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| - | == Protection ==
| + | {{Template:Talk:Strong Bad Email}} |
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| | + | {{talkchecklist|Checklist for new Strong Bad Email:}} |
| | + | ''Note: ''<tt>###</tt>'' is used to indicate the new email's number.'' |
| | + | *Create an article for the new email. Use the title as listed on the [[HR:sbemails|Strong Bad Email menu]], with the content <tt><nowiki>{{subst:newsbemail|###}}</nowiki></tt>.<!-- If you already know the forum thread number, use <tt><nowiki>{{subst:newsbemail|###|#####}}</nowiki></tt>.--> |
| | + | **Create the redirects <tt><nowiki>[[</nowiki>sbemail###]]</tt>, <tt><nowiki>[[</nowiki>sbemail ###]]</tt>, and <tt><nowiki>[[</nowiki>Strong Bad Email ###]]</tt> for the new article. |
| | + | *Update the appropriate templates: |
| | + | **{{t|sbenav-lookup}} |
| | + | **{{t|Strong Bad Email}} |
| | + | **{{t|recenttoons}} |
| | + | **{{t|whatsnew}} |
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| - | I think that this page should be protected. The barrage of trolls has been pretendous. Nobody wants to open the sbemails page and see a bunch of gibberish and swears. Your thoughts?
| + | <!--* [[HRWiki:Subtitles/Data#Strong Bad Emails]]--> |
| | + | *Link to the new email on the following list articles: |
| | + | **[[All Toons]] |
| | + | **[[Strong Bad Email]] subsection [[Strong Bad Email#Strong Bad Emails|"Strong Bad Emails"]] |
| | + | ***Also update the total emails and relevant fun facts. |
| | + | **[[Strong Bad Email Menu]] |
| | + | **[[H*R.com updates {{CURRENTYEAR}}]] |
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| - | :Protecting the [[Main Page]] was one thing; it's a page that, by its very nature, shouldn't change very often or contain any particular insight into the H*R site. This page, though, changes every week (if TBC are feeling industrious) and allows for Fun Facts. I think that if we locked down this page, it would discourage new editors and be antithetical to the concept of a Wiki. -- [[User:FortyTwo|FortyTwo]] 22:14, 30 Jan 2005 (MST)
| + | *Update the relevant articles collected in {{t|StrongBadEmailInfo}}, particularly under the "Emails by" subsection. |
| | + | <!--*Link the email page to the forum and vice versa, if necessary.--> |
| | + | {{common toon checklist items|type=email}} |
| | + | *Check your work using [[Special:Sbemailcheck]]. |
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| - | :Maybe a semi-protection. Only members can edit. Very few logged in people troll pages, as they're easier to bust. This would cut down on trolling without killing the point of a wiki. -- [[User:nintendorulez|nintendorulez]] 09:34, 14 Mar 2005 (MST)
| + | == Lappier Era == |
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| - | :Has this page been trolled? [[User:Pop tire|Pop tire]] 21:51, 24 Mar 2005 (MST)
| + | How are we going to handle categorizing the new sbemails? We still have [[sbemail206]] and [[too cool]] under the "[[Compé]] Era" section, even though the latter is unquestionably a [[Lappier]] Era email. The problem, of course, is that the sbemail menu is still Compé-themed. But we shouldn't keep sticking sbemails in a misleadingly-named section until The Brothers Chaps decide to update their menu. Is there a temporary solution we could use until then? {{User:SRMX12/sig}} 17:54, 9 September 2017 (UTC) |
| | + | :I think there should be a "Lappier Era" section, and maybe a note pointing out that it still uses the Compé menu. It makes more sense than including Lappier emails in the Compé section. {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig}} 18:54, 9 September 2017 (UTC) |
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| - | ::nintendorulez- this is impossible. Only full protection or none.
| + | == Not Quite Strong Bad Email List == |
| - | ::Pop tire- yes. Check the history. →[[User:FireBird|''<small><tt>[[User:FireBird|<font color=green>FireBird</font>]]</tt></small>'']]
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| - | == Opening the Menu == | + | A little while ago, I {{p|l=http://hrwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Strong_Bad_Email&diff=783935&oldid=783934 changed the list}} to use — em dashes instead of <small>(tiny text in parentheses)</small>. Not only does it look much better (in my opinion), but it's also more consistent with other lists on the wiki. However, it was reverted because it didn't have as much of a "feel" to it. But I don't think that's necessarily a good thing. How should this list be formatted? {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig}} 19:59, 29 June 2019 (UTC) |
| - | Did anyone else notice that Strong Bad no longer types "<tt>dir/p</tt>" to load the e-mails menu? (He types "<tt>strongbad_email.exe</tt>" now.) I'm wondering where to put it (if it belongs at all).—[[User:StrongstarRunbad|StrongstarRunbad]] 21:08, 10 Dec 2004 (MST)
| + | :Anyone else have an opinion? The em dashes look clean and consistent, and the tiny text looks aesthetically displeasing. {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig}} 23:36, 21 January 2020 (UTC) |
| - | :Eh, it probably doesn't belong. Besides, he changed from "<tt>list_files</tt>" on the Tandy to "<tt>dir/p</tt>," and that wasn't noted. Dropping the idea.—[[User:StrongstarRunbad|StrongstarRunbad]] 21:13, 13 Dec 2004 (MST) | + | : i dunno, the tiny text looks nice to me, with text being the same size it looks a bit cluttered {{User:Timmodonuts/sig}} 15:37, 22 January 2020 (UTC) |
| | + | ::I'm for the em dash list. The current style doesn't match any other list on the wiki that I'm aware of, and I think changing text size in-line decreases readability. (What does "has a feel to it" mean anyway?) {{User:Lira/sig}} 19:39, 22 January 2020 (UTC) |
| | + | :::I agree that the full size text seems very cluttered and hard to read. Perhaps there’s a different way to present the information? -[[Special:Contributions/166.170.0.121|166.170.0.121]] 22:43, 22 January 2020 (UTC) |
| | + | ::::That's weird. For me it's the opposite; the full size text is pleasant and readable, while the small text looks cluttered and arbitrary. Maybe we could make it a table, with one column for the email number, one for the title, and one for the description. That way, we can keep the full size text, with borders between each item so it isn't as cluttered. {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig}} 23:21, 22 January 2020 (UTC) |
| | + | ::::: I am down for tables, I love tables, they make it much easier to digest the information! {{User:Timmodonuts/sig}} 16:08, 23 January 2020 (UTC) |
| | + | ::::::Not so into the table idea. That just sounds unnecessarily bulky and a weird format for the information. Maybe I just need to see a preview, but I still like the standard list with plain text. {{User:Lira/sig}} 20:58, 23 January 2020 (UTC) |
| | + | :::::::I don't understand the desire to table everything. I think a table is best applied in situations when paired with an image or other critical data, such as dates. If it's just an example with an explanation, an ordinary list should suffice. -- [[Special:Contributions/68.37.43.131|68.37.43.131]] 03:10, 24 January 2020 (UTC) |
| | + | ::::::::Yeah, I mostly agree. I only suggested it because it seemed like a good way to include full size text without some people finding it cluttered. {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig}} 05:40, 24 January 2020 (UTC) |
| | + | :::::::::The thing is it's no more cluttered than any other list of information on the wiki. If the style is cramping people's style, that should be a larger question for another talk page. Myself, I have no trouble reading it. {{User:Lira/sig}} 16:13, 24 January 2020 (UTC) |
| | + | ::::::::::Most other places in the wiki don’t have long sentence descriptions within this kind of list. -[[Special:Contributions/166.137.90.18|166.137.90.18]] 18:29, 24 January 2020 (UTC) |
| | + | :::::::::::No? What about [[Homestar Runner and Strong Bad's Relationship|character relationships]]? What about [[Style|running gags]] and [[Doughnuts|item pages]]? How is this different? {{User:Lira/sig}} 19:08, 24 January 2020 (UTC) |
| | + | So far, it seems there are 3 votes for em dashes, 1 votes for parentheses, 1 vote for tables, and 1 vote for an alternative solution. That's probably the closest we'll get to a consensus, so I've made the changes. I'm putting my reasoning here in place of an edit summary:<br> |
| | + | The wiki's font size is intended to be read comfortably, so this list should stick to that. Like Lira said, if the text looks cluttered, that's a problem with the wiki rather than this list, so the discussion should be moved elsewhere. Every list on the wiki is formatted the same way, and no one has ever complained of their clutteredness before, to my knowledge. This list is no different in content, and that should be reflected in its appearance. Additionally, I think the consistent size looks cleaner and less arbitrary, and the em dash creates a neat separation between title and description. {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig}} 21:26, 14 February 2020 (UTC) |
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| - | == a> Prompt Location == | + | == {reading} == |
| - | In some of the e-mails, the a> prompt appears just below the e-mail when it loads. In others, it appears on the bottom of the screen. Should that be noted somewhere for each of the emails?
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| - | Or is it just an insignifigant technicality, like the number of times SB moves his head back and forth in the e-mail? Wait-maybe we should put that in too...
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| - | I would be glad to work on this if people think its worthwhile. -[[User:pianoplayerontheroof|pianoplayerontheroof]]
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| - | :Hmm... I'm curious. I'm sure if you were going to go through every email you could come up with a whole page for the prompt. And there's also the prompt in the main Strong Bad Email menu too. Go for it.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 09:08, 3 Jan 2005 (MST) | + | Some emails have ''{reading}'' (or some variant) before the email, and some don't. Should we remove them from those emails, or add them to the rest? Or even leave them as is? {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig}} 02:33, 8 July 2019 (UTC) |
| | + | :For the discussion purposes, when present [http://www.hrwiki.org/w/index.php?title=dragon&diff=next&oldid=784857 it looks like this]. |
| | + | :Honestly, I'd be in favour of removing such instances. This mostly seems to be present in some older transcripts. I think just the presence of the email template is shorthand for him reading it out loud. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 05:31, 8 July 2019 (UTC) |
| | + | ::I am on the fence whether or not we should remove such instances. Although 99% of email entries are read, sometimes they just show up on the screen. Also, "training" the new reader into expecting "hey this block will be read out loud" the first few emails (assuming they somehow went through each email sequentially) wouldn't be a bad thing. And, in a detailed wiki like this, it might not hurt to have the "reading" portion in every email (although it should look sleeker). Now, my own comment ago kind of thwarted an idea I had, and that was: add the "Reading" portion to the email templates or block quotes. However, since this isn't going to be used 100% of the time, it's probably counter productive (instead a template that adds the notice would probably be better -- that is if we keep the notices at all.) --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 12:37, 15 July 2019 (UTC) |
| | + | :::Since I haven't given my opinion yet, I don't think the notices are necessary. The email box is kind of a continuation of Strong Bad's dialogue, and in cases where it isn't read aloud, the transcript usually states ''{The following email can be seen:}'' or something similar. Going straight from the email song to the email makes for a smoother transition. |
| | + | :::We don't necessarily have to edit every email page right away, since that would be a huge undertaking. But it would be nice to reach a consensus, just so the notices can be added or removed during unrelated edits, if that makes sense. {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig}} 23:36, 21 January 2020 (UTC) |
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| - | :Oooh, and you could include the stuff they are talking about in [[Talk:Strong Bad Email#Opening the Menu]].[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 09:10, 3 Jan 2005 (MST)
| + | == Strong Bad Email Menu == |
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| - | :but-looking back- does this info really have a purpose? I mean, it kinda makes sense to have all the page titles, but the position of the prompt and what SB types, all on different pages? maybe some kind of chart with them all on it... I don't know how to make charts in de Wiki. guess I could try to figure it out. --[[user:pianoplayerontheroof|Pianoplayerontheroof]]
| + | Two points to make |
| | + | 1. Why did we never have an article for the Strong Bad Email menus in general when the Toon Time and the speciality sbemail ones have a page? |
| | + | 2. The new menu works completely differently and will probably need it's won page or subsection. Still trying figurue out if there's a pattern to Strong Bad's comments on the emails. [[User:Guybrush20X6|Guybrush20X6]] 02:02, 1 January 2021 (UTC) |
| | + | :Yeah, I was just wondering that myself. We need to create [[Strong Bad Email Menu]], stat! (Also, I notice you've been adding descriptions to each email's page. I'd suggest holding off on that for now. It's a big project that needs consensus for how it's going to be implemented.) {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig}} 02:43, 1 January 2021 (UTC) |
| | + | ::Discussion about descriptions continues at [[HRWiki:Projects#Toon Descriptions|HRWiki:Projects → Toon Descriptions]] |
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| - | ::Purpose? Well, we are the place to learn ''everything'' there is to know about Homestar Runner. And don't worry about any kind of table format or anything, someone else could do that.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 09:43, 4 Jan 2005 (MST)
| + | == anyone like tge sbemaiil homsar? == |
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| - | == No Fun Facts any longer ==
| + | anyone? no? ok... |
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| - | I noticed that [[User:Kemek]] changed all fun facts to "Trivia", as well as made some other sections. I rather have a full fun facts section back. Anyone? →[[User:FireBird|''<small><tt>[[User:FireBird|<font color=green>FireBird</font>]]</tt></small>'']]
| + | ==Sbemail209 release date== |
| | + | March 25th, 2022 --[[User:Jeffjman|J∃ffJ]][[User_talk:Jeffjman|Man]][[File:jeffjsigchrismas.png|23px]] 17:13, 22 March 2022 (UTC) |
| | + | :I wouldn’t get my hopes up. I don’t think we’re gonna see it for quite a while. And is there any source for that date or are you just making it up? [[User:TheOneAndOnlyDanky|TheOneAndOnlyDanky]] 18:27, 22 March 2022 (UTC) |
| | + | ::Mostly making it up, but hey, it might be out on either then OR april fools day, since they've been doing it every 4 years now. --[[User:Jeffjman|J∃ffJ]][[User_talk:Jeffjman|Man]][[File:jeffjsigchrismas.png|23px]] 11:18, 23 March 2022 (UTC) |
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| - | :I didn't intend to eliminate the Fun Facts section. Rather, the plan is to separate them into categories to prevent the kind of confusion that ensues each time a new Strong Bad Email is released. There's been discussion [[User_talk:Jay|on]] [[HRWiki_talk:Standards|several]] [[HRWiki_talk:Select_The_Usable_Fun_Facts|pages]] as to what to do and this seemed like the consensus. If I'm mistaken please accept my apologies; I only want to do what's best for the Wiki. [[User:Kamek|Kamek]] 19:02, 11 Jan 2005 (MST)
| + | == sbemail templates == |
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| - | ::Personally I'm fond of Jay and Kamek's ideas, but there's plenty of room for differing opinions, so please take your comments to the page(s) Kamek mentioned. [[User:InterruptorJones|<nowiki></nowiki>]]<small>— [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]]</small>[[<nowiki></nowiki>]] 19:05, 11 Jan 2005 (MST)
| + | I had an idea a while ago. What if instead of putting a whole blockquote thingy for an email, say [[strong badathlon]], instead we made a template for the email. I tried it out and it works. |
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| - | ::: And now he's changed them all back?! Did someone not like the new format or something? --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 19:08, 16 Jan 2005 (MST)
| + | The template could be: |
| - | | + | <nowiki>{{sbemail165}}</nowiki> |
| - | :Okay, look. I agree with [[User:Jay|Jay]] and [[User:Kamek|Kamek]] also. If we break down the fun facts section it makes life way easier to pick out the facts that YOU are looking for. Am I the only one who feels this way?? --[[User:Klaymation|Klaymation]]
| + | and it would look like: |
| - | | + | <blockquote class="lappy email"> |
| - | == Superbowl Dealie ==
| + | <div>subject: the cheat</div> |
| - | | + | Strong bad,<br> |
| - | I put a message similar to this on the page for Superbowl Dealie, but since it's recieved no response yet, I may as well ask here.
| + | For a long time i've been wondering.... How far can you<br> |
| - | | + | throw the cheat? If you don't want to do that, could you<br> |
| - | Basically, I feel Superbowl Dealie deserves to be on the list of Not Quite Strong Bad Emails (since it mentions outright at the end of that toon that the SBemail was going to be late that week), but I don't know when it was put up chronologically speaking. Does anyone have any ideas? --[[User:TheNintenGenius|TheNintenGenius]] 22:51, 19 Jan 2005 (MST)
| + | beat the crud out of homestar for no reason?<br> |
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| - | :That's ironic that your discoveries of the Not Quite Strong Bad Emails coincidedished with my quest to make complete updates lists for
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| - | '03 and '02. So there's your spot in the sequence of e-mails. 59-60. Hope that helped.
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| - | [[User:Thunderbird L17|''<small><tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|<font color=gold>⇔Thunderbird⇔</font>]]</tt></small>'']] 23:54, 28 Feb 2005 (MST)
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| - | It's not a "Strong Bad Email," It's more like a notice. -Poofy
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| - | == Confirmation by TBC ==
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| - | I just noticed the ''(Note: It has been confirmed by the Chapman Brothers that Coach Z says "crack")'' following the Coach Z rap. I've removed the note, as we don't like to have things like that in articles. However, is this true? Did The Brothers Chaps actually confirm this? And if so, how?[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 12:13, 28 Jan 2005 (MST)
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| - | == Huzzah? ==
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| - | I don't know about any of you other guys, but I didn't hear Strong Bad say "huzzah"... it sounded more like "hey hah". Am I the only one who heard this? -[[User:Cirrial|Cirrial]]
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| - | : I clearly hear "huzzah" both at the beginning and end of the rap. Due to his accent and the sound quality, though, it may not be clear, but the Zs (almost Ss, especially the first) are audible. But I know some third party is going to come in and contradict me as someone always does when I make assertions like these. 9_9 --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 01:35, 9 Feb 2005 (MST)
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| - | :: Never mind, I hear it now. ^^ -[[User:Cirrial|Cirrial]]
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| - | Yeah, I hear "Hey Hah", too. Maybe we should change it.
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| - | : Did I calls it or did I calls it? --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 12:12, 24 Feb 2005 (MST)
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| - | I clearly hear "hazzah," there are z's in there →[[User:evin290|evin290]] 12:23, 24 Feb 2005 (MST)
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| - | == Pictures ==
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| - | Hey, I was wondering where I could get jpgs of
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| - | emails 17-125. I'm working on an email collage. -[[User:68.100.170.134|68.100.170.134]]
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| - | :Each Strong Bad Email has it's own article with an image included, so you might want to look there. All the Strong Bad Email articles can be found on this the [[Strong Bad Email]] page.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 12:14, 25 Feb 2005 (MST)
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| - | :Don't forget your print screen button for screenshots. -- [[User:nintendorulez|nintendorulez]] 08:18, 6 Apr 2005 (MDT)
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| - | == Email Raps on separate page ==
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| - | I'm thinking that the various raps could be spun off onto a separate page. [[Strong Bad Email Raps]] perhaps. Thoughts? [[User:Drhaggis|<nowiki></nowiki>]]- [[User:Drhaggis|Dr Haggis]] - [[User talk: Drhaggis|Talk]] 20:06, 28 Feb 2005 (MST)
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| - | :Sounds do-able to me. How about the same for page titles and menus? Would [[Strong Bad Email Menus]] and [[Strong Bad Email Page Titles]] be worth it? I know the page title section is a bit long.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 20:33, 28 Feb 2005 (MST)
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| - | ::I third that motion. It'll condence this page, and make the raps more distinguished. I like grouping the raps with the menus on a seperate page, but is a special page just for 'page titles' really needed? I feel that can still live comfortably on the main Strong Bad Emails page for the time being. Or alternativly group all three on the same page, under ummm... I can't think of a good name. Just something that sums up all three catergories. Up to you guys though. That's just my two cents.
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| - | [[User:Thunderbird L17|''<small><tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|<font color=gold>⇔Thunderbird⇔</font>]]</tt></small>'']] 00:02, 1 Mar 2005 (MST)
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| - | :Suggestions for a page consising of the Strong Bad Email raps, page titles, adn additional menu pages : [[User:Drhaggis|<nowiki></nowiki>]]- [[User:Drhaggis|Dr Haggis]] - [[User talk: Drhaggis|Talk]] 17:38, 2 Mar 2005 (MST)
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| - | *Strong Bad Email Details
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| - | *Strong Bad Email Appendix
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| - | *Strong Bad Email Supplement
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| - | ::I'm liking what Tom suggested- Strong Bad Email Menus and Strong Bad Email Page Titles, as is follows along with [[Strong Bad Email By Place]] and [[Strong Bad Email By Name]]. But I do agree something needs to be done- it looks pretty bad right now. →[[User:FireBird|''<small><tt>[[User:FireBird|<font color=green>FireBird</font>]]</tt></small>'']]
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| - | == SBEmail by Time ==
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| - | I don't know about you guys, but I for one would really like to be able to see all the e-mail lengths at a glance. I think it would be nice if someone made a page which had all the e-mails in order from biggest to smallest. --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 16:11, 19 Mar 2005 (MST)
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| - | i think it would be cool to have a running poll of the best email ever. i dont know how u would go about somthing like that, so any thoughts would be nice.
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| - | == Time those DVD ones ==
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| - | Can anyone time the DVD-only emails? - [[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 02:24, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)
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| - | : I'll do it. I can do it nine times! But I'll only do it once. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 02:30, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)
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| - | : All right, I got 'em. Time to add 'em to the articles and the By Length page. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 02:39, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)
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| - | Question: Why cant someone record the DVD emails and post it on the wiki? --[[User:-erson|<nowiki>Posted by </nowiki><font color="CC3333">-erson</font>]] 01:17, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
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| - | :If we recorded the stuff from the DVD there would be no reason to buy it, which mean TBC will lose money. →''<small><tt>[[User:FireBird|<font color=green>FireBird</font>]]</tt></small>''
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| - | :True true. Plus, It could be breaking Fair Use. Stupid me--[[User:-erson|<nowiki>Posted by </nowiki><font color="CC3333">-erson</font>]] 01:24, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
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| - | == Homsar not main character ==
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| - | correct me if in wrong but he has been in like two or three cartoons or emails combined
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| - | :Homsar ''is'' a main character. Homsar has a character page, which classifies him as a main character. --[[User:Gafaddict|Gafaddict]] 23:42, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
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| - | ::He's appeared in around 24 episodes, actually. Go [[:Category:Homsar Filmography|here]] for the full list. -- [[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 18:31, 5 May 2005 (UTC)
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| - | :::Homsar has:
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| - | ::::A character video
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| - | ::::A figurine. In fact, said figurine is currently sitting on my shelf.
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| - | ::::Directly interacted with the main characters (of the characters SB has "created", I'm pretty sure Senor Cardgage was the only other character to do that.)
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| - | ::::A larger filmography than any non-main character AFAIK (smaller than all the other main characters, though.)
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| - | ::::When the main cast is assembled or referred to for whatever reason (all recent Halloween toons if he's unlocked, [[flashback]], [[your friends]], [[rock opera]]), Homsar is there.
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| - | :::Homsar is a main character. --[[User:Jay|<span style = "color: #9090FF">''Jay''</span>]] [[User talk:Jay|<span style = "color: #006030"><small>(Talk)</small></span>]] 20:03, 5 May 2005 (UTC)
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| - | ::::Yeah, but Strong Bad didn't create him, Vinnie did. -Alice
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| - | :::::No, Vinnie misspelled "Homestar." ''The Brothers Chaps'' created Homsar and made him a main character. He's not even the only character inspired by fans. The [[Kerrek]] and Kristen ([[So and So]]) each got their names from real people. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:52, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
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| - | Should we really have the computer Strong Bad uses up at the top of every email? That doesn't seem like useful information. -- [[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 18:31, 5 May 2005 (UTC)
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| - | :True, quite pointless. Buuuut, If Joey Day's theme'd format idea works out, that should work just as well... ''<tt>[[Special:Contributions/Thunderbird L17|<font color=gold>⇔</font>]][[User:Thunderbird L17|<font color=gold>Thunderbird</font>]][[User talk:Thunderbird L17|<font color=gold>⇔</font>]]</tt>'' 19:57, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
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| - | == Answer ==
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| - | I've heard some people here got their E-mail answered in the weekly Sbemail. I'm wondering, does Strong Bad actually send something back? [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 20:33, 6 May 2005 (UTC)
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| - | :He did. See [[Strong Bad Email#Fun Facts|Fun Facts]] on the Strong Bad Email page to see what he used to write back to you. →''<small><tt>[[User:FireBird|<font color=green>FireBird</font>]]</tt></small>''
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| - | ::I read that. But you won't get a real answer, not even if your E-mail made it to that weeks Sbemail? [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 20:39, 6 May 2005 (UTC)
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| - | :::Nope. Not anymore. →''<small><tt>[[User:FireBird|<font color=green>FireBird</font>]]</tt></small>''
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| - | == New email format... ==
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| - | For a long while now, I've been somewhat annoyed that we use <code>pre</code> tags to do Strong Bad Emails (even though I think it was initially my idea). I've set up a blockquote class in the stylesheet, so we can now do Strong Bad Emails like this (edit this page to see how I did this):
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| - | <blockquote class="email">Dear Strong Bad,<br />
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| - | Do you take your wrestling mask and boxing<br />
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| - | Sincerely,<br />
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| - | Abdi LaRue<br />
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| - | I want to throw this out there and see if the community would support this. The only annoyance is we have to start adding <code>br</code> tags so we can keep the formatting. If people like this, we can add it to the projects page and start editing all 129 emails. What does everyone think? — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 18:06, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
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| - | :At the very least, I think the style should be amended to keep the border and the different colored background. It makes it easily recognizable and distinguished. But I also like the old Courier font... maybe because it just says "email" to me. I dunno—I guess I could live without the font, but I really think the border should stay. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:54, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
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| - | ::I am using the Courier font in the stylesheet. It shows up correctly for me. Just to make sure you're seeing it correctly, could you do a hard-refresh of the page for me? Thanks. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 19:03, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
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| - | :::Oh, that did the trick! Hey, that's ''cool!'' I ''love'' Strong Bad's reflection. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:43, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
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| - | :I'm thinking no. Too fancy. --[[User:Gafaddict|Gafaddict]] 18:57, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
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| - | ::What do you mean, too fancy? Can you be more specific? Thanks. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 19:04, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
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| - | :::Strong Bad's head. I find that to just be going a bit extreme. The Lappy-colored border and black background, however, I like. --[[User:Gafaddict|Gafaddict]] 19:05, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
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| - | ::::Strong Bad's silhouette is my favorite part! I guess we'll have to get several more opinions before going forward with this. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 19:39, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
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| - | I love it! It is way better than...um...whatever we used for the older one is called. Keep the SB head at all costs please and thanks. --[[User:Because, It's Midnite|Because, It's Midnite]]
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| - | === Different styles for each computer ===
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| - | :Glitch0 doesn't look so great when outside Flash, see the [[HRWiki:Sandbox|sandbox]].
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| - | :: Hm, you're right, and that brings up a point I didn't think about. Those three fonts are not the same sizes, and they're all different from Courier New, so we'd have to somehow control the size of the fonts based on whether or not the user has the font installed. That wouldn't be easy. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 19:37, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
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| - | :::I think Courier's the best for this job. But you ''could'' make the Tandy-era emails green. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:46, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
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| - | ::::Wow, edit conflicted twice. Quite the hot topic. Anyways, I've said before, I just don't get the technical formatting lingo. But I'm in favor of the end result! I think that Joey Day's preview example is perfect, with a different look for each season, copying the font and all. But what happens when there's more text? Will Strong Bad's Head just get bigger or something? Although I really like that look, it still leaves a couple of things to be answered. What would we do with such emails as [[mile]], or [[cheatday]]? Would we make a special look for PBTC Strong Bad, or The Cheat himself? Also, "pre" is not used only in the case of Strong Bad getting an email, it's used whenever text is quoted, such as [[A Decemberween Pageant#Fun Facts|here]]. So if we make a special one for each email season, which is a really cool idea, we'd also need a basic format following the same kind of theme, one that encompases all other situations. Whatever happens, thank you Joey, for going to the trouble to make such an awsome quote thing. ''<tt>[[Special:Contributions/Thunderbird L17|<font color=gold>⇔</font>]][[User:Thunderbird L17|<font color=gold>Thunderbird</font>]][[User talk:Thunderbird L17|<font color=gold>⇔</font>]]</tt>'' 19:50, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
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| - | ::::'''EDIT:'''I just realized I could try 'show preview', and I like the look for long emails. The main problem is for emails one or two lines long. What then? ''<tt>[[Special:Contributions/Thunderbird L17|<font color=gold>⇔</font>]][[User:Thunderbird L17|<font color=gold>Thunderbird</font>]][[User talk:Thunderbird L17|<font color=gold>⇔</font>]]</tt>'' 19:53, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
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| - | :::::<nowiki>I don't think we'd do away with the regular <pre> tags for normal quoted material; we would only replace those on the emails, right? Replacing the <pre> tags would be pretty straightforward: just change the first one to <blockquote class="email"> and the second one to </blockquote>. Putting in the <br> tags would be a chore but also straightforward. As far as short emails go, a couple of "&nbsp;<br>" lines added at the end would make Strong Bad's face show in all its majesty.</nowiki> — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:05, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
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| - | ::::::<code>pre</code> is the wrong way to quote material. We should come up with a default style for <code>blockquote</code> and use that for everything. [EDIT: I just created a new default blockquote style and commented about it on the [[Talk:Main Page#New blockquote style...|Main Page talk page]] since it is relevant to more than just Strong Bad Emails.] Also, <code><nowiki>&nbsp;</nowiki></code> is the wrong way to create space (from a web-standards point of view). A better way would be to put a <code>min-height</code> attribute on the <code>blockquote</code>. Unfortunately, <code>min-height</code> doesn't work in IE. What's the shortest Strong Bad Email? I don't mind making the image a little smaller/shorter so it looks good with the shortest email. [EDIT: I just uploaded a new image (do a Ctrl+refresh to see it). It's shorter and smaller. Should work better with emails down to four lines long. Are there any emails shorter than that?] — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 20:55, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
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| - | :::::::I love you. Er... I don't mean I love ''you'' (although I'm sure you're a nice person)—I mean that [[i love you]] is the shortest email. (Or darned close. I didn't do a comprehensive search.) But the Strong Bad graphic was the perfect size the way it was. We should use the larger one. Why not use the <code>height</code> property? If the height of the box is greater than that specified by the property, it increases to fit. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:28, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
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| - | ::::::::Actually, [[i she be]] is the shortest, coming in at two lines. i love you has three lines, counting the blank one. You liked it bigger, eh? I wonder what Gafaddict (and any others that thought it was too fancy) think of the smaller size. I think it's a bit more subtle, at least. We can go back to the big size (I kept the original). I have an idea for short emails. I could create a class called <code>shortemail</code> that would have a set height equal to the height of the background image. We would use that style on short emails and the regular <code>email</code> style on all other emails. Does that sound re-zon-able? — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 21:41, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
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| - | :::::::I like it, but how would you distinguish the Lappy from the Compy? -- '''''[[User:Joshua|<font color=green>Joshua</font>]]''''' 21:49, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
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| - | :::::::::To distinguish the Lappy from the Compy, what if we used the default sans serif face (Verdana) or even Trebuchet. I just think this whole idea is cool (with the reflection, that is), so whatever we end up with will be fine... — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:57, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
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| - | ::::::::::I didn't notice earlier, It's dot com said, "If the height of the box is greater than that specified by the property, it increases to fit." That's actually not true. IE behaves that way, but IE is doing it wrong. The height property should be honored in all cases, even when there's too much text to fit in the box. Standards-compliant browsers like Mozilla and Opera do it the right way. Using the height property for all the emails wouldn't work. That's why I created the seperate <code>shortemail</code> class. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 22:17, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
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| - | :::::::::::Wow, that's frustrating. Stupid IE! (But I'm probably not switching anytime soon. *sigh*) — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:22, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
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| - | === Tandy styled email test ===
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| - | Just done a quick test with Tandy styled email. Not pretty with Westminster installed. See below. --[[User:Venusy|<font face="Commodore 64">Venusy</font>]] <sub><tt>([[User talk:Venusy|Talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Venusy|Contributions]])</tt></sub>, 21:01, 13 May 2005 (BST)
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| - | <blockquote class="email"><font face="westminster"><font color="green">Dear Strong Bad,<br />
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| - | Do you take your wrestling mask and boxing<br />
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| - | Sincerely,<br />
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| - | Abdi LaRue<br />
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| - | :Maybe just leave it as Courier and bold it? — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:05, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
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| - | ::Yeah, I think we've settled on Courer for emails no matter what era they're from. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 20:55, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
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| - | === Short email format ===
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| - | <blockquote class="short email">hey my name is great looking girl strong bad!<br />
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| - | i she be your girlfriend.</blockquote>
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| - | How does that work out? (Ctrl+Refresh if you don't see it correctly.) — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 21:47, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
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| - | :I like that. What if we used the small image on short emails and the larger one for the regula-types? — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:57, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
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| - | ::I switched back to the bigger one, but cut off the bottom a little to make it shorter (Ctrl+Refresh to see it). I don't think it looks too bad cutting off the top of Strong Bad's head. As long as his eyes are clearly visible, I think it looks fine. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 22:31, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
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| - | :::Yeah, that looks good. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:40, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
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| - | === More tests ===
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| - | <blockquote class="short email" style="color:#00B900;">hey my name is great looking girl strong bad!<br />
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| - | Never been a fan of 'lime green'. Here's a vote for a slightly darker green. ''<tt>[[Special:Contributions/Thunderbird L17|<font color=gold>⇔</font>]][[User:Thunderbird L17|<font color=gold>Thunderbird</font>]][[User talk:Thunderbird L17|<font color=gold>⇔</font>]]</tt>'' 00:46, 14 May 2005 (UTC)
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| - | :I just adjusted the green to be the same green used on H*R. How does it look now? — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:21, 15 May 2005 (UTC)
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| - | ::I like it. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 18:15, 20 May 2005 (UTC)
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| - | <blockquote class="email" style="width:450px">Dear Strong Bad,<br>
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| - | what would you look like as a<br>
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| - | -james f.</blockquote>
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| - | ==== Lappy era with Trebuchet ====
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| - | <blockquote class="email" style="font-family:'Trebuchet MS';">Dear Strongbad,<br>
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| - | Why <s>doesn't homestar ever</s> wear pants? <s>It's kind of</s><br>
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| - | creepy <s>how he walks around with no</s> pants <s>on</s> all the time.<br>
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| - | <s>Anyway, I think you should</s> get <s>him</s> some <s>pants,</s> maybe <s>some</s><br>
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| - | parachute <s>pants would work...yeah, that would work. Or</s> maybe<br>
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| - | <s>some</s> clown <s>pants, I don't</s> care, <s>just get him</s> some <s>p</s>ants!<br>
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| - | Toot<s>les!</s><br>
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| - | ==== Special cases ====
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| - | *Pom-Pilot email ([[the bird]])
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| - | *Tangerine Dreams email ([[weird dream]])
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| - | *PBTC email ([[mile]])
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| - | *Does anybody remember those SBemails that were on like an old LCD phone? I can't find it anywhere on the site. Am I crazy? — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:41, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
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| - | :Are you thinking of the [[Pom Pilot]]? ''<tt>[[Special:Contributions/Thunderbird L17|<font color=gold>⇔</font>]][[User:Thunderbird L17|<font color=gold>Thunderbird</font>]][[User talk:Thunderbird L17|<font color=gold>⇔</font>]]</tt>'' 00:49, 14 May 2005 (UTC)
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| - | ::No, he's thinking of [[Secret Pages#Random Things|Wireless Bizness]]. It no longer works, so I'm not entirely sure that it is possible to even get the transcript of these. I think that the only remaining one on the site (that wasn't a standard SBEmail) is/was "Salty Plum Soda", which can be viewed [[HR:menuswfs/menu_sbmail.swf|here]]. --[[User:Venusy|<font face="Commodore 64">Venusy</font>]] <sub><tt>([[User talk:Venusy|Talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Venusy|Contributions]])</tt></sub>, 12:03, 14 May 2005 (BST)
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| - | :::According to [[E-mail_Birds#Real-World_References|this page]], the Wireless Bizness was used as one of the hidden emails on the DVD. Assuming that's right, then we have transcripts of them after all. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:34, 20 May 2005 (UTC)
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| - | :I thought about standardizing the width too. I don't have anything against it, though I think it may have implications if a user increases their text size or shrinks their browser window. The more I think about it, though, the more I realize it probably wouldn't be a problem. Other web-standards advocates might disagree with me though. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 23:01, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
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| - | Would there be a way of incorperating the subjects into the lappy era email format? It would make them stand out from the Compy, and ya gotta put 'em somewhere... ''<tt>[[Special:Contributions/Thunderbird L17|<font color=gold>⇔</font>]][[User:Thunderbird L17|<font color=gold>Thunderbird</font>]][[User talk:Thunderbird L17|<font color=gold>⇔</font>]]</tt>'' 19:19, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
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| - | :That's a good point. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:23, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
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| - | I know it was my idea in the first place, but I'm not sure I like having individual formats for each computer (let alone the special cases). I think we need some consistency, and the proposed format is simple and ambiguous. It doesn't look exactly like any of the computers, and therefore approximates all of them equally well. This business of creating three (or more) different formats only complicates the issue unnecessarily. Anybody agree with me? — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 21:04, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
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| - | :<s>That makes good sense. If we're not going to deal with all the special cases, then we should have ''one'' standardized format. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:09, 18 May 2005 (UTC)</s>
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| - | ::Okay, but I still feel we should have subjects integrated in somehow, which calls for a different Lappy font, in which case we may as well go for one for each time frame. I still like that idea. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 02:03, 19 May 2005 (UTC)
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| - | :One format works for me, except I think something needs to be done with the "subject bar" of the lappy emails. I think it would look really bad in the way it is done now. -- '''''[[User:Joshua|<font color=green>Joshua</font>]]''''' 02:07, 19 May 2005 (UTC)
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| - | :It seems to me that since the Lappy emails will need to differ--having a blue subject line--that it wouldn't be too much trouble to make a green one for the Tandy. — [[User:Jesse's Girl|Jesse's Girl]] 18:58, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
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| - | Here's a blue subject line for the Lappy emails. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 21:49, 22 May 2005 (UTC)
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| - | <div>subject: Just wondering...</div>
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| - | Dear Strongbad,<br />
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| - | What would you do different, if you could do it all over<br />
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| - | again?<br />
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| - | Crapfully yours,<br />
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| - | Richie Z<br />
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| - | Ooh, that's real good. But I still think we don't need it to be wider than 450 or 500 pixels. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 02:01, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
| + | :In theory, the idea isn't bad: I've thought of making a template with all the block quotes. But making 200 different templates is too tedious and problematic to maintain. Better to have a single template that has all the quotes in one place, selectable by a switch statement. That way you can just programmatically pass the email number as a variable (for example <code><nowiki>{{sbemailTemplate|165}}</nowiki></code>; name pending) and maintain the code in a single location. The downside would be that of performance as template limits might be reached if all 200 emails are included in a single page. Either way, most likely the already-created templates will be deleted. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 20:23, 7 January 2023 (UTC) |
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| - | :Do a hard refresh (Ctrl+F5). I updated the layout earlier today to give the subject line a bit of padding and to fix the width at 500px. I'd love for this to go live this week. Anybody have any last-minute objections? — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 04:26, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
| + | Dear Homestar Runner Wiki,<br> |
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| - | ::Sounds pretty good. Just wondering: Are we doing a seperate Tandy format (green)? I wouldn't mind seeing it as the same font, just different color. Then with the subject bar added for the lappys, there's all three computers with seperate formats, easily. Or are we sticking with just the two? {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 04:34, 26 May 2005 (UTC) | + | |
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| - | Dear Stong Bah,<br><br>The more I think about it, the more I'd still<br>kinda like the Tandys to be in green. We don't<br>have to worry about fonts or anything, but having<br>a different color for the early emails is simple<br>and straightforward. By the way, the green used<br>on H*R is #00B900 (and the closest web-safe color,<br>if we ''insist'' on using only those, is #00CC00).<br><br>Your friend,<br>[[User:It's dot com|<span style="color:#00B900;text-decoration:underline">It's dot com</span>]] 04:54, 26 May 2005 (UTC)</blockquote>
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| - | Dear [[User:It's dot com|<span style="color:#00B900;text-decoration:underline">It's dot com</span>]], C/O [[User:JoeyDay|<span style="color:#00B900;text-decoration:underline">Joey Day</span>]]:<br> | + | |
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| - | Ditto.<br>
| + | I was wondering why someone was creating hundreds of templates for individual emails that in practice, would only be used once. It seems more logical to have a |
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| - | {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 00:36, 27 May 2005 (UTC)<br>
| + | Also, a customizable template would also provide the opportunity for me to |
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| - | === Final styles? ===
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| - | I think we've arrived at three final styles. Check the source to see how I did these (because of new css rules I've also gone back and changed some of the previous mock-ups, so don't get confused).
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| - | ==== Tandy ====
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| - | <code><nowiki><blockquote class="tandy email"></blockquote></nowiki></code>
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| - | <blockquote class="tandy email">
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| - | Dear Strong Bad,<br />
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| - | Do you take your wrestling mask and boxing<br />
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| - | gloves off before you go to bed?<br />
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| - | Sincerely,<br />
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| - | strong bad,<br />
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| - | <code><nowiki><blockquote class="email"></blockquote></nowiki></code> with <code><nowiki><div>subject: whatever</div></nowiki></code>
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| - | Dear Strong Bad,<br />
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| - | What would you like as if you were your own made up<br />
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| - | Sincerely,<br />
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| - | You can also do a short email by adding the word "short" into the class declaration (i.e. <code><nowiki>class="short tandy email"</nowiki></code> or <code><nowiki>class="short email"</nowiki></code>. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 15:09, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
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| - | :Cool. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 15:31, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
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| - | :What's the difference? I see no difference whatsoever between, say, "compy email" and "short compy email". --{{User:Jay/sig}} 21:06, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
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| - | <blockquote class="email">Instead of like this.</blockquote>
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| - | :This will look great! I was getting sick of those pre tags... {{User:Rainer/sig}} 03:26, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
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| - | :Me: (dejectedly) I liked that computer...I mean—I liked those pre tags... --[[User:VolatileChemical|VolatileChemical]] 18:20, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
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| - | There's been some additions to the NQSBEs that don't seem to make a whole lot a sense. Originally this was cartoons that were linked, at some point, from SB's computer (such as The Thing in a Bag). But now its any time anyone answers an email... which is something totally different.
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| - | I'd say these three should defiently be removed, but I'm new here so I don't want to go and do it and be yelled at.
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| - | # 127½. HomestarRunner.com PAY PLUS! ("The Email Show" is one of the pay-per-view features.)
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| - | # 87½. Fan Costume Commentary (One fan is pretending to answer a Strong Bad Email.)
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| - | *I think that Pay Plus should definately stay (because it actually contains part of a theoretical Strong Bad Email) and King of Town Email should too (if [[anything]] is still called a sbemail, then this could be too), but not Fan Costume Commentary, which is more of a reference. <small><tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|<span style="color:#8B0000;">Aurora the Homestar Coder</span>]]</tt></small> 04:52, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
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| - | **I don't think it matters if they contain SB email material; it matters if they originated from the computer. They begin as SBE's but aren't. Thats a NQSBE. The other examples are just Someone Doing Something Emailish. (SDSE, since I haven't used enough acronyms here.) And [[anything]] *could* be a NQSBE, but its defiently been labeled a sbemail. The brief KoT thing defiently doesn't count. -[[User:Piscez|Piscez]]
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| - | ***I have to disagree with your definition there. Personally, I think it counts if it contains sbemail material, not just if it gets linked from Strong Bad's computer. I would rather get rid of Lookin' at a Thing in a Bag than Pay Plus. <small><tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|<span style="color:#8B0000;">Aurora the Homestar Coder</span>]]</tt></small> 05:32, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
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| - | ****Well for the longest time, the only ones mentioned were the ones like TIAB. The others were added recently, by someone who didn't understand the reason for the category. "The following shorts were originally associated in one way or another with the Strong Bad Emails." That doesn't say "Any time anyone answered an email." Not a big deal really... but I'm right. :-P -[[User:Piscez|Piscez]]
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| - | *****That's very nice that you agree with the description, but I'm saying I think the description should be changed. <small><tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|<span style="color:#8B0000;">Aurora the Homestar Coder</span>]]</tt></small> 14:26, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
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| - | ***Puppet Time and the Trogdor game one are the only ones I think should go from the current list. -- '''''[[User:Joshua|<font color=green>Joshua</font>]]''''' 15:14, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
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| - | ****But... they are WHAT a "Not Quite a Strong Bad Email" IS. ...But since this is probably the stupidest thing to argue about ever, I'll admit defeat, even though I'm totally right. Someone change the description so that it matches the new, wrong, stupid definition. -[[User:Piscez|Piscez]]
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| - | *****Considering that the definition of "Not Quite a Strong Bad Email" is an arbitrary construct of the wiki, I hardly think that my alternate definition is "wrong" and "stupid". Strong Bad Email is one of the most visited pages, especially by non-wiki people who are probably only casual Homestar Runner watchers. I think that they will care more that there is part of an email embedded in "Pay Plus" than that "Puppet Time" was once, long ago, linked to from the Compy, but otherwise has no connection to sbemail. <small><tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|<span style="color:#8B0000;">Aurora the Homestar Coder</span>]]</tt></small> 01:19, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
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| - | *I agree with Aurora. Pay Plus needs to be there. Anything that contains part of an email is technically a "not quite Strong Bad Email". -- [[User:Tony Stony|Tony Stony]] 00:47, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
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| - | ** I'm with Aurora on this one too. I once looked at the NQSBE list and wondered what on Earth "Puppet Time" was doing there. Reading the description cleared it up, but I do think that it still doesn't fit that well. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 01:26, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
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| - | ***Thanks, guys. I think that "Puppet Time" and "Thing in a Bag" should go, because they have no connection to sbemail other than once being linked from the Compy. "Superbowl Dealie" should probably also go, because its only connection is a message from the Paper. I'm inclined to keep "Arcade Game" because of Homestar using the Compy, but I'm not too sure about this one either (it seems Joshua would disagree too). The others, I think, should stay. More thoughts? <small><tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|<span style="color:#8B0000;">Aurora the Homestar Coder</span>]]</tt></small> 01:36, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
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| - | **** I agree wholeheartedly on Puppet Time and Thing in a Bag. Superbowl Dealie could go either way - I can see reasons for keeping it and reasons for dumping it. However, I ''do'' think Arcade Game should stay. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 01:38, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
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| - | ***** So... Did anything ever happen with this? It was over a month ago... I personally don't see any harm leaving them be, since if there's only two or three in question, leave them all there for the sake of doubtless completion. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 03:36, 21 Jul 2005 (UTC)
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| - | I think that if the strong bad emails were in a table with pictures next to each one it would look freaking good but thats just my oppinion -<small>[[User:Pertmywert|Pertmywert]]|<sub>[[User_Talk:Pertmywert|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Pertmywert|Contributions]][[Image:Runninghomestar.gif|28px]]</sub></small>
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| - | :I dunno. That sure would take up way more space than it does now. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:14, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
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| - | Why don't we start articles that redirect to the sbemails? I was thinking that typing [[sbemail1]] would deliver you to [[some kinda robot]], [[sbemail2]] would throw up [[homsar]] ''et cetera''. [[User:Ppk01|Ppk01]] 07:04, 10 Jul 2005 (UTC)
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| - | :I've always liked this idea. Is there any reason why we ''shouldn't'' do this? — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:42, 10 Jul 2005 (UTC)
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| - | ::You know what? I'm on to it. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 21:01, 18 Jul 2005 (UTC)
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| - | :::Every time such pages have been made in the past, they were promptly DELETED!! --{{User:Jay/sig}} 06:40, 19 Jul 2005 (UTC)
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| - | ::::Why is it so bad? Sometimes when I don't remember the name of the email but know the number, it's easier to just write it in the URL bar and get redirected to the email itself. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 07:36, 19 Jul 2005 (UTC)
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| - | :::::In addition, a user unfamiliar with the wiki would also be likely to try to type the sbemail number in directly. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 07:40, 19 Jul 2005 (UTC)
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| - | ::::::I suppose that my #1 concern was that redirects like these were made in the past and then deleted by [[User:The Paper|The Paper]]. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 08:14, 19 Jul 2005 (UTC)
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| - | :::::::I'm not saying the what The Paper did is wrong, but did he give any reasons for the deletions? {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 08:35, 19 Jul 2005 (UTC)
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| - | ::::::::The deletion log shows Jay and Kilroy deleted sbemail1 and sbemail2, not [[User:The Paper]]. (See [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=&user=&page=sbemail1] [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=&user=&page=sbemail2]) Anyway, I don't see creating the redirects as being a problem. In fact, I can remember [[User talk:Tom#Redirects|Joey wanting to do this a long long time ago]]. I disagreed with him then, but I don't see anything wrong with it at this point it time.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 17:09, 19 Jul 2005 (UTC)
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| - | :::::::::So what now? Is it OK for me to go ahead and start redirecting? I made a list in MS Word with all the code I need (More like 133 lines of <nowiki>#REDIRECT [[email name]]</nowiki>) {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 04:26, 20 Jul 2005 (UTC)
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| - | ::::::::::It looks like you can go for it. And to any naysayers still out there: c'mon, they're just redirects. They hardly take up space, but they would make the wiki (at least a little) more convenient. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 13:26, 20 Jul 2005 (UTC)
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| - | :::::::::::What do you say, Jay? {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 13:52, 20 Jul 2005 (UTC)
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| - | ::::::::::::Well I think it's an okay idea, as long as they're only gonna be used for FINDING the page, but we'll continue always linking to the name, right? I just don't want half of the links going to a certain name, and the other half going to sbemail###. Besides that little danger though, I'm on the redirect bandwagon. It is gonna stop here though, right? I don't think numbering the toons or anything is that good of an idea... {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 03:29, 21 Jul 2005 (UTC)
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| - | :::::::::::::I don't think that would be a problem. You should never intentionally link to a redirect. As far as numbering toons goes, there's absolutely no danger of that. With these emails, we're not inventing the numbering sceme, just merely using a term TBC already use. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 03:34, 21 Jul 2005 (UTC)
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| - | <nowiki>*</nowiki>whew* Well, that's done. Thanks, Some HSR themed username, for your assistance. (Final score: Dot com, 110; HSR username, 23.) Sorry for not waiting to let you help, E.L. Cool, but I guess I kinda got a fire under my shorts and decided to go ahead and do it. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 04:20, 21 Jul 2005 (UTC)
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| - | :No problem. You really had it worked down to a science there. Plus you had like, an hour head start. No way I could catch up. Next episode, Dot com! Next episooooooode! Anyway, that's one less thing for everybody to worry about. {{User:Some HSR themed username/sig}} 04:28, 21 Jul 2005 (UTC)
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| - | ::Aha! Check the edit log, my friend, and you will discover that I did mine in not an hour but... ''thirty minutes!'' For you math majors out there, that's an average of one every 16.4 seconds! I mean, I hate to brag, but at one point I was ''flying''. About number 67, I checked the Recent changes again to see if anyone had noticed and decided to help (which I figured would be the case), and I saw you. And so it was a race to see when we would meet! (I realize that normal people would find it stupid how much enjoyment we get out of doing dumb maintenance stuff like this, but admit it, we do.) — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 04:40, 21 Jul 2005 (UTC)
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| - | :::How true, how true. I just made up a length of time, considered actually checking, then decided I was too lazy. But wow. That's fast. You averaged about two for every ''one'' I did. Incredible. I checked RC too to see where you were, and was amazed how quickly you'd progressed. Good jorb. {{User:Some HSR themed username/sig}} 04:45, 21 Jul 2005 (UTC)
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| - | :Well, it's OK. I was sick that day any-dang-way. Grood jorb. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 04:54, 21 Jul 2005 (UTC)
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| - | :Missed the rest of this discussion. Yes, it was Kilroy, not The Paper, and I'm sorry for the misattribuition. Anyway, the only thing that really bothered me about it was that someone had deleted them in the past; I figured there must have been a reason so I just went along with it. Sorry for the trouble. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 19:17, 26 Jul 2005 (UTC)
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| - | == E-mail 134 ==
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| - | Earlier today I went to Homestarrunner.com to see the new email, but the main page was still linking to E-mail 133! The Brothers Chaps are really slacking off!
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| - | The White Knight of Fianna 14:11, 25 Jul 2005 (UTC)
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| - | :When was this? This link takes me to the correct email. Perhaps your cache needs clearing. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 14:13, 25 Jul 2005 (UTC)
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| - | It was at about 9:00 AM this morning. I know what a cache is, but
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| - | :What is there not to get? If you know what chace is, you should know how to clear it. It's a bit different to clear your cache in Firefox, and I've forgotten how to do it in Internet Explorer. {{User:FireBird/sig}} 14:20, 25 Jul 2005 (UTC)
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| - | Well I obviously don't.
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| - | :Tools --> Options... --> Privacy --> Cache --> "Clear". This is for Mozilla Firefox. I'm not sure about Internet Explorer, but a hard refresh (Ctrl+F5) might do the trick. {{User:FireBird/sig}} 14:36, 25 Jul 2005 (UTC)
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| - | Should we place one of these in each E-mail?
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| - | <td width="30%" align="center">Preceded by:<br>
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| - | :Why would we need this? The long list of Strong Bad Emails at the bottom of each email shows your position. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 04:17, 5 Aug 2005 (UTC)
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| - | ::Wikipedia uses this all over the place. Here's an example with [[wikipedia:Henry_VIII%2C_King_of_England|King Henry VIII]] of England (scroll down). Having the full list of emails displayed at the bottom might become a little clunky as the list grows. I'm not necesarily lobbying it, but the precedent does exist in Wikipedia. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 02:21, 15 Aug 2005 (UTC)
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| - | :We need that template. Quick access to ''every'' email down there is a must. - '''''[[User:Joshua|<font color=green>Joshua</font>]]'''''
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| - | :::I based [[Template:Strong Bad Email]] on [[Wikipedia:Template:USpresidents]]. That template seems to exist in harmony with the succession box on all of the US President articles. We'd have to create something other that our current [[Template:Succession box]], since the email box wouldn't have a "years" variable. That is of course, if and only if there was consensus to go through with it.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 02:45, 15 Aug 2005 (UTC)
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| - | I was thinking... I'd like to make navigation buttons near the top or bottom of the page to take you either to the next e-mail or the previous e-mail. Tell me if you think it's a bad idea, but i was looking for them because about once a month i go thru each e-mail and watch them all and i refer to the wiki for all the easter eggs. If there was a button near the top, i could just keep flowing, i know that each e-mail page has a list of all the e-mails but i don't always go all the eay to the bottom, just let me know if it would be worth the work or if you disagree. I'm open to suggestions too.--[[User:Adamlw|Adamlw]] 03:30, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)
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| - | :Well, I'd say there's a market for such an idea, based on the above conversation. Why don't you work up a prototype and post it here. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 03:32, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)
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| - | Wow, i added my comment before i noticed someone had brought it up. and it fell in nicely...--[[User:Adamlw|Adamlw]] 03:34, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)
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| - | :I dunno, I think the list of every email is fine, especially with the selected email somewhat hilighted while you're in it. I think it's fine as is. Although one little side topic that I think would be handy, is a quick sort of 'back' link to the main [[Strong Bad Email]] page. I know it's at the bottom, and the left (in the navigation 'always there' link), but by simply linking the SBEmail in '''[[Strong Bad Email]] #XX''' at the top of the page, it would probably be a bit easier to go back. Just a thought, if anyone's up to doing that. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 01:27, 24 Aug 2005 (UTC)
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| - | ::As you mantioned, there are already '''two''' links to the same page in every Strong Bad Email. A third one would particaly breake the "Once and Only Once" rule even more. And you don't ''realy'' have scroll ''all'' the way down. Just click the "External Links" at the bottom of the Table of contents. What kind of lazy guy are you that you can't even pick up the mouse and scroll for half a second? {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 05:20, 24 Aug 2005 (UTC)
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| - | :::I personally think the Strong Bad Email links we currently have are plenty, but I want to point out that "[[HRWiki:Once And Only Once|Once and Only Once]]" does ''not'' mean what we commonly take it to mean. But ''that'' discussion is for another day. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 05:59, 24 Aug 2005 (UTC)
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| - | :I'm sorry, I'm not usually that 'lazy' in real life, really. All I meant was that generally when you're looking for a 'back' button, you naturally look at the top right. And it wouldn't be that hard to add one to the top right. And the 'once and only once' linking rule just means in such cases as a large article meantioning something several times, only the top one would be linked. But in the cases of pages such as [[Strong Bad Email By Name]], there's nothing wrong with linking something like [[spring cleaning]] or [[huttah!]] several times. In this case, I don't think the additional link would be too bad either. But I'm not one for going against the majority, so if most folks thinks it's a bad idea, then it won't happen. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 00:58, 26 Aug 2005 (UTC) | + | -- [[Special:Contributions/68.37.43.131|68.37.43.131]] 23:19, 7 January 2023 (UTC)</blockquote> |
| | + | ::I would only approve of this if they were combined into one template as Stux suggested, and even then I don't think it's necessary. Either way, I think the created templates should be deleted. {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig}} 05:22, 8 January 2023 (UTC) |
| | + | :::These templates don't do anything except move one instance of code off the page where it appears. I don't see any benefit to this. Templates are useful for formatting, which these don't help with, or repetition, which I'd do a different way if we really thought we needed. (Given that sbemails aren't updating, I also don't think we currently need any formatting templates.) — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:31, 9 January 2023 (UTC) |
So far, it seems there are 3 votes for em dashes, 1 votes for parentheses, 1 vote for tables, and 1 vote for an alternative solution. That's probably the closest we'll get to a consensus, so I've made the changes. I'm putting my reasoning here in place of an edit summary:
The wiki's font size is intended to be read comfortably, so this list should stick to that. Like Lira said, if the text looks cluttered, that's a problem with the wiki rather than this list, so the discussion should be moved elsewhere. Every list on the wiki is formatted the same way, and no one has ever complained of their clutteredness before, to my knowledge. This list is no different in content, and that should be reflected in its appearance. Additionally, I think the consistent size looks cleaner and less arbitrary, and the em dash creates a neat separation between title and description. 
Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 21:26, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
Two points to make
1. Why did we never have an article for the Strong Bad Email menus in general when the Toon Time and the speciality sbemail ones have a page?
2. The new menu works completely differently and will probably need it's won page or subsection. Still trying figurue out if there's a pattern to Strong Bad's comments on the emails. Guybrush20X6 02:02, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
I had an idea a while ago. What if instead of putting a whole blockquote thingy for an email, say strong badathlon, instead we made a template for the email. I tried it out and it works.
What do you guys think? Cool idea? Stupid idea? I have made more templates over on my sandbox. - HoveringSombrero (talk) 
timmodonuts (T/C) 15:37, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
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