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[edit] Archive

I REALLY think we need to archive this page. It's too long to edit (some browsers may have problems editing pages over 30 kilobytes long). And by the way, when I go to it just says:

Warning: mysql_connect(): Can't connect to MySQL server on '(insert random Ip address here)' (113) in /home/hrwiki/public_html/old/lib/db.php on line 17
Error connecting to database.
Please contact the administrator for assistance. 

--—Darklinkskywalker|Talk_|i did this stuff_ 19:01, 25 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Thank you for your concern. If you are having trouble editing this page, please use the "edit this section" links. As for the old wiki, what specifically are you attempting to access? -- Tom 21:09, 25 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Doesn't matter what page, it always gives me that message every time. --—Darklinkskywalker|Talk_|i did this stuff_ 02:31, 27 Aug 2005 (UTC)

I just wanna see the old wiki. --—Darklinkskywalker|Talk_|i did this stuff_ 17:19, 27 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Sorry, I can't help you there. Perhaps the Internet Archive would help? -- Tom 03:53, 28 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Then what purpose does serve? --—Darklinkskywalker|Talk_|i did this stuff_ 02:00, 3 Sep 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Replacing an Image

How do you replace an Image that is already in existance? Like, to resize it or something?--minibaseball.png Bkmlb(talk to me·stuff I did) 18:32, 28 Aug 2005 (UTC)

You name the image the exact same title (including uppercase and lowercase PNG/png) that is on the wiki. A much nicer way to replace images, I've found. —BazookaJoe 18:34, 28 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Thank You!! I wasn't sure if non-sysops could do it.--minibaseball.png Bkmlb(talk to me·stuff I did) 18:43, 28 Aug 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Links using images

I asked this question on my talk page. Just read my talk page under the "your sig" section, but read the part starting from the "I have another question" part. Basically, I want to link a picture on my sig from here or uploaded on here to my talk page. If that doesn't make sense... then just read my talk page! If you have any ideas, then please answer here, or on my talk page! --arrow4.PNG~Rebecca~ RJMT speaker-noise.gif 00:14, 2 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Speaker.gif -- Tom 05:33, 2 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Add <span class="plainlinks"> ... </span> before and after the above code to remove the arrow (look at the source code of my sig below if that's not clear). There will, however, be a gap between the speaker and whatever follows it, like this: — It's dot com Speaker.gif05:54, 2 Sep 2005 (UTC)

[edit] changing an image's size

exacly how do i do that because if you look at my user page you can see that the right h*r logo is not totally by the edge. so i need to make the picture of the cheat smaller. can you tell me how to do this?

You usually only need to ask a question in one place. See the reply here. — It's dot com 18:31, 19 Sep 2005 (UTC)

[edit] The Brothers Chaps

Do the brothers chaps know about this site and/or have an account?-----Anon

TBC know about it, but no, they do not have an account. Rogue Leader / (my talk) 22:43, 24 Sep 2005 (UTC)
Well, Rogie, no one can be sure of that ;D Homestramy20|Talk 22:46, 24 Sep 2005 (UTC)
True, True... Rogue Leader / (my talk) 22:47, 24 Sep 2005 (UTC)
I doubt they would have an account. If they ever tried to fix something obscure (like a weird reference), it would probably be reverted as "speculation." If TBC insisted, they would then have to identify themselves, which then either no one would believe them or they would be pestered to no end with crazy questions and suggestions for the site. On the other hand, I wouldn't be surprised if they had fixed something minor here and there anonymously. — It's dot com 03:57, 25 Sep 2005 (UTC)
Good point, as always It's dot com. Though I don't think they would be using thier preciouse time that they could use to be doing things on thier own site to be doing "minor edits" here. But, ya never know. Homestramy20|Talk 06:09, 25 Sep 2005 (UTC)
Didn't someone named shadow or something get banned for posing as TBC?---Anon 08:26, 26 Sep 2005 (EST)
Judging by the "Help!" section of this talk page, I think they did. Or rather, their cousin. Right... — talk Bubsty edits 03:02, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Punctuation standards

Is there a standards page for punctuation? For instance, a page I just edited is inconsistent as to whether commas and periods go inside or outside quotation marks. Caradhras

HRWiki:Standards. And also, please sign your posts. Homestramy20|Talk 06:12, 25 Sep 2005 (UTC)

(I retroactively signed my question...)
Thanks for the link. The page doesn't explicitly address my question, though it does provide an answer by example: it places commas/periods outside quotation marks, in the British style. I can't help but notice a contrast with the spelling used on the site, which is typically American ("color" rather than "colour," "racket" rather than "racquet.") Is it worth someone (me? someone more experienced?) adding a section to the standards page describing which spellings & which forms of punctuation are preferred? -- Caradhras 06:34, 25 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Hmm.. I'm not positive about that. I guess that would be up to someone more expirenced (although, I do know some things, I'm still a bit new to some of the wiki's standars as well). I'm thinking that since most of the people who visit The wiki and the Homestar Runner site itself are mostly American, then they use American punctuation and spelling. But, i'm sure someone around here can help you out. Also, if you want to sign your name, just type in four tildes:~~~~. It will automaticly put your name up after editing a post. Homestramy20|Talk 06:40, 25 Sep 2005 (UTC)

There isn't really one standard, nor do I think there should be, due to the vastly different things that get quoted around here. For running text, punctuation inside the quotation marks is usually appropriate: "One o' them said they'd buy me lunch. But I don't see nobody taking me to Chick-fil-A." For other things, it is sometimes better to put the punctuation outside the quotation marks: One of the links in the navbar is called "rando". That way, there's no doubt as to whether the punctuation is part of the link or not. It basically comes down to which particular style fits a given sentence. — It's dot com 23:08, 25 Sep 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Getting pictures

How do I take pictures from the cartoons for use on the site?

You'll need to take a screenshot.. -- Tom 21:56, 27 Sep 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Signature Shortcut

Is there a shortcut to including a signature (the analog of three tildes=Trey56), instead of entering User:Trey56/sig within two sets of curly brackets?

I don't exactly get what you mean. If you want it so that User:Trey56/sig comes up when you type ~~~, go to Preferences, type {{User:Trey56/sig}}, and check the box that says Raw signatures (without automatic link)" --videlectrix.pngENUSY discussionitem_icon.gif user.gifmail_icon.gif, 17:55, 28 September 2005 (BST)
Thanks! Trey56 17:10, 28 Sep 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Password help times two

Help! It won't let me login. I acidently clicked on the 'email me a new password. On my email it says I got it on September 24, 2005. Right now, it's October 9. When I put in the password that was sent, it says there's a problem. Please help!!--bkmlb (not logged in)

Help! It won't let me login. I acidently clicked on the 'email me a new password. On my email it says I got it on September 24, 2005. Right now, it's October 9. When I put in the password that was sent, it says there's a problem. Please help!! EDIT: Also, when ever I go to my talk page or my user page, I'm logged in, but I'm not logged in anywhere else.--bkmlb (not logged in)
Users like lowercase first letters can no longer login. See the discussion here here for details. -- Tom 16:28, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Why are my edits reverted?

I've tried to put some info on colonization and anything, but they keep getting erased. WHY DOES EVERYTHING I ADD KEEP GETTING ERASED?!-RHRN

Try following the HRWiki:Standards. Adding content that thanks the editor for making such a great contribution [1] or that clearly is not true [2] or not notable [3] is not acceptable. -- Tom 17:28, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

Dude, why does everything I add keep getting erased? I'd like an answer and I want it NOW!!!!!! Crapfully yours, RHRN the Jigglypuff Duffman. P.S. The Homestar=Dingodile is TOTALLY true, seeing as both are soooooooooo goooooooood!

The simple answer to your question, RHRN, is that edits get reverted because the wiki isn't your opinion, it's a compromise of everyone's. The fact that Homestar seems like characters from Crash Bandicoot is your opinion, and until TBC reveal that they were influenced by it, you can't prove it. The only way something exists on the wiki is if a majority of people agree with it. Reverting isn't a personal insult. —AbdiViklas 18:23, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

You are the best AbdiViklas!! Now to edit something with Tommy's approval. About, colonization, I put that Bubs and Strong Bad SHARED Strongbadia, yet it got reverted and it was true,notable,and had no contribution to me or anyone. Can you help me with some way to reach my vocabulary so it makes enough sense so it stays on that e-mail I edited? With lots of crap, RHRN

Also, AbdiViklas, I also edited Teen Girl Squad Issue 10 with my "opinion" that it was an insult to Hilary Duff, Billy Idol, AND MTV. This was also true,and notable, yet it got erased. With lots of contribution to you, RHRN

First of all, I had the idea that Bubs sold it to Strong Bad. And I'm not current enough on Duff et alia to know why it would be an insult. But I think the best thing is to discuss both these issues on the Talk pages for those articles, not here. See you over there! —AbdiViklas 19:59, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] The Wiki Times by RHRN

Can I contribute this to AbdiViklas please? He's soooooooooooo gooooooood at everything and I'm a noob that I want to make articles that can make things editable without Tommy having to revert it. Sincerely crap, RHRN

Well, if you want help from AbdiViklas, I suggest you ask him. If you're wondering if you can change someone else's user page, the answer is usually no. You can feel free to alter your own user page. Also, if you add valid input, with no vulgarity or peronal attacks, your edits have a higher chance of staying where they are. — Lapper (talk) 03:19, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Accounts

How do I delete my account?

Why would you want to? Do you have an account? (Your IP address doesn't count.) --It's Jay Times! (tines) 19:13, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

Yes, I have one, but I don't want it anymore.

Seriously. How do I delete my account!!??

Just stop using it. We need to keep a record of it, so it cant be deleted. small_logo.pngUsername-talk 19:20, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
I'm not going to delete it, but I am curious: what is this account? --It's Jay Times! (tines) 19:21, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Cool Signatures

I see lots of people who have shiny and cool signatures. How do you do that? Mine is just boring ol' red text (until i make a user page again). Thanks,

Kerrek slaya 19:30, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

See Help:Signature for help with a signature. small_logo.pngUsername-talk 19:32, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Strong Bad Sings and other type hits CD

How do you access the music video for "these peoples try to fade me" on the computer? I don't know which program or whatever to pick because every time I put in the CD, there's a list of programs that aren't even installed yet and it asks me which of the programs do I want to run the song on. Please help!

Use QuickTime. The video's a QuickTime movie file. — User:ACupOfCoffee@ 01:00, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Question

Whenever I try to upload an image, it always says "The file is corrupt or has an incorrect extension. Please check the file and upload again." I do everything I have to do, so why isn't it working??????

My guess is that the file you are trying to uplaod is corrupt or has an incorrect extension. Is the file you are trying to upload corrupt or have an incorrect extension? -- Tom 00:07, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
Well yeah, it is, but I don't know what that means or how to fix it.

[edit] Fun facts

I want to add a new "fun fact" or "remark" etc. however, the edit system will not let me do this, just correct a sentence. how do i write something new?

You sure you don't have a virus? It's the same as what you just did here. — User:ACupOfCoffee@ 01:03, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Witches Brew...?

Just a random question about witches brew. I didn't think it would fit in the article any where so I posted it here. Anyway...

Aside from the fact you can occasionally see Homestar in a witch's costume in the First Time Here? are there any witches at all at

By the way, how do I sign my name to this? Like this? -Jeff W.

In response to your former question, no. There are no witches in Homestar Runner (body of work). In response to your latter question, I recommend going to Help:Signature or my premade user signature. The autosig may be a better choice until you want to take the time to create a signature, discussed in Help:Signature. The autosig is accessed by typing {{User:Lapper/autosig|Nickname}}. Have fun! — Lapper (talk) 00:12, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

Jeff, to sign your name, just type four tildes, like this: ~~~~. That will automatically put your name and a timestamp, like this: It's dot com 00:21, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

Thank you for the info. You're a real state trooper.


User:houdin654jeff/sig 00:27, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Wiki terms I don't understand

What the pants does TTATOT mean? (Or did I spell that wrong?) Amy Whifflepoof

This That and the other thing. It means that a fact refers to way to many things. To many to be a good fact. Rogue Leader / (my talk) 02:49, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
Maybe we need "HRWiki:Glossary". — It's dot com
On that note, Elcool actually had that idea on the IRC. Rogue Leader / (my talk) 02:57, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Skin

Uh oh, I just changed my skin to the extremely basic one, but when I try to go back to change it, the search box is blocking the link. Any help? Maybe somebody can fix it for me?

Special:Preferences. -- Tom 23:45, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Ive got this cursor....

I have a cursor that I would like to use on my user page. The only problem is that i have no idea how to put it on my page. It can be found here. Someone please help! DBK! 02:47, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

If you want your cursor to be that cursor, you can only change that through your control panel. Unfortunatly, while online, you can not change default cursors to anything other than the cursor types specified by the W3C, meaning you're limited to normal cursors. — Lapper (talk) 03:37, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
I've seen some sites that change my cursor to something custom upon visiting, though, although those may be from manipulating some HTML/CSS thing that I don't understand... --DorianGray
Lapper's right DBK. There's really no way to change the cursor on a page except to change it to one of the default windows cursors. There may be a way to change the cursor to a custom image using JavaScript, but I'm pretty sure MediaWiki won't let you execute JavaScript on Wiki pages. — wikisig.gif Joey (talk·edits) 04:06, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
Ok, thats what I needed to know. I have this set as my default cursor anyway, but thanks for your help. DBK! 11:49, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Top navbar

How do you add a link to the top of the page navbar? I know it has to do with my "monobook.css" file. - KookykmanImage:kookysig.gif(t)(c)(r)

Close. Your monobook.js file is what you want. May I recommend Help:Quickbar? — Lapper (talk) 14:59, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] User creation log

How come the bar on the log doesn't link to the user creation log? - KookykmanImage:kookysig.gif(t)(c)(r)

We actually did have a User Creatinon Log for a bit a month or so ago. Unfortuately, it soon became flooded with hundreds of WOW usernames. Tom disabled it and we haven't used it since. — Lapper (talk) 21:58, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
Is WOW working on HRwiki? He officialy renounced vandalism at Wikipedia some time ago. I suppose he might still be vandalizing other wikis though. BrokenSegue 04:02, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
There were a few WOW attacks in the past, yes. Homestramy20|Talk 04:05, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
The "official" renonucement isn't an end all statement that he's stopped, obviously. He still hits Wikipedia and its sister projects, as well as a few outside wikis, including ours. — Lapper (talk) 03:22, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
Plus, we have no real way to know whether it's the same guy or a copycat. — It's dot com 03:32, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
But, the user creation log still exists, its just not linked to. Here it is. - KookykmanImage:kookysig.gif(t)(c)(r)
Although that log still exists, it's not an active log, as other users have registered since then but are not on the list. — It's dot com 13:45, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
Would there be a way to make it "for sysop's eyes only", instead of just turning it off? It would be useful for welcoming, once this wiki comes out of lockdown. Thunderbird 14:05, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
Well, I'd rather have it "for everyone who'd like to welcome people's eyes only", but that's just me. - KookykmanImage:kookysig.gif(t)(c)(r)

[edit] Archive

This page was 89kb long, 57 larger than it should be. I've archived all answered questions. - KookykmanImage:kookysig.gif(t)(c)(r)

[edit] Copyright

What copyright/license is hrwiki under [the bottom of the page says by-nc-sa, is that correct]? It includes so much copyirghted content (pictures, transcripts, etc) I can't imagine this site can legaly use so much copyrighted material (fair use goes only so far). Have the Brothers Chaps commented on this site (have they given you permission?). BrokenSegue 19:57, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

TBC have commented on the site. See here. Elcool (talk)(contribs) 20:01, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
I was going to mention that, as an example at least of their opinion of the site, thought it doesn't have any bearing on copyright questions. See HRWiki:General disclaimer for our take on that. For an example of how we draw the line on what's not fair use, see Talk:More Fan Costumes#Pictures. At first we were including screenshots of each slide, until the 9th comment brought up the fact that it was copyright violation, at which point we removed them. —AbdiViklas 20:20, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
Copyright policies seem too lax here. Where My Hat Is At? is a copy of an entire book screen by screen! The Chaps would have an easy time destroying this site in court (if they wanted to). Perhaps you could coax the chaps to release all of their content uner a non-commercial license. That way they can still make money of it and you are free to archive it. Just some thoughts. BrokenSegue 20:24, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
Yeah, we've discussed pages like Where My Hat Is At? before... But it seems to have fallen by the wayside. This is a good alert to bring it back to the public eye. --DorianGray
Yes, that discussion had kind of tapered off, which is why I'm glad you brought it up, BrokenSegue, because I've taken this opportunity to remove all the images on pages that completely reproduce H*R content in its original form (things no longer accessible, like the weekly sketchbook, do not fall in this category); namely, I fixed, Original Book, Where My Hat Is At?, Fan Costume Commentary, and More Fan Costumes. — It's dot com 05:52, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
What about Sketchbook (museum)? Elcool (talk)(contribs) 05:58, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
You're right; there are actually two sections in the museum that need attention: the one you mention and Fan Stuff. I'm going to let the dust settle from my most recent actions before I tackle those. In the meantime, feel free to take it on yourself, should you so desire. — It's dot com 06:02, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
And I'll also bring up the Strumstar Hammer page again, which not only needs to be not-fair-use-images-purged (there needs to be a better term), but just re-added to the kids' book page, as it is an Easter egg from there. --DorianGray

What about text? The transcripts of the epsidoees surely are copyrighted. How can you claim fairuse when you are repdocuing the whole thing (with sometimes minimal commentary). Yes, you have too many pictures but the text seems to be just as bad . No? BrokenSegue 21:54, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

The Brothers Chaps have not taken the liberty yet of copyrighting every episodes' text. However, most characters' names are copyrighted. We are able to stay in good standing and out of a lawsuit by making this a non-profit site (hence the .org). As well as that all money made, such as through donations, goes straight back into the site. — Lapper (talk) 22:04, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
So, the text is free to use (because they aren't copyrighted)? I find that hard to believe. If so then Great, I'll use those texts everywhere! Aren't the transcripts automagically protected by law because they reserve the rights over the cartoon as a whole? Also, the fact that you are a non-profit doesn't shield you from copyright infringement lawsuits (it might make you look a little better when claiming fairuse though) BrokenSegue 02:39, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
Yes, you can use the texts anywhere... as long as you give credit to TBC and don't post them on a money-making website. - Joshua 02:47, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
(Double edit conflict) No, no. A copyright isn't something you file like a patent; it exists from the moment you create a piece of intellectual property, regardless of whether you put © on it. You possess the copyright to the note you pass to your friend in class. (Now you can cede that right to another party, like a publisher, or choose to invoke a different set of rights like Creative Commons. And I'm no Litigation Jackson, but I'm fairly sure that our being non-profit (are we really? We're no 501-c3 or whatever) doesn't give us some kind of immunity to the law. It might strengthen a case for fair use, since one of the requirements is that the use be non-commercial. But getting back to BrokenSegue's comment, I'm secure in my conscience that we're fair use. The Fair Use clause(s) basically boil down to three considerations:
  1. The amount of the work reproduced,
  2. The nature and purpose of the reproduction, and
  3. Whether the reproduction would prevent people from purchasing (or in this case viewing) the original
We're pretty clearly safe on #3 with the pictures removed now; for #2 our purpose is informative and documentary rather than commercial (if our bookkeeping practices support this that's good!). Your concern was with #1, since we reproduce the whole script of each 'toon. However, I think the argument that we're losing both the visual and audio portion of the 'toon justifies us. These laws are made intentionally vague, and don't spell out exactly what percentages are okay. I don't know (and maybe somebody could email an expert?) how much water this argument would hold legally, but it convinces me adequately. —AbdiViklas 02:50, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
AbdiViklas, I'd say your analysis is quite to the point and accurate. I'm not sure to whom it was adressed, but I know that copyrights aren't filed. The Brothers Chap don't have to officaily say anywhere that they have rights (but they do anyways at the bottom of the page to be clear). I think somthing that would answer our question is, is it legal to post scripts of movies (think Holloywood) online. I don't know the answer to that question. If it isn't, (and IANAL) then I'd say you have to remove the scripts from hrwiki (no matter how nice and useful they are). Of course what the stuidos say and what the script archives say may differ widely. I happen to think Joshua is completely wrong (if it's free to use as long as you cite the source, then it needs to say that somewhere [like cc-by-sa or copyrighted free use provided that source is cited, etc], I can't find anywhere where it says that) but what do I know (you're the resident HR experts, not I). Oh wait, was Joshua saying that I can use HRwiki text under those terms? Yes, I know that. I was asking about the transcripts. BrokenSegue 03:22, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
Edit Conflict I agree with Abdi. And we're not the only site to provide entire transcripts (or even entire movie scripts) of shows. I think we're safe enough within the realm of "fair use". Another thing to take into consideration is that the transcripts are done in good faith and, at least unofficially, seem to be ok with TBC. I beleive it would likely be up to TBC themselves to enforce their copyright rights, which they have done before when fans have made fanstuff using their original flash sprites, but their lack of action to this point, and even acknowledgment of this wiki's work, is strong evidence that TBC likely has no desire to seek any such legal action (that is if we actually are violating copyright law). --Stux 03:31, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
"Good faith" won't help very much in a law suit. Has any considered asking them to license their transcripts into, say, cc by-nc-sa? Even if you know they won't sue you it's till best not to be violating their copyright. You never know, one day somthing here could irk them and they might try to shut hrwiki down (or have you remove tons of content). Sounds like this isn't much of an issue (I'm still not sure those movie transcript websites are legal though). BrokenSegue 03:38, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
Another point: This is quite a gray area we're delving into. If you think about it, the transcripts do not originate from some book that was copied or typed up that has all the words that the characters use. They were transcribed by people listening to the words and written down, much in the same way many of the song lyrics sites copy down song lyrics (transcribed by third parties usually) and make it available to the public. For some reason the music industry has not deemed those sites copyright violations (or have not cared to prosecute) as they have direct copies of music. --Stux 03:45, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
By the way, Stux, you know that you don't have to point out every time you have an edit conflict, right? ;) It's only when a discussion doesn't make sense without noting the conflict that you need to say anything. Edit conflicts come and go, but they don't read very well in a thread. Anyways, on to business: If TBC ever did want to shut us down, we wouldn't have a Tape-Leg to stand on. We exist solely at their pleasure. Stux is right, though: TBC are aware of our existence, and, for whatever reason, they have elected to let us do our thing (and have even given us high fives on several occasions). I think that as long as we respect certain boundaries (such as not duplicating a whole page of images you could see just as easily on their site), then they will continue letting us unofficially transcribe the toons and use a screenshot here and there. They've even used the wiki when they were stumped. As long as we're mutually beneficial, I think we're cool. Rock, rock on. — It's dot com 03:46, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
{double edit conflict} In case there's any uncertainty as to what H*R's current copyright policies are, see here, under "Terms of Use", 2nd 'graph. Also, BrokenSegue, TV show fansites with transcripts might be a somewhat more comparable analogy than movies. Movie scripts are often published in hard copy, which would complicate things. Even with the TV shows it's weird, though, because the script might be copyrighted to a different entity than the show as a whole. I say again it might be worth an e-mail to a lawyer for an opinion. If we had some way of finding lawyers who are H*R fans they might answer for the good of the cause.
Also, Segue, a simpler solution than convincing TBC to change their licensing universally (which could have unforeseen consequences; we can't control how other sites might use them) might be simply to get their formal permission. Note the line in the policy I linked to: "Without the prior written consent of the owner...." —AbdiViklas 03:47, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
Double or triple edit conflict You're right: BrokenSegue you never know. Should TBC decide that the transcripts to do belong there (if indeed they don't), then at that point they can be taken down. I see no need to do that beforehand. --Stux 03:50, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
By the way, Stux, you know that you don't have to point out every time you have an edit conflict, right? ;) Uhhhhhhh... right! right! sure. But I like those little bold edit conflict notices. Generally to avoid double edit conflicts I avoid reading the new post and hurry to post mine, thus tacking on the generic Quadruple edit conflict in order to increase my chances of a sound, succinct and sucessful submission. (What does succinct mean again?) --Stux 03:55, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
The problem of waiting until they they yell at us is that if you think that you might be commiting a copyright violation (copyvio) and you leave and say exactly what you just said (let's wait until they sue us to remove it) then you are liable for damages because you flagrantly violated the law. AS opposed to ignorantly violated the law in which case you only have to remove the offending text (that' my interpretation from my experience from Wikipedia). This is all very hypothetical of course, but I could imagine people re-using content from hrwiki in a way that TPC might not like. So, who's going to email them and ask for some sort of official nod? Also, it wouldn't work to have them say "No one can reuse it except HRwiki" because all content here has to be redisrtibutable under creative commons (which it wouldn't be because others couldn't use the HR content licensed only to HRwiki). BrokenSegue 04:00, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
The only persons who need to speak with them are JoeyDay and Tom. You should take it up with them. — It's dot com 04:02, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
BrokenSegue: Yes, what we are doing is likely illegal. But, you are not a lawyer. More importantly, you are not The Brothers Chaps' lawyer.
Joey Day and I have both personally communicated with TBC and they have given us nothing but praise (and recently, even financial support). The second I am contacted by TBC with a request to change the Wiki in any way in regard to copyright, even if it is to take the entire thing down, I will fully comply in the fastest way possible.
It's important to note however that we do our best to respect certain boundaries. We also do what we do pretty darn well, which only adds to TBC's popularity.
Thank you for your concern, and please try to enjoy yourself here. -- Tom 04:05, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
Thank you for your response. Your answer has cleared my worries. Sorry for the trouble. BrokenSegue 04:07, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
Good lord, if this dead horse is beaten much further it'll be glue! But at the risk of doing just that, now that BrokenSegue's appeased, I have to say I do agree that we shouldn't simply be doing something illegal just because there's very little likelihood of being called on it. I'm far from convinced that we are illegal, but your arguments stand: it would be important to know. Also I repeat my suggestion for permission; note that the CCL stuff applies only to "Material ... not copyrighted by The Brothers Chaps (e.g. opinions and mindless chatter)." —AbdiViklas 04:13, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
That was a sad scene in Animal Farm. I definitely understand your concern, but I also think the old adage might be appropriate: if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Who knows what pandora's box we might open? (ooo! three references/cliches! Has anyone see the Star Trek ep where the Enterprise encounters this race that talks only in metaphor?) --Stux 04:21, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
How the heck do you communicate in that language? The simplest concepts become horribly complex! If you're on a road trip, and you want the driver to pull over 'cause you need a pit stop, how do you ask to go to the bathroom? "Homestar doing jumping jacks after the Melonade"?! — It's dot com 04:31, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
LOL. Well, i figure that if you're grow up saying "Homestar doing jumping jacks after the Melonade" all your life, it would be pretty easy to conjure up the right allusion for the right moment. But then, I ask the question: many of these metaphors came from stories or real-life events. But for them to use the metaphors, those events had to be told. And for those events to be told, there had to be some language... which at some point you'd think wasn't metaphoric. --Stux 04:46, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

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How do I read messages? The orange bar keeps saying that I have new messages when I already read it (I think).

First, simply click the link in the orange bar; this takes you to User talk:Aerosmth rules. Now once you've done that, it's supposed to go away, but it hasn't been doing that for some people because of a glitch. What you need to do is, once you're on your talk page, click the little tab at the top that says "unwatch". That should fix it. —AbdiViklas 02:34, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
Follow-up: This problem is described in more detail on HRWiki:Upgrade to MediaWiki 1.5, and has now been fixed. — It's dot com 02:02, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
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