User:It's dot com/STUFF reform

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[edit] The situation

Take a look a the old STUFF. It was a jumbled mess, and in real danger of being scrapped altogether. I created this page to propose a new format, and that design went live on June 17, 2005, a month to the day after I first wrote up my idea. Yay! What follows is the archive of my STUFF proposal:

Click here to see how I think it should look.

Some people think STUFF should be eliminated in favor of talk pages, but I think a central location for fun fact decisions serves a valuable purpose: First, it's convenient to keep track of several facts at once, and because of that there is more consistency between facts on different pages.

I've given a lot of thought to how STUFF can be improved. I identified what I thought the biggest problems were and created a new format to correct them. Then I tested the format by applying it to some facts currently open.

Click on these links to skip down to the source code for a sample fact, followed by the new format. At the bottom are some real-world examples.

[edit] Problems I identified

• It's difficult to easily see where one discussion ends and the next begins.
• It's sometimes difficult to tell which votes have just started and which are about to close.
• The lack of structure has allowed the page to degrade to little more than a forum where discussion is haphazard and redundant, and denigrating personal attacks are rife and rampant.
• It's hard to tabulate the votes.

[edit] Proposed solutions

• Each fact will be isolated in its own section. Each section will alternate colors from one to the next, and the fact itself will be highlighted within the section.
• Each fun-fact canditate will be placed chronologically at the top of the page, without regard to the page from which it came. The page title and the time and date the fact was posted will be featured prominently.
• All the arguments for and against a fact, as well as comments, will be grouped together. Users who have nothing useful to add to the discussion will be encouraged to merely vote and move on.
• The votes will be user names only. They will be grouped at the bottom and numbered.

[edit] Version 2

I have resolved several issues from my first attempt:

• The overall format is much easier to use.
• Specialized signatures work.
• We now have a method to revise the fact.

[edit] The new format

[edit] Source code

Here is the source code that will go on the STUFF page:

{{stuffbegingray}} OR {{stuffbeginblue}}
===Item Title===
{{stufffact|The STUFF'd fact}}
{{stuffdata|[[page title]]|~~~~~}}

{{stuffargsfor}}          |
*First argument.          |---(optional)
*Second argument.         |

{{stuffargsagainst}}      |
*First argument against.  |---(optional)
*Second argument.         |

{{stuffcomments}}         |
*First comment.           |---(optional)
*Second comment.          |

{{stuffaccept}}
#[[User:First user|First user]]
#[[User:Second user|Second user]]
{{stuffdecline}}
#[[User:Third user|Third user]]
#[[User:Fourth user|Fourth user]]
{stuffendvotes}}

{{stuffrevise|The revised fact}}        |
                                        |
{{stuffargsfor}}                        |
*First argument.                        |
*Second argument.                       |
                                        |
{{stuffargsagainst}}                    |
*First argument against.                |
*Second argument.                       |
                                        |
{{stuffcomments}}                       |---(optional)
*First comment.                         |
*Second comment.                        |
                                        |
{{stuffaccept}}                         |
#[[User:First user|First user]]         |
#[[User:Second user|Second user]]       |
{{stuffdecline}}                        |
#[[User:Third user|Third user]]         |
#[[User:Fourth user|Fourth user]]       |
{stuffendvotes}}                        |

{{stuffend}}

The code above makes use of several templates.

[edit] The proposed format

[edit] Real-world examples

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