Talk:Strong Bad Email Spin-offs

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[edit] The Homestar Runner Mysfit-steries

I don't know if I would call this a Spin-off as it has yet to reappear in the H*R Universe. . .but I am open to hearing why someone may think that it would qualify Ilko Skevüld's Teh C 13:49, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

I don't think it counts 'til it reappears. --DorianGray
Dorian's right on this one. It can't be a spin-off until it gets attention outside of that particular email in which it debuted. — Lapper (talk) 17:35, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
Explain to me why alternate universe does not count. Bad Bad Guy 21:39, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Peasant's Quest

  • Is Peasant's Quest included with Trogdor, or is it worth it to separate the two in the dragon entry? kai lyn 01:56, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] DNA Evidence

Wouldn't this count as a spin-off running gag? Darkangel Get offa me!

I had been thinking that, but we should wait. Maybe TBC planned all these to be in the emails for some toon or something instead of just making it a running gag. Homestar-winner 12:49, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Rename

Suggest move to Strong Bad Email Spin-offs to match Strong Bad Email Intros, Strong Bad Email Statistics, and Strong Bad Email Page Titles. Bad Bad Guy 21:25, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Anyone? Jelly? Grappity? Bad Bad Guy 17:00, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
  • sigh* I guess there aren't any objections...(that's always my last desperate move to get replies) Bad Bad Guy 21:18, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
Makes sense. I'm all for the page move. Has Matt? (talk) 21:28, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Redefine?

Is it necessary for us to redefine what is and isn't a spin-off? Tangerine Dreams and Carol got deleted because they are simply recurring items, but that argument could also be made for the Wagon Fulla Pancakes. The highschool versions of the characters weren't allowed because they were used only in highschool and alternate universe, but Da Huuudge only made two appearances and had a nice long stay at that table. Bad Bad Guy 17:25, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

I assume Da Huuuudge was overlooked and SB actually created the wagon. Bad Bad Guy 18:42, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] You Reek-a

Does the you reek-a shirt from underlings belong here? Bad Bad Guy 18:42, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

You can find the clothing running gag for the You Reek-A shirt here, but it's not a major spin-off. TheCoolBot 15:02, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] A Wagon Fulla Pampcakes? A speen-off?

Should I delete the Wagon Fulla Pancakes? According to its article the only other thing it was in was Senorial Day. Bad Bad Guy 17:25, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure I see your point. The fact that it shows up in Senorial Day is what makes it a spinoff. — It's dot com 17:58, 8 June 2007 (UTC)\
I was just thinking that the wagon hasn't done anything important since montage. Bad Bad Guy 21:37, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
By this logic, does the Grape-Nuts Robot from personal favorites and Marzy's Answering Machine 8 count? Bad Bad Guy 00:20, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

My unbiased opinion is still the fact that the Wagon still hasn't done anything major enough since montage to count as a spin-off. If no one objects within the next five days, I will remove it, the Grape-Nuts Robot, Ready for Primetime (included in Sweet Cuppin' Cakes), Hyperactive Strong Sad, and Female Lappy 486 (the last 2 are merely character variations) from the table. Bad Bad Guy 21:40, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Well, "unbiased opinion" is a bit of an oxymoron, don't you think? If you have an opinion, you're automatically biased. But anyway, enough semantics. I think it's fair to say all of those aren't really spin-offs, so I think it would make sense to remove them. Heimstern Läufer 21:56, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Emails spun off of other emails

Someone tried to put the paper as a spin-off of montage. I removed it because more armies and retirement weren't there as spin-offs of army and cliffhangers, but I'm willing to hear if anyone thinks those three do belong here. Bad Bad Guy 20:28, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Does the lack of replies mean no one else wants them to be included as spin-offs, or that no one opposes to their addition? Bad Bad Guy 03:23, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
I don't think they would count as spin-"offs", as they're still "on"...that is, they don't involve jokes or characters that started in an email and are continued in other toons, but things that started in an email and are continued in other emails. But my world won't end if someone adds them. So makey outy 03:37, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Spin-offs, not gags, not items, not characters, spin-offs.

A spin off is defined as "a new organization or entity formed by a split from a larger one" by Wikipedia. Running gags and characters are not spin-offs. Things like tape leg and places like The Office don't warrant being on this page just because their debut was in a sbemail. I feel that this page should be only for things like Teen Girl Squad and cheat commandos. Things that are ACTUALLY spin-offs. I propose a major rewrite and removal of irrelevant data, as in its current state, this page is better labeled "Things that debuted in Strong Bad Emails" which, if there were a page like that, would get deleted very quickly, as it's too general a topic. — Defender1031*Talk 20:12, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Well, can we at least keep the article, just rename it somehow? MHarrington 20:48, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
I strongly agree. Places and running gags are not spin-offs. This page is terrible. Even worse than the sightings page. What in the world is The Broternal Order of Different Helmets doing here? Or The Virus? Ding! Last place. Loafing 20:20, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
Fine, I'm doing it. If the community decides otherwise, then it's free to revert, but until then this page should be made presentable. — Defender1031*Talk 20:23, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
I would cut it down to
  • Videlectrix
  • Taranchula, Limozeen
  • Dullard
  • Stinkoman (because of the game)
  • TGS
  • Sweet Cuppin' Cakes
  • Cheat Commandos
  • Li'l Brudder (maybe)
And that's about it. Loafing 20:25, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Taranchula and Limozeen are bands, i wouldn't even leave those in. And on second thought, i'm waiting for some more consensus before i do the cleanup. — Defender1031*Talk 20:36, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
I'd agree with making the changes Loafi and Defender have suggested. I'm thinking we leave the bands in, per Loafi's suggestion, as they are essentially separate franchises that have spun off of the sbemail franchise. Heimstern Läufer 21:22, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
I would propose the following as marginal (in keeping with the idea of a true spinoff)
  • Strong Badia (since it is an organizational subsection of Free Country, USA, complete with an army and national anthem.
  • Circles (if we include Limozeen, but clearly less important in the grand scheme of things)
  • The Show (Like Cheat Commandos, and Li'l Budder, it's a separate entity)
  • Dangeresque (same reasoning as The Show)
There could be an argument made for The Office, because of Biz Caz Fri puppet shorts, but that might be stretching the point too thin. As for the organization, the page will be basically a disambiguation page because of the topic; should the rewrite keep the current table format, or simply be a list? wbwolf (t | ed) 21:46, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Sounds to me you're actually better off using a category, and eliminating the page altogether. Qermaq - (T/C) Image:Qermaqsigpic.png 21:59, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Circles is just a song, not a spin-off. The office is just a place in the H*R universe, not a spin-off in it's own right. The Show is more kind of a running gag to me. I'd prefer an article, but if it's basically just a list under a heading, then Qermaq might actually have a point. Loafing 22:21, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
I see the show as a spinoff, the rest i agree with.
Making it a category sounds like a good idea, since a page won't really add that much that isn't on the individual pages. Probably should make this page a redirect, in that case. wbwolf (t | ed) 22:41, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
I agree, cat works just as well. — Defender1031*Talk 22:49, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
I'm leaning toward the "Make it a category" idea too. I think it should include everything that originated from Strong Bad Emails, including characters, places, and series. But the characters in series should be left out to save work; for example, Cheat Commandos should be categorized as a spin-off, but the commandos' individual pages can be left out. — SamSF%20sig.jpgFisher (Come in, Lambert.) 22:53, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
If that is the case, would Stinkoman and 20X6 be both tagged, since their origin is separate, or just one of those? The same question could be asked of Kerrek and Jhonka. Personally, I'd rather see it left strictly with direct spin-offs, like Trogdor and Teen Girl Squad, that level, rather than going down to Homsar and tape-leg wbwolf (t | ed) 23:02, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
Actually, the 20X6 places don't seem to have a definite origin from any toon. The closest thing would be Stinkoman himself, who should doubtlessly be considered a SBemail spin-off, but I would tag only 20X6 because the entire concept originated from an email (the article could say something like "The 20X6 universe began with the creation of Stinkoman in japanese cartoon"). As for the PQ characters, that's tough to say. It would make sense to tag them both because of their origins, but the PQ universe didn't originate from an email. What to include or exclude from the category will definitely need further discussion, but I think we should do it on the new category's talk page. — SamSF%20sig.jpgFisher (Come in, Lambert.) 23:26, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
Okay, looks like there's consensus here, making the cat... I'll add it to the ones we're sure about also. — Defender1031*Talk 23:30, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
I've done the basic ones, now i'm going to sleep, feel free to argue about the debatable ones, i'll read it in the morning. — Defender1031*Talk 23:45, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Don't eliminate the article in favour of the category: The category is a good thing, but it doesn't replace the article. The article contains information, such as the origin of the spinoff and reason, that can't be included in a category. There's no reason we can't have both a list article and a category for the same content: the two have very different functions. Heimstern Läufer 23:50, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

I myself questioned the limits of this article at least twice on this page ("Redefine?" and "A Wagon Full Pancakes? A Speen-off?) Bad Bad Guy 23:52, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

I think it could stay if someone can remove the minor spin-offs. Bad Bad Guy 00:36, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

This page needs some intense, and I mean INTENSE cleanup. At least 3/4 of the content can be flat out deleted. All the characters and places should be deleted. It's worth keeping, but the size needs to be slashed. · · T2|Things 01:55, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

I've just removed a good chunk of the "spin-offs". Most of the ones I kept were supposedly stuff that Strong Bad dreamed up himself. I removed much of the stuff that merely by a coincidence got their start on the Strong Bad Emails. MHarrington 21:58, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
It's a nice thought, except for the fact that some songs Strong Bad wrote got removed. But I already put those back. And Fhqwgads is more a creation of the person who wrote the email than it is of Strong Bad's, which is why Everybody to the Limit is now counted as i love you's spin-off. Bad Bad Guy 18:30, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

It looks to me like all that is left of the clean up is to decide once and for all whether or not the characters and songs should stay. Bad Bad Guy 00:07, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Clean Up

Should I change that deletion tag to a cleanup tag soon? Bad Bad Guy 21:43, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

I think that it has come to needing cleanup, rather than outright deletion. There's some question on the category talk page about what should be in or out, but that's something done during cleanup. wbwolf (t | ed) 21:49, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
Unless 1 person objects by the next time I visit this site I will add the cleanup tag. Bad Bad Guy 22:05, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
Should we remove the songs or do they not defy the description? And if we will still count them, does anyone else think the Trogdor song truly began in guitar? Bad Bad Guy 21:06, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Does the "looks fine to me" in the summary for the last edit refer merely to the sentence or to the whole article? Bad Bad Guy 14:10, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Toon spin offs

Is there a page for things that sup-off toons and not sbemails?

No. Can you think of anything than spun off of a nonsbemail toon? (I wasn't trying to be rude) Bad Bad Guy 01:03, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
Well, i dont think so.

[edit] How many references?

Does it matter now how many times something has appeared/been referenced before it appears here? Should sloshy be added after 1 short? Bad Bad Guy 22:45, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

The reason I had to ask was because of It's dot com's post explaining the Wagon Fulla Pancakes did count because it appeared in one short (but it was only throwaway gag that lasted three seconds), which prompted me to add Grape-nuts Robot and 'Lectric Boots. But since we're cleaning the article now I was wondering if we changed that policy as well. Bad Bad Guy 00:46, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
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