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[edit] Nosebleed (Refactored)

The runny nose/anime nosebleed reference has been voted down by the community. - Dr Haggis - Talk 22:46, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Likewise, given how busy the Brothers Chaps are these days, I doubt very much that they watch Naruto. Actually, "tenten" is a generic Japanese expression for dots, such as the two-dot mark that denotes a modified form of some of the phonetic characters (katakana and hiragana) in Japanese, turning "ha" into "ba", "chi" into "ji", etc. Evidently it is also popular as a nickname... Maybe it's just me, but the music in the ending credits is awfully reminiscent of the first-season opening theme for Ranma 1/2. --codeman38 21:06, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)

One of the programmers is listed as "maru maru". I think that could be a reference to the maru mari, an item in the Metroid series (from Metroid II onwards, translated to english as "Morph Ball").

[edit] Closed STUFF

[edit] Get That Character A Kleenex! (Declined)

1-Up getting a green nosebleed is a nod to the anime cliche that excited or aroused people get nosebleeds or "hanaji". The nosebleed's odd color may be a reference to the original Mortal Kombat port for the Super Nintendo, where the blood was recolored gray and passed off as "sweat".

  • "MAYBE'D!"I like the 1st part, but it kinda looked more like a runny nose for lack of a better way of saying it. I don't care for the 2nd part though it's a pretty funny fact!--MrsCommanderson 22:23, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Decline. This is starting to turn into a TTATOT. I'm not well-versed in the nuances of amine symbolism. I just thought 1-Up had a runny nose. -- tomstiff 03:22, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Agree I've read several article on this phenomenon. It is also standard fare for western anime parodies to include an arousal nosebleed. - Dr Haggis - Talk 03:55, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Accept 1st, Decline 2nd I thought it was obvious, but not everyone knows about anime cliches. Dasrik 05:41, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • From what I've heard, the blood was recolored green. They did the same thing for Resident Evil 2 when it was ported to the N64. In this case, its meant to be a generic snot bubble because 1-up isn't sexually excited. Decline the second
  • No and no. It's snot. Rudeboy87 16:03, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Accept (though possibly revise?) Manga fans know that this is a pretty common occurence in anime. The Snot Bubble is also a common cliche, though it's generally used for sleeping characters. Perhaps TBC got the two mixed up?--rsl12 17:33, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Decline. It's snot, like Rudeboy87 said. --ISlayedTheKerrek 19:42, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
    • Second. In a cartoon context, green stuff from the nose is pretty widely understood to be snot. --Beatfox 21:07, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
    • Second. Kvb 15:30, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Decline. It's snot, and references an entirely different anime cliche with immature children having runny noses. There is no reason for 1-Up to be aroused, and if it was supposed to be blood, indicating a nosebleed, it would have been colored so.Rebochan 04:11, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Decline. Even though I'm the one who added the 2nd part, I agree that this is unintentional. --Trogga 13:49, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Nuetral So what your saying is 1-Up got aroused by pudding?The_Pardack
  • Decline Note the commentary for japanese cartoon. Matt, when discussing displays of emotion and the like in anime, mentions the mushrooms AND 'the snot bubble', the only one of which on the site is 1-Up's, showing that it is indeed a snot bubble. Suicune64 19:37, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • WITHDRAWN Wow, you guys are very literal. I guess there is no convincing some. I was the one who posted this on the article so I cheerfully withdraw it. Do what ever you STUFF people do to document and archive this. - Dr Haggis - Talk 22:44, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)
    • What, why? I like it, but I think it needs to be Rewritten. I think it's a runny nose, but yes, it is reffering to anim√©, and it should be noted.TakuaKaita600 17:24, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Accept. I don't understand the people who claim it's not a reference to an anime nosebleed because it's green. You might as well say Cheat Commandos aren't a reference to GI Joe because the Joes aren't Cheats. References do not have to be exactly the same as the thing they reference. Aurora the Homestar Coder 22:10, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
    • But Aurora, if we did accept this, we may have to let all the other "could be" fun facts in. I'm sorry, but that's the way it is. ISlayedTheKerrek
  • No, actually, it's not the way it is, and no, actually you wouldn't have to let the other "could be fun facts" in. You can always vote "Decline" on other "could be" fun facts. Accept. → FireBird
  • Thanks for the defense FireBird. To me, this is not a "could be" fun fact, it IS a reference. Actually I think it's a combination reference to the snot bubble / nosebleed thing in anime; it seems a lot of people in anime / manga have fluids coming out the nose! But yes, just like "dot dot dot" and the "mushroom clouds" it's a direct reference to an anime/manga cliche. Aurora the Homestar Coder 07:31, 20 May 2005 (UTC)
  • It'Snot Blood I think it is a runny nose. I know about the nosebleed thing, but i dont think it is what we are looking at. --user: Lappy 486 30 Apr 9:32
  • Yes to the first one, No to the second - I think it is definitly a reference to hanaji. After all, why else would he suddenly have a runny nose (homestar didn't ever have one before so I think. As to the MK reference, I don't think so.__Tony Stony 23:13, 14 May 2005 (UTC)
    • Could it possibly be because Homestar has no nose? There is no instance of him ever smelling anything, and it's obviously not visible. However, it is particlularly clear that 1-up has a nose, especially from this cartoon. EdgeKing 21:44, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)EdgeKing
  • Decline You can make anything a reference to anything else if you try hard enough. I just wouldn't say this "reference" is an acutal reference. --AnarchyBalsac
  • Common Taters - Now, just hold up a dang second now. That stuff is snot, my friend. Not blood. True, in anime, nosebleeds are used to show arousal, but that stuff ain't blood and 1-up doesn't look aroused to me. Soooo, Rewrite it. Snot bubbles take place in anime too. --SaikoRoxi 11:36 AM, 21 May 2005
  • Ahem, noTBC would definatly NOT have one of their characters getting sexually aroused, this is a family site and therefore not "Humpty Hump" for lack of a better phrase.--Because, It's Midnite
  • Decline.It's dot com 16:58, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Stickly Man / Poopsmith reference?

Just out of curiosity, is there any basis for Stickly Man being a reference to the Poopsmith? Here's why I think there's a correlation:

  • Stickly Man shovels pudding, and the Poopsmith shovels "whatsit" - very similar jobs.
  • Neither character ever says anything.
  • The Poopsmith apparently has minor fighting skills - when he was dressed up as M. Bison in 3 Times Halloween Funjob, he did M. Bison's trademark move when you clicked on him. Stickly Man obviously also fights.

I know Stickly Man is a more direct reference to "Under Construction" pages across the Web. Just thought I'd point out the similarities. KieferSkunk 19:59, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

Yes... this has already been discussed. - Joshua 20:01, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
Ah, whoops. I didn't see that. Thanks. :) - KieferSkunk 20:02, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Real World?

All the items mentioned in the "Real World References" section are cartoons and games. Perhaps the title of the section should be changed to "External References". - Uglinessman 09:27, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

That'd require changing it on nearly every page... - Joshua 13:30, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
Joshua's correct, that would be an incredibly large project, and without a more detailed proposal, I'm afraid it can't really be considered. — Lapper (talk) 13:32, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
Although the cartoons and games are not "Real World", they are published in the real world, as in the world outside of the Homestar Runner universe. Elcool (talk)(contribs) 13:38, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WHAAAAAT is this fact?

Stinkoman saying "WHAAAAAAAT are you doing?" references the Streamline dub of Akira, where the character Yamagata asks Tetsuo in a similar manner: "WHAAAAAAAT the h*** are you talking about" (the long "what" was due to the character's mouth being open for an extended period of time.)

This seems really unneccesary and vague. I don't think it's a reference at all. However, if we're not going to get rid of it, can it at least be reworded to sound less...juvenile? Or is leaving "hell" uncensored really that big of a deal? (Although either way it seems kind of silly and unprofessional to put little stars there like that.) But uh, yeah. I do believe this should be a-digga-digga deleted. Evan

I uncensored it. "hell" isn't any worse than "crap," which Strong Bad says way too often. If we censor out "hell," are we now going to censor every instance of "crap" on the wiki? I don't think so. ~ Bruce 22:59, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Hell. Elcool (talk)(contribs) 23:04, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] End Music

The end music needs to be indentified. Retromaniac 03:56, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Maybe it's unique. --DorianGray 03:58, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Plural Form of Ninja Is ...

Ninja or ninjas. Either one. My preference? Ninjas. OptimisticFool 16:41, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] First Full-Length Fight Scene?

Just wondering, is this notable? The fight between 1936 and 20X6 wasn't this long (about a couple of seconds because the only "fighting" they did was when stinkoman jumped up), and this was more of a fight than anything *ahem* "miss taken." (IE: The Battle of Strongbadia, which wasn't a fight.) Should also be noted that this animation was done in anime style like it should be; drawn out battles ARE a theme of anime. -- 11:00, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Stickly Man's Seeming Coach Z...

His movements, crouch and falling over seem a lot like Coach Z, did anyone catch this? =/ 02:48, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Well, his movements are limited, because he's made of thin lines. 2nd, I've don't ever remember seeing Coach Z crouch. And 3rd, Coach Z fell over like that once (I think), and he was drunk. Stickly Man had just been beaten up by Stinkoman (kind of), and it makes it cooler than just Stickly Man fallin' to the ground. DevonM(talk·cont-ribs) 07:26, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The .gif file

Let's all take a break with pudding!!

I managed to find the .gif file used in this 'toon! It's right there... Should this be on the page? MichaelXX2 mail_icon.gif link_icon.gif

Ummm, they didn't use a gif file. It's a flash animation! Loafing 21:11, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
What I meant by that was, it is mentioned in the commentary for the email that it is a popular .gif file. Not like they used it in their animation or not. MichaelXX2 mail_icon.gif link_icon.gif

[edit] Zanbato??

"Sticklyman's shovel suggests a shortened Zanbato, a giant sword wielded by Sanosuke in the series Rurouni Kenshin." Anybody besides me think this is a stretch?

You're not alone. Personally — and this may be just me — I think Sticklyman's shovel suggests... a shovel. --DorianGray 05:34, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
Not to mention that a supposed reference to a weapon does not automatically reference only one person who uses said weapon. Are we also expected to say that the archers' bows in the Trogdor game are a clear reference to Legolas from Lord of the Rings? Yeah, I think this is way too much of a stretch to be included. (Besides, there's no way anyone besides Superman could wield a zanbatou the way Sticklyman throws around his shovel.) Lucentas 06:39, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

[edit] "Back" button

Should it be mentioned that the "back" button at the end of the short always goes to Main Page 17, the 20X6 one? -- 21:31, 21 March 2009 (UTC)'s already mentioned. BBG 21:46, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

[edit] T Mouth or "t" mouth?

The teeth marks are in the shape of a lowercase "t", so shouldn't the commentary refer to his mouth as a "t" mouth rather than a T mouth? -- ■■   PURPLE  WRENCH   ■■ 00:43, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

[edit] Miyahon / Miyamoto

This is one of the current fun facts:

Also included in the credits are the names of two other famous Nintendo employees: S. Miyahon (mistranslation of Shigeru Miyamoto) and Ten Ten (Takashi Tezuka), both of whom worked on the original Legend of Zelda game.

I added the words "or pseudonym" after "mistranslation", and it was taken back out, saying "Notice that said last name starts the same way as 'Miyamoto', and notice as well that he's never called 'Miyahon' again." Well, neither of those mean anything. It's common in Japanese to make pseudonyms by reading the kanji with an alternative reading, or by using different kanji for the same name. And he was in fact referred to as Miyahon again, in Super Mario Land for example. Even if he never used it again, though, there's no rule that you have to use a pseudonym more than once, is there?

In any case, I've read somewhere that it was in fact an intentional pseudonym, and he wasn't the only one to use a pseudonym on LoZ (even the article itself notes Ten Ten for Tezuka). Unfortunately, I've lost track of where I read it; I'm trying to find it, but not with much success. "Mistranslation" isn't applicable in any case because the name appears in the Japanese version of the game too (which I've just verified by searching the ROM for the text "MIYAHON"). It would be a "misreading" if anything.

In any case, I think it's sufficiently plausible that it was a pseudonym that it shouldn't just say "mistranslation". - furrykef (Talk at me) 06:15, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

PROVE'D!! There was a prototype ROM or disk image of Zelda that has almost everybody credited by their real names, so it's almost certainly not a mistake. Four people had their names changed to pseudonyms in the game's actual release, including of course S. Miyamoto to S. Miyahon. This is not counting Tezuka, who went by Ten Ten in both versions of the credits, so actually five people are known to be using pseudonyms. - furrykef (Talk at me) 16:00, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
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