so, it's not a goof. — Defender1031*Talk 15:46, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Sorry. Inside the border we SHOULD see SB's arms and gloves, but we don't because they're covered by the blurry background. You wouldn't notice this at all unless you were looking behind the border, however. —NFITC1^talk 15:55, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Ah, I see what you mean. The arm is in the frame, it's even animated, but the background covers it, and the only way to tell is seeing it from outside the frame... interesting... I would have no problem seeing this documented on the page, even though it's not a traditional goof. Maybe under remarks? — Defender1031*Talk 16:01, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

That will work. This is what I came up with to say:

• During Strong Bad's close-up in his living room, his right hand is animated in the flash, but is obscured by the layer that the blurry background occupies. This can only be observed by viewing below the flash's border.

Probably needs to be reworded, though. Sounds a little clunky to me. —NFITC1^talk 16:11, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Clapping Sound

When Strong Bad and The Cheat clap their hands, the sound is the same as the hands from Clapping Party from the email "slumber party".

[edit] Stromestar Rad

Does anyone else think that Strong Bad sounds like Homestar when he says he keeps ping pong balls in his pants? Also, the eyes look the same... If not, who thinks Strong Bad sounds younger when he says this? OpenSourceGreg 06:59, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Aren't these supposed to be "Fun" Facts?

• Strong Bad commits a common grammatical error by saying, "Like the other day. Me and The Cheat—" The phrase should be "The Cheat and I." Interestingly, he gets it right later in the email.

Am I crazy for thinking that common grammatical errors do not warrant a remark? ~That Guy Over There () 07:01, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

I'm a grammar nutter, so you may want to take what I say with a grain of salt. Anyway, I think cases where Strong Bad himself makes grammatical errors are especially noteworthy because he's such a stickler about others' grammar. So I'm in favour of retaining this. Incidentally, the word "fun" in "Fun Facts" is really just for alliteration; it would probably be more accurate to call them "Notable Facts". In case that was a point of contention here. Heimstern Läufer 07:04, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

I don't literally mean that I think they should be "fun." What I'm contending is that a grammatical error this minor doesn't warrant a Remark. However, seeing as how we're the only two debating it, I suppose it doesn't warrant deletion at this point. ~That Guy Over There () 08:17, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

I suppose it's a matter of opinion how big an error it is. I consider it a major mistake by an educated speaker of the language. To back up Heimstern's point, because Strong Bad points out all the errors in the emails sent to him, we have an entire article devoted to pointing out Strong Bad's errors. Fair is fair. — It's dot com 17:12, 29 December 2010 (UTC)