Talk:Character Evolutions

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Contents 1 Needed? 2 Move? 3 new name 4 Most changes? 5 Scope of these pages? 6 Personality Evoloution 7 Italicised Filmography 8 What warrants a page?

[edit] Needed?

The character evolutions category seems to cover this better... Delete or redirect, though? -YK 22:55, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

DELETE...or at least give another name to it. Evoulutions? I think not. DevonM(talk·cont-ribs) 23:00, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Actually, I seem to remember a similar page being deleted not terribly long ago, but can't find anything about it in the delete logs... -YK 23:10, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm on the fence, but if we keep it, can we at least clean it up? A lot? --Jay (Gobble) 23:13, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

There's something I don't quite like about mainspace redirects that serve to bring you to text on a category page. It's like, if you're going to redirect something from the mainspace to text in the category space, it seems like that text belongs in an actual article, not in the category space. Maybe we should have a brief article on the general concept of character evolution with links to the various articles. (And as Jay suggests, it would need a great deal of cleanup.) Heimstern Läufer 23:21, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

I just think this should be written better. It also should be linked to character evolution. Slipknot6477 02:22, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Hm. I like Heimstern Laufer's idea. We *do* have all the character evolution pages, but nothing really linking them all together except a category. This page is a mess at present, but it can be cleaned and would serve as a nice "hub", if you will. -YK 03:07, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

If you are looking for a precedent to the hub idea, there's Other Costumes. It links all the pages on Category:Other Costumes. If we do this, I suggest to also move this page to Character Evolutions. — Elcool ^(talk)_(contribs) 07:47, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm in favour of that, we do seem to have a fair few hub pages and they're more 'discoverable' than categories. -- Mithent 14:04, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

I've given the page a bit of an overhaul. Is this what y'all had in mind? wbwolf (t | ed) 14:37, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

That's the sort of thing I was thinking of, yep! I still favour a move to Character Evolutions. -- Mithent 15:06, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

A similar concept is Character Relationships. One page to rule them all. I mean, link them all. So, some cleanup and a rename to Character Evolutions seems like a good plan. OptimisticFool 02:46, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Deleting the page or moving isn't needed. It's a fine page. Remove the template, please. (I said please!) DrPepper42 01:12, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

This is my first topic. I have no clue if I'm doing this right. Anyway, this is my favorite artical! It's name stays.It remains where it is. Besides, what would you attach it to? There's already a link in each character profile. -- ryuzakiforever 10:21, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Let's quit with the demands, please; no one is in a position to make such demands here. Heimstern Läufer 15:36, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Move?

Ok, since most users seem to support the existence of this article, I took down the tbd template. I'm my previous comment I suggested to move this page to Character Evolutions. The only reasoning I can give is that it just look and sound better, the the current one. Mithent also said he is in favor to move it. Anyone objects or want to comment? — Elcool ^(talk)_(contribs) 18:12, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

I think the current title ("Evolution of Characters") is better than the original title ("Evolutions"). Something about the plural "Evolutions" in the title just doesn't sound quite right to me, but other than that, "Character Evolutions" is pretty equivalent to the current title. So, I wouldn't be upset by a move, but I think the current title is slightly better. Trey56 18:18, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Just a reminder that I also (above) stated that "a rename to Character Evolutions seems like a good plan". OptimisticFool 20:30, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Oh, sorry I missed that. — Elcool ^(talk)_(contribs) 20:52, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

I agree; Character Evolutions is a much better name. It's more flowing. – The Chort 19:16, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Agreed; should we do this move? Incidentally, there is a page Character Evolution already, which redirects to Category:Character Evolution; it seems that we previously voted not to have a page, and redirect to the category instead. -- Mithent 13:29, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Last time doesn't look like it was a clear vote, actually. Anyway, what was the content of the deleted page? -DAGRON 14:56, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

The original page was an attempt to document the evolutions of all the characters. That's far too cumbersome for a single page now. However, the way the page is currently set up, basically as a disambiguation page, is much more useful. Moving this page to replace the redirect would be a logical move. One other point is I think that most of the major characters already have an evolution page (as well as number of minor ones), so the issue that drove the original discussion of keeping things up to date, is not a major problem now. wbwolf (t | ed) 15:26, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

The content of the deleted page was almost exactly what this page is. Check the history on the original. -FaceCrap 15:20, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

[edit] new name

try character evolution (definition)

or character evolution (usage)

a little out there, but still better

Homsarstrongbad150 19:56, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Most changes?

Who do you think has had the most amount of changes? And which ones are the most noticable?

--24.13.162.218 17:51, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

I doubt the result of this discussion would affect this page at all. Perhaps this would be better suited to the forum? — Defender1031*Talk 17:52, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Scope of these pages?

I know that physical appearance is the most objective and easiest to portray way that the characters have changed over the years, but couldn't these pages also make mention of, say, how their voices have changed? (Strong Bad losing his accent, Bubs and Strong Mad becoming higher-pitched, Strong Sad and Homestar becoming lower pitched) Or, perhaps more importantly, couldn't it mention how their personalities have changed? Strong Bad went from an immoral, one-dimensional villain who always cheats at things to an amoral, sarcastic supposed ladies' man, Homestar went from a generic hero to a lovable idiot, Coach Z went from a quasi-parental figure to a creepy old man, etc. To me these seem much more interesting and important to the site as a whole than changes in appearance. Nasty Ol' Puppet 18:07, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Nice Idea. But I don't see it as part of the tabled pages linked from this article. Personalities and voices are much harder to break down and find the moment they changed. I believe it was more of a gradual process. True, it may fit the word "evolution" better (being something that slowly evolve, then finite steps like appearance), but I believe this elaboration can be better done on each character's page. If you can write up a paragraph about how a character changed through time, I think it will look best in that character's biography. — Elcool ^(talk)_(contribs) 19:36, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Personality Evoloution

Hey. Let's cut straight to the drift. I belive that there should be a "Personality Evoloution" section. Now you may be thinking "It only applies to Strong Bad!" but there you're wrong. Every character has gone through a major personality change. I'll give two examples.

• Homestar: Homestar started out a person who was blinded by niceness, this maybe making him do the wrong action. Now, he's still a nice guy, but he's genuinelly stupid. He offends more than ever but occaisionally does it on purpose.

• Coach Z: Coach Z started out as the "Wise Guy" - giving advice and cheering people up. However, he soon became a depressed person. This "Being depressed" has remained into his current character, but it's mostly regressed into creepyness, such as the "Bride" comment in TrogDay '08.

Now, how we set it out. My idea is something to the wikipedia page about toddlers. We mention the toon the character first displays these traits and when they first became major. Also, if you guys want, I'll give more examples. So, who's with me?

-SI.com!

That's not a bad idea. The characters' changes in personality could be told from a section on their character page. That'sBupkis! 12:59, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, that's an option. 80.0.62.77

[edit] Italicised Filmography

Should we mention on this page that the toons in italics on each page are toons featuring that design when a more updated design was in use, as I can't see it mentioned anywhere? Also, should a separate page be made for those? YoghNess 20:21, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

[edit] What warrants a page?

There doesn't appear to be a standard cutoff point at which an evolution table becomes a full page. It's pretty clear that evolutions with two designs belong on that character's page, and 4+ designs get their own evolution page, but three seems to be a gray area. Stinkoman, Mr. Bland, Señor, The Robot (storybook), and The Announcer have three designs (or four in the latter's case), but don't have evolution pages. Homsar, The Homestar Runner, Old-Timey Strong Bad have three designs (or, arguably only two in the former two's case), but do have evolution pages. I feel like there should be a consistent guideline for this. Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 04:27, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

I'm fine leaving the evolutions for the storybook characters on their respective pages, since those articles don't have much else going for them. Their evolutions show the main thing that's interesting about these characters, which is how long they've been around. Stinkoman's page, on the other hand, has quite a lot of information... So I guess my official proposal is to move Stinkoman Evolution to its own page. (Maybe The Announcer as well, since he has an extra design that most of the other storybook-era characters don't have...? I don't feel strongly about this one.) Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 00:42, 16 November 2024 (UTC)