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Week Article Discussion
HRWiki:Featured article for 2012, week 41 (Oct 8–14) Redirects - Kid Speedy discussion
HRWiki:Featured article for 2012, week 42 (Oct 15–21) Redirects - Pants discussion
HRWiki:Featured article for 2012, week 43 (Oct 22–28) Bad Graphics Ghost discussion
HRWiki:Featured article for 2012, week 44 (Oct 29–Nov 4) Halloween Fairstival discussion
HRWiki:Featured article for 2012, week 45 (Nov 5–11) Redirects - Matt Chapman discussion
HRWiki:Featured article for 2012, week 46 (Nov 12–18) Strong Sad's iPod discussion
HRWiki:Featured article for 2012, week 47 (Nov 19–25) Week of Thanksgiving (Nov 19-25) - Let us give TANKS! discussion
HRWiki:Featured article for 2012, week 48 (Nov 26–Dec 2) Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 9.2 discussion
HRWiki:Featured article for 2012, week 49 (Dec 3–9) 2-Part Episode: Part 1 discussion
HRWiki:Featured article for 2012, week 50 (Dec 10–16) 2-Part Episode: Part 2 discussion
HRWiki:Featured article for 2012, week 51 (Dec 17–23) Decemberween in July Dailies - Decemberween in July discussion
HRWiki:Featured article for 2012, week 52 (Dec 24–30) The Last Featured Article - A Death-Defying Decemberween discussion

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[edit] Bad Graphics Ghost

Done HRWiki:Featured article for 2012, week 43 (Oct 22–28)

Surprised it was never featured; also, it was once accidentally bolded on the nominations page. RickTommy (edits) 01:54, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

This will be nice to feature next year for Halloween. Second'd! — Ngamer01 18:30, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
I think we should hold this one off until Halloween next year as well. Soiled Bargains (talk|ctrb) 18:35, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
I approve of a Hallow's Eve '12 feature. PowerFile:Homestar Kamikaze Green Favicon.pngPie 23:45, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
I'm guessing you guys mean the week before Ween? RickTommy (edits) 04:24, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
Yeah, week before. PowerFile:Homestar Kamikaze Green Favicon.pngPie 13:57, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
I made a draft of a Bad Graphics Ghost FA. --hegtcX1.png Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 01:19, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

While I understand that you guys want to feature this for the week before 'Ween, I intended this one as a feature for any time. RickTommy (edits) 20:16, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

Then you're going to be annoyed at Halloween FA reruns if we do this ASAP. At least by waiting, you'll get one new Halloween FA this year that is if FAS isn't put on hiatus by that time. — Ngamer01 13:44, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
I also think this will make a fine feature for halloween. — Defender1031*Talk 17:29, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
You know what, I've changed my mind. I don't think this should be featured at all if it's going to conflict with the suggestions that I have in mind for Ween. And like I said, I intended this one to be featured any time. Also, the week of Ween is specifically for the big toons. RickTommy (edits) 23:15, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
RickTommy, you're not approaching this the right way. You're talking about it conflicting with "the suggestions that I have in mind for Ween" and how "I intended this one to be featured at any time" (emphasis mine). What you think is scarcely the point. It's what the community thinks that matters, and they clearly think this article should be featured the week before Halloween. If it's against your plans, I'm sorry, that's rough. Heimstern Läufer 00:31, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
Actually Soiled Bargains, Defender, and I wanted this for Halloween week. Rick was the one that stated that everyone wanted it before Halloween when actually only Power Pie wanted it for before Halloween. So technically this doesn't have consensus. I'll move this out of the queue. — Ngamer01 03:25, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
Could we please have clarification on this? I assumed when people said "Halloween" they meant "the Halloween season", not specifically that week. Since we do indeed nearly always feature a full-length toon on Halloween itself, and I don't really see why it would be different this year. Are people fine with making this the week before Halloween? Heimstern Läufer 04:49, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

I'm cool with this being the week before, though I see no reason for it not to be the week of, especially in a Hiatus where there is not an unlimited supply of big halloween toons. Also, Ngamer, there IS consensus to feature, we even have consensus as to roughly when to feature, just not clear on which of the two proposed weeks. — Defender1031*Talk 11:52, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

You're right that there's not an unlimited supply of big toons, but there are some left that haven't been featured, and I think at least one is highly deserving of being featured. In fact, from what I can see, we still have three more years before we'd run out. And there is tradition: while I know that "we've always done it" isn't in and of itself a valid reason, all other things being equal, there's a lot to be said for sticking to tradition. And I for one am in favour of keeping our big toon tradition. Heimstern Läufer 14:46, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
Fair enough. Let's stick with the week before. — Defender1031*Talk 00:09, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
I guess I hadn't explained well my reasons from earlier. I mean I know there is consensus for this to be featured, but there was no consensus on when to feature and without that, this had to be moved out of the queue until consensus on when to feature was reached...which is now. I guess if Halloween FA week is for big Halloween toons only, I guess I'm fine with Bad Graphics Ghost being a lead-in to the actual Halloween FA week. — Ngamer01 19:11, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
I know this is a done deal but I also wanted to give my support for the week before halloween (week 43 as stated). Even if we run out of big toons to feature I think we can rerun old big toons in the coming years. --Stux 17:10, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

[edit] Halloween Fairstival

Done HRWiki:Featured article for 2012, week 44 (Oct 29–Nov 4)

Halloween Fairstival. RickTommy (edits) 04:11, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Sure why not. Support. — Ngamer01 18:04, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
Since this'll be October 29... how about Pumpkin Carve-nival? It'll be ten years old to the day (Oct 29/02 - Oct 29/12) ...just another idea. That'sBupkis! 17:24, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
First of all, weclome back, Bupkis. Where have you been for the past year and a half? Second of all, Carve-nival has already been featured. RickTommy (edits) 05:20, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
Oh, okay. Also, I haven't been very active here lately, with the hiatus and what not... I guess when sbemail206 rolls around things will pick up :p That'sBupkis! 22:36, 6 October 2012 (UTC)
So, you support Fairstival, right? RickTommy (edits) 13:07, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, we could do that. That'sBupkis! 23:31, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

I had attempted to expand Rick's stub after moving it here. As soon as the writeup is reviewed and fixed, the redirect I did for Week 44 can be reverted for the finished writeup. — Ngamer01 03:39, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

[edit] Strong Sad's iPod

Done HRWiki:Featured article for 2012, week 46 (Nov 12–18)

I'm feeling a little random and want to feel less hypocritical, so I'd like to throw this out as an suggestion. SS's iPods were seen on Podstar Runner 2006 and it's last incarnation Podstar Runner, so the iPod was important in the past. — Ngamer01 18:03, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Support, I guess. RickTommy (edits) 10:44, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
I've got a draft up for review and fixing if it'll help any. — Ngamer01 18:37, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
I think it needs to be reworded to make it clear that strong sad has had many ipods over the years, rather than talking about "strong sad's ipod" as a singular item. I like the idea of this as a feature, the writeup just needs significant improvement before i put in my complete support. — Defender1031*Talk 12:32, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
Okay, I've improved it as best I can. RickTommy (edits) 14:37, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
After seeing the improvements, I support. (That Other Anonny Guy) 121.219.232.190 11:09, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
The draft now strikes me as being disjointed and the same kind of laundry list as some of the other drafts i've made similar comments about. I'd like to see a draft that's both cohesive and comprehensive. — Defender1031*Talk 11:51, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
I think my recent changes to the draft have brought it together in a way with which i'm satisfied. — Defender1031*Talk 12:04, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

[edit] Week of Thanksgiving (Nov 19-25)

Done HRWiki:Featured article for 2012, week 47 (Nov 19–25)

Limozeen Thanksgiving E-Cards. RickTommy (edits) 10:44, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

I never liked that one. Personally, I'd suggest re-featuring Let us give TANKS!. — Defender1031*Talk 11:18, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
Didn't even realize that TANKS would have been the default rerun for this anyway. Also, to be clear, when I say re-feature, I don't necessarily mean using the same writeup, since it might be nice to expand it now that we're far less worried about giving spoilers. The old one also seems a bit dry as compared to the writeups we tend to do nowadays. — Defender1031*Talk 20:41, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
Less concerned about spoilers how? What exactly do you think should be added to the old writeup? I certainly don't think the ending with the nuclear device should be revealed on the main page; I think the ending gag definitely needs to remain a surprise. Heimstern Läufer 02:37, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
What I meant by less concerned about spoilers was... not important. I think I was thinking of something else which in my fully awake state doesn't make nearly as much sense as it did last night when I wrote that. Anyway, I'd expand the writeup somewhat to be a little less dry and more fun, and have a few more details. — Defender1031*Talk 13:31, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
A re-run just because someone doesn't like the original suggestion? I think not. I'll also propose Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 9.2. RickTommy (edits) 02:14, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
Let me be a bit more clear then. E-cards and MAM9 are not big thanksgiving toons, and they're both kinda meh. In addition, reruns when there's no consensus for an original suggestion is EXACTLY how the system works, and let me remind you again that you seem to be the only person who has any sort of problem with that. If we don't get consensus it'll end up being tanks anyway. I'm just attempting to head that off and propose we at least feature tanks with a newly created writeup, rather than reusing the old one. — Defender1031*Talk 08:56, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
I agree with Deffy on nearly all points, particularly that E-cards is kind of meh and that redirects are a fine solution that no one hates but you. As for MAM 9, I don't think it's meh at all, I think it's really, really funny. But it's not a Thanksgiving toon. It contains a Thanksgiving afterthought. In fact, I think it wouldn't be a bad idea to feature it right after Thanksgiving, since that's when it was released and when it's set, apparently. It would fit well with what's on readers' minds. But putting a toon about "Is it next Thanksgiving yet?" during the week of Thanksgiving does not fit well at all. Heimstern Läufer 10:17, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
I too, support Defender's suggestion to re-feature TANKS for Thanksgiving. --Stux 14:09, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
Sorry to pile on, but I also wanna see TANKS again for Thanksgiving week. — Ngamer01 18:32, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

[edit] Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 9.2

Done HRWiki:Featured article for 2012, week 48 (Nov 26–Dec 2)

Like Heimstern said, it's really really funny, and makes sense to be featured right after thanksgiving, so i'd like to see it featured for the following week, Nov 26 - Dec 2. — Defender1031*Talk 10:23, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Agree per already stated reasoning. Heimstern Läufer 10:26, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
I also support featuring for the proposed post-thanksgiving timeline. --Stux 14:09, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

[edit] 2-Part Episode: Part 1

Done HRWiki:Featured article for 2012, week 49 (Dec 3–9)

I'm wondering how we'd feature these. Should we feature them simultaneously, back-to-back, or with Part 1 getting half a week and Part 2 getting the other half? RickTommy (edits) 01:03, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

Back-to-back weeks would be best since each episode has enough material to make 'em stand for their own week. I don't see a need to feature both in one week. Support'd! — Ngamer01 16:17, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
I agree with Ngamer. — Defender1031*Talk 17:24, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

[edit] 2-Part Episode: Part 2

Done HRWiki:Featured article for 2012, week 50 (Dec 10–16)

I'm wondering how we'd feature these. Should we feature them simultaneously, back-to-back, or with Part 1 getting half a week and Part 2 getting the other half? RickTommy (edits) 01:03, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

Back-to-back weeks would be best since each episode has enough material to make 'em stand for their own week. I don't see a need to feature both in one week. Support'd! — Ngamer01 16:17, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
I agree with Ngamer. — Defender1031*Talk 17:24, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

[edit] Decemberween in July Dailies

Done HRWiki:Featured article for 2012, week 51 (Dec 17–23)

Homestar and the Nice Present. RickTommy (edits) 13:07, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

I propose a bit of a bolder move, and do a set of dailies from Decemberween In July. Most of them have already been featured on their own, but it'd be nice to see these featured all together. It'd include the above suggestion as well as a couple of other toons that haven't been featured yet. Here's the order i'd propose, with a star next to those that have been featured already (we can reuse the writeups for those):
— Defender1031*Talk 13:24, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
That set of dailies sounds like a fun idea! I support it. Heimstern Läufer 14:26, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
Holiday dailies of old and new sound good to me. Support'd! — Ngamer01 16:47, 10 October 2012 (UTC)
As much as I dislike redirects, it's almost worth doing them if they're part of a daily, given how uncommon dailies are. So I support this daily too. RickTommy (edits) 01:33, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

[edit] The Last Featured Article

Done HRWiki:Featured article for 2012, week 52 (Dec 24–30)

A Decemberween Mackerel. RickTommy (edits) 13:07, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Nah, i kinda hate mackarel. Senor Cardgage isn't at all his usual self, and the whole toon just makes me feel like TBC had waited so long to make one that they forgot how to actually create a homestar toon. Kinda like star wars episode 1. A Death-Defying Decemberween is a much better choice. — Defender1031*Talk 13:26, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
Aww, I like Decemberween Mackerel! I don't think SC's any more out of character than we would expect for someone feeling the effects of hypothermia. Then again, I also like Death-Defying D'ween. I could go for either here. Heimstern Läufer 14:29, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
Well, for example, SC doesn't call people by female names, instead calling them things like "pez dispenser". His words that are almost "one word and not quite another" are not in his usual style. Heck, IMO, if you give him homsar's accent and wail, the lines fit a lot better. — Defender1031*Talk 14:34, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
I'd prefer Death-Defying D'ween over Mackarel only because we end with a Homsar cliffhanger that scares me in Mackarel. — Ngamer01 16:32, 4 November 2012 (UTC)
Guess I'll change my mind and support the Triple D, too. RickTommy (edits) 00:49, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

I'd like to reopen this discussion. This will be the last featured article. As such, I don't think A Death-Defying Decemberween is the best choice. If we really want to stick with Decemberween, then A Decemberween Mackerel is a much better toon, both in its construction and thematically. Or we can go outside the box. Thoughts? — It's dot com 23:34, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

This sudden announcement has gained my attention. You now have another head in this discussion, but right now it's just sitting there thinking. It wants to see featured articles on this wiki go out with a bang. Soiled Bargains (talk|ctrb) 00:17, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
While it's true Mackerel mostly fits the spirit of Decemberween better, Homsar's fate is left hanging and is very anti-Decemberween. But if the rest of the wiki community would rather see Mackerel featured, I won't oppose it. As of right now, consensus is minimally leaning toward D'ween. Hopefully we can resolve this soon otherwise FA will end on a rerun. — Ngamer01 19:31, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
Hello everybody,
I went back and re-watched both Mackerel and Death-Defying and I'm having a hard time choosing. Before I go into details let me start with what I consider to be the most important points: given the time constraints and the fact that FA is ending, I'd like to emphasize that we *should* pick one of either Mackerel or Death-Defying as our last FA. We don't have any other suggestions (I couldn't come up with better ones despite looking through the Toons list) and I think they're both very appropriate toons to end with. Second: there's only a few days left in the week. I think that we should, as a group, make a decision by Friday so that a writeup can be made Saturday.
That said, I have a hard time picking between toons: they each have a different pace and a different theme. Mackerel is slower and more somber. Cardgage isn't Cardgage but who is when they're on the throes of death? The cultural references are there but they're more subtle and a little harder to miss. Thematically this fits: we're retiring FA, H*R is on hiatus and it's December. There is uncertainty and whatnot regarding the fates of our beloved characters (Cardgage and later Homsar) but we go on. We'll have more decemberweens to celebrate and if Homsar can survive a Heavy Lourde, then Hypothermia should be nothing. He's Homsar after all!
Death-Defying is a completely different animal. It is fast-paced, random, and it is full of subtle and overt references to modern media and culture. The whole toon itself is almost a commentary on modern life: silly sitcoms, crazy risk taking, and the lengths that we go to to avoid some the holiday rituals we sometimes despise (we as in some of us). This is standard H*R fare and then some. It may not fit the theme but it would serve the purpose of illustrating the sheer randomness that is Homestar Runner (dot com).
So, after all that, what is my vote? I am having a very hard time with this and I keep wavering between one side and the next, but I edge a little (about 0.1%) on Death-Defying. Mackerel is more mature but Cardgage's hypothermia is distracting to me, i find myself enjoying the more "traditional" fare a little better. What say ye all? --Stux 01:41, 20 December 2012 (UTC)
The thematic parallels between A Decemberween Mackerel and the wiki are exactly why I think it should be the last feature. Plus I just think it's the funnier toon. — It's dot com 02:04, 20 December 2012 (UTC)
Why is it the last featured article? Have you featured every single article on this wiki already? Dagoth 02:07, 20 December 2012 (UTC)
And what will take the place of the FA section on the Main Page? Dagoth 02:13, 20 December 2012 (UTC)
See the talk page. We've been toying with the idea of taking a break from featured articles for a while now, and the end of the year seems like a good time to make a change. In their place will be a toon or toons of the day. — It's dot com 02:24, 20 December 2012 (UTC)
My vote is still on Death Defying, for the reasons i've already said, the reasons stux laid out, and the fact that in my opinion, it was far funnier. I personally found mackarel to be rather dull. — Defender1031*Talk 11:54, 20 December 2012 (UTC)
Another reason I think A Decemberween Mackerel is the appropriate choice is because it's the last real toon (Which Ween Costumes? was released a week later but has no plot). — It's dot com 15:29, 20 December 2012 (UTC)
Neither of the toons really seem like the right choice to me, but if I had to choose, I'd probably go for Death-Defying. It's a more traditional presentation with a better twist.

Does the last feature article have to parallel with the status of homestarrunner.com and the knowledge base? I mean, let's look at this as the last Featured Article, "hiatuses" aside. Is it a bad idea to think this through as if the site was still tranglin' on alright? If anything, that thought help supports Death-Defying's nomination. Busy with his edumacation, Soiled Bargains (talk|ctrb) 01:49, 21 December 2012 (UTC), edited 04:47, 21 December 2012 (UTC)
to be perfectly honest: even though I haven't contributed toward the FA process in quite a while, the reason being that i sometimes go the whole week without visiting the main page, i'd rather not make this the end of featured articles. But to amend the first thing i just said: between the two articles discussed here, I'd prefer A Death-Defying Decemberween. The Knights Who Say Ni 20:19, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

Since it looks like consensus edges towards Death-defying I have gone ahead and created the skeleton for it. I will be driving to Michigan today so I'll be unavailable to sit and finish the summary today. I may have time tomorrow. But if someone else can start it, that would be awesome! Also, I took the only picture available from the article. Perhaps a more action-y picture might be better? I leave it in your hands! --Stux 16:47, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

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