User:JoeyDay/talk archive 81-100

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Contents 1 Congrats 1.1 How Should It Be Called? 2 Fanstuff Wiki IRC Channel 3 What Just Happened? 4 Ledger Question 5 Chat Channel Woes 6 More Chat Channel Woes 7 CC by-nc-sa 8 Copyright 9 Extension for the Fanstuff 10 Old Sig 11 email 12 CSS code 13 TriviaTime 14 could you help? 15 Help 16 thank you 'ward 17 Alright Dude 18 Re:Copyrights 19 R-L Quotes 20 HRWiki Tour

[edit] Congrats

Congratulations on that check and letter fom Matt Chapman. Just one question; how much money did they donate again? They are awful generous :) Homestramy20|^Talk 18:03, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

The check said $250, I think. Congrats, Joey. - Joshua 18:08, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

I can't take the credit for this. The honor goes to all of you who have made the Wiki what it is. The worst part about all this is I can't share this with any of you guys. I wish you could all hold this letter in your hands and feel how nervous and shaky I felt when I opened it. Our community deserves this collectively more than I do individually. — Joey (talk·edits) 18:35, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

Joey, I must say this: any group or organization is generally a reflection of its leadership. If our people know how to operate this wiki smoothly and do so professionally, it is because they have had a fine example to follow. Just a thought. --Stux 18:52, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

Hey, can you post all the sketches he sent you? I'm eager to see them... - Joshua 22:02, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

He sent sketches? Awesome. That should be a great sight. H * R 7 0 0

The sketches will all be posted this evening, as soon as I can get them scanned in using my parents' color flatbed scanner. Patience. :) — Joey (talk·edits) 23:22, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

Okay. I'm waiting. So, your pretty lucky your actually getting involved with TBC. I mean, think about it if TBC never knew about this Wiki. It would make it alot less official. H * R 7 0 0 23:26, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

In the meantime, you can feel free to indulge in this one that Joey posted. [1] — Lapper (talk) 23:45, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

I feel this could use all use a Wiki page somewhere. The letter being the focus, along with meantioning the compound eyes thing, and I think there's another instance on the new DVD or something. In any case, it does include 5 never before or anywhere else seen sketch pages, which deserves Wikifying in itself. (Just out of curiosity, are you planning to frame the sketches all nice and happy like? I sure would) ⇔Thunderbird⇔ 08:42, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

Well, I tried adding the letter to Matt Chapman's page, but it got reverted because JoeyDay might not want to make a big deal out of it. I would definitely like a page of times the HRWiki was referenced by TBC and their friends, and this letter deserves to be on a page. - Joshua 12:30, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

A page just for the wiki would be selfish. How about a page referencing all fan acknowledgements from TBC? BHZ, signing on a fan forum... All the stuff. — Elcool ^(talk)_(contribs) 14:57, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, that sounds good. And I don't know what I would do if I got a letter from either of the Chapos. But yes, E.L's got it right. All fan acknowledgements, not just the HRWiki.-- Bkmlb(talk to me·stuff I did) 15:07, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

Did TBC ever really reference other fansites besides this one? And by fansites, I mean actual H*R fansites, not stuff like Tacoman. But whatever. Either page works for me. - Joshua 16:46, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

Uh, would it be a good thing if they did? Wait, did they say anything about the HRFWiki? H * R 7 0 0 17:43, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

No, I don't believe that they have mentioned the Fanstuff wiki. Probably because this wiki is more is more of an encyclopedia than a fan site, and their only mention was that they saw their own error by saying segmented eyes in animal. — Lapper (talk) 20:20, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

In answer to Joshua, yes, they have; see Matt Chapman#Misc.. I think such a page would be nice; I agree that it shouldn't be "made a big deal," but I don't see why it has to be a secret. And it would be egalitarian to extend it to other fansites. —AbdiViklas 22:43, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] How Should It Be Called?

Well, I like the idea of this page. What would it be called? "H*R Fansite Acknowledgements by TBC"? - Joshua

Man! I always wanted to say this: Too long clanky too long! (I think). --Stux 01:02, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

Actually, we have lots of lengthly names, when appropiate. We just need a title the explains the page. I think my suggestion is good enough, but I'd like to hear more. - Joshua 02:37, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

Well, actually, I was thinking that Homestar Runner Fansite Acknowledgements by The Brothers Chaps would be a bit of a record setting page title, compared to Homestar Runner and Strong Bad Screensaver which is the longest link from the impressively detailed list! But alas! I can't come up with anything better (other than The Brothers Chaps Fansite Acknowledgements), and I like record-setting! ;) --Stux 02:56, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

Size comparison:

• Homestar Runner and Strong Bad Screensaver
• H*R Fansite Acknowledgements by TBC (my suggestion)
• H*R Fansite Acknowledgements by The Brothers Chaps (another suggestion by me)
• The Brothers Chaps Fansite Acknowledgements
• Homestar Runner Fansite Acknowledgements by The Brothers Chaps (is too long O_o)

- Joshua 03:11, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

Do I see the start of a new vote? I sure do! The Brothers Chaps Fansite Acknowledgements is short enough not to be too long, but have all the information a title needs. — Elcool ^(talk)_(contribs) 04:43, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

Second'd! I'm liking it, Coolio. I also like your remark about it being "short enough not to be too long"; that sums it up pretty well. But, if we accept it, we need to correct the punctuation to The Brothers Chaps' Fansite Acknowledgements. Heimstern Läufer 04:48, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

I'm getting the feeling that when you say Fansite Acknowledgements you mean every fansite ever. We can't handle that. Now, if I misenterpreted, and you meant HRWiki Acknowledgements, then I recommend The Brothers Chaps HRWiki Acknowledgements. — Lapper (talk) 05:12, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

Yes. Every fansite. Ours will have the biggest section, but we count every fansite. — Elcool ^(talk)_(contribs) 05:01, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

Heimstern is right The Brothers Chaps' Fansite Acknowledgements would be the correct title, the other can still redirect. --Stux 05:20, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

I can't resist pointing out the irony that Stux, in pointing out the correctness of my punctuation, left out a period or semicolon, producing a run-on sentence. :-) Nothing personal, just me being a loyal stickler (a la Lynne Truss). Heimstern Läufer 05:27, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

Great, this page is gonna look good. Don't forget to add: DVD Commentary meantions on SB4, and EE1, as well as The Chapos or Jonathan reccomending Bobby blackwolf send his interview over to us for wikifying. Then there's the obvious letter, burning horizons on Videlectrix, and I think that's pretty much it for now. ⇔Thunderbird⇔ 10:07, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

Actually, I left out two periods or semicolons, as I have actually run together 3 sentences! (I just realized that.) ;) --Stux 17:49, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

Page made. The Brothers Chaps' Fansite Acknowledgements. - Joshua 18:17, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Fanstuff Wiki IRC Channel

Hi, Joey. I'd like you to know that you're not banned from my #fanstuff channel, and in fact you have level 20 access, which you have had for a while (did you know that?)

Anyway, I'd like you to reconsider #hrwiki-fanstuff or work something out with me. PM me on the forums. --Homsar999

Yes, I'm aware that you've unbanned me and given me level 20 access in #fanstuff. I appreciate that, but it doesn't change things.

Freenode describes in it's official policy how projects should name their channels. They specifically outline that once we've registered a name, we have control over any channel that starts with that name and a hyphen, as I've done in the case of #hrwiki-fanstuff. This is the recommended way of doing things, and you see it over and over again on Freenode in places like #drupal and #drupal-support or #wordpress, #wordpress-docs, #wordpress-bugs and #wordpress-meetup or #wikipedia and #wikipedia-tech. I'm confident that the way I've named the official fanstuff channel is the most appropriate way to do things.

Here's the bottom line: I don't have anything against your fanstuff channel, but the only way I would ever consider attaching it officially to the Wiki is if I and the other admins had full control over it. In other words, you would need to give up control over the channel entirely. I don't have anything against you personally, Homsar999; please understand that clearly. I just want to make sure we have full control over anything we deem to be official. — Joey (talk·edits) 22:42, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] What Just Happened?

Why did tis entire wiki get replaced with the contents of the HRFWiki? H * R 7 0 0 20:11, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

I noticed that too. It scared me. — _talk Bubsty _edits 20:13, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

According to Elcool in the IRC channel, Tom made a mistake that happened to coincide with the latest NSMC attack in the Fanstuff wiki, so we had a combination of a database glitch and a trollbot attack blowing the whole wiki to heck for a while. —  KieferSkunk (talk) — 20:32, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

Actually, I said that. But I'll let it slide this time. Username-talk 06:28, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Ledger Question

Is that $19.37 in American or Canadian? Because the original $20.73, after minus $0.30 and 2.9% would translates into around $19.37 Canadian, wouldn't it? In which case, wouldn't the ledger be skewed if some totals were in Canadian, and others in American dollars? My calculations could be wrong, but I just thought I'd ask in case it got mixed up, to nip any miscalculations in the bud. I don't think the Canadian dollar's THAT strong, around 80 cents on the dollar as best I can remember. ⇔Thunderbird⇔ 06:18, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

Heh... You're right. I pulled the wrong figure from my PayPal details. I'm fixing it now. Thanks for the heads-up, Thunderbird. — Joey (talk·edits) 15:48, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Chat Channel Woes

"Connecting... Unable to connect : java.security.AccessControlException : access denied (java.net.SocketPermission irc.freenode.net resolve)"

I tried signing in as ThunderbirdL17 and ThunderbirdL19, neither worked. That's the first time it's happened, is it just some freak, one time glitch, or has my ability to log in to the chat channel been comprimised somehow? ⇔Thunderbird⇔ 00:57, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

Are you using chat.hrwiki.org? I upgraded it this morning to a new version of PJIRC. It was working for everyone who tested it earlier. I hope it's not permanently broken for some people. Try clearing your temp internet files and signing in again. I'm not sure what could've gone wrong. — Joey (talk·edits) 02:04, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

Okay, I researched this a little further, and, yes, it could be due to you having the old version of the applet cached, so follow my previous advice. Some other possibilities:

1. You might be behind a firewall; make sure you're not or that it isn't interfering
2. You might've clicked "no" to the security warning that popped up; click "yes" instead :)
3. I might have to change some security settings on the server; I'm looking into this and will keep you posted

Let me know if it works any better. Thanks. — Joey (talk·edits) 04:29, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

Yea, I clicked "No" to the security popup, that was it. I was also in a couple of other web-windows, and I guess I thought it came from there. I'm always leery to click "Yes" to an unexpected popup window. Then when I tried again, it didn't come back. I let it chill for a while though, and now it gave me another chance. All in all, it works fine now. Thanks! ⇔Thunderbird⇔ 04:48, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] More Chat Channel Woes

I've found one tiny drawback to using ChatZilla in the sidebar: If you use "/quit", it closes all your open tabs, in sidebar or not. - Kookykman(t)(c)(r)

An unfortunate side-effect, to be sure. Doesn't simply closing the sidebar work? — Joey (talk·edits) 02:17, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

Yes, but you can't write a cross-channel quit message. - Kookykman(t)(c)(r)

[edit] CC by-nc-sa

I always hate leaving two headers in a row, but...
I was wondering if the chat channel is under the same CCL as the main wiki. On a related note, we're still using the old version of the liscense. Creative Commons seems to be wanting to phase that one out. (link to the new one) - Kookykman(t)(c)(r)

[edit] Copyright

Sorry to bother you but would you mind looking at HRWiki_talk:FAQ#Copyright and giving some input. BrokenSegue 04:04, 29 November 2005 (UTC) scratch that, it has been settled (User:Tom came by and answered the question). BrokenSegue 04:10, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Extension for the Fanstuff

Just thought we should get your input on this. -- Super Sam 08:00, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks, but we are not interested in adding that extension. -- Tom 13:58, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

What if enough other people are interested in it? -- Super Sam 11:37, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

They can feel free to install it for MediaWiki installations on servers that they administrate. -- Tom 12:19, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

Hey, Super Sam, why don't you ask Homsar about it and his WUW? - Joshua 13:18, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

I don't really have any interest in the WUW, and anyway, I think this topic speaks for itself. Anyway, are you sure there's no option in getting the extension installed? -- Super Sam 13:41, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Firstly, they aren't admins on the Fanstuff Wiki Forum, so they won't be able to view that page. Secondly, when the admins make a choice like this, it's best you leave them alone, because you won't be changing their minds. - Joshua

[edit] Old Sig

I seem to recall you sic-ing Grapenuts on your old sig some time ago, with the mission to "fix really old versions of JoeyDay's sig" or something. So I'm curious, did you want all old versions of your sig updated to template format? I just happened to stumble across this today, and I wasn't sure whether to update it, or leave it for posterity. Or maybe a little prosperity... ⇔Thunderbird⇔ 06:52, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, I did want those replaced. Thanks for the heads-up, TBird. — Joey (talk·edits) 16:31, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] email

Hey Joey, I sent you an email from your .org website last week and I never heard back from you. Did you receive it? I R F 17:52, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

Yes, I did get your email. Sorry I never responded. I remember wanting to reply to your email, but I didn't do it right then and there and I'm bad at coming back to things later. I am interested in the material you mentioned. I'll reply to your email so you have my address and can make the attachment. — Joey (talk·edits) 18:43, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

Cool, I found the hard copy at home but I am still trying to find where I have it on computer (either on one of a few computers or out there is cyberworld). I R F 21:58, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] CSS code

Hey, Joey! Thanks for the css correction. Sorry I didn't reply earlier, but I haven't logged on in forever. ^_^ --JamesGecko 19:27, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

You're welcome. Glad to see you around here. Feel free to take off your coat and stay a while. :) — Joey (talk·edits) 19:37, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] TriviaTime

Just curious, did you purposefully leave out all the question marks on the page for the trivia bot? If you want ?'s, I'd be glad to make a project out of adding them all. I R F 21:55, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, I purposefully left them out. The bot adds the question marks itself as it calls up the questions. — Joey (talk·edits) 22:35, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] could you help?

my sig. wont work look

--DJM1791 ^{· (Sup | Stuff I Did!)} 10:22, 2 December 2005 (UTC) could you help

It's been fixed. :) Homestramy20|^Talk 10:37, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Help

How do I get rid of that annoying "You have new messages" message? --Sam Goldfish 20:01, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

It normally goes away once you open your Talk page once, assuming you don't get another new message. --Jay (Talk) 20:03, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Did that; it's still there. --Sam Goldfish 20:06, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

It's a bug in the new version. As a workaround, unwatch your talk page. (You'll need to do this even if it is you who edits it.) — It's dot com 20:09, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Yea, mine has the same bug. Everytime you get a new message, it automatically starts watching your talk page. You've gotta unwatch it every single time your page is edited. It's annoying, but there's not much you can do for now. ⇔Thunderbird⇔ 21:22, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Hey, Dot Com, TBird, do any of you have a list of users that have encountered said problem? (Does that include you Dot Com?) Since neither me nor Jay encountered the problem, and both TBird and Sam have spaces in theirs, I'm starting to suspect that it's having spaces in the username that is triggering the bug. --Stux 21:40, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

I can help by saying that I have not encountered the bug. And look, ma: no spaces. --DorianGray

I think you may be on to something, Stux. I too have never had this problem. (And I too have no spaces in my username.) Homestramy20|^Talk 23:13, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

No space, no problem for me. - Kookykman(t)(c)(r)

We're not getting far this way. has anyone with a space not had this problem or anyone without a space had it? That would clear up the speculation. — Joey (talk·edits) 23:28, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Heh. Joey's right. Actually, what I had more in mind was to find the links to previous discussions regarding this topic just to see what usernames have encountered the problem thus far. --Stux 07:02, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

Try searching Dot com's talk page... I bet you'll find a few there. People know this: "When in doubt, tell It's dot com." I know I do. --DorianGray

But I bet he prefers "When in doubt, go to HRWiki:FAQ." Username-talk 07:13, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

Or, in this case, HRWiki talk:Upgrade to MediaWiki 1.5. — It's dot com 07:15, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

Ooo! and I found this one and this one! Both originating from spacedd users. Thanks! --Stux 07:20, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

Add me to the list of people with the bug. Oh look, a space ;) Homestar Coder 11:58, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

Me too. And surprise, suprise - Super Sam 12:03, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks guys for your help! We are pretty much 100% certain that this is the cause of the bug. All that's left is to examine the MediaWiki source code and see if we can find the culprit instruction. --Stux 15:49, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

Update: The cause has been isolated and the errant code fixed. — It's dot com 03:43, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks guys, you rock! ⇔Thunderbird⇔ 01:15, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] thank you 'ward

For creating the 2nd best website ever; (next to homestarrunner.com), I present to you the thank you award.

Thanks for creating such an awesome community!

— _talk Bubsty _edits 05:31, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Alright Dude

I'm having come problems with a wiki I'm an admin at, now I just have two questions, can an admin make himself a developer, and does the person who made the wiki have to pay for bandwith? Bassium! m OCE

A sysop or bureaucrat can not make himself a developer. Only other developers can. The founder of the wiki is expected to pay the vast majority of the costs, if not all of them. An alternative is giving the wiki to a wiki hosting service, such as Wikicities. These providers pay the cost of the wiki and host it on their own severs, but the founder, in turn, would have to assume control to Wikicities and become a bureaucrat alone. I hope that answers your question. — Lapper (talk) 22:42, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Re:Copyrights

Sory for taking so long to respond. I would say that if Image:A history.PNG was removed from HRWiki:A History then of course the picture should also be deleted. I base my understanding of fair use law mainly on Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Fair use criteria where it says iamges "must not serve a purely decorative purpose" which is what that picture was doing. Also, any images which aren't linked to an article can't be under fair use need to be deleted because they aren't being used to illustrate anything. I understand you have different (more liberal) policies here and thus I will stop bothering you about this. I certainly hope you're right about this. Cheers! BrokenSegue 03:58, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] R-L Quotes

The curly quotes don't look bad at all! But all that typing... would a quote template useful, or too much? “Kinda like this?” --Stux 17:17, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

What if it was just {{q|Whatever you want to quote}}? I dunno, it would be convenient, but it would kinda be a waste of processor having it include that every time you just want to quote something. — Joey (talk·edits) 17:21, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

C'mon guys, let's keep this as user-friendly and unconfusing as possible. Aside from personal preference, there's nothing wrong with straight quotes, and it only requires Shift plus one key. — It's dot com 17:30, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

Yeah... straight quotes are nice and simple... - Joshua

Edit conflict: Agreed. Unless this is something that a bot could do. I R F 17:42, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

If we use a template like the one JoeyDay suggested, I don't think it's an issue about if a bot could do it or not, or how hard it would be to insert, but rather how difficult it would be for newbies to learn it. - Joshua 17:48, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

Guys, really, let's keep this simple. The template is overkill. The best solution would be a MediaWiki extension that could take straight quotes (double primes) from wiki code and turn them into curly quotes automagically. There are already good engines available for blog platforms (like SmartyPants); they just need to be ported so they plug into MediaWiki. I'm surprised nobody's done this yet. I would do it myself if I felt I had the expertise. — Joey (talk·edits) 17:53, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

I just realized that since we're using UTF-8 we can enter curly quote characters directly into wiki code. You can copy them from your Windows character map program or enter them using the following keystrokes:

• Left single quote: Alt+2015
• Right single quote: Alt+2016
• Left double quote: Alt+0147
• Right double quote: Alt+0148

I'm not sure I recommend doing this in most articles yet. We may still find a way to automate this. — Joey (talk·edits) 18:08, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

You call that simple? That's five keystrokes per symbol. - Joshua 18:30, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

The quote template can be moved to {{q|Whatever you want to quote}} if need be. As for sever load it's pretty much the same kind of load we put on our talk pages when we fill em up with sigs. Page caching usually does a good job at not putting too much load on the pages (well templates are complicated). An extension would be the most convenient way to implement this for users, however. It does have its limitations (like 'Twas the night before Christmas. as presented in the Algorithmic Shortcomings section of the site listed above, also, depending on the robustness of the software, its possible that if there are quotes that are not closed, it will mess up all the other quotes, but then again that would be a good way to bug check! ) ...and the code would have to be ported to Mediawiki, right? Memorizing the numbers or the HTML codes is a bit much to ask for from most users. --Stux 19:08, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

Please allow me to reiterate something I put on another page: I am a commercial printer. I would never use straight quotes on printed matter if I could help it. But here on the wiki, straight quotes look perfectly fine in the font we use. They don't take up too much space, they look good in a table or one after the other, they're easy to type and to read in code, and they don't require any special knowledge to handle. Seriously, I ask you, what is wrong with the status quo? — It's dot com 19:33, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

I use normal quotes for my fanstuff links all the time. They look fine. See? - Joshua 19:36, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

Unless and until we can find a solution to automagically change straight quotes to curly ones, I'm with Dot Com in favor of the status quo. There's absolutely no sense in making users learn the Alt codes or a {{q}} template. I favor proper typography, but not at the expense of ease of editing. — Joey (talk·edits) 21:58, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

Although, points to Stux for thinking of a template. But, yeah, I think this falls in the "if it ain't broke" category. — It's dot com 22:39, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

I'm fine with using straight quotes. -- Tom 01:10, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

Ok i'm gonna continue posting relevant stuff in the Manual of Style Discussion. One last thing, I do like the prettier quotes. I like pretty things. :) If a reasonable extension for automatic curling would be found, that would be the bomb! --Stux 02:11, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

Don't you mean "da baerm"? :) — It's dot com

no I think he meant “da baerm” I R F 18:18, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

Aaaand I'm coming in late on this conversation, but actually I do think the curly quotes look kinda bad onscreen. Maybe that's why MediaWiki's been using straight quotes! —AbdiViklas 18:45, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

Whoa! A dissenter! And do you know what we do with dissenters? No? That's too bad! Cuz I don't know either. I think we give em piemonade or something, and maybe a $5 bribe. Actually, I never imagined someone liking the curly ones less than the straight ones. I just took it for granted that these thing just looked prettier! Hmmm. My mind is boggled. See! There it is again: Beef, Stew. --Stux 19:46, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

Well, I didn't want to say anything before, since we were talking about the issue from a technical/ease-of-use standpoint, but I tend to agree with what AbdiViklas just said. That is, I think straight quotes here on the wiki in the font we use look as good as or better than typographic quotes. (I use such emphasis there because I am a staunch supporter of typographic quotes in extra-wiki applications, and want to make that clear.) — It's dot com 19:53, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

Speaking of templates, I should just make one for me that says, "Wha? Someone say my name? I 'gree with Abdi...", since I do that so much. Bonus points to anyone who can figure out where the quote's from. - Kookykman(t)(c)(r)

That's from Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix. Mundungus Fletcher, about Sirius, after being woken after a meeting. --DorianGray

Well, you're no fun, Dorian. =P - Kookykman(t)(c)(r) 01:30, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] HRWiki Tour

This has been suggested in two other places, but so far has been ignored by anyone in power. So, let's see if someone will listen to the suggestion here.

A few people think that the HRWiki:HRWiki tour, which currently has no solid page linking to it, should be the third tab in HRWiki:Introduction. Do you agree? - Joshua 16:53, 14 December 2005 (UTC) Nevermind. - Joshua 02:03, 20 December 2005 (UTC)