User:It's dot com/STUFF reform
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The situation
STUFF is a mess. Everybody knows it. Everybody knows it's true.
Click here to see how I think it should look.
Some people think STUFF should be eliminated in favor of talk pages, but I think a central location for fun fact decisions serves a valuable purpose: First, it's convenient to keep track of several facts at once, and because of that there is more consistency between facts on different pages.
I've given a lot of thought to how STUFF can be improved. I identified what I thought the biggest problems were and created a new format to correct them. Then I tested the format by applying it to some facts currently open.
Click on these links to skip down to the source code for a sample fact, followed by the new format. At the bottom are some real-world examples.
Problems I identified
- It's difficult to easily see where one discussion ends and the next begins.
- It's sometimes difficult to tell which votes have just started and which are about to close.
- The lack of structure has allowed the page to degrade to little more than a forum where discussion is haphazard and redundant, and denigrating personal attacks are rife and rampant.
- It's hard to tabulate the votes.
Proposed solutions
- Each fact will be isolated in its own section. Each section will alternate colors from one to the next, and the fact itself will be highlighted within the section.
- Each fun-fact canditate will be placed chronologically at the top of the page, without regard to the page from which it came. The page title and the time and date the fact was posted will be featured prominently.
- All the arguments for and against a fact, as well as comments, will be grouped together. Users who have nothing useful to add to the discussion will be encouraged to merely vote and move on.
- The votes will be user names only. They will be grouped at the bottom and numbered.
Version 2
I have resolved several issues from my first attempt:
- The overall format is much easier to use.
- Specialized signatures work.
- We now have a method to revise the fact.
The new format
Source code
Here is the source code that will go on the STUFF page:
<div class="stuffgray"> OR <div class="stuffblue"> (these style definitions will need to be set up)
===Item Title===
{{stufffact|The STUFF'd fact}}
{{stuffdata|[[page title]]|~~~~~}}
{{stuffargsfor}} |
*First argument. |---(optional)
*Second argument. |
{{stuffargsagainst}} |
*First argument against. |---(optional)
*Second argument. |
{{stuffcomments}} |
*First comment. |---(optional)
*Second comment. |
{{stuffaccept}}
#[[User:First user|First user]]
#[[User:Second user|Second user]]
{{stuffdecline}}
#[[User:Third user|Third user]]
#[[User:Fourth user|Fourth user]]
{stuffendvotes}}
{{stuffrevise|The revised fact}} |
|
{{stuffargsfor}} |
*First argument. |
*Second argument. |
|
{{stuffargsagainst}} |
*First argument against. |
*Second argument. |
|
{{stuffcomments}} |---(optional)
*First comment. |
*Second comment. |
|
{{stuffaccept}} |
#[[User:First user|First user]] |
#[[User:Second user|Second user]] |
{{stuffdecline}} |
#[[User:Third user|Third user]] |
#[[User:Fourth user|Fourth user]] |
{stuffendvotes}} |
</div>
The code above makes use of several templates.
The new format
Item Title
From: page title
Posted on: 20:44, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
Arguments for:
- First argument for.
- Second argument.
Arguments against:
- First argument against.
- Second argument.
Additional comments:
- First comment.
- Second comment.
| Votes to accept: | Votes to decline: |
|---|---|
Proposed revision:
Arguments for:
- First argument for.
- Second argument.
Arguments against:
- First argument against.
- Second argument.
Additional comments:
- First comment.
- Second comment.
| Votes to accept: | Votes to decline: |
|---|---|
Real-world examples
Alternative vs. Hair Metal
From: best thing
Posted on: 20:44, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
Arguments against:
- Way too much info. Perhaps condense this info by taking out the social commentary (basically everything after "by the early 1990s") and just stick to facts like "Smashing Pumpkins had 2 female bassists."
- Anyone who understands the joke about Limozeen being a hair metal band probably is already aware of the Alternative takeover of the early 90s. This item is simply explaining the joke—which was a weak one to begin with.
| Votes to accept: | Votes to decline: |
|---|---|
Proposed revision:
Arguments for:
- This needs to be mentioned, because not everyone knows about exactly what happened.
| Votes to accept: | Votes to decline: |
|---|---|
To "T" or not to "T"?
From: cheat talk
Posted on: 02:35, 11 May 2005 (UTC)
Arguments for:
- It's true and we note it in other very rare cases when it happens.
- A mistake on SB's part; definetly a goof.
- It is part of The Cheat's name, and to not capitalize it would be like not capitalizing any of our names.
Arguments against:
- TBC make mistakes sometimes, we don't need to go after every piddling little detail.
- Save goofs for when it really matters, like in Radio where part of Strong Sad's shirt dissapears.
- The author of the email referred to The Cheat as "the Cheat" twice. Strong Bad is making fun of the author.
- I don't find the fact that Strong Bad forgot to hit a shift key once in one e-mail particularly "fun".
| Votes to accept: | Votes to decline: |
|---|---|
Strong Bad referencing Lucky?
From: labor day
Posted on: 17:43, 11 May 2005 (UTC)
Arguments against:
- AH! COULD BE!
- The Trix rabbit doesn't want to be caught by the kids; Barney doesn't want to be caught by Fred Flintstone while he's stealing Fred's Fruity Pebbles. So there's at least two other things he could be referencing, if it even is a reference, which I'm not so sure it is.
Additional comments:
- Why does Strong Bad say this if its not a reference?
| Votes to accept: | Votes to decline: |
|---|---|
Elijah Wood
From: Bug in Mouth Disease
Posted on: 17:09, 11 May 2005 (UTC)
Arguments for:
- Many people like "strange but true" facts.
- You wouldn't expect to find the picture using that particular search.
- It's almost the very first result.
- Elijah Wood is well known.
- The picture is kinda creepy, qualifying as "nothing pleasant".
Arguments against:
- Not particularly relevant to H*R.
- Intriguing as it may be, this simply isn't the place for it.
- "It's kinda weird" is not enough reason to include it.
| Votes to accept: | Votes to decline: |
|---|---|
Whom made a mistake?
From: Bug in Mouth Disease
Posted on: 09:37, 11 May 2005 (UTC)
Arguments for:
- This is true and worthy of note.
- The grammatical use of "whom" isn't exactly widely known, and while most will realize that it's wrong, they may not get WHY its wrong.
- Not every joke requires an explanation, but this is worth a mention.
- Strong Bad is famous for his anal-retentive attitudes on grammar yet he does not react to this common mistake.
Arguments against:
- TBC were probably under the impression that we should already know this, as that's the joke; it's pretty obvious.
| Votes to accept: | Votes to decline: |
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