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=== DEUTSCHSTUFF! ===
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{{stufffact|A Strong Badman comic appeared in connection with a "Deutschman" in haircut.}}
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{{stuffdata|[[portrait]]|13:54, 27 April 2006 (UTC)}}
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*Its relevance is obvious in light of the Easter Egg.
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*This isn't particularly relevant to the cartoon, even though a Deutsch Master painted one of the portraits.
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*This fact isn't that bad, it's just...very poorly worded. It probably *is* worth mentioning that Deutschman originated in [[haircut]]. Perhaps something like "Deutschman was also previously seen in a Strong Badman comic in [[haircut]]."
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**<s>But Deutschman ''isn't'' in [[portrait]], just this "Deutsch Master", which isn't similar enough for a link IMO.</s>
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**Wait, Deutschman ''is'' on the Strong Badman cover, it just doesn't say so in the article. Definately revision-worthy then.
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***Agreed on the revision. I will hold off on the voting until it is revised.
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**'''NOTE: This item has now been reworded.''' The rewording incorporates both the BMW Lighter reference and mentions the concert tradition.
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* Should it be listed in this article or in the running gag page on the BMW Lighter?
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**It seems appropriate to mention it in this article, as this is the most direct reference (so far) to that tradition.  It wasn't nearly as obvious in [[guitar]], and Strong Bad's use of the Lighter in other toons doesn't have much to do with music.
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* We have a tradition of ''not'' explaining the joke, unless there is a good chance a ''lot'' of people won't get it. Does this really rise to that level?
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*For all we know, this could be a reference to Strong Bad holding up the BMW lighter during [[guitar]]. It's too vague, and not extremley uncommon.
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**True, but I think both cases really are references to the concert-going tradition. The question is whether it needs to be pointed out.
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***Most people are aware of the lighter-during-ballad tradition. H*R newcomers, however, may ''not'' be aware of the BMW lighter at all, which is really what makes the joke for us fans. It's the [[BMW Lighter]] that needs to be linked to in a Fun Fact, perhaps while mentioning [[guitar]].
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****There's a mention of the BMW Lighter in Remarks, though I think it should be moved to and combined with a rewrite of this fact in Inside References.
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*I think it should be referenced ''somewhere''. I mean, you never know what someone might not understand. Maybe this page, maybe the lighter's page, maybe [[guitar]]'s page... As long as it's mentioned for those unenlightened.
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**Actually, it's already mentioned in the transcript for [[guitar]], so I think it's fine as is.
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Current revision as of 04:47, 11 May 2006

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[edit] DEUTSCHSTUFF!

A Strong Badman comic appeared in connection with a "Deutschman" in haircut.

From: portrait
Posted on: 13:54, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Arguments for:

  • Its relevance is obvious in light of the Easter Egg.

Arguments against:

  • This isn't particularly relevant to the cartoon, even though a Deutsch Master painted one of the portraits.

Additional comments:

  • This fact isn't that bad, it's just...very poorly worded. It probably *is* worth mentioning that Deutschman originated in haircut. Perhaps something like "Deutschman was also previously seen in a Strong Badman comic in haircut."
    • But Deutschman isn't in portrait, just this "Deutsch Master", which isn't similar enough for a link IMO.
    • Wait, Deutschman is on the Strong Badman cover, it just doesn't say so in the article. Definately revision-worthy then.
      • Agreed on the revision. I will hold off on the voting until it is revised.


Votes to accept: Votes to decline:
  1. Trey56
  2. Mycroft Holmes
  3. Stonecold5987 (talk·edits)
  4. · · T2|Things
  5. - Qermaq - (T/C) Image:Qermaqsigpic.png
  6. — Lapper (talk)
  7. -Image:Bubs.gif Sluggy42(Talk|Cont.)
  8. - Image:Videlectrix man.sig.gif Collin - (T/C)
  9. — Kilroy / talk
  10. Gravy Train

Proposed revision:

Deutschman, one of the characters on the Strong Badman comic cover, was created in haircut.

Arguments for:

  • More matter-of-fact wording than the original.
  • Actually links Deutschman to haircut, rather than seeming like it's trying to link the Deutsch Master.

Arguments against:

Additional comments:


Votes to accept: Votes to decline:
  1. phlip TC
  2. — Bassbone (TALK Strong Mad Has a Posse CONT)
  3. YKHi. I'm Ayjo!
  4. - Qermaq - (T/C) Image:Qermaqsigpic.png
  5. Stonecold5987 (talk·edits)
  6. racerx_is_alive
  7. Point7Q
  8. — Elcool (talk)(contribs)
  9. — Has Matt? (talk)
  10. — Lapper (talk)
  11. - Image:Videlectrix man.sig.gif Collin - (T/C)

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[edit] Concert Lighter

In the key-sword-tar Easter egg, Homestar starts waving a SAAB Lighter (a variant of Strong Bad's BMW Lighter) while Strong Bad performs, a reference to how concert audiences traditionally hold up lighters and candles during slow songs.

From: portrait
Posted on: 18:17, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

Arguments for:

  • It's true that Homestar's action emulates that of concert audiences.

Arguments against:

  • This fact really isn't all that important to point out.
  • Every joke and action does not require an explanation.

Additional comments:

  • This fact may need to be rewritten.
    • NOTE: This item has now been reworded. The rewording incorporates both the BMW Lighter reference and mentions the concert tradition.
      • Note also that the rewording was originally proposed as a full revision. The revision, however, was identical in substance to the original wording, and therefore it was not necessary to set up a separate vote but rather just to fix the original.
  • Should it be listed in this article or in the running gag page on the BMW Lighter?
    • It seems appropriate to mention it in this article, as this is the most direct reference (so far) to that tradition. It wasn't nearly as obvious in guitar, and Strong Bad's use of the Lighter in other toons doesn't have much to do with music.
  • We have a tradition of not explaining the joke, unless there is a good chance a lot of people won't get it. Does this really rise to that level?
  • For all we know, this could be a reference to Strong Bad holding up the BMW lighter during guitar. It's too vague, and not extremley uncommon.
    • True, but I think both cases really are references to the concert-going tradition. The question is whether it needs to be pointed out.
      • Most people are aware of the lighter-during-ballad tradition. H*R newcomers, however, may not be aware of the BMW lighter at all, which is really what makes the joke for us fans. It's the BMW Lighter that needs to be linked to in a Fun Fact, perhaps while mentioning guitar.
        • There's a mention of the BMW Lighter in Remarks, though I think it should be moved to and combined with a rewrite of this fact in Inside References.
  • I think it should be referenced somewhere. I mean, you never know what someone might not understand. Maybe this page, maybe the lighter's page, maybe guitar's page... As long as it's mentioned for those unenlightened.
    • Actually, it's already mentioned in the transcript for guitar, so I think it's fine as is.
  • If this is accepted, I believe we should remove the "BMW Lighter" mention in Remarks, and that this reference should go in Real-World References.


Votes to accept: Votes to decline:
  1. — talk Bubsty edits
  2. DorianGray
  3. ♥ teeeffoh!
  4. — Elcool (talk)(contribs)
  5. — Image:kskunk_fstandby.gif KieferSkunk (talk) —
  6. The Thnikkaman
  7. אוקאלייליי (Ookelaylay)
  8. DEI DAT VM┌datvm center\super contra┘
  9. Thekillerdynamo
  1. Mycroft Holmes
  2. Swimma Dan
  3. —GWR_Wikisig.gifGWR 2004 TalkContribs
  4. Trey56
  5. Alcnolien
  6. Trelawney
  7. I R F
  8. D2htornado
  9. M Moogle
  10. NFITC1
  11. Lekonua
  12. Jay (Gobble)
  13. Heimstern Läufer
  14. Geshmalder

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[edit] What's Black and White and Read All Over

The black-and-white portrait of Strong Bad is a "hedcut", a type of drawing developed by and used in The Wall Street Journal (which is probably the "rich-guy newspaper" he was referring to).

From: portrait
Posted on: 04:17, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

Arguments for:

  • The WSJ does in fact provide illustrations like that, or at least used to.
  • It's very clearly a reference to the WSJ. Check the Wikipedia article and also the article on hedcuts, this exact style of portrait that was pioneered by the WSJ.

Arguments against:

Additional comments:

  • This is not limited to the Wall Street Journal, it should be changed to reflect that it's a usual occurance in most major newspapers.
    • Disagreement: Can you name these other newspapers that use the same illustration style? Virtually every other major newspaper uses actual photos, not hand-drawn illustrations.
  • What "rich-guy newspaper," other than WSJ, would fit this description?
    • If my head is straight, then I believe most Newspapers used to do this before they could print photos in the paper.
    • The first "rich-guy newspaper" that comes to my mind other than the WSJ is the New York Times, but I believe they use photos, not drawings. (I couldn't tell you for sure, as I don't read either on a regular basis.)
      • I can tell you for sure they don't.
  • Noting the reference to "hedcuts" in Args For: I think we should add a mention of what kind of drawing that is to the fact, either in the fact itself or as a sub-bullet. (I vote for the sub-bullet, personally: "This type of drawing is called a hedcut.")
    • Seconded. And, rather than propose a revision, given recent discussion of them, revis'd accordingly.
      • Note that what you did was to reword (rather than revise) the item, since you didn't change the underlying meaning. Changes like this are perfectly acceptable and the right course of action in this case. (The addition is still subject to consensus, of course, but it doesn't need its own new vote table.)


Votes to accept: Votes to decline:
  1. — Image:kskunk_fstandby.gif KieferSkunk (talk) —
  2. — talk Bubsty edits
  3. DorianGray
  4. Spell4yr
  5. Terlet Brush
  6. Trelawney
  7. I R F
  8. ♥ teeeffoh!
  9. Mycroft Holmes
  10. — It's dot com
  11. — Elcool (talk)(contribs)
  12. AbdiViklas
  13. — User:ACupOfCoffee@
  14. Ju Ju Master
  15. NFITC1
  16. arrow4.PNG~Rebecca~ RJMT speaker-noise.gif
  17. —GWR_Wikisig.gifGWR 2004 TalkContribs
  18. Heimstern Läufer
  19. Lekonua
  20. אוקאלייליי (Ookelaylay)

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