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Checklist for new Tweets: [edit]

Checklist for new Tweet Month Pages: [edit]

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  • Add the first tweet(s) to replace the "First post goes here" comment.
    • Make sure that the most recent tweet includes the |table-begin=1 parameter.
    • Make sure that the oldest tweet includes the |table-end=1 parameter.

Tweet Update Progress: [edit]
Original discussion here. Relevant project found here.
  • Done Currently completed up to January 3, 2019
  • Done Response tweets that are only accessible by registered users
  • Done Video transcripts
  • Done Images uploaded
  • To do Verify Image transcripts
  • To do Check for missing/incorrect fun facts
  • To do Check for missing links to tweets from other articles
  • To do Formatting fixes and missing information, January 3, 2019 – present
  • To do Wish: A Twitter bot that would automatically update tweets (needs account and API access, and would be limited by the free tier. It has to follow rate limiting rules. A python API wrapper can be found here. An article that might help in development can be found here. If possible the tweet should also be automatically added to the Internet Archive.)

@StrongBadActual talk



[edit] Gallery

I see there is a twitpic gallery. Before I upload the latest one, do we want to upload all of them? — User:ACupOfCoffee@ 21:17, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

  • I think we should archive all the Twitter pictures. If there get to be too many here we can start a new page for them. — Bassbone (TALK Strong Mad Has a Posse CONT) 23:32, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
There used to be a different cover photo. I don't know if anyone managed to get it. But it was a close-up of Puppet Strong Bad's eyes. Homfrog 01:33, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

[edit] 3D Lappier model gif/gifs

Hey, I downloaded the looping Lappier images from the Twitter feed and converted them to GIFs, but I don't have the permissions to upload them.
The Twitter3DLappier.gif is here and the TwitterLappier.gif is here.
I also have the original .mp4s from the feed, which are located here for the TwitterLappier.gif and here for the 3D printed Lappier. UN TACO 20:25, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

You need special permissions to upload files? Catjaz63 20:29, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
Yeah, you need to be an Autoconfirmed user, which I'm not, since I'm new. :P I get this error when trying to access the file. UN TACO 20:31, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
I'll upload them for you. Catjaz63 20:36, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
Awesome, thanks. :) UN TACO 20:40, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

[edit] Numbering the Tweets

So, there are many tweets and possibly more to come. However, when a tweet references some running gag in the Homestar Runner Universe, it is added to the "appearances" section of that running gag's page, but just as @StrongBadActual. Should we have some kind of numbering system for the tweets, so if the tweets repeat a joke, you can identify which tweets and referencing what joke? I feel bunching all the tweets together instead of listing them seperately makes it a bit confusing. It's like if we just put "Videlectrix" whenever the website referenced a joke. - Catjaz63 00:38, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

It would be a great idea to use some form of identificaption for each tweet. But now comes the difficult part. Is numbering adequate? For example, if we number them based on the order they are added (eg, 001, 002, 003), but we forget to list one of them (so the fifth one is written as 004 instead of 005), do we change all of the surrounding numbers (008 becomes 009 and so on) or just tack it on as an afterthought (adding 004 as 004a, for example)?
Or, do we use the numerical identifier Twitter uses for each tweet (eg, Keyboard Strong Bad is "591293390140153856"), or the ASCII-based identifier for the shorter link to the page itself (Keyboard Strong Bad is "aRm7hX7iUC")? Should readability be important, or should it take a backseat to accuracy? And, if it should be readable, should it include the date and time, subject, accompanying toon, or any other relevant information to distinguish it from the other tweets?
*gasp* My vote is for the cells in the table to be identified by the numerical identifier, but not shown visibly and instead used to locate the cell itself in internal links. Then the textual references can be identified by date. So the link would say "Tweet from @StrongBadActual on April 23, 2015" and link to "@StrongBadActual#591293390140153856".-- ■■   PURPLE  WRENCH   ■■ 01:29, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
I think we should do the numerical identifier, but it should be listed on the @StrongBadActual page so it can easily be copy+pasted. Or, maybe a sub-page with all the identifiers. However, since the tweets are showcased in rows, how would it auto-scroll down to the correct tweet? -Catjaz63 01:40, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
Well, I hate to say it, but we might have to make it into a vertical list (like the YouTube Thumbnails). That format seems to work better when linking to specific information, whereas a gallery is better when that is not necessary. -- ■■   PURPLE  WRENCH   ■■ 01:50, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
Would it be too much of a crime to give each tweet his own page? He doesn't update very often, soooooo.... yea or nay, juys? PsychicRadroach 05:08, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
One individual wiki page for each tweet? Yeah that sounds like a serious misdemeanor or maybe even an entry level felony. I think Purple Wrench's suggestion of numbering the tweet (001, 002, etc...) and displaying that numbering would suffice. It actually wouldn't be too difficult to modify the {{tweet}} template to support such a feature via an optional parameter. The template can also automatically build the anchor link so that a tweet can be linked like so: [[@StrongBadActual#tw005|some link]]. And if typing all that is too much, we can also create a template to automatically link to tweets! That said, it's too late for me to do such changes tonight. Feedback welcome. --Stux 05:35, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
My concern with that, like I said before, is that numbering like "tw005" doesn't allow for potential mistakes to be made. If tw005 should actually be tw006, then tw006, tw007, tw008 etc all have to be changed. If we use a numbering system that doesn't concern itself with order, then no matter what order the tweets are added to this page, they will all be linked correctly. Any mistake will only affect a single tweet, rather than all the tweets before or after it. However, if you think that's not enough of a concern, then it certainly is a viable option. -- ■■   PURPLE  WRENCH   ■■ 16:47, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
Ah! No, no, no. I wasn't suggesting automatic renumbering. I was suggesting full manual numbering. I briefly considered automatic renumbering but rejected the idea for the same reasons that you mention. Instead the template would be used like so: {{tweet|idx=001|...}} and then it would display "Tweet #001" in the text and create anchor link to #tw001 automagically. --Stux 21:29, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
I liked the suggestion of using the tweet ids as our own internal ids as well, rather than us making our own numbering. — Defender1031*Talk 12:53, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

[edit] Video gifs

So Strong Bad's most recent tweet features a gif video with audio. How will we transcript or list this without putting on a .gif without the necessary audio? - Catjaz63 22:13, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

This problem becomes even more priminent and it appears they're going to be doing this video gif stuff regularly on the Twitter page and stuffs. - Catjaz63 19:02, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
I don't think it's actually a gif. The Edgarware animation was likely a gif that got converted to a "gifv" or an mp4 or something like that, so it wasn't terrible to convert it back. But this started out as a video, not a gif.
My suggestion is, leave a small screenshot of the video and add a description (or transcript, if possible) underneath it. That roughly equates what we do for YouTube videos. -- ■■   PURPLE  WRENCH   ■■ 21:47, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
Nah; Edgarware and this are all .mp4 but are labelled as .gif's by Twitter. How about making like, a "click here" to redirect to a transcript below? I'd like to see what you mean by this. - Catjaz63 22:20, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
I meant something like this:

STRONG BAD: Hi, I'm Strong Bad, and this is MY talk and mouth move. 'Cause Homestar just doesn't bring the great times, am I right? ...Anyone?

Hey you juys, here's anudda update fo' ya!

3T Jul 2015

Except maybe with a hide/show button for the text. Just a quick sketch of an idea, there. -- ■■   PURPLE  WRENCH   ■■ 00:17, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
I'm a bit concerned how this would work with the template; all the boxes are normally the same size. However, this idea of yours makes it longer. Catjaz63 (Talk | contribs) 00:22, 29 July 2015 (left unsigned)
Who are you? ...Oh, Catjaz, sorry, I couldn't tell. Yeah, you're right that it makes the boxes longer. If we put the transcript below, though, it might get unruly, and if we put it on separate pages they might be too short (I'm thinking long-term here). And the show/hide button could be positioned so that it's the same size as every other box until you click on it.
Or, we could switch to a one-column table format, with pictures on the left, the description in the center, and the date on the right. Then the description box could also have a show/hide button for the transcript to appear below the description inside the box, and all of the tweets would still be the same width. Height wouldn't matter anymore. -- ■■   PURPLE  WRENCH   ■■ 01:13, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
I think that's the best idea, honestly. Though, we might need to separate the pages if he begins tweeting a bunch. - Catjaz63 15:56, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
Again, this is all long-term, but it would probably be sufficient to separate them by year. Maybe by season if the videos become involved. But this is Twitter we're talking about, so naturally it's likely going to be pretty concise all around. -- ■■   PURPLE  WRENCH   ■■ 00:04, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

[edit] Video mirror

I think we should make mirror links for the videos, if legal. --Image:Homsariconformysig.gifBroncoTroll 21:24, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

That could take up a lot of space depending on how frequently they add videos. At the least, though, having thumbnails for the videos might be a good idea. -- ■■   PURPLE  WRENCH   ■■ 22:45, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
I'm just concerned that he'll take down the account and we'll lose the content like with ronginald. --Image:Homsariconformysig.gifBroncoTroll 00:03, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
So the three videos he has now (I'm not counting the gif-videos) take up 5.7MB. That's less than Fish Eye Lens, but it's only about 30 seconds long. For a more drastic comparison, crying is roughly half the size of the video where he only quotes the intro from it! (that's 586KB for the sbemail and 1MB for the video)
For a user to download a bunch of these videos, all tee really needs is a moderately-sized hard drive and a fast Internet-style konnekshun. Hosting them on a mirror requires both server costs and the appropriate bandwidth. The wiki has been able to reduce its server costs considerably (and that's why there are no more fundraisers for it), but at the expense of both speed and bandwidth. That's why it practically went down after April Fool 2014 from all the hype.
In short, any user who wants to see it saved can take action temmself. I might consider making a Homestar Offsite page that links to all the videos directly for that purpose. But only if they put up enough videos for it to really make a difference. -- ■■   PURPLE  WRENCH   ■■ 00:32, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
Ugh I remember that. It was frikken slow. And only a few days ago with Flash is dead! the same thing happened. It's like a datum center bank run. --Image:Homsariconformysig.gifBroncoTroll 21:40, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

[edit] Do we need the Identity section still?

The main reason the Identity section was created in this page was because the legitimacy of the account was still under debate at the time. However, now that we know it's completely official, do we really need it? We could easily super-hyper-condense it into a Fun Fact if we really needed to or just remove it all-together. - Catjaz63 11:38, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

But we don't know who exactly operates the account. It could be either Matt or Mike (or both) - heck, it could even be Jackie. RickTommy (edits) 12:13, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
I agree with Cat. It seems kind of weird now that we know it's official. --Image:Homsariconformysig.gifBroncoTroll 21:12, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
It certainly isn't relevant anymore... but it was relevant at one time. That seems like reason enough to keep it. After all, no one is getting rid of HRWiki:A History even though most of it doesn't have any urgent repercussions now. But maybe it should be modified to reflect that there was a time people were concerned about who was behind this Twitter account, and we documented the proverbial snot out of it, which you can see here, and now we can all look back and laugh at how obviously it was TBC all along. That's the attitude a good knowledgebase should have towards keeping information.
Except for that one time when *bzzzzzzzzzzt* CONNECTION TERMINATED -- ■■   PURPLE  WRENCH   ■■ 01:20, 8 August 2015 (UTC)
I know this is an old discussion, but my suggestion is to keep it on the page, as part of the Fun Facts section at the bottom. Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 01:04, 29 July 2017 (UTC)
On second thought, it should probably be removed. It's kind of outdated— since that list was made, there has been tons more proof that this account is run by TBC. And since everyone knows it's run by TBC, it's kind of unnecessary to provide outdated proof. We could just replace it with a sentence in the introduction that says "This account is official and appears to be run by The Brothers Chaps." The difference between the Identity section and HRWiki:A History, is that one is an outdated and no-longer-relevant list, and the other is intentionally teaching about the past. Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 02:17, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

[edit] Retweets

How are we going to treat retweets by Strong Bad? Are we going to treat them similarly to replies? - Catjaz63 11:47, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

I'd say we list them in a different section. --Image:Homsariconformysig.gifBroncoTroll 04:28, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
Given from what I've seen so far, it seems like the retweets are recognized fanstuff. The wiki policy on fanstuff is that it isn't allowed unless recognized on the H*R website (this is before Twitter was a thing though). There might be a need for a new wiki policy discussion regarding SB retweets. — Ngamer01 16:01, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
Fanstuff? How is it fanstuff if it's a real thing TBC wrote? I think we should document them. Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 19:05, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
I think this is referring to retweets of unaltered fanstuff, (eg, that one piece of fanart of Homestar that Strong Bad commented on without doing anything to it). [Edit: And looking at it, that tweet was deleted. Fortunately, I have a copy of the fanart itself.] The reason for that policy is likely due to copyright issues. I also would like to see them documented, hence their inclusion on my version of the page. -- ■■   PURPLE  WRENCH   ■■ 20:41, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

[edit] Identity Crisis

So there's a bit of a problem currently. Both the Instagram and Twitter run off the handle @strongbadactual due to the way that Instagram and Twitter allow for targeting of other users or mentions. So, I think we should do "@StrongBadActual (Twitter)" and "@strongbadactual (Instagram)" in order to separate the accounts and keep the names consistent. - Catjaz63 21:10, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

Why not just Twitter and Instagram and we have something like "for the deactivated account used previously, see @ronginald" at the top of Twitter instead of the disambig page that it is now? — Defender1031*Talk 21:17, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
We can do that. - Catjaz63 21:38, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
But what if they make more accounts related to H*R? I feel like adding the website in brackets would be better. - Catjaz63 21:40, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
If all of the posts are similar in content/length to what has been posted so far, we could merge all of the sites together under one page and just specify which social media site corresponds to each post. See also: the table on my sandbox page, which I've updated to seamlessly include the Instagram posts. -- ■■   PURPLE  WRENCH   ■■ 01:22, 7 October 2015 (UTC)
That seems like a cool idea on paper, but in execution that would be a hassle to sort through and/or really messy and non-organized. I say we just keep them separate. - Catjaz63 03:11, 7 October 2015 (UTC)
I agree with Catjaz— @StrongBadActual (Twitter) and @strongbadactual (Instagram) are probably the best choices despite being a bit long. Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 01:04, 29 July 2017 (UTC)
Or we could consider another option— since this is the main account, people who search @StrongBadActual on the wiki would most likely be looking for this page. If they aren't, there's a handy link to the Instagram article at the very top. So maybe we could keep this page the way it is, and rename Instagram only. Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 04:46, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
After the recent cleanup, I'd like to revisit this topic. I actually agree with Gfd's suggestion: leave this page just as @StrongBadActual (but leave the @StrongBadActual (Twitter) redirect alone. The @StrongBadActual (Instagram) redirect is good to have (in case more instagram accounts pop out in the future), but rename discussion can be completed on that page. Overall, I think it's okay to leave things named as they are now (keeping this page's name permanent). I'd like to remove the tag in the next few days if there isn't any opposition. --Stux 19:57, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
I've removed the rename tag as mentioned in my previous post. I think everyone is happy with the current naming scheme. --Stux 15:34, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

[edit] Click here to E-mail Strong Bad?

Since Strong Bad is officially all up ons these social networking sites, does that mean he no longer checks e-mails, or that there's no other way to contact him? I'm concerned because I don't use social networking sites and would prefer not to in the event I may want to contact Strong Bad in the future. 02:07, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

Nobody knows. They probably do check their email from time to time though. - Catjaz63 02:19, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
Well, considering that one of the earliest tweets in this HRWiki archive says "The combo of spam and neglect have made me self-aware. Goodbye forever, Strong Bad. :-(", I'd say that seems fairly final, even if it is a joke. So I probably won't get my hopes up. But it won't stop me from trying anyway.

[edit] Send in more wiki!

Isn't it at least disturbing to you that the Gallery has these patches? Can't we just add more information about them? Ooh ooh! I know! I know! How about we create a transcript article for all the videos Strong Bad has tweeted? And when you click on the newly added photos for the posts, they link to the article. You never know when the account could be deleted like @ronginald was...

XY 9:13 PM, March 8th, 2016 (EST)

Purple Wrench is working on that. Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 02:31, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

[edit] Guys...

I think you forgot to add the baby one. You know, the one with the unborn Strong Bad baby... -- 14:33, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

Nope. This article only covers non-retweets (wow, that's a strange word...) for the time being. I'm not happy about that myself, but we're not breaking consistency out of preference. However, I am doing-some-bow-dis: take a look at my sandbox, where I currently have a much more complete list of tweets as well as Instagram posts. -- ■■   PURPLE  WRENCH   ■■ 16:45, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

[edit] New Design

I think we should change the page so it features the version Purple Wrench has in his sandbox. That way, we can include video transcripts and replies. When are we gonna do dat? Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 19:07, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

There's still a debate about whether the video/image transcripts are necessary, and another one about whether replies count as actual content. Granted, they aren't heated debates... and since there isn't a huge amount of Wiki presence these days, it might take a while before we reach a consensus.
Plus I also catalog the Instagram posts there too, and I seem to recall a discussion about whether to include them (and where) that never reached a consensus either. Can't find it now though. -- ■■   PURPLE  WRENCH   ■■ 20:41, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

[edit] Dear Mr. Strange L. Bood

So apparently Strong Bad's changed his name to Strange Bood. Should this be noted on the page? Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 04:26, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

I vote yes, but I should mention that it seems like some kind of Halloween foreshadowing. I wouldn't expect it to last much longer than that. -- ■■   PURPLE  WRENCH   ■■ 00:03, 14 October 2016 (UTC)

[edit] Video Transcripts

We need to be documenting the videos that Strong Bad posts in the main namespace. Strong Bad's been tweeting brand-new, albeit short, Homestar Runner content at us, and the only place we even have it transcribed is on a user's personal subpage. That needs changed. So how should we go about this? Should we transcribe them all right on the @StrongBadActual page? Should we create one page for [[Twitter Videos]] or [[Twitter Video Transcripts]]? Or should we make a separate page for each one, with Fun Facts and everything? Thoughts?

On an almost-related note, ought we to make a page for The Makeromancer as a Strong Sad variation? It at least belongs on an Other Costumes page or some'n. Lira (talk) 01:09, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

EDIT: After I opened my eyes and actually looked at the page I posted this on, I see that similar questions have been asked before. But nothing's been done yet, and it's hard to deny at this point that we really need transcripts, what with the Makeromancer and all. Lira (talk) 01:13, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

I should point out that The Makeromancer is a variation of a variation, since the get-up is based on Strong Sad's Grim Reaper/Deathly Pallor costume. Nested variations are trickier to deal with, methinks. -- ■■   PURPLE  WRENCH   ■■ 01:19, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
We should replace the Tweet Gallery with what's in Purple Wrench's sandbox (except for Instagram, which will be put on its own page.) The other ideas are good too. And I'm not sure if the Makeromancer has to have his own page... He's only appeared in a short Twitter video. He should definitely be on Strong Sad Other Costumes, though. Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 02:34, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
I'd say the format of Purple Wrench's sandbox should be used in the main namespace, since it allows for video transcripts and it's more similar to the format of the Weeklies' pages. Also probably split it up by year like Purple Wrench said. DEI DAT VMdatvm center\super contra 13:28, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
I agree. Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 01:16, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
So when are we going to do this? It kind of annoys me that none of this information is on the page. Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 22:51, 24 May 2017 (UTC)
Here's a question: Do we have permission to republish other people's tweets? We're assuming that we can republish TBC's because... they're TBC. But would copying tweets word for word from other people and not embedding it violate people's privacy and/or Twitter's ToS? - Catjaz63 22:53, 24 May 2017 (UTC)
After only briefly skimming around (so take this with a grain of salt), it seems like this is simply too new of an issue to say one way or another. There's recently been a question of whether people plagiarizing tweets (not for posterity or archival, but rather for impersonation) is considered legal or not. Somehow I doubt this particular case is even going to be addressed until that's been thoroughly decided.
While TBC's tweets are the heart of the matter here, I purposely paraphrase [nearly] everyone else mentioned in a retweet and attribute it to them. This provides just enough context to explain Strong Bad's responses, while also acknowledging that other people's tweets are not written by TBC (and not overloading on details too much).
I should also mention that, at least on my version of the page, we are linking to the tweets. Embedding of that kind is not possible at this time on the wiki, and many other wikis and web services don't allow it either. So providing a link accomplishes the same goal through slightly less convenience for the user.
However, this question also brings up an interesting point: if copying tweets verbatim is considered illegal or wrong, even when attributed to the original author... then doesn't that also make the very concept of Strong Bad Email illegal? He's taking emails and reading them out verbatim or with very little editing. (At the very least, it would make sbemail206 and whatever Strong Bad's planning right now illegal, since those both deal directly with tweets.) It would also probably make it illegal to show tweets on live television news, which happens quite often. -- ■■   PURPLE  WRENCH   ■■ 23:48, 24 May 2017 (UTC)
So... when are we going to do this? We need transcripts on this page! Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 00:05, 21 July 2017 (UTC)
Seems like everything's ready. Should we change the page? I find it disturbing that this cavalcanche of videos and retweets are all undocumented in the main namespace. Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 01:04, 29 July 2017 (UTC)
Yes - 13:08, 25 August 2017 (UTC)
Put my vote for yes in too. I think we should start with a page like @StrongBadActual Videos or @StrongBadActual Video Transcripts and go from there. Guybrush20X6 00:04, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
I support putting the transcripts in the post text, like on User:Purple Wrench/sandbox. A page for all videos would eventually become long and unorganized, and individual pages would be excessive. Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 04:14, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
Looking it over, I agree that's the best looking option, barring TBC uploading a Youtube video titled "All our misc Twitter Crap!" or something like that. Guybrush20X6 12:02, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

Actually... now that I think about it, a [[Twitter Videos]] page (or [[Social Media Videos]], including Instagram) might be very convenient. I'm not talking about a massive list containing every video transcript, I mean a little table with an image, date, running time, and a link to the transcript on the @StrongBadActual page. Something like this, perhaps:

Screenshot Name Running Time Date
World Puppet Day 0:54 March 21, 2017

I'm not certain about this yet, it's still an idea at this point, but it might be cool. Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 04:46, 13 October 2017 (UTC)

[edit] Skills of an Artist

Now that Strong Bad is regularly releasing Skills of an Artist videos via Twitter, can we act like it's a new feature (such as Strong Bad Email, Marzipan's Answering Machine, and Teen Girl Squad) and write up individual 'toon pages for each one? Whether or not it'll help solve the video transcripts in tweets problem is up to you. -- 15:46, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

Not a bad idea, necessarily... but I don't think individual pages are really necessary. But I'd be fine with making one Skills of an Artist page, and including all the transcripts and information there (as well as the @StrongBadActual page, as soon as we can include video transcripts (hopefully really soon)). Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 00:48, 20 August 2017 (UTC)
SoaA definitely needs to have a page. - 15:20, 20 August 2017 (UTC)
All right. I'll start working on a draft in my sandbox. Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 19:34, 20 August 2017 (UTC)
Here it is. Should we create it? And if so, should we create a page for Sbemailsong Mystery as well (like this)? Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 02:17, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
No. (This is also a reply to most everything on this talk page.) We don't document everything Ronginald did, do we? Also, this edit summary. RickTommy (edits) 03:17, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
Yes! - 00:41, 25 August 2017 (UTC)
Given that all the "Skills of an Artist" bits were just now uploaded to the Youtube page, I think this is worth documenting as a full article. --DorianGray 03:47, 25 August 2017 (UTC)
Replying to RickTommy: No, we did not. There's a reason for that, as well as a reason why we should document everything @StrongBadActual does. I didn't read @ronginald that often, but from what I can remember, it wasn't completely a Homestar Runner account— just an account for Matt, and more of a side project than anything else. He did talk about Homestar Runner quite often, but it was still just the creator's Twitter account. We only documented what needed to be documented. On the other hand, this is specifically Homestar Runner-related, and concerns actual content. It is the official, constantly updated account of a character in the H*R universe, even mentioned on the website. Also, what DeFender said; @ronginald was probably an experiment mostly, and they're now going full-force with @StrongBadEtc. Sorry, that was pretty long. I got a bit carried away. But anyway, back to the topic; the page was created. That's cool. Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 06:23, 25 August 2017 (UTC)

[edit] Too long, Clanky

As Strong Bad continually updates his Twitter account and we document every 140-character morsel of nonsense he quacks and honks out into the web, this page is beginning to become too huge and too long. I propose we archive old tweets in a similar fashion to the way we split up the website updates and Weeklies. We might not necessarily do Tweets yearly, but we have got to do something about this. -- 02:07, 29 September 2017 (UTC)

Yep, that's the plan. It's supposed to be seperated by year once Purple Wrench's sandbox becomes reality. Speaking of which, when is that going to happen? Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 03:52, 29 September 2017 (UTC)
Looks like you've already made it happen (without consensus, might I add). I oppose, for reasons I've posted on this talk page and others, plus another one: no other Twitter account is covered this excessively. RickTommy (edits) 06:12, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
What other Twitter account should be? --Jay (Talk) 09:48, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
First of all, there most certainly IS consensus for splitting stuff up, albeit spread across a bunch of different talk posts and implicitly consenting proposed edits. Secondly, you view documenting the twitter account as data overload and therefore... oppose a change that would make the data more manageable? Does that even make sense? — Defender1031*Talk 10:08, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
I wasn't referring to the split (which I support). I was referring to the change in format. RickTommy (edits) 12:52, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
This conversation is about the split. You're welcome to discuss the format in the appropriate thread. — Defender1031*Talk 13:13, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
"Looks like you've already made it happen (without consensus, might I add)." What DeFender said. There's never been one official consensus, but that's because, looking over this talk page, almost all users seem in agreement that Tweets should be documented more thoroughly. Not to mention, almost all active users are editing Purple Wrench's sandbox. To be honest, I'm not sure a consensus is even necessary— I can't think of anything negative about this change. Everything seems to be an improvement. (See the third section below.) The only reason a consensus would be needed is because it's such a big change, but luckily that's not a real problem, since everyone's helping out already. And as for "I've already made it happen", I've only created some of the pages. I haven't even changed the main @StrongBadActual page in any way. The new pages aren't yet linked to anywhere, so anyone could easily put a {{tbd}} on them if they disagree. And if it was deleted, nothing would be affected, as the pages aren't linked to. But that's very unlikely because, like I said before, everyone seems to agree that this change is necessary.
"No other Twitter account is covered this excessively." So? Why does that matter? This is the Homestar Runner Wiki. We have a list of every time baths are mentioned in the Homestar Runner universe. The creators use this wiki for their own work. I understand that you don't approve of @StrongBadActual, and I respect your opinion. But your opinion doesn't change the fact that it's the most frequently updated feature of Homestar Runner, and therefore should be documented just as thoroughly as anything else on our wiki.
"I wasn't referring to the split (which I support). I was referring to the change in format." If anything, I support the new format more than the split. Right now, the @StrongBadActual page contains nothing but small boxes with text (sometimes not all of it, in the case of long Tweets, since the boxes are so small), an image (only one, even though some Tweets have several images), and a date. Videos and links are practically ignored— there's text, and nothing else. For example, the newest box reads "In honor of Stinkoman's 15th birthday today, Videlectrix has decided to throw down the 8-bit gauntlet (to themselves I guess?)!", and that's it. A new user might be confused by that text, since there is no context given on the page, or even a link to the video. There is no existing transcript for the trailer to the long-anticipated, legendary Level 10, except on a user's personal subpage. Said subpage also contains links to the Tweet, reply/link context, fun facts, and other improvements. What reason is there not to do this? Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 00:09, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
I agree with everything you just said. There's no reason not to do this and every reason to do it. — Defender1031*Talk 01:15, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
How typical, blindly agreeing with a user other than myself. And that's a lie. There is so a reason not to do it. You wouldn't have said that if I supported the change. RickTommy (edits) 03:41, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
And what is that reason? Also, he wasn't blindly agreeing with me. He actually read what I wrote. Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 04:08, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
(EC'd) I'm not "blindly" agreeing with anything, nor do I specifically take opinions contrary to yours. There have been many opinions of yours which I supported, the most recent being the use of dangeresque character names in transcripts. I judge each topic on its own merits and weigh the pros and cons accordingly. There are no cons here. You are technically correct that I wouldn't have said what I said if you supported the change, but only for the reason that if you, the ONLY one opposing the change, were to instead be in support of it, we wouldn't be having this discussion at all. — Defender1031*Talk 04:13, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

[edit] This year's Tweets

This edit raised an interesting question. Will the current year's Tweets be located at [[@StrongBadActual Tweets 2018]] (like H* updates 2018) or right on the [[@StrongBadActual]] page (like Weekly Fanstuff)? In my mind, they were always listed right on the @StrongBadActual page, but now that I think about it, a seperate page for the current year's Tweets might be better, since @StrongBadActual has so much additional information on it already. Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 01:54, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

I have to admit that that first possibility hadn't really occurred to me when I made that edit— I probably wouldn't have made it if I knew you had that in mind. Now here's an idea I had just now: What if we have the current year's Tweets located at [[@StrongBadActual Tweets (YYYY)]], rig it up with <noinclude>s, and replace this page's Gallery section with {{:@StrongBadActual Tweets {{CURRENTYEAR}}}}? Which list we should link to on the main page remains a question. But how do we feel about that idea? Lira (talk) 12:37, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
Not sure if having two nearly identical pages is the best option. And all those Tweets would take up a lot of space on the @StrongBadActual page. I think the current year's Tweets shoule be on a seperate page. Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 05:53, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
I was about to edit HRWiki:Annual Checklist with instructions for updating these archives when I noticed that the 2018 entry for {{tweets-box}} points to this page and that this page has all the tweets and in a completely different format than the archive. This is fairly redundant and makes a lot of work for the archiver. We definitely need a 2018 page that is up to date with the current tweets and written in the tweet archive format. If this page isn't it, then a new page needs to be created. A different discussion about what to do with the old tweets in this page can probably be started on a different thread. --Stux 12:48, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
Yes, as you can see from earlier discussions, the current page is by no means permanent. When the archive is finished, this page will be changed to match the archive (see User:Purple Wrench/sandbox). Once that's finished, the Tweet boxes on this page can be deleted. The question, however, is: should the current year's Tweets be listed on this page (like Weekly Fanstuff), or on their own page (like H* updates)? Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 19:48, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
I looked at the draft page that you listed and it has *all* Tweets from *all* years. Will that be the intended result?
The description and fun facts are missing from the draft so I'm guessing that if it's merged into this page it will replace the gallery?
Regarding your last question, I'd say we follow the Weekly Fanstuff model and keep only the current year's tweets embedded on this page. --Stux 21:11, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
1. Actually, it doesn't have all Tweets from all years. It only has 2017 and 2018. The only reason it still has 2017 is because the formatting and information are not finished in that section. So no, that won't be the intended result. Each year will get its own page. 2. Yes, the draft won't replace the entire page. Only the gallery. 3. That's what I thought at first, but then I realized the page would be too long (especially since it contains other information, like a description and fun facts). So I think the most convenient solution might be to replace the gallery with the {{tweets-box}} template, linking to each year's page. Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 22:43, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
Damn, that's a lot of tweets! I think you're right. I think the cleaner solution would be to move the contents of the User:Purple Wrench/sandbox to @StrongBadActual Tweets 2018 and keep adding new tweets directly. It would be easier to maintain in the long run. Also, thank you for splitting the 2017 tweets to their own page; everything looks more ready. As for replacing the Gallery section with the {{tweets-box}} template: I think we can start there and then pretty it up as needed. --Stux 23:14, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
Okay, so I've updated the HRWiki:Annual Checklist page to include @StrongBadActual stuff. I also created talk pages along with the {{tweets-talk-box}} template. So, what is left to do? It looks like the 2018 and 2017 pages are incomplete? Is everything from the Gallery already moved to all the archive pages? --Stux 02:03, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
Thanks! There are only three things left:
  1. Finish formatting September 8-30, 2017.
  2. Update 2018 page with all Tweets since July 15.
  3. Replace the Gallery on the main @StrongBadActual page.
And yes, everything from the Gallery is in the archive. Everything and more! Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 04:42, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
Okay! I've gone ahead and removed the Gallery from the page. For archival puposes here is the last snapshot of the page with the gallery. I've also removed the cleanup tag since it looks like the new archive pages take care of that. I don't know why the Category:Pages with too many expensive parser function calls entry wasn't removed. I don't see it anywhere and it seems it was automagically added by the wiki. What I think remains to do on this page are the rename notice (discussed above) and the Film Templates. Those should probably be distributed throughout the appropriate archive pages. Ideally the {{post}} template should handle an entries for filmographies. --Stux 19:51, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

[edit] Twitch Channel

So, Strong Bad now has a Twitch channel, that appeared in the "Kate" Twitch channel. He tweeted about it and you can see him chatting occasionally in the chat history of this video: (32:30 mark for example)

It's located at Should this get added somewhere?

[edit] Splitting Pages

We've already split them up by year, but Strong Bad's been Tweeting so often that the pages are getting overwhelmingly long. My computer lags whenever I try to edit them. Seriously, the 2017 and 2018 archives are the two longest pages on the wiki!! I think we should split these pages further. Either by season as Purple Wrench suggested ([[@StrongBadActual Tweets Fall 2018]]), month ([[@StrongBadActual Tweets July - December 2018]]), or number ([[@StrongBadActual Tweets 2018 (200-400)]]). Or any other methods you can think of. Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 04:35, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

I was actually planning on updating the {{post}} template so that the page could be split into sections by month (and we can bring back the TOC). But my plan involved removing the automatic header detection (where the table header is automatically added based on the hidden count value) and instead manually added the header. It is not something I've had the time to work on. Although not the same as splitting the page into more pages, it would make editing easier since only smaller sections would be edited at a time. It may even be enough to curtail the need to split each year into subpages, but i'm not sure. Another alternative is to have the sections appear inline much like the Fonts page (the automatic header detection wouldn't have to be removed in that case). I still think that splitting the page into sections by month would provide the most benefits in the long term and actually splitting the pages can be decided later. --Stux 05:37, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
I added month sections to the {{post}} template, and tested it on @StrongBadActual Tweets 2018. This should be a good solution until (and if) we decide to split the pages. Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 06:34, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
Comment: Since we've already started linking to individual tweets from within articles, i think it would be best not to split pages further and leave them as they are, separated by year. Otherwise, we'd have to update any links to the split pages. --Stux 14:54, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
UPDATE: This issue has been resolved here: #New Layout and discussed here: Talk:@StrongBadActual Tweets 2023#Process for creating new Months. --Stux 17:58, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

[edit] These are smart quotes

I notice that there have been some edits converting the curly/typographic quotes (“”‘’) found in the original Tweets into straight quotes ("'). Not all of Strong Bad's Tweets have them, but some do. Should the typographic quotes be written as is or should they be converted into straight quotes? DEI DAT VMdatvm center\super contra 17:57, 19 June 2019 (UTC)

To save time actually typing, I tend to copy and paste every Tweet I document. The smart quote is a side-effect of that. Straight quotes, on the other hand, are the default when I type into the wiki editor, and in Notepad for when I want to write a transcript before pasting it onto the wiki. -- 21:49, 19 June 2019 (UTC)

[edit] Twitter Exclusive Videos

Moved from Talk:@StrongBadActual Tweets 2019

Although there aren't many official "toon" updates these days, or even a "short", once in a while a tiny, bite-sized chunk of content gets uploaded to Twitter and then gets buried in the sands of time and Internet detritus. I posted links to individual Tweets featuring some videos on the Mario Paint page, but I'm wondering if we have a place to sort other Twitter-exclusive videos so they are easily accessible, such as Swordguys vs. Skullguys. -- 01:40, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

I've thought about that too, but the problem is that there are so many short videos that are practically indistinguishable from GIFs. We can't include all video files, so where is the cutoff point? How would we decide which videos are to be listed? Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 03:42, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
I don't have any specific guidelines for the cutoff point on which videos should be archived or not. I'd just say it requires a gut-check and some common sense on which videos contain content and which ones are just random bits of gunk. I could compile a list manually and then users could choose which ones are important enough to keep. -- 16:01, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

[edit] Link vs. Quote Tweet

Whenever there's a tweet with a clickable box in it that leads somewhere, we simply call that a "link". Which makes sense. But I'm realizing that there's more than one type of link. Twitter terminology is confusing, but my current understanding is:

  • A tweet that links to another tweet is known as a "quote tweet", which is actually a type of retweet.
  • If it's a link to somewhere else, then it's just a link in the text that Twitter decided to turn into a box, probably because marketing research has shown that people find boxes friendly. (Twitter does not do this on quote tweets or tweets that contain an image, probably because marketing research has shown that people find too many boxes at once confusing.)

Why am I bringing this up? I guess it's been bugging me that we talk about Strong Bad linking to someone's tweet the same way that we talk about him linking to the store, even though while these things look similar on screen, they're quite different actions. Maybe we can add a quote parameter in {{post}} to say that "This is a Quote Tweet of x", or "This Tweet quotes x". Maybe I'm making a mountain out of a molehill. At the very least, I wanted to get this information down somewhere and get this term "quote tweet" into people's heads. Lira (talk) 09:06, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

I don't have a strong preference. I feel like this would be a better idea if we were just starting out, but going back and differentiating between Quote Tweets and link boxes sounds like some work, especially since they're visually the same thing, and a Quote Tweet is still technically a link. Either way, it's good to know there's a difference, just in case we ever need to use the terminology in Fun Facts or something. Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 22:38, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
I don't know that it would be an unreasonable amount of work compared to the upkeep we already do in the tweet archives. Ctrl+F |link=, determine whether it's a quote or an external link, change link to quote, maybe tweak wording somewhat depending on what wording we choose in the template. I'd be happy to do it, if we decide that this is a distinction worth making. Lira (talk) 23:16, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
All right. I added the quote parameter, so you can do with that what you will. It doesn't have to be used, but the option's there at least. Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 21:16, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for adding that. I've started putting it into use and I think it's twicely fresh. Regarding wording, I think I slightly prefer the second option, "This Tweet quotes x", as 1) not everyone will readily know what a Quote Tweet is and 2) it grammatically mirrors "is a reply to x" (that is, x is the person, not the tweet itself). Also so we don't have to say things like "a Quote Tweet of x's Tweet". Lira (talk) 02:48, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
Done! Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 03:37, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

[edit] ALT text - adding a field to the template?

Twitter added Image Descriptions/Alternative text a while back, but @StrongBadActual hasn't used it until this week. I think we ought to be transcribing these - beyond being descriptive and aiding in accessibility, they also include little jokes and references for an additional level of humor. Unfortunately I don't know how to edit Template:post but adding an "alt" field (styled similarly to the "reply" or "link" fields) would be the best approach. -- Bleu Ninja 16:24, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Ah, sorry I somehow missed this post. I should be able to add the alt text field once I take a look at it. --Stux 12:35, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

[edit] @depressiosads

So I came across this other Twitter account that operates under the identity of Strong Sad (@depressiosads). It just tweets random Strongsadian musings and other such stuff. I can’t tell if it’s official or just a role playing fan because it doesn’t have any OOC disclaimers, and the account has posted a couple of very official-looking original images here and there. Just thought I’d bring it to attention.

Hmmm, I see what you mean. It's sort of hard to tell if the site (@depressiosads) is official or fan based. I am slightly inclined to believe it's fan based because of the number of youtube video postings (a lot more than @SBA) and the tumblr link seems to be made by Strong Bad. That and @StrongBadActual has made no mention of making fun of his brother's Twitter account. Not sure how best to investigate this to know definitively, though some ideas come to mind. --Stux 12:34, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
I'm almost certain this is run by a fan.
  • The writing style feels noticeably different than Strong Sad's Lament (which, to be fair, was the better part of two decades ago) or the general TBC style... there's sort of a je ne sais quoi about it, but to me it rings as fan RP
  • There are only a couple pictures I see, and one is just an edit of Doomy Tales of the Macabre. As someone who's fiddled around with decompiling and editing in the past, I have to say that the simple shapes and colors of H*R make it pretty easy to create (or piece together) official-looking artwork.
  • Compare to how Strong Bad's accounts are used - there are almost never roleplay-style "did this today" posts, it's either acknowledging and interacting with fans, sharing and promoting new releases, or offering a behind-the-scenes link. The SS account has no link to and zero fan interaction.
  • A bit of Occam's Razor here... I don't see this being something that TBC would spend time on. Even if Matt had expressed interest in giving Strong Sad a tumblr, I can't imagine they'd spend their time broadcasting pretty weak jokes that rarely get more than ten likes. Secret stuff like "Strong Sad's Lament", Coach Z pukes in dude's toupee, or slash/slash are linked or hinted from official uploads, it's not like them to do ARG-style totally unlinked-to things like this. A lack of OOC disclaimers isn't any indication that it's official, there are countless gimmick accounts that don't specify they're gimmicks.
Unless there's any indication from the site or SBA accounts I see no reason to assume it's official. -- Bleu Ninja 19:36, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

[edit] New Layout

For those watching, I've started reorganizing the tweet pages into separate month pages, starting with 2014 and now 2015. I wanted to get some feedback on this before proceeding further. Please note that while these first few years are "relatively sparse" on tweets, subsequent years have not been. Nevertheless, I'm planning on splitting all years by month for consistency. Hopefully this shouldn't make it too much harder to add new tweets. (The hardest thing being switching to a new page on a new month.) UPDATE: This was previously discussed here: #Splitting Pages and also covered here: Talk:@StrongBadActual Tweets 2023#Process for creating new Months.

I've already mentioned it here but this might be a good time to look into tweaking the look of the table (lines, highlights, background colors, that sort of thing).

Last, but not least, I've been prototyping a means to make linking to tweets a little bit easier. They can be seen on my post development sandbox. It's the symbols "⧉" and "🔗" on the bottom right corner of the date cells. The "🔗" is complete, and it's just a hyperlink to that entry. The "⧉" is still a work in progress and it generates {{postref}} template code for that entry. Unfortunately, the only place I can put it for now is in the tool tip, but inspecting the element allows for easy copy-paste. Ideally I'd like a pop-up that lets you copy the text but I'm not sure CSS facilitates that.

Again, I welcome feedback on all these items. Please feel free to edit the development template or its development sandbox as needed. The pages have been repurposed for that use exclusively. Thanks, --Stux 09:32, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

Considering that running gag pages frequently cite individual tweet entries, will the page move necessitate a parallel update in the post reference template? Otherwise, the links might get lost. -- 23:46, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
That's a very good question, and I've been trying to make sure this isn't as big of an issue: first, the yearly pages (such as @StrongBadActual Tweets 2015) will have to remain, and since they transclude the monthly pages, all the tweet links will still point to the correct entry. This is important because not all pages use the {{postref}} template. In fact, several tweet entries link to other tweets from the same year using the anchor link by itself.
Second, as you mentioned the {{prs}} template (used by the {{postref}} template) can be updated to link to the monthly pages instead, but this is optional given the first item.
However, I noticed an issue that remains with this new scheme: while yearly pages will be fine (e.g. "2021" tweets), if a tweet in a monthly page from December (e.g. "2021 Dec" tweets), links to a tweet in November of that year (e.g. "2021 Nov" tweets), using only the anchor (e.g. [[#999999999999|this tweet]]) then the link won't work on the monthly page. The only solution for this would be to convert these links to use the {{prs}} template. Again, this only affects monthly pages and the current yearly pages will remain unaffected. --Stux 09:18, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
UPDATE: I've gone ahead and continued splitting yearly pages into monthly pages, but I've diminished the accessibility of monthly pages and also placed a notice on monthly pages that some links may not work there. (And linked to the corresponding yearly page where they do.) One of the reasons for going forward is that I've encountered some long pages (particularly 2019 and 2018) where the diffs don't seem to render at all for me. I had long forgotten that this was also one of the reasons I started this project. This new layout will allow us to keep our yearly pages but make editing (in most cases) easier. --Stux 13:40, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
So far this seems like a good way to resolve the issues the Twitter pages seem to be having due to length. I do like the "🔗" anchor links in the sandbox. Took me a while to realize the "⧉" function is meant to help those that are editing the wiki, but it could be useful, though I'm not sure of the feasibility of something directly copy-pastable. If we end up wanting the month pages' anchors to work, the [[#999999999999|this tweet]]-style links should be easily findable at the very least, though converting all of them to {{prs}} to point to the correct month could potentially be a lot of work. DEI DAT VMdatvm center\super contra 21:13, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
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