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Technical junk

I'm kinda miffed that someone removed my comment about the broken JPEG icon being from Mozilla. I thought it was interesting. Oh well. And this sentence about Linux--The name is often thrown around as a buzzword by those who do not know what it is, which explains Strong Bad's absolutely random use of the name--sounds rather pompous, even condescending. ~ Aero 11:44, 16 Nov 2004 (MST)

You would expect a red X, with The Brothers Chaps being M$IE users. -woddfellow2 16:09, 16 Nov 2004 (MST)

maybe not, maybe they just assume that most of their fans use ie and thats why they always make the webpages appear like ie error pages. -Clever Dan

Mac popup?

Is the thing explaining how the Mac OS X popup looks really necessary? Why wouldn't it be otherwise? And complete with a screenshot? No offence, just seems kinda obvious. ~ Aero 19:56, 15 Nov 2004 (MST)

I'm more bothered by it not being a thumbnail, as is seemingly standard nowadays.
Also... about this line:
"It also seems to be able to evade pop-up blockers. Uh oh, don't let the ad companies find out about this..."
What pop-up blocker are you using? Both SP2 and Google blocked the pop-up until I told them to trust HSR.com, so that doesn't hold true. At all. Shadow Hog 20:45, 15 Nov 2004 (MST)
Aero has brought up a good point here-- the needless screenshot seems to make this already long article (mainly due to the long transcript) even longer. The fact that Mac OS X displays popups with a different bar across the top would be justified if, on The System Is Down or Not the 100th Email!!!, there were a discussion on how "This Page Cannot Be Displayed" only applies to people using the Internet Explorer browser. The overall point being the TBC most likely chose to display popups in the style that they did expecting the most number of users to be using the aforementioned browser (along with Windows). And of course there are going to be users of other browsers and operating systems. I'm sure most of us can agree that we are able to imagine what the differences may be without the need for a screenshot. --Teh P. 22:35, 15 Nov 2004 (MST)
I'm of the opinion that the Mac OS X thing doesn't belong. It just doesn't seem all that important. I mean, I noticed it was a popup window right away due to my using WinXP, but I didn't create a fun fact about it. The image just makes it worse, on top of things. --TheNintenGenius 22:18, 15 Nov 2004 (MST)

Name of file?

Do we really need the name of the "Making out with Marzipan" file in the Fun Facts? I mean, it's being linked to already, and I don't recall things like that being in the Fun Facts for any other e-mail...

Wow

Strange, he wasn't nearly as dramatic when the Tandy exploded. And he pretty much threw it away after a while. This e-mail has "new computer" written all over it.

I get the impression that the Tandy was just some computer he happened to have, maybe he just inherited it from someone else or something, whereas the Compy 386 was something he specifically went out and got, himself, to replace the Tandy. So he's bound to have more emotional attachment to it. --sekhmet, 2004.11.19 20:36GMT
Actually, Strong Sad says in gimmicks that SB bought the Tandy at a garage sale for $15... But also the Tandy's demise was a freak occurance AND he patched it back up to work (for better or worse) two e-mails later, whereas Compy's demise was at the hands of someone specifically (Bubs) and was beyond repair (though if you think about, after gimmicks, the Tandy wasn't in such great shape either...) --TheEggman 21:34, 24 Jan 2005 (MST)
Strong Sad didn't say that SB bought the Tandy for $15 - he said that SB COULD buy a computer LIKE the Tandy for $15. Technically, we don't know where or when he got the Tandy. --Jay 21:49, 24 Jan 2005 (MST)
I sit corrected. I guess I always heard it the other way.--TheEggman 22:56, 25 Jan 2005 (MST)
Well...He has answered more e-mails with the Compy...--Omega

Just a heads up...

I've noticed that in previous e-mails that they've singled out occasions where everyone was used. This one come's close so I was wondering if anyone spotted Homsar besides the little Strong Mad sound effect.

Not I, and it doesn't matter anyway - Pom-Pom is absent as well. - Jay

Slight correction

I think Strongbad's line early on in the email is "Like the kind that mobs in offshore casinos send you?", not Moms. Makes more sense anyway, since mobs have been rumored to run, among other things, casinos, and though the idea of mobs distributing viruses is absurd, it pokes fun at the misinformation and paranioa most people have concerning viruses.

I thought about that, but I listened to it a few times and it still kind of sounded like "moms," so I just left it in. --TheNintenGenius 22:15, 15 Nov 2004 (MST)
Actually, "moms" and "offshore casinos" together do make sense. Appearantly, you haven't seen nearly as much spam as I have. ;) --Pidgeot 16:15, 16 Nov 2004 (CET)
Agreed... the "moms" in question are probably not very computer-savvy and would not be aware that they are sending viruses to people in their address book, such as their kids. -- Kamek 20:47, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

Denny's Menu

Now that Compy is more or less gone, shouldn't there be a new sbemail menu? Didn't they do this with Tandy?

Well No Name, they can't do it NOW. If they would've, it would have ruined the surprise if you accessed the email via the sbemail menu. They'll probably change it next week or so. --TheNintenGenius 23:53, 15 Nov 2004 (MST)
Did they change it 1 week after gimmicks? -woddfellow2 16:13, 16 Nov 2004 (MST)
Yes! After "gimmicks" the email menu was replaced with a pad of paper with the list on it. -Drhaggis 19:08, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

Bubs's left arm

You may not notice it at first, but when Bubs walks by for the first time his left arm is stuck in a Dancin' Bubs position as well. He is not really moving it back and forth from carrying Homestar's leg/Shotgun. This is actually position #4. Just thought I would clear things up.

The old girl working again?

Maybe strong bad will fix the compy like he fixed the tandy? I remember being shocked that it was still there after I witnessed it blowing up.-Clever Dan

Doubtful, since Bubs is selling it. --Upsilon
And besides, I don't see how you're going to get it working again with that gaping hole through most of its body. -Walking Armless

"Fun" facts

Many of these "fun facts" are neither accepted facts nor particularly fun. -Drhaggis 19:14, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

I agree. I also think that the word "reference" is used way too much. -- Tom 20:38, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)
Yeah. I commented about this on the Strong Bad Email Talk. -- FireBird|Talk
I think one thing that we should start cracking down on is fun facts clearly already noted in the Transcript. (such as Homestar having Old Timey Homestar's body or Strong Sad's heads being from Strong Sad's Lament). In fact, that's what I'm thinking of doing right about now. --TheNintenGenius 09:30, 18 Nov 2004 (MST)
EDIT: I did do some of this cleaning, but I still think there's more that could be nixed, somehow. We'll have to put our heads together and figure this out.
Agreed re: "reference" There's a difference between references and superficial similarities. -- sekhmet 20:46GMT

Oh, check this out! Before the scene of a TGS style piece of paper, with the text "issue 3.14159265 and the rest" at the top, and The Ugly One extends her arm and starts slapping The King of Town is shutting down, it would also have an audio which goes like this: [Audio 1] or [Audio 2]. Note: These audio files are from the former french TV-channel La Cinq (This site is only available in french). --81.225.112.108 07:14, 11 Jan 2005 (MST) Maudi Algabban

Strong Man?

Who keeps putting Marzipan as saying "Strong Man"? It's not like the sound is very distinct. Context makes it clear that she's saying "Strong Mad". - furrykef 19:36, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

The "Gibberish" Sound

I'm probably wasting my time, but I started fooling around with the weird gibberish sounds heard from Marzipan and the glitched Quote of the Day to see if there was any meaning to them. After applying several filters to the original wave file, I've been able to make out the following quote:

"(blah blah blah) this music... and the design... and (blah blah) musician"

Take a listen and see if you can make it out too.

Original gibberish "New" gibberish

There's definitely something there, I think, but we're never gonna be able to figure out what just by listening to it, no matter how we process the sound. - furrykef 22:01, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)
That's pretty creepy. -- FireBird|Talk
Hmm... I listened to it again I think she's still talking about the stack of VHS tapes. I think she's not saying "(blah blah) musician", but "and the composition", i.e., the design and composition of the, um, VHS tapes (you know, making a big deal out of it like it were an art sculpture, not unlike Marzipan). I can't hear the "c" in "composition" there, but it could have been filtered out or something. I could be way off, though. The word "design" sticks out pretty well but the rest is just muddled. - furrykef 23:24, 18 Nov 2004 (MST)

Is it just me, or does the beginning and end of the original gibberish sound a little bit like the opening theme from the first season of Digimon?

It's probably you. But I've never seen it. And that comment wasn't necessary. -- FireBird|Talk

Hey! I think I got what Marzipan is trying to say! Look. I used Creative and tweaked the sounds a bit! It sounded like... On the contrary the music and the violin need the auto face rubber...? Umm I don't think I heard it right but thats what I got so far.--Omega If you need to talk to me or have any question or comments visit my talk page.Talk

Months later, I've stumbled upon this discussion, and here's what I hear it as: "It accentuates music, and the design, and the composition..." --FortyTwo 09:17, 11 Jan 2005 (MST)

Wow, that's cool, keep us posted if u get it working better (i mean u can fully decipher it.) -- Deoxyman|Talk 2 Me!

Pruning

I just went and slashed a lot of fun facts. I also separated the references for now, just because there are so many (and some are disputed). This might be temporary, and don't think it'd be necessary to create a "References" section for every e-mail, just reference-heavy ones. I'm not entirely happy with that, since in some cases it's hard to figure out if something is more of a fun fact or a reference. But this is just a start and it might help bring some order from the chaos. (I also did my best to order the references in the rough order they appear in the e-mail, so it'll be easier to find the one you want to edit/remove/etc.) - furrykef 08:17, 19 Nov 2004 (MST)

Just to clarify, the idea in separating the references from the fun facts now is so that both can be pruned more efficiently. - furrykef 08:27, 19 Nov 2004 (MST)
If we do it on this e-mail we should do it on all of them (if needed). Should we get to work on this? Or is it already in progress? -- FireBird|Talk
I disagree that it'd be necessary for all the other e-mails. I mean, really, is it that necessary that every e-mail page follow precisely the same format? It's good to be consistent, but also bear in mind that "a foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds". I don't see advantages in doing it for all the other e-mails. I do see advantages in doing it for this one, at least until we get the list sorted out. - furrykef 17:17, 19 Nov 2004 (MST)
I think if this one needs it, all others need it (except for ones who have no references in them). If we don't let Strong Bad e-mails follow the same format, why not let the transcripts follow their own format, or the toons? I think it's definately necessary for all Strong Bad E-mails to follow the same format. -- FireBird|Talk
You don't understand. You all understand. I mean, don't understand. Well, anyway, the difference is that transcripts, toons, etc. follow the same general format because there is usually no significant reason to deviate. On the other hand, most of them don't have "fun facts" sections filling up a third of the page, either. You say they all need to follow precisely the same format, but I must ask you: why? This isn't arbitrary format fiddling. I stated my case (which you didn't argue with), and I also said that it will probably be temporary. Tell me, what brings greater benefit: trying to organize the mess mass of dumb fun facts, or sticking to the same old format for no reason other the sake of sticking to a format? - [[User:furrykef|furrykef (Talk at me)]] 08:02, 20 Nov 2004 (MST)
I'm not trying to get into some big argument here. Just a head's up.
I'm not saying ditch the format thing. I love the idea, but I think it should be with every e-mail, and not just ones with loads of referencs. Just think- wouldn't be more organized? If one e-mail has a load of references in it, we could put a sub-heading for "references", but why not all other e-mails with references, even if it's only three? I feel it would be easier to find, as well as look real nice. -- FireBird|Talk

STUFF'D!

I talked with Tom about it, and we decided that we should try out the idea of a fun fact approval page. This is just for trying it out: we haven't committed to it yet, especially not without the approval of the other administrators, but there should be no harm in trying it on just one page. There's also a forum thread on whether or not we should do it. - [[User:furrykef|furrykef (Talk at me)]] 22:58, 20 Nov 2004 (MST)

I think it's a good idea. I just think that the note on the virus e-mail (or any other e-mail) should be brought down to around
"There are more fun facts in STUFF. Please go there to view them."
Or somethin' like that. But this is pretty awesome. F'real. -- FireBird|Talk
Well, I want users to understand what's going on. So far, they don't: nobody has posted anything on the STUFF page, they just keep posting (worthless) "fun" "facts" here. So I also added short footers that read something like that. - [[User:furrykef|furrykef (Talk at me)]] 09:53, 21 Nov 2004 (MST)

Crossing the 4th Wall

I disagree with the last fun fact. Never do the characters acknowledge that they are CARTOONS. In the homestar universe, the strong bad emails (as the cheat is watching on his computer in huttah!) are analogous to live TV shows in our universe. Similarly, all the other instances can be explained by assuming that Strong Bad and co. are aware that people are watching them, but just as a live show.

Well, that's what the HRWiki:STUFF page is for. If you don't like a fun fact (and it hadn't gone through the process already), just move it there. I'll do it for ya this time. - [[User:furrykef|furrykef (Talk at me)]] 23:33, 20 Nov 2004 (MST)
I believe it is vaild to discuss the content of article on the talk page. That is what it is for. This is appropriate use of this page. - [[User:Drhaggis|Dr Haggis]] 00:17, 27 Nov 2004 (MST)

New "glitch"

I'm a bit skeptical about this new glitch:

  • On some browsers, this email doesn't work properly. First, the "Click On The Monkey" popup never appears even after disabling pop up blockers, then all the animation (except for the characters blinking) stops during the Strong Mad and Marzipan section.

What browsers are we talking about here? At the very least, we should list what changes from browser to browser. I haven't noticed any difference from Firefox to IE. I'm thinking this glitch might be due to a particular user's settings. As such, I've removed it from the article for now. -- Tom 11:05, 6 Feb 2005 (MST)

It is probably my settings that lead to this. I'm using Win XP, with SP2. Due to my administrator not seeing how good Firefox is, I'm using IE 6, with Norton Internet Security 2005 installed. I have no idea why this causes the above to happen, or why it always takes me to Main Page 1 instead of NaN. It just does. -- Venusy 10:35, 12 Feb 2005 (Whatever timezone the UK is in)
Firefox isn't THAT much better than IE... I mean, it is better and a little more stable, but it's not the internet browser from God everyone makes it out to be... --Shadow Hog 12:05, 12 Feb 2005 (MST)

Don't TAPE it

The fake QOD box says "Hear it!" and "Don't TAPE it" at the bottom. I would have added this to the Fun Facts myself, but I'm not sure where to put it. mathgrant 22:07, 11 Feb 2005 (MST)

Declined Fun Facts

These were on the STUFF page and declined. If you wish to contest these, leave a note here, but don't allow it to be confused with any of the original votes.

Quadratic formula

The quadratic formula is a mathematical equation used for finding solutions to quadratic equations.

  • Delete. Not meaningful, fairly obvious unknownwarrior33 14:56, 22 Nov 2004 (MST)
  • Keep. Interesting. -- Tom 13:40, 21 Nov 2004 (MST)
  • Keep. See Tom's note on it. --TheNintenGenius 14:06, 21 Nov 2004 (MST)
  • Delete. Too obvious. --Jay 14:41, 21 Nov 2004 (MST)
  • Keep- Not many peple know that --Asploder
    • Second --Aawy 12:54, 11 Dec 2004 (MST)
    • You kidding?!?! I learned the quadratic formula in middle school! --Jay 15:00, 21 Nov 2004 (MST)
    • Not everyone watching Homestar has been through middle school. --sterrence
  • Delete. It's probably one of the most well known mathmatical formulas, right up there with the pythagorean theorem.--Dwedit 15:13, 21 Nov 2004 (MST)
  • Accept --[[User:Kilroy|Kilroy/talk]] 16:35, 21 Nov 2004 (MST)
  • 'Delete. This isn't fun at all. →FireBird
  • Decline. Neither fun nor obscure. -DG 22:23, 22 Nov 2004 (MST)
  • Decline. Although I didn't know this, it is irrelevant. It is a bit like saying 'There are computers in real life that are like Strong Bad's computer'. - Rainer
    • Second. On grounds of irrelevance. --The Paper 05:04, 24 Nov 2004 (MST)
    • Second. --The Real Zajac 22:07, 4 Dec 2004 (PST)
  • Decline. It's totally not relevant to the e-mail.
    • Please, please sign! Use --~~~~ - it shows up like: --oddtodd 00:39, 1 Dec 2004 (MST)
  • Accept. HRWiki is a repository of knowledge on Homestarrunner.com. So, even though this is a little obvious to some, it's not so obvious to others. --oddtodd 00:39, 1 Dec 2004 (MST)
  • Mocify and Accept. Good to have the info here, but the quadratic formula is used to find the zeros of quadratic equations, not the solutions. --Ben 12:54, 4 Dec 2004 (EST)
    • Comment. Actually, it's used to find solutions to quadratic equations, or zeros of quadratic functions or polynomials. --yeahyeah
  • Modify There are zillions of younger kids who watch SB, and many of them can use a computer to find this wiki but won't learn about the equation until late middle school. That said, the wording of this entry is pretty boring. --Svelt
  • Accept. --Lyzz
  • Comment. I've tallied the voted here. I have 7 to accept, 8 to decline, and 2 to modify and accept. This is inconclusive, and I'm adding a section to the talk page about it. --MadEwokHerd 16:26, 30 Dec 2004 (MST)
  • Decline. Huh? It doesn't even make logical sense to even think about something that obvious, much less to actually say it. --Ingeniousknight
    • You must sign your vote, or it won't be counted. --MadEwokHerd
  • Decline. This is rather obvious, don't you think? It's like saying that a magnetic pull formula is a scientific formula used to measure magnetic pull! Geez! --evin290

VERDICT: After several weeks of voting, with 10 valid Decline votes, 7 valid Accept votes, and 2 valid Modify votes, this item is Declined. Moved to Talk:virus --TheEggman 09:53, 18 Feb 2005 (MST)

Pi

The issue number of the Teen Girl Squad is the first nine digits of Pi ("3.14159265 and the rest"). Pi is an irrational number, so "the rest" would fill up an infinite number of pages.

  • Modify and keep. While I think Pi is interesting enough to include, I don't think the "infinite number of pages" part is necessary. -- Tom 13:40, 21 Nov 2004 (MST)
    • Second. Maybe just 
The issue number of the Teen Girl Squad is the first nine digits of Pi ("3.14159265 and the rest"),
which is an infinite number.
Or something like that.-- Lyzz
  • Keep Pi is pretty interesting in and of itself. I'm not so sure it needs altering, though. --TheNintenGenius 14:06, 21 Nov 2004 (MST)
  • Delete Way too obvious. --Dwedit 15:13, 21 Nov 2004 (MST)
  • Decline. A little too obvious. --[[User:Kilroy|Kilroy/talk]] 16:35, 21 Nov 2004 (MST)
  • Modify, keep. The "infinite number of pages" part isn't needed. --Paliosun 16:53, 21 Nov 2004 (MST)
  • Decline because anybody who could understand the concept of pi would probably already know about it. - [[User:furrykef|furrykef (Talk at me)]] 18:06, 21 Nov 2004 (MST)
  • Delete. →FireBird
  • Decline. It is supposed to be a joke, not a hidden fun fact. Most people would realise that it is pi. - Rainer
  • Accept. I am top of my class at year 8,and I didn't notice that. This is what fun facts are for. - J to the Sag
  • Accept. Not everyone would notice this. Unless a fun fact is blindingly obvious, I think we should keep it. --Upsilon
    • Second. Those of us who are picky about this look very closely at the emails. Not everybody looks that closely at a "silly cartoon." --oddtodd 00:42, 1 Dec 2004 (MST)
  • Accept. - SailorHippyGirl
  • Modify and Accept. I agree with what Tom said. Perhaps the 2nd sentence could be omitted entirely, even. --racerx_is_alive 16:00, 1 Dec 2004 (MST)
  • Accept. --Aawy 12:58, 11 Dec 2004 (MST)
  • Comment. This is very old, but it is inconclusive (the result could change based on what system is used to count the votes). It also appears to have been added in modified form. --MadEwokHerd 16:53, 30 Dec 2004 (MST)

VERDICT: Since the item has been reposted on the main page in a modified form and is uncontested, the Modify votes should reflect that this item already exists, and so with a vote of 7 Accept to 9 Decline, this fact in its current form is Declined. --TheEggman 10:02, 18 Feb 2005 (MST)

Gilligan's Island? (Declined)

The "And the rest" may be a reference to the first Gilligan's Island theme song, where the chorus sang some of the main character's name but then just sang "and the rest" instead of the other's names.

  • Keep -- Was thinking the same thing. -- olene
  • Decline -- I was thinking the refrence is more to "the rest" of pi. -- Kilana
    • second -- The Lyrical Wondermind 15:18, 18 Feb 2005 (MST)
    • Second -- "And the rest" is a common phrase, and without anything else reminiscent of Gilligan's Island I think it's too much of a stretch to consider this a reference. --Alun Clewe 01:59, 26 Feb 2005 (MST)
  • Weak Accept. This is probably true, however in the middle of the series, they changed the lyric "and the rest" to "the professer and Marianne" considering that the only two people left were just as important as the others, and two people hardly constitutes as "the rest." Back to topic: this is a very likely reference to that. →evin290 20:09, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)
  • Accept TBC could have just as easily said "etc." or "and so on", but "and the rest" is a quaint way of putting it. I immediately thought of 'Giligan's Island' at the time, and don't believe it's a coincidence. --It's dot com
  • Decline. I very much doubt it. --Upsilon

Strong Sad's blog (Declined)

When Strong Sad walks up and ask Strong Bad about a virus, his pixilated face is probably a referance to Strong Sad's blog (A.K.A. Strong Sad's Lament) from the e-mail website. On each post it shows his mood, and they are the same one that Strong SAd has hovering, they are probably pixiated because it enlarged the image's from the blog.

  • Decline part of it is already in transcript, rest of it is blaringly obvious. --Jay 23:58, 23 Jan 2005 (MST)
  • Second --ultragm2003 10:13, 12 Feb 2005 (MST)
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