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[edit] Needed?

This is an interesting idea, but it's poorly laid out, and I'm not sure it's really all that helpful, especially considering the wording sometimes needs to be tweaked. (Some DVD toons have *two* commentaries, after all...) That said, I'm mostly neutral on this, because it *could* be helpful if set up right, so I marked it TBD to see what others think. -YKHi. I'm Ayjo! 06:04, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

I think we have done fine without this template so far. However, should the community wish to use this, then we need a different image, as different people can do the commentaries, not just TBC. Loafing 06:25, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
I agree that it is unneeded, for the reasons already stated, however this edit summary (YK "TBD. Most new templates, especially ones replacing long-standing parts of the site, and not created by a sysadmin, should inherently be discussed, IMO.") is an inappropriate attitude. After a while, patterns tend to emerge and it makes sense for identical parts of the site (which this isn't) to be turned into a template. Furthermore, in matters of general wiki functioning, which this is, the rank of "sysop" does not apply, as the community has equal say in these sort of things. — Defender1031*Talk 15:05, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
True to your name, I understand why you'd defend him... however, I probably shouldn't have said "sysop", but rather "'long-standing member with a good reputation', not 'someone with a history of vandalism'". Seriously, a major change like this should be discussed no matter *what*, but never mind. Besides, as the "IMO" should've suggested, it's just my opinion. -YKHi. I'm Ayjo! 18:53, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
If it's that bad as you say it is, DeFender, why don't you edit it and make it better? I think it would get boring typing that same line. Maybe I could make a new template that's like, "This toon features TWO commentary videos." Or change the image. Personally, I think it should just stay. Fix it if you must. I made this template
Look, i didn't say it was BAD, merely UNNEEDED. It's possible to make it templated to take a parameter for how many there are, default being one, but i don't really see the need. Also the image is bulky and intrusive. To YK again: I am not defending HIM per se, but the philosophy of the wiki in general. Yeah, major changes should usually be discussed, no matter who makes them, but your distinction of "long-standing member with a good reputation" vs. "someone with a history of vandalism" is STILL invalid. Okay, so the guy has been disruptive in the past, doesn't mean we should judge his good-faith edits more harshly because of it. Edits are judged based on their own merits and not on the history of he who makes them. Everyone has something to contribute, and if they do so, that's great, and they should be applauded for it, not demeaned. Finally, if your opinion goes against wiki policy, it might be wise to just keep it to yourself and use a more neutral edit summary instead. That's all. — Defender1031*Talk 03:40, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
You know, as much as I respect what you're trying to *do* here, it's that sort of attitude that tends to *cause* more problems than it *solves*. You often come on *much* too strongly when you feel someone has "wronged" someone else. What, exactly, gives you the authority to say my opinions are "invalid"? What makes your opinions so inherently superior to *mine*? That I tend to have a lack of trust those who've proven themselves to be troublemakers in the past, and that I put more stock into established users with good track records is not a "character flaw" or what have you. Honestly, I've really don't need any pathetic internet melodrama here. I got enough of it on all the message boards I frequented over the years. Do what you will with this template. I've washed my hands of this issue and others, and if it so pleases you, I won't do anything more than gnome work in the future. Mustn't stir up the slightest hint of controversy, YK. Gah, I really should just *not say anything*. All I ever seem to do is get people angry at me for being outspoken. -YKHi. I'm Ayjo! 04:02, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
DeFender, all i want is for you to do all you must to improve it. I cried when i saw that it was being deletes-quested. (see pop up. I spent three hours on it! Just change the image, reword it, i don't care! do all you'd like to do to it. i won't mind. I seriously made this template
i'm confused. were you just standing up for me, or against me YK? MichaelXX2
im sick of all this. delete it, it was a stupid idear, i 'm an idiot. im ashamed of this piece of crap i made. fine. see above

I think the template is a fine addition, if people remember to use it. It might help make sure that the wording stays consistent. I don't think it needs an image, though. Trey56 19:09, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

If it's just words, I don't think a template's needed for something simple as that. It'd be far easier to just copy-paste from a page what already has the DVD commentary text on it, and that'd keep it consistent. A template just of words is next to useless. --DorianGray 19:35, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
But you can add to include the director commentary category. Elcool (talk)(contribs) 20:48, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
I think using a one-word template would be a lot easier than copying and pasting the text every time, especially considering the wording is a little too long to expect people to memorize. I've removed the image and added a couple of parameters to automatically adjust for the number of commentaries and add the page to the appropriate categories. — It's dot com 05:12, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
after the changes, the workaround for the multiple commentary problem and the auto-category add, i think that it may actually be useful. Unnecessary for something so short, but then again, it would make for easier standardizing the text, especially if we make a minor change to the text, we'd only have to make it here. I could go either way. — Defender1031*Talk 05:24, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Deletion

Well, If no one responds with my post in a week, I'm taking the {{tbd}} template down. It seems there hasn't been much discussion awound here. MichaelXX2 01:50, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

If the template was replacing something that was fairly complicated, then perhaps it would stick around. But, this is something that can be easily copied and pasted from another SBEmail or toon. So, my feeling is this should be deleted. wbwolf (t | ed) 05:10, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
I agree. Knowing that we'd have to go through the process of adding the templates to every transcript on the site that has DVD commentary, it feels unnecessary. Even if we don't have to add this template to all those transcripts, it still feels to me that its easy enough just going to a different page with a commentary on it and copying that. Baleete. DevonM(talk·cont-ribs) 06:52, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
The effort of going through every toon with DVD commentary and replacing what's there with this template is pretty unappealing. And when the next DVD hits the Store, copying and pasting this template won't be much different than copying and pasting what we already have been. However, I do see the value of maintaining the same wording and capitalization and punctuation and categorizing (etc.) that this template would maintain. A broken template is easier to notice than a missing comma or category (for example), and would get fixed a lot quicker. And later, should we want to reword something, it's a matter of one edit rather than hundreds. Keep and use. OptimisticFool 06:54, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Michael, please note that removing tags should really be left to sysops.

Now, as for my close: I find that there is no consensus one way or another on this template. This typically means not to delete, so I am leaving this up. Of course, if, in practice, we find we don't want to use this template, we will probably want to reconsider deleting this template. Heimstern Läufer 21:24, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

By there being no consensus to delete, then the solution is to keep the template, and if we are keeping the template it only makes sense to use the template. By this reasoning, there should be no dispute if I start putting this template to use .. right? OptimisticFool 03:09, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
Right. although, a clever bot could probably do it better. — Defender1031*Talk 03:11, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
It could be faster and cleaner, yeah. And nicer for me (or anyone else that starts to pick up on it). I know what needs to be done to get it done right (remove existing text, format correctly, remove the manual categorizing), but others that follow may not know; a bot would eliminate that problem as well. The Cheatbot..? OptimisticFool 03:26, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] DVD Exclusives

This template doesn't allow for commentary on DVD Exclusives.. at the moment, the only example I can come up with is Making of Email 100. It just doesn't make sense to start this with "The DVD version" when that is the only version there is. Do we call this an exception that we'll need to remember if a rewording ever comes about? Or do we modify the template for this type of thing? OptimisticFool 04:11, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

I added a {{{source}}} variable that can replace "The DVD version" with "This video" or whatever it needs to say on a particular page. — It's dot com 23:47, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
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