Talk:Two More Eggs

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Individual episode pages?

Would it make sense to start making pages for each episode, with transcripts and Fun Facts and the like? We have a transcript of the one cartoon they did for Mellow Mushroom, and this show — unlike their work on, say, Gravity Falls or Aquabats — is entirely the Brothers Chaps' creation and feels very much like a Homestar Runner spinoff, complete with very blatant callbacks right down to the title. It's not like anyone is going to want to make a separate wiki just for it. Octan 20:37, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

Ugh. I hadn't heard about this. I don't like it. Dear God I hope it doesn't become a show. I was hoping the hiatus was finally over. --BroncoTroll^☺ 21:27, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

Anyway, no, there are clearly similarities with HR (running gag wise) but I don't think transcripts should be included. It's property of Disney, unlike HR, which I believe has some sort of creative commons license. --BroncoTroll^☺ 21:33, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

And 40 toons for 40 weeks? They haven't done that on hr since like 2003. --BroncoTroll^☺ 22:34, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

The difference between TME and H*R is that Disney is directly funded The Brothers Chaps to make it. It's not that TBC hate us, but it was rough to make a maybe 2 minute cartoon every week in 2002, when your only income was maybe merchandise that people probably bought. - Catjaz63 00:56, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

We could totally make a Two More Eggs Wiki spinoff, but the amount of work it would take and the hoopla with the admins would probably result in me dead. - Catjaz63 01:31, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

Also, (don't kill me), I watched it and I don't think it's very good. Cute and sporadically funny, but each episode is so short that they never really flush out to make a satisfying 'toon. The different styles are cool and all, but right now it feels lacking in purpose and direction. The main character's (if it can be called that) catchphrase is "helloshe". Vector Strong Bad anyone? Personally, I don't like that it recycles this HR trope-they should diversify while retaining their distinctive style, it's the hallmark of comedic talent. For the most part they do this but not enough to make it feel organically developed. Anyway, maybe I'm just being passive aggressive (or active aggressive) because they're selling out to the man.--BroncoTroll^☺ 03:52, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

The Brothers Chaps had a development deal a few years back, and they said that one of the things in the deal was to create a pilot for a show. TBC have been doing H*R for nearly 10 years, give them a break. Just because they're not doing content you like shouldn't mean you start bickering about what they create. - Catjaz63 03:57, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

I'm not bickering. I'm critiquing their work. I can do that. My point is that I've bought their stuff and watched their stuff for 12 years. I know I'm not a billion dollar company so it feels like they don't really even care about me. --BroncoTroll^☺ 04:07, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

The theme song is awesome though. Insanely catchy. --BroncoTroll^☺ 04:24, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

This conversation has gone way off topic. The question isn't whether we like it or not, it's whether we should document it or not. The answer is no. TBC themselves don't mind us documenting their work, and even think it's cool that we do. Disney on the other hand is pretty aggressive about its copyrights and would not be happy if we kept a large number of screenshots, full transcripts, etc. for these like we do for H*R toons. This is not H*R content. It should not be documented as if it were. I don't have an issue with having a fun facts section which, when they do something which is an inside reference, says which toon it was in and what the reference was, but to have a whole series of separate pages? No. — Defender1031*Talk 07:19, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

Full transcripts? No no no no, Bob. I know my legalististiticsiticities from Litigation Jackson and I know that's in the No-Zone. But yeah, it should stay one page and one page only. - Catjaz63 10:02, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

By the way, we need to get around to listing the H*R references in TME. Just even some similarities, as there are some running gags in H*R that're in TME. (to a slightly lesser extent) - Catjaz63 10:44, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

Didn't I say that? Before I tangented off I mean? Yeah, unless we want to get hit with the "Non specific More Eggs" (what the crap that didn't come out well) we shouldn't mess with a massive corp like the Disney. --BroncoTroll^☺ 16:02, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

And Cat, what do you mean? Like list all running gags (like singular instead of plural in HotDip? Or direct references? --BroncoTroll^☺ 16:04, 18 August 2015 (UTC) Anyway, I think the series is growin on me.

I don't think generic running gags like that, but things like distinctive running gags. Gags that you would find only in TBC content usually. (which there aren't many of) - Catjaz63 16:27, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

Oh, in the one with the driver some guy says "Stevie Twice Times". That's distinctively Chap. --BroncoTroll^☺ 16:41, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

I don't see why not to list the ones like SIoP also... And the determination of "distinctive running gags" is pretty subjective. — Defender1031*Talk 17:00, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

In the theme song video there's a box labelled "A tip!" and in the hot dip one the description says "mineral" and some other stuff. --BroncoTroll^☺ 19:16, 18 August 2015 (UTC) Meanwhile, I was wondering if there was a way to separate nondescript nouns like "A sport!" from ones like "that paintball place down the street". They seem to be distinctish gags. --BroncoTroll^☺ 19:16, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

Like, how specific should we get? Should we include references to generic objects with pages? Also, the most recent toon she says "here on planet This Planet". --BroncoTroll^☺ 19:18, 18 August 2015 (UTC) And I'm wondering, does Matt do all of the voices? That's pretty impressive, considering how many "new" voices there are. Like for example with the ccdos some of the characters started to sound alike, like Swampslash who sounds a lot like Sbro. --BroncoTroll^☺ 19:21, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

Transcripts? Well....

And there's a lot of Duplicate Characters, like in the theme song video and the driver. --BroncoTroll^☺ 19:25, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

And it's cool that they do the CGI style too. Lots of new tricks being used. And that cloud thing sounds like someone, but I can't remember who. --BroncoTroll^☺ 19:31, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

You must be referring to Arlington. His voice reminds me of Rumble Red. I'd like to figure out which voices in Two More Eggs match the ones from the Homestar Runner body of work. Dooble definitely has some Homsar. --Charlie Jr. 20:03, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

And in hot dip "minus two plus G" resembles "I can count to G!". Where should I put these obswervations? --BroncoTroll^☺ 19:32, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

Should we mention the similar sound effects? --BroncoTroll^☺ 19:33, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

"Trauncles" uses a similar style to A Folky Tale, and obviously it uses Commonwealth English. --BroncoTroll^☺ 19:36, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

And there's a lot of Identity confusion and gender confusion. --BroncoTroll^☺ 19:37, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

Am I the only one who clicked the timer in "cake show" because it looked like the outline when you press tab for an easter egg? It was hilarious. --BroncoTroll^☺ 19:39, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

And I found Hector saying "Oooh Ahhh" to be eerily similar to homestar saying it in Happy Fireworks. --BroncoTroll^☺ 19:53, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

Also, "so cool a phrase book" in driver is similar to "so cool a flash" and "so cool an email". --BroncoTroll^☺ 19:59, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

Is there even a point to me saying this? --BroncoTroll^☺ 20:02, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

Yes, there are quite a few references. They should be listed on the page itself, not here. (Perhaps as sub-bullets of each episode?) — Defender1031*Talk 20:25, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

Yes, I meant Arlington, and yes, I meant Rumble Red. --BroncoTroll^☺ 03:24, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

And the Trauncles guy sounds a lot like Flashfight. --BroncoTroll^☺ 04:24, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

We could make something like this on the page:

Similarities to Homestar Runner

Inside References

• Dooble's tip box in "Dooble: Dooblie Doo" says "A TIP!" on it.
  • One of the ingredients of Hot Dip is mineral.
• The boy in "Hot Dip: Not 4 Momz!" has the math question "minus 2 plus G".
• In "Dooble: The Driver", Dooble is driving and another Dooble is in the back of the car.
  • One of the characters is named Stevie Twice Times.
  • And Dooble's book, "So Cool A Phrase Book", is similar to So Cool A Flash and So Cool An Email.
• In "Dooble: Cake Show", Dooble calls Linda "David".

Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 17:09, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

Nice organization. --BroncoTroll^☺ 19:16, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

I don't think such a presentation is very organized at all. I'd much rather have the references broken down by episode. — Defender1031*Talk 19:31, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

So, something like this? (Obviously minus the completely bogus and silly references, which would be replaced with legitimate references to Homestar Runner and not Purple Wrench) - Catjaz63 03:02, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

I changed it a bit, so that the "Shorts" and the "Similarities to Homestar Runner" section were seperate. Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 03:56, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

I'm not sure i'd separate the sections. I'd suggest just putting the references directly as sub-bullets under the episode' entries in the list themselves and making the heading something like "Episodes and their Homestar Runner References" or something. — Defender1031*Talk 10:07, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

New Page Design

I think we should do something like this. It's a good way to organize the page better, and we have a section for H*R references. Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 03:04, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

Halosche? Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 03:56, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

Halosche! Welcome to the Homestar Runner Wiki: An active Wiki and lots of people that discuss articles. And by lots I mean about 3 people. But seriously, I really like your layout a lot more than our current one, so I guess we could put it in if people agree on it. (Maybe 3-4 people?) - Catjaz63 05:01, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

I think it's lookin' a-pretty-pretty good! — Defender1031*Talk 06:20, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

Hey, thanks! Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 23:41, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

Does anyone disagree with this idea? If not, we put it on the page. (Extra sauce!) Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 00:05, 4 December 2015 (UTC)

I like this one! I agree. (BTW: The Brown Boats trailer was a Hector & Kovitch one, and the educational benefits parody was something called "Jamble Bears".) AnimaRiley 06:55, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

So now that's 3 people who agree with this idea. Should we put it on the page? Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 02:12, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

Now that all the episodes of Season 1 are released, should we change the page to this? Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 00:12, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

That was a very subtle plug! Seriously, though, I think your design is better for the page, mostly because it's more detailed. Something tells me it won't be the prevailing opinion, though, since this show isn't Homestar Runner. -- ■■   PURPLE  WRENCH   ■■ 01:25, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

I like the table layout a lot better as well. Go for it. — Defender1031*Talk 13:43, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

Delete

Personally, I feel like this page should be outright deleted. Two More Eggs really has nothing to do with Homestar Runner whatsoever. While an argument could be made that Mellow Mushroom also has nothing to do with Homestar Runner, I don't think that page should be on this wiki either. "Inside References" refers to references made about Homestar Runner running gags within the universe. A reference to a Homestar gag made outside the universe is not an inside reference, and actually belongs on Television Sightings. Documentation of anything regarding Two More Eggs is outside the scope of this wiki, and if TME should be covered in a wiki environment, it should be on its own wiki. I would add a {{TBD}} tag if I had the audacity, but I would first like to see the opinions of other people. — MichaelXX2 17:24, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

As much as I hate to say it, I think you're right. I don't want to see the page go, and maybe it could remain as a userpage for the time being... but it really doesn't belong here. I would actually like to see a separate "Other stuff by The Brothers Chaps Wiki" (only with a better name, of course), and it would include as much information as possible about the side projects that don't involve Homestar (assuming copyright permits). So it could have a page for every episode of Two More Eggs, Mellow Mushroom, Figure Eight, every issue of Ron Planet, every issue of Cosmic Scoundrels, the Paul and Storm Holiday Special, and so on. Plus, it could have transcripts for all the stuff on Thorax Corporation (including the stuff they added in the past five years; what's up with that anyway?), including the heretofore ignored lyrics to the MP3s besides Poot-Slap. That way, if Two More Eggs only has one season but then Matt and Mike create another Disney show, it won't require another wiki each time.

That said, someone else would have to spearhead it. And please get its own domain name, or at least "otherstuff.hrwiki.org" — sites like wikia are just annoying... -- ■■   PURPLE  WRENCH   ■■ 19:38, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

I disagree. We don't document TBC's other projects as extensively, but we do document them a little. We should have a single page on it, but we should limit it to this one single page. I think this is especially true of TME given just how many themes and gags it shares with H*R. — Defender1031*Talk 18:17, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

If this page is to be kept, I believe it should be something simple and scaled-back that only briefly touches on this project. We should definitely not keep a list of every time Dooble says "times" idiosyncratically, especially not calling it an "inside reference." It should honestly just be moved to a single sentence on the side projects page. I'm just concerned that if we have a page for every show TBC produce, this will become the The Brothers Chaps wiki. — MichaelXX2 19:30, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

I don't understand why you want to reduce the content on the page; the page's content is fine. It outlines its similarities to Homestar Runner and gives a rundown on each of the episodes. (And eventually a list of similarities to Homestar Runner.) Also, the main reason this has a page is because Two More Eggs is being made exclusively by The Brothers Chaps, which is why Mellow Mushroom and Thorax Corp. also have pages. (Besides going through S&P and the censors I suppose) - Catjaz63 20:32, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

The reason I want to reduce the content of the page (and move it elsewhere) is because this isn't the Two More Eggs wiki, nor is it the Brothers Chaps wiki. This is the Homestar Runner wiki, and I don't think it's appropriate to extensively document a show that has nothing to do with Homestar Runner on this wiki. We have a page for non-Homestar content and it is The Brothers Chaps' Side Projects. — MichaelXX2 20:53, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

As pointed out by catjaz, we extensively document both thorax and mellow mushroom, limited to a single page, but still documented thoroughly. I don't see why this should be any different. — Defender1031*Talk 21:02, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

I concede that the precedent set by Thorax Corp. and Mellow Mushroom lends this page to existing. However, what do we do when TBC make more distinct cartoon shows and things unrelated to Homestar Runner? — MichaelXX2 21:11, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

<Following the previous precedent? We'd document them as much as a single page and copyright laws will allow. — Defender1031*Talk 21:21, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

We extensively document Thorax Corp, but the equivalent of that is providing a transcript for every episode — and I don't know if that belongs here. In addition, both Thorax Corp and Mellow Mushroom are documented in a way that I'd call "thorough yet incomplete". The fact that we don't have more than one or two pages for each isn't the issue; it's the fact that each one seems to leave out a lot of information, but putting that information in feels excessive. So while I think the previous precedent could work for now (maybe not transcripts though), it just seems like all the side projects are left to rot this way. (And I point to the Paul and Storm Holiday Special as something that should have a page here if TME does.) Now, if there was a separate wiki as I mentioned earlier, it could delve into much more detail. Character pages, inside jokes, transcripts where legally possible, etc. And then on this wiki we could limit the TME page to a brief summary and then a list of similarities to Homestar Runner, along with a link to the other wiki. -- ■■   PURPLE  WRENCH   ■■ 02:31, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

The elephant in the room here is that creating another wiki would lead to these side projects "rotting" more there than they do here. The remaining fanbase of Homestar Runner and indeed, the remaining userbase of this wiki is not large enough to be splintered into another separate wiki dedicated exclusively to TBC's side projects. A handful of side forums and "wiki user wikis" and other spinoffs suggest that it would not be viable in the long term. — MichaelXX2 18:19, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

I'd like to remind you that this topic is for the discussion of whether or not to keep the page on the wiki, not about having a separate Wiki for TBC side-projects. (Which I don't agree with the idea of) If you want to discuss another Wiki, consider moving it to another topic or moving it to the side projects talk page. This is getting sidetracked. - Catjaz63 20:12, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

Assuming that this is the only wiki for TBC's projects, this page should stay and be covered in much more detail. But that goes for some of the other side projects too. -- ■■   PURPLE  WRENCH   ■■ 22:02, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

Halosche, senor magnificent! ...I think this page shouldn't be deleted. The writing, humor and animation of Two More Eggs is similar to Homestar Runner, and I don't see any good reason to delete a perfectly good wiki page. Yes, this is a Homestar Runner wiki, but that doesn't mean we can't document things that the Homestar Runner creators made. I agree with all the people who like this page. Also, I created the page.
*Want to Keep the Page: Catjaz, DeFender1031, Me
*Want to Delete the Page: MichaelXX2 (and no one else)
*Both? : Purple Wrench

Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 22:53, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

The idea of slimming the page down if another site had more details didn't occur to me before my comment at 02:31. I never wanted to see the page go, I just thought it was the most logical option at first. So I'm clarifying that my stance is to keep it either way. -- ■■   PURPLE  WRENCH   ■■ 23:46, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

*Want to Keep the Page: Catjaz, DeFender1031, Gfdgsgxgzdrc, Purple Wrench
*Want to Delete the Page: MichaelXX2 (and no one else)
*Both? : Purple Wrench

Updated list shows a 4:1 ratio on keeping. And due to the low amount of active editors on the Wiki, I think this counts as a keep. - Catjaz63 20:52, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

I think that this page is okay, but my Two More Eggs Wiki (which apparently, to none my knowledge, was added as a link on the page a while ago...) could be the main place for this information if you guys don't want to keep this page. AnimaRiley 03:44, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

Release Dates and other time-type hits

Just to clarify, the standard Two More Eggs publishing schedule is 12:00 AM EST on Tuesdays, so it can appear to be published a day early for most people west of Georgia. (I don't know how the publishing date on YT works, but I'm assuming it's rounded to your timezone or based on YT's west-coast timezone) - Catjaz63 01:34, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

We need hamster paste!

Are we sure that TBC are the ones writing the descriptions for youtube? (And If not, do we care?) I'm starting to suspect not, as they're not the sort to usually make this kind of glaring mistake, which could only be made by someone not familiar with Cake Show. It's not a hamster who had his paste stolen! It's a gopher! Gopher paste! Not hamster paste! Ahem. Anyway, even if it's not TBC writing the descriptions, should they still be included anyway, as they are "official"? Also, are we doing a remarks-type section on these where this comment would fit? Did no one else even notice this? Am I being weird and just going on for way too long in this comment about a non-Homestar TBC production that no one really cares about? Probably. End of comment. — Defender1031*Talk 18:37, 25 June 2016 (UTC)

I always thought it was Disney writing the descriptions. They just sort of seemed... un-TBC-like. For example: "Dooble sings his signature theme song while exploring the world and going on many adventures. His life is a joy box!" Also, in "She Whispered", the band's name is Beard-antler, but the description says "Beard-Antler", with a capital A. I guess we can put these in the trivia section or something. Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 19:43, 25 June 2016 (UTC)

Yeah, I agree— my guess has always been that they're the XD's descriptions. They're too uncreative to be The Brothers Chaps. And yeah, that's a good idea— we should write the mistakes/inconsistencies in Trivia. Those kinds of Facts are always Fun. Lira (talk) 12:19, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

I think we should definitely list the descriptions and mention the inconsistencies. However, I would like to note that the descriptions also vary by region. The UK versions all have totally different descriptions, for example ("I think you should go and buy that game Kovitch..."). That blurs the line indicating which one is "official" (although the US one is most likely, just because both Disney and TBC operate out primarily out of the US). So would it make sense to also list all of the unique non-US descriptions? -- ■■   PURPLE  WRENCH   ■■ 14:16, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

Least Greatest Caper Ever

Turns out somebody copy+pasted our article straight to the Wikipedias. How interesting. - Catjaz63 22:56, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

We need to figure out how to write a Wikipedia article...like...without having to actually write a Wikipedia article! -- ■■   PURPLE  WRENCH   ■■ 23:24, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

They also copied some of the TV Tropes article. RickTommy (edits) 00:59, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

Qblepon: Orixinal 90'X

would the aforementioned cartoon's title sequence be similar to Xeriouxly Forxe's sequence? at least the part where each of the characters shown are switched to more detailed drawings of themselves?

Yeah, I think you're right. The fact that it's called "original 90's" combined with the characters being zapped into cooler versions of themselves... definitely. Someone even made a reference to that in a comment on that video. It definitely has more to do with Xeriouxly Forxe than with 20X6. Lira (talk) 01:23, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

General References - Voice Similarities?

Several of the items in the "General References" section have to do with characters having similar voices to characters in the HR universe. I don't think that these are noteworthy. They're all voiced by the same actor, so there's naturally going to be some resemblance. There's no reason to assume it's deliberate, and it's not particularly unexpected. Does anyone else think those items should be removed from the list? - 24.197.125.240 02:10, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

Yes. I also think that most of the other references should go - that is to say, anything TME references that H*R just happens to as well, as opposed to TME blatantly referencing H*R. RickTommy (edits) 02:37, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

I disagree. The voices are clearly Matt doing the same style for the same type of character, and it's notable when they reference the same thing, because it's an indication that TBC like to reference the same things in their other works that they do in H*R. — Defender1031*Talk 08:57, 2 February 2017 (UTC)