Talk:Best/Worst X Ever

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[edit] Deletion

I don't see how these occurances are notable. "Best/worst X ever" is a common phrase. There is nothing special or funny about "best Decemberween ever", for example. The article should be deleted. Loafing 00:06, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Not if those other two articles are merged. Otherwise, get rid of it, pronto. --Sysrq868 00:20, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

I agree with Loafing's argument. Furthermore, the notion of this article as a running gag seems problematic to me. Running gags are incidents that derive their humor or interest from repetition in contexts where they can be identified with one another. I'm not seeing this here, as there's nothing that seems to relate all these appearances to each other. At this point, I would support deletion. Heimstern Läufer 00:21, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

I read the entire article, and I must agree that this "gag" is very plain and unconnected. Delete. Bad Bad Guy 14:34, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Could someone go add some links to this article? I'd do it myself but I don't want the author to bear a grudge against me. Bad Bad Guy 13:13, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Fine, I'll add 4 links myself. Bad Bad Guy 19:46, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Is the author aware of the unanimous concensus? Bad Bad Guy 14:44, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

I don't see how it matters whether or not I am aware of the consensus. What difference does it make? OptimisticFool 16:58, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

I just wanted to know if you had anything to say about the article's worth. Bad Bad Guy 02:35, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

All right, I guess I do have an opinion. TBC's characters have a habit of exaggerating things as "the best" and "the worst" a lot! And there's so much emphasis on these phrases as they're being said, it really does seem to be something notable/deserving of a page. And each new appearance reminds me of the last. So, how do I feel about this article? It's the best article ever. OptimisticFool 16:02, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

What do you consider emphasis? Out of the references in the "Best" section alone, I only found 3 prominent instances (Best Decemberween, Stinkoman, Cheat Theme Song). The others were too easy to miss in my opinion. Bad Bad Guy 21:20, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

I will admit that all the "Worst X Ever" references were pretty prominent. Bad Bad Guy 19:11, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Could everybody who wants to merge other articles into this explain why you want to keep it? Bad Bad Guy 18:20, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Well, this discussion has been open for over a month now, and if we include Awexome and The Chort for "keep" since they wanted to merge other articles into here, we have 3 or 4 for delete (my opinion has weakened over time) and 3 for keep. Should this be the final total? Bad Bad Guy 02:37, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

I love this page. It's fun. Delete. - Qermaq - (^T/C)  02:43, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

I just realized something: the only reason any of these would be considered notable is the emphasis Matt Chapman gave while reading them. Even though he placed some emphasis on the "not running out of ink" thing, that line is banned from Not X. If the emphasis the actor gives does not make a gag notable, my opinion changes back to a full delete. Bad Bad Guy 03:46, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Big question before the final decision: Should we still count Awexome's and The Chort's "merge into here" messages even though they never explained why this article should stay? Bad Bad Guy 00:09, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Delete--.Johnny Jupiter! ^talk _cont 00:45, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

I personally do not want to count Awexome and The Chort since they never praised this article, but some people might find that decision too biased. Bad Bad Guy 16:21, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

It feels like time to close it now. I counted 6 for "delete". Should we count 3 for keep or only 1? Bad Bad Guy 23:12, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

So you've decided that, despite the brand new appearance of this running gag in licensed, your opinion is still for delete? OptimisticFool 23:13, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Another instance doesn't change the fact that it's too plain and unconnected to be a gag. Bad Bad Guy 00:23, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Somebody close this already please. Bad Bad Guy 14:15, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

I honestly think deleting this page would be a downgrade to the wiki. To me it's clear that there are enough related instances (think voice inflection, which does count) of this running gag to qualify it for a page. And while I don't consider that TBC were casting a vote to save the page by including a new instance in licensed, I do believe it added strength and value to this article. This junk is still my best articles ever. OptimisticFool 04:18, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

What makes these instances related? Bad Bad Guy 04:20, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Ahem, I repeat: voice inflection. OptimisticFool 04:22, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

I couldn't find much infliction in the Bug in Mouth, Welcome Back, best thing, licensed, or road trip quotes. Bad Bad Guy 04:25, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

If that's the case, then that means there is significant inflection in more than half of the instances. See inclusion guideline #2. OptimisticFool 04:32, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

I'm starting to believe infliciton is relative. Some might also ask to remove Carve-nival since he did not place enough emphasis on the word "best". This would mean that island would also have to go, and since Loafing already said Decemberween does not count, that should be less than half now. Bad Bad Guy 04:40, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Obviously you and I are going to disagree on this business of inflection. But let's consider the numbers behind inclusion guideline #2. Half of 5-10 instances (aka 2.5 - 5 instances) being "of at least moderate importance to the toon". Great. Still qualifies. Definitely has between 2.5 - 5 (or more) important instances. I'm not especially satisfied with the wording of the inclusion guideline, but that's what I've got to work with. Another point ... we're talking about significant irony in at least a few of them: In Weclome Back (one that you wish to illiminate from the importance/inflection factor), Bubs sells no baloney sandwiches and it's still his "best summer ever"; in licensed, Homestar gets hits with shards of broken glass and it's still his "best birthdays ever"; in best thing, Mary's drums turn into noodles and it's still the "best show ever". OptimisticFool 05:07, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

The Best Thing quote doesn't have that much irony. Limozeen in Space Mary doesn't seem to care much about how the band is doing (he still looks happy when the other band outsells them), and in this concert he got to eat (his favorite activity) and perform at the same time. Bad Bad Guy 23:06, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Does 6 to 1 count as a consencus to delete? Bad Bad Guy 02:15, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Personally, I'm still thinking about OF's arguments above — I think they're worthy arguments, and I haven't made up my mind about this page yet... Trey56 02:18, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Delete. It seems to me that saying something is the "best/worst ever" is a common enough exaggeration used in real life. It doesn't really seem much like a running gag due to that... But eh, if nothing else, at least we've stopped trying to turn every instance of this into a Simpsons (Comic Book Guy) reference... -YK 03:01, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

WHAT!?!?! No. Keep. I'm sorry if this sounds rude, but WHAT IN THE WORLD ARE YOU GUYS TALKING ABOUT?!?! Yes, these instances are all related in that the follow the same format. Yes, it has more than three appearances. Why, then, do you think this needs to be the lake head? I agree with Mr. Couchyman. -- Super Martyo boing! 03:07, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Yes, clearly it follows the same format each time. The argument against this article, with which I tend to agree, is that the phrase is simply too generic to really be a running gag (if there were some reason it was clear that one item in this article refers to another, sure, but I don't see that that is likely the case). Heimstern Läufer 03:12, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

I understand your argument. The problem is, though, purely based on the inclusion guidelines, this article stays. Looking at #1 and 2, it follows both, as OF said. I know that the inclusion guidelines aren't absolute, but they're pretty solid. -- Super Martyo boing! 03:19, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

The fact that the inclusion guidelines say this article stays bears no weight, in my opinion. The inclusion guidelines are descriptive, not prescriptive. This means they do not prescribe what articles we keep and delete, but rather describe what articles the community has traditionally accepted. Heimstern Läufer 03:25, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

E.L. Cool had the idea that a lot of these things that should be noted but aren't exactly "gags" should be reclassified as Recurring Themes. I support keeping this article and putting it in that category. — It's dot com 03:16, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Ooh, that's a good idea. Maybe we should do that. -- Super Martyo boing! 03:19, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Trying to categorize this article as a running gag is problematic, in my opinion, but as a recurring theme it could work OK. Heimstern Läufer 03:25, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Recurring Theme. - Qermaq - (^T/C)  03:30, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Agreed. Running gags are supposed to be... I dunno... *funny*. This really isn't. It seems pretty normal to me. So, move to the new category. As a side-note, I think we should probably include Strong Bad, Sad, and Mad smiling in this category, too. It's become so common now that they too seem to no longer be "gags". -YK 08:43, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Keep this article, combine it with that adjective video game thing (believe it or not, it's entering its 3rd month of existence), and add it to the recurring theme category. I can name at least 2 other "recurring theme" articles but they are irrelevant to this discussion. Bad Bad Guy 18:14, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Oops

Yes, I meant to remove the template. I was experimenting with trying to have it merged with Best/Worst X Bucks. Awexome 21:32, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] New Picture

If I remember correctly, the vandalized album from Baddest of the Bands has "best album cover idea ever" written on it. Is this true, and can someone please replace the current image with that possibly more relevant one? BBG 20:27, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Yep, It's true. I'll upload it. ThePizz^{√ Pick} 20:42, 5 November 2008 (UTC)