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[edit] Is the KOT Very Own Show a reference to Butter's Own Episode on South Park

Just a comment about the thoughts I had before realizing it was a sbemail instead of a KOT short! ~OptimumCoder

I don't think it was an intentional reference, as the Brothers Chaps claim they don't watch South Park, and definitely not to that episode (the fact that it's his very own episode is a little too broad), but it is remarkable similar to the infamous Terrance and Phillip episode. They were running a 2-part episode, and rather than showing the second part of it, since the airdate fell on April Fools, they showed a completely unrelated episode. I was thinking of adding this to the references. As long as it's clear that it probably isn't intentional, I think it would fit. And complaints, before I add it? Evan
No, this thing is totally a parady of Butter's Own Episode. The opening music is nearly an exact match. --The Real Zajac 00:30, 3 May 2006 (PDT)
If someone could get a screenshot from Butters own Episode that would be helpful.
I have the episode on my compy, matter o' fact. The "Everyone Knows It's Butters!" part sounds SORTA like the KoT chime, but if the song was a little longer and described how the KoT thinks being your self is the best thing around, then MAYBE I would agree. :P I still insist that it's more like the Terrance and Phillip gag as mentioned.
EDIT: Hope it's okay, but I uploaded the song from the Butters episode. Whaddya think? I still insist that it's a little vague. Evan
It's only been 9 YEARS since this toon was released, but I figured I'd mention that the Butter's Song is a pretty obvious gag (both in tune and lyrics) to the Association song "Windy". Seems more likely that this is just a kind obvious joke to do a theme song for a minor character in a totally different mode than the main show.

[edit] Almond paste filled sweet delight

I think Strong Bad is talking about Marzipan here... you know, the real type.--Dwedit 16:23, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

From Wikipedia: "Marzipan is a confectionery consisting primarily of ground almonds and sugar that derives its characteristic flavor from bitter almonds, which constitute 4% to 6% of total almond content by weight." Sounds reasonable to me. Thunderbird 16:24, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
I like it. Trey56 17:01, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHH... I get it now. That fact was extremely poorly worded, hence my removal of it. --Jaycemberween (Ho ho ho!) 17:29, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
So, right now the FF ends with "The comment is clearly directed at the character Marzipan." What about Coach Z and Strong Sad (and the band)? The comment may be directed only at Marzipan (and this would coincide with the reference to the confection), but I don't agree that it's clear that he's only talking to Marzipan. Trey56 02:17, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
Marzipans are very gross in my opinion. Yuckaroo24.119.81.22 (talk • contribs) 22:36, 5 May 2006 (left unsigned)
Marzipan <> almond paste. Almond paste is just almonds ground with sugar and corn syrup, but isn't cooked. Marzipan is a type of candy that usually contains almond paste plus more sugar, and it's cooked until it reaches the "firm ball" stage (244 F). The cooking gives it a smoother texture, almost like fondant. But I'd still guess that the "almond paste" bit was meant as a reference to Marzipan. | Totoro 21:28, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The poopsmith speaketh!?

Did the poopsmith really just speak in this email? The voice sounds exactly like the poopsmith's in different town, but the poopsmith is shown shrugging afterwards like that wasn't his voice. I'd like to say that he didn't, but I'm not too sure about it. What are your opinions? - Wevegottapulse

I think it was him. Who else could it be? It sounded like he was about to lead the band into that "Oh Yeah" song from Ferris Bueller's Day Off. Trey56 17:00, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
Reply to Trey: Totally different "Ohhh Yeah", actually. The one in this email is higher-pitched and was pretty common to hear in this kind of music. — Image:kskunk_fstandby.gif KieferSkunk (talk) — 18:21, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
There's certainly enough suggestion there (that this was The Poopsmith). Might I also point out that this was done in the same voice as the "Hello!" in different town.
THEN AGAIN! That was in Strong Bad's imagination. Do we have proof that this scene was NOT in Strong Bad's imagination? Did this senior prom actually happen? If not, having The Poopsmith speak here might not be as unusual as it would be if this senior prom really did happen. — Image:kskunk_fstandby.gif KieferSkunk (talk) — 17:23, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
I personally think its safe to assume this email wasn't in Strong Bad's imagination. With how Strong Bad actually got The Cheat and Strong Mad to help him and all. (If it was, then we really can't trust anything that happens in H*R ever again. >.> ) - Joshua 18:17, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
Fair enough. :) Since we can't absolutely prove it was The Poopsmith who said "Ohhh yeah!", there's a Fun Fact there that ties this occurrence together with different town. I believe that should suffice. — Image:kskunk_fstandby.gif KieferSkunk (talk) — 18:21, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
Everyone thought it was him, but Mr. Smith shook his head and shrugged, as if to say, "It wasn't me! I don't know who that was!"Trelawney 19:32, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
Did the Oh Yeah remind anyone else of the Kool-Aid Man's catchphrase? Before the Poopsmith was shown I thought that was who was speaking. Don't know if it's good enough to be a Real Life reference. Crystallina 20:44, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
Now that you mention it, it does remind me of that! That would've been a perfect end to the email—the Kool-Aid Man busting through the concrete wall with his famous catchphrase; everyone staring at him agape as he sheepishly retreats a few moments later. With only the phrase though, it's probably a coincidence. Trey56 21:40, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
Yes, it makes no sense as a reference. No one crashed through a wall. And they already had a refreshing punch available. Qermaq - (T/C) Image:Qermaqsigpic.png 21:44, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
If he did that, it would then become a Family Guy reference, as I've seen that exact same scene happen on Family Guy in about a brazillian animated .gifs on LiveJournal. - Ugliness Man 18:06, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

There's no solid proof that it was the Poopsmith.

Yes, that has been pointed out. Nobody is claiming that it definitely was the Poopsmith in this case. We're acknowledging that it was "very strongly suggested", but the whole point of the joke is that we didn't see it happen. So there's still some ambiguity there. — Image:kskunk_fstandby.gif KieferSkunk (talk) — 23:36, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
It could have easily been The Knight or The Blacksmith. We've never heard them speak! – The Chort 11:49, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps the voice was ventriloquism performed by David Coppafeel. Trey56 17:52, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Even if he did speak, why really care? It's just a goofy site, and it was probably just a joke that didn't mean anything -Guest

If you don't care, then why bother to post in this thread? But take a look around the wiki. You'll see we care about a great deal of minutia. It's actually quite fascinating, once you get the hang of it. — It's dot com 06:15, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

The Poop Smith was sooo hiding it was him -im too lazy to login

I don't really see what the big deal is. The Poopsmith has the ability to speak, he just chooses not to; he's taken a vow of silence. This is probably why he tries to look like he didn't say anything. EYanyo 18:43, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Two words: Email Thunder.I rest my case — Rondleman! Stuff I did.Talk. 21:19, 15 November (UTC)

[edit] More than two prom...blems?

Current Fun Fact:

  • Marzipan's comment "...every freakin' year...." implies that she has attended the senior prom more than once. Because it is typically the final dance in high school, most people only attend the senior prom once.

I edited this from another version that said "it seems implausible that she would have attended it more than once". I beg to differ: There are a few reasons why she could have. (1) She could have gotten held back and repeated the third grade her senior year multiple times. (2) She could have gone with Homestar in previous years (and he'd probably be more likely to get held back). And (3) She could have served some other purpose in previous years.

My point is, I don't think we have enough to go on to say why she'd be at the prom multiple years. But a lot of cartoons and comics run on the implication that the characters never age, and they repeat the same years of their lives each year (a 365-day version of Groundhog Day, or something). That seems plausible in the HR Universe as well. Thus, I think the Fun Fact should kinda gloss over the "implausibilities" and relate Marzipan's comment to the way it is in real life.

And for the block, do you agree?Image:kskunk_fstandby.gif KieferSkunk (talk) — 17:55, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

I agree. Also, Marzipan could have simply heard that pantless-Strong Bad won Prom Queen multiple years in a row or whatever happened. --Jaycemberween (Ho ho ho!) 17:57, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

It makes more sense to me that they just all go to a senior prom every year. 18:03, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Doesn't Marzipan's initial " as always, we're the only couple at the prom" comment lend further credence to the whole multiple prom hypothesis? 00:20, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

The thing is some schools let any students go to the prom. --The Real Zajac 00:33, 3 May 2006 (PDT)

Another possibility is that, like in many cartoons, none of the characters age. This would allow for a senior prom every year. Also note that in many of the same cartoons (or comic strips), they can have "flashbacks" to x number of years ago, despite the fact that in reality they were the same age in that year as they are now. Point7Q 03:27, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Everybody everybody! Longest pants!

I would suggest that there definitely needs to be a reference regarding the ongoing pants/no-pants debate regarding Coach Z and Homestar. This seems to put the nail in the coffin that there are, in fact, no pants going on with either of them. Although (he realizes) it could also be argued that Coach Z wears a body suit, which doesn't technically have any stand-alone pants, which still leaves the door open for his "green-body/green body suit" ambiguity. (PS: Stand Alone Pants would be a great name for a rock band.)

There's a reference to Homestar's Pants already on the page. That's where the debate is most fully explained. — Image:kskunk_fstandby.gif KieferSkunk (talk) — 18:42, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
Whether or not this is proof Homestar doesn't wear pants should be put up for a vote me thinks. The obvious argument for would be the fact that his pants didn't poof away at all and his discussion with pompom during the easteregg seemed to imply he was covering. The arguments against could be that Strong Bads remote malfunctioned, or perhaps Homestar wears pants that look exactly like his legs!
I like the "Maybe Homestar's pants look exactly like his legs" line of thinking. Another thought on Coach Z: how can one reliably say that he "puked his pants" and then have no pants disappear? On a personal note, two years ago, before finding this site, I never thought I would be this concerned about the existence of a cartoon character's pants.
For general Pants, see Pants. (Would General Pants be a good name for a Cheat Commando?) — Image:kskunk_fstandby.gif KieferSkunk (talk) — 22:18, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
Better than "Firebert."
Well, the fact that we didn't hear a poof or see a poof is enough evedince for me that Homestar is pantsless and not a long pants man.
Right, it seems like Homestar is the only one around who seems convinced that he wears pants. Coach Z is still a bit of an issue, in my mind. As far as the Pants page is concerned, that's less an informational resource on the evidence for and against the various characters' pantsitudinal condition and more of a link to all the cartoons where someone simply mentions the word "pants." Since this is such a long-standing gag, it would be nice to see it expanded.
Every time recently that Homestar's pants have been mentioned, TBC present both sides, first suggesting one thing and then the other. (The same is true for Homestar's arms.) It is intentionally ambiguous. I wouldn't be surprised if TBC didn't even know the true nature of things. He's drawn that way just because it looks right to them. Trying to assert that he actually does or doesn't have pants (or, sheesh, voting here on the matter) would be futile. — It's dot com 23:47, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
Of course it's intentionally ambiguous. That's not in dispute. The location of Springfield on The Simpsons is intentionally ambiguous as well, not meant to have an actual answer, but it's still entertaining to look at a single body of evidence regarding all the clues to its location. Considering all the "pants/no pants" and even "arms/no arms" clues TBC have sprinkled throughout the life of this gag, am I the only one that would find it an entertaining resource to have all the data in one place?
That's why we have articles like Homestar's Pants and Pants. :) — Image:kskunk_fstandby.gif KieferSkunk (talk) — 00:35, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
more pants!!!! csours 06:38, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thank Goodness!

I'ma just glad Strong Bad wore undawears this day. Thank you, thank you. Back to where I was! Homfrog 18:30, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Yeah. I actually didn't realise that Strong Bad was the only one in the group that wears pants until now. Maybe Bubs too, but he wasn't in the shot. I can't imagine how Bubs would look pantsless.--DumDe 18:39, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

There's something I'd prefer not to think about... --Jaycemberween (Ho ho ho!) 18:41, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
i blame this problem quite squarely on tight pants. yep, tight pants. csours 06:45, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
{shudders at the thought of Pantless Strong Bad or Pantless Bubs. They're not exactly Ms. America, are they?}The Chort 11:52, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hey, ummm, everybody?

This wasn't really the senior prom. It all happens in the present, and evrybody was probably preforming for Strong Bad's little idea thing.

See Joshua's comment above, about whether it was in SB's imagination or not. If it wasn't a canonical occurence, then we really can't trust anything that happens on H* again. — Image:kskunk_fstandby.gif KieferSkunk (talk) — 19:17, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
Further more, why would everyone play this out for Strong Bad. Obviously, Marzipan wouldn't do anything for Strong Bad
She played Cutesy Buttons. Evan
Obviously they're playing their roles in 'Strong Bads Quite popular cartoon show' which is why he threw together that over-the-top opening scene with the "answering machine"
My two theories:
1. This is their SENIOR year and they did a large amount of growing up from whenever highschool took place.
2. The highschool e-mail was the fake thing (as said, doodle memory) and this is real. High School Strong Bad WAS in another universe, although so were Old-Timey, Stinkoman and Storybook Strong Bad, who we know take place in different parts of time. Evan

[edit] All the Kingsmen

I know the band's name All the King's Men is more than likely a reference to the nursery rhyme Humpty Dumpty (which remarkably isn't in RWR). But it could also be a reference to the rock band "The Kingsmen", famous for their cover of "Louie Louie". Swimma Dan 20:00, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

It sounds plausible to me - sort of like Before and After Puzzles on Wheel of Fortune. It would fit the situation, since that seems to be the cover band type. Do I detect a double meaning? Image:SBsig.gifSBLOUNSKCHED! t/c 20:22, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Delilelia, you got me on my knees

What is up with the "Delilelia" easter egg? -Johnny Baby 20:58, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Since we missed the beginning of the email, that part's recapping what we missed. So we still have an email song and all that. Image:SBsig.gifSBLOUNSKCHED! t/c 21:07, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
About that, is this the first SBEMAIL to feature the email song at the end??? Raptor5ix-Image:Raptor5ixsiggy.png 11:29, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
I think so, but only because it was the first time we missed the song at the start. And it's not the first time that the song has been sung somewhere other than the very start. --phlip TC 11:36, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Jumping the Shark

Anyone else think that the way SB pronounced "Copperfield" was...ahem...risque? Alex H.

That was Marzipan, and someone says that every single frikking time someone in the 'toons mentions something even remotely sexual. People said the same thing when Strong Bad mentioned naked women in secret identity, for instance. And it's no worse than somebody a-gwabbin' Homestar's butt. --Jaycemberween (Ho ho ho!) 22:44, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
I'd like to see "Jumping the Shark" make its permanent home on the forums, personally. — Image:kskunk_fstandby.gif KieferSkunk (talk) — 22:51, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
I'd be willing to make a complainery type topic about this, if someone else would help find all the refs (Commandos in the Classroom comes to mind, but I dunno what else). --DorianGray

How could anyone be offended by the way Copperfield is pronounced?

1. You just resurrected a discussion from about a year ago.
2. The way "Copperfield" is pronounced made it sound like "Cop a feel." Which means, in essence "Making a grab for someone's privates." Get it now? --TotalSpaceshipGirl3 21:15, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Astro-Sad

Would this be an inside refrence that Strong Sad was dressed as an astronaut in the sketch book?

No, he was dressed as an astronaut because that was the prom theme. Everybody else was either too cool or too stupid to dress up though. Thunderbird 23:03, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
I do think it's significant that Strong Sadonaut appeared in the Sketchbook prior to this cartoon, though. — Image:kskunk_fstandby.gif KieferSkunk (talk) — 23:14, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Boxers or Briefs

The fun fact about SB saying he never wears underwear could still be true...some people consider "underwear" to mean briefs, but boxers as something else.

He wore briefs in nightlife

[edit] Little Robot On Mars

Is that a refference to the "explorer" or whatever the heck that Mars Rover is called? You know the one we sent to mars to take pictures of the surface and its all the time getting stuck on rocks and crap?

We're one step ahead of you: check Real-World References on the main page. --Jaycemberween (Ho ho ho!) 06:21, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] David Copperfield

It seems more likely that the reference to David Copperfield is from the very famous book by Dickens than the illusionist. Certainly, the latter probably takes his name from the former (though it could be a coincidence) so unless there is a specific reason why it would be the illusionist over the book, it seems like the reference should be cataloged as being to the book and not the person (or, at least, both the book and the person). --Sailor titan 06:35, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

While I agree that the book is more famous than the illusionist, I'd imagine it would be hard for Strong Bad to take Delilelia to see David Copperfield the novel perform. David Copperfield the illusionist is more of a performer. -- Tom 06:43, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
Brilliantly said!

[edit] Old Folks Cafeteria

Could the "All You Can Eat Old Folks' Cafeteria" refer to Hometown Buffet or some similar establishment? — Bassbone (TALK Strong Mad Has a Posse CONT) 08:38, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Clearly it does - so clearly, in fact, that it's the joke and needs no comment. Qermaq - (T/C) Image:Qermaqsigpic.png 09:25, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
Apparently not as clearly as you think--because I have no idea what you're talking about ^^;;; what is the "Hometown Buffet"? Mayhaps this is some kind of regional custom/establishment that we don't have here in the northeast? --Sailor titan 16:12, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
Granny's Buffet is a more national chain, or Old Country Buffet, but the poin is that anyone can tell the kind of place he means, and that's the joke. Trelawney 20:35, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] KOT's Cartoon Show

Was anyone else disappointed when the KOTs cartoon show was interrupted for the Strong Bad e-mail? I was like "Hey a KOT cartoon? YES! There hasn't been one since 'The King of Town DVD'" Then I was like "awwwwe man!" when it was interrupted. I had high hopes, I always like to see the so-called reject characters (KOT, Strong Sad, Homsar) get together once in awhile. Though don't get me wrong I had worries E-mail #150 would be the last. Worries which were finally put to rest. Thank god.

I was as well. Personally, I think the KOT is always consistently funny -- "Butter-da" and "stuffinged ham" still cracks me up -- and I went through the same emotional cycle as thee. "Cool! Aww..." And since I didn't think this was a particularly strong SBemail, it made for a double dose of disappointment. It's a shame the KOT keeps getting dumped on as being unpopular. He's got a hell of a lot more humor potential than the Poopsmith.
I was a bit disappointed at first, but the fun of a good Marzipan appearance made up for it. She's been absent-ish lately, but today she got a major role and a neat new hairstyle! :)
YES! I'll get that announcer that intteruppted it if it's the last thing I doooooooooooo!!!!

[edit] Back to the Future?

This whole Prom remindeth moi of the "Enchantment Under the Sea" Theme of the dance from the Back to the Future series and All the King's Men's suits are reminiscent of Marvin Berry and the Starlighters'. Elvis 15:36, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Apparently, someone else thought the same thing, as that's already in the article. --Jaycemberween (Ho ho ho!) 15:49, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
Dang! you beat me to it Elvis. It's kind of nice seeeing something.... Back to the Future related, seems its my favorite movie..... hmmmmm.....Jibblejibblejibble

[edit] Who is David Coppafeel?

I wonder who was responsible for violating Marzipan. I'm guessing Strong Mad, for the following reasons: (1) he was standing next to Marzipan with his hands up when the lights came back on, (2) he has been known to violate Marzipan in the past (though this was later fixed by TBC), and (3) he's stupid/clumsy enough that it could have been an accident. Trey56 17:53, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Just in case it's Homestar, it has been noted on Lack of Visible Arms (with some wording that indicates it might not be notable). — It's dot com 21:16, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
Aw, come ON! You know that that was a glitch and Now I'm'a gonna a-go gets a-a peanut-a-butter-a-sandwhitch. -Alex H. — (Talk | contribs) 12:12, 24 May 2006 (left unsigned)

[edit] Mars rover

Someone deleted my STUFF'D Mars Rover entry?? Why? I thought i used all the templates right! (im ccool2ax, cant login right now)

There's already a fact about the Mars rover in the real-world references section. That's why the STUFF was deleted. — It's dot com 21:06, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
It's required by law that you log in before STUFFing anyway. Well, maybe not law, but our own standards, anyway. --Jaycemberween (Ho ho ho!) 21:07, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
Of course, that rule doesn't have much bearing here, since he was logged in at the time. — It's dot com 21:20, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
Oh. Well, in that case... never mind. Pay no attention to the man behind the keyboard. These are not the sysops you seek. Uh... yeah. --Jaycemberween (Ho ho ho!) 21:22, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
Also, there's really not much else this "robot on Mars" could refer to, considering Spirit and Opportunity are the only ones up there... or at least, the only ones getting any press coverage. — Image:kskunk_fstandby.gif KieferSkunk (talk) — 21:23, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, but you forgot Soverjouiner! It's on Mars too!

[edit] Coppin' a feel?

Is it possible that someone "a-Grabbin' mah butt" as homestar aptly put it, or "David Coppafeel" as marzipan put it a recurring joke of some kind? They both happened after the lights go out in an unexplicable manner, and, to my knowledge, these are the only two instances of blackouts Throughout the site. Anyone else think this? Alcnolien Has Spoken! 21:36, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

See Talk:Running Gags → Coppin' a feel?

[edit] Walrus Association

An inside reference claiming that the Walrus Association Easter egg is a reference to the Certified Arborist Easter egg from other days was removed, on the grounds that "a repeated joke does not equal a reference" (paraphrase). However, I have compiled a list of reasons that lead me to believe that it is a reference, and a pretty clear reference at that. Athough I admit some of these are glaringly obvious, I feel I have the need to point them out.

  • They are both Easter eggs (told you some of these were obvious)
  • They are both business cards
  • They are both jokes formed from the emailer's state abbreviation
  • They are both accesed by clicking on the state abbreviation
  • They both have a pair of images on the sides of the card
  • They both have a 555 phone number followed by a 4-letter abbreviation pertaining to the business (TUSQ and XYLM)
  • They both list a mobile phone number as "coming soon" (or, in the Walrus card, "gimme about a week or so").
  • They both have a quote/motto at the bottom pertaining to the business

and here's the giveaway...

  • They both use the same font.

Also, I have searched the wiki and found no other business card formatted in this manner.

Has Matt? (talk) 02:00, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Agreed, this is more than a repeat appearance... I think make it a inside reference, and if it happens a third time make it a running gag (like the Beverly Sportsinterviews books). --phlip TC 02:06, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
Well... next time, say what you mean. The only thing I hate more than vagueness is... some other thing. --Jaycemberween (Ho ho ho!) 18:19, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
i hate that... csours 06:59, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Summary/Relevance

Really, folks. The KOT's show is so minor to the plot (and such a delightful surprise) that including it in the summary of this 4:00+ email is kinda idiotic, IMO. If we're summarizing The Princess Bride in a sentence or two, Peter Falk and Fred Savage wouldn't get a mention. Same should go here. Rather than add it back in, please present an argument for its inclusion. Qermaq - (T/C) Image:Qermaqsigpic.png 09:11, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Because many users were led to believe it was what the toon was about. For The Brothers Chaps to go so far as to change the URL and main page message, it's a pretty big part of the email and makes it unique. - Joshua 12:53, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
Agreed. It was a huge gag. I don't think anyone who went into that toon blind would have thought that a SBemail was on the way. Just because in retrospect it seems weirdly random doesn't mean that it wasn't important at that time. And come on, Fred Savage constantly interrupting Peter Falk's reading of the book? That was a pretty funny part of the story. "She doesn't get eaten by the eels at this time..."
Also agreed. I'ma put it back. Again. There's just something that strikes me as very funny about the strikethrough (on the wiki) and the way it picks up with Strong Bad in mid-sentence (on the official site). — It's dot com 18:50, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
NO PETER FALK!!!!! wt* csours 06:31, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
Wait. I agree that was a great part of the story. My point was that if you're encapsulating it in a sentence or two, that's a detail you're likely not to mention in favor of the story of the characters in the tale. Qermaq - (T/C) Image:Qermaqsigpic.png 14:12, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
I don't think striking out a sentence makes the article unprofessional at all. On the contrary, I think it perfectly highlights the abrupt change in the course of the toon, and it recognizes the unique nature of how the email was promoted; namely, TBC announced it as a KoT toon, so we should incorporate that into the description at the top. The strikethrough is just a nice, humerous touch. — It's dot com 23:12, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
Cool. Although I deleted the struckthrough part without having read this discussion, with an edit summary to which It's dot com's referring about it looking funny, I don't particularly feel strongly about it. And like I said, it's clever. —AbdiViklas 23:43, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] This is not... America... (no!)

  • In the United States, a senior prom is a formal dance held at the end of the final year of high school.

I'm Canadian, and our senior proms are pretty much the same thing. Not every region uses the term "senior", but the "prom" thing is universal in every province. I won't edit until we get more information, since "In the United States and Canada" seems too bulky, but "In North America" might not be accurate since I don't know if Mexican schools do the same thing. Perhaps a bit more research is called for. - Ugliness Man 18:44, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

I don't know where in Canada you're from, Ugliness Man, but I've never heard anyone use the word "prom" (except as an affectation). "Grad" is the much more common Canadian term, at least in my opinion. ModestlyHotGirl 19:48, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

I've lived in Ontario and Prince Edward Island. I've only known "grad" in that context to refer to some non-formal or semi-formal end-of-year event, usually the night of the graduation ceremony, or less than a week beforehand, and is also sometimes called "safe grad" because it is a supervised event where drugs and alcohol are strictly forbidden. On the other hand, the "prom" usually happens at least a month before grad. In fact, I've never been to a high school that didn't have a prom. Obviously it's a matter of different people having different experiences, but the point still stands that the prom is not a USA-only occurance by any stretch, considering I've been to 3 proms (and 5 Christmas proms) and I've lived in Canada my whole life. - Ugliness Man 21:44, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
From your experience, are Canadian proms typically intended for seniors, or for all classes? Trey56 21:50, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
The "regular" prom is open only to the graduates and their guests (in other words, any graduate going out with someone not graduating that year is allowed to bring them). I suppose this would make the term "senior prom" redundant. Then again, we rarely use the term "senior" anyway, students are referred to by what grade they're in. It's apocryphal, but just for the sake of full disclosure, the Christmas prom is open to all students. - Ugliness Man 21:53, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
From Wikipedia's article on proms:
In the United States, a prom, short for promenade, is a formal dance held at the end of the years of high school and college, called junior prom and senior prom respectively. In British English such an event would be called a ball, although in Canada, Australia and New Zealand it is also often called a formal.
(Emphasis added) Please know that I am not from Canada, so I do not have firsthand knowledge about this.
Has Matt? (talk) 21:19, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
That's rather odd... I've lived in 2 Canadian provinces and my ex-wife has lived in 4, and neither of us have heard the term "formal" used like in that context. Every such dance has been called a "prom" or "senior prom" (and in some places there's a Christmas prom, but that's another story). I think when I'm more awake I'll take a nip over to the Wikipedia article and see what their source is for that information. - Ugliness Man 21:38, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
I'm sure that there are other countries in the world that have senior proms, but I think the fact can stay written as it is. The current wording does not preclude the existence of senior proms in other countries; also, both TBC and Free Country are in the USA. Trey56 21:41, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
I disagree. Leaving it stated as it is suggests that the prom is a USA-only event. I feel that it should either be changed to include countries other than the USA, or changed to remove the reference to any specific country. - Ugliness Man 21:44, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
How's 'bout:
  • A senior prom is a formal dance held at the end of the final year of high school, chiefly in the United States.
Though we had a junior prom, but that's irrelevent. Qermaq - (T/C) Image:Qermaqsigpic.png 14:17, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
That's a fair compromise to me. Trey56 14:33, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Koo koo ka-choo" (Bless You)

The phrase "Koo koo ka-choo" is also from Simon and Garfunkel's "Mrs. Robinson".

That's nice. However, the "Goo goo ga-joob" reference in "I Am the Walrus" is more relevant to a Walrus Association, is it not? --Jaycemberween (Ho ho ho!) 21:09, 5 May 2006 (UTC) Yup, Simon and Garfunkel took it from the Beatles. A few other people have too, if I remember correctly. -- Tom 21:12, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
True. They were both 1967 songs, so I'm not sure which was written first (I'm inclined to guess that the S&G song is actually referring to "I am the Walrus", since it features other pop culture references. Also, this was a time of great "inspiration" for The BeatLeS D). At any rate, the Walrus Association definitely ties it to The Beatles' song. Trey56 21:17, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
just wondering, do either of these actually have any connection to reality? csours 06:33, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
"I am the Walrus" intentionally has no meaning:
Lennon received a letter from a pupil of Quarry Bank Grammar School, which he had attended as a child. The writer mentioned that their English master was making his class analyze Beatles' song lyrics. (John wrote an answer to the letter, dated September 1, 1967, which was auctioned by Christie's of London in 1992).
Lennon, amused that a teacher was putting that much effort into understanding Beatles lyrics, decided to write the most confusing, unusual lyric he could.
Upon finishing the lyrics, Lennon remarked to Shotton, "Let [them] work that one out."
"Mrs Robinson" has much more to do with reality, as several lines relate to the movie "The Graduate", in which the song debuted. Trey56 14:31, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
Yes, but this line still is meaningless there. Qermaq - (T/C) Image:Qermaqsigpic.png 14:40, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
That's right—its meaning is simply to refer to The Beatles' song. Trey56 15:59, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] still saving the last one...

i would just like to say that i am personally gratefull that we are still saving the last email for strongbad. that wait was somewhat scary. csours 06:48, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] nebulon style reference.

this aint enough to make it to the arcticle style page, but nebulon and style are mentioned in this email. csours 06:51, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Caption

Can we stop the edit war and discuss captions here? Thanks so much. Qermaq - (T/C) Image:Qermaqsigpic.png 19:26, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Yes, please, let's do so. Now, the person who has been removing the quote has argued that it shouldn't be there because Marzipan, who says the quote, is not in the picture. I don't find this argument convincing. I don't think a quote has to line up exactly with the image as long as its connection with the image is clear. And here, I think the connection is indeed clear: what happens in the image is what happens every year. Heimstern Läufer 19:50, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
Well, Mr. Läufer, it DOESN'T happen every year, because some schools (my alma mater included) don't have prom kings and queens. The connection with the image wasn't clear, IMO, at all. Therefore, it didn't fit. (And I didn't find your grammar police edits to be convincing enough, yet you made them anyway, although a lot of them were unnecessary.) --ISlayedTheKerrek 15:20, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
All right, ISlayedTheKerrek, this is not the place for you to be discussing your grievances with my editing. Concerning the issue at hand: I still think the connection between image and caption is in fact clear enough, and, as two people have reverted to this caption, I suggest that it should stay this way. Unless others object, I would say that consensus favors the "Every freakin' year" caption. Heimstern Läufer 15:55, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Peep: worth a fun fact?

I noticed the inclusion of "summat" as a real-world reference, which made me wonder if including a similar item for the rap term peep was worth one as well, esp. since TBC use a lot of hip-hop lingo. Is it too widely known? | Totoro 19:26, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Spelling of imaginary girlfriend

"* In this email, Strong Bad's imaginary girlfriend's name is spelled "Delilelia". However, in the following Quote of the Week, it was spelled "Delelilia"."

Uhh, isn't the QotW an outtake? Danny Lilithborne 06:17, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

  • I STUFF'd it, since I got no response here. <homestarrunner> Boo. </homestarrunner> :( Danny Lilithborne 02:58, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Promstar Talker

The part about Pom-Pom and Strong Bad getting voted Prom King and Queen reminds me of the Homestar Talker -- "Pom-Pom and Strong Bad are totally going out"

Although they never specifically say what they're going out to do. Maybe they're just going to the 7-11 for a quart of milk...? --DorianGray

[edit] What! No Undawares!

Is it just me or does the comment about strong bad saying that he doesn't wear underwear useless? I mean, if I were to make everyone's pants (including my own) disappear, I would definately wear something underneath. It's just common sense... Raptor5ix-Image:Raptor5ixsiggy.png 22:02, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Strong Bad obviously didn't think this thing through very well. He was going to mass-pants everyone, but presumably anyone wanting to do such a thing (and who has half a brain) would either make it so their own pants weren't affected, or he wouldn't wear pants in the first place. But Strong Bad isn't known to think very far ahead when it comes to practical jokes and pranks, and obviously his mass-pantsing backfired in a way he didn't expect. — Image:kskunk_fstandby.gif KieferSkunk (talk) — 23:08, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Oh yeah!

That low-pitched "Oh yeah!" that the Poopsmith shouts sort of reminds me of that stupid Yello song of the same name. It's associated with a high school movie (Ferris Bueller's Day Off) so it would sort of fit with the e-mail's prom theme. Do you think it might count as a real world reference?Old Timey Me 23:56, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Nope. Yello's "Oh Yeah!" is very different in pitch, and the style of the "Oh yeah!" in this toon is very common to the kind of music they used here. The band seems to be much more a reference to Back to the Future than Ferris Bueller, and there is already a ref up to BTTF. — Image:kskunk_fstandby.gif KieferSkunk (talk) — 00:10, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Koo koo ka choo... but not

I Am the Walrus by the Beatles clearly says "Goo goo ga joob." "Koo koo ka choo" is from Mrs. Robinson by Simon and Garfunkel, released a month later (coincidence? Not likely). So that's why it says "or summat." By the way, the only other place I've ever heard the word "summat" is when Hagrid from Harry Potter says it. Is it a British slang word? If so, that's probably a reference to The Beatles. Did it possibly originate in Liverpool? If so, that's an unmistakable allusion. Uh...Cwapface 03:39, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure it's a British slang word. I see it pretty often. SaltyTalk! 04:13, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
First of all, the phrases "goo goo ga joob" and "koo koo ka choo" are both total nonsense. Since neither of them contain any actual words, the debate of which one of the two was "actually" said in the Beatles song is almost a moot point, unless someone can provide a scan of the lyrics sheet of a Beatles' album liner notes, or some other reliable source (99% of all lyrics websites on the 'net are user generated and not reliable soures). Also keep in mind that the song is mixed oddly, and there's an intentional distortion to it that sort of mimmicks poor sound quality. As such, sublte differences between k's and g's can easily be lost.
Second, even if there's some definitive way to "prove" which nonsense phrase was said in the Beatles song, I don't think it qualifies as a mondegreen. A real mondegreen is when words are mis-heard as other words, such as cross I bear/cross-eyed bear from "You Oughta Know". In other words, the meaning is changed, usually resulting in humorous misunderstandings. The difference between "goo" and "koo" in this context is irrelevant, since they both mean the same thing (nothing). It's like if two different people transcribed Ella Fitzgerald scatting from an old 78, and then they debated over wether then 14th syllable was "tweeeee" or "dreeeee".
I'll leave it to someone else to edit, since I'm not always good at rephrasing stuff, but I hope that someone can resolve this one way or the other. - Ugliness Man 19:37, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Very UNpopular cartoon show

The quick voiceover sounds like "The King of Town's Very Unpopular Cartoon Show will not be seen this week" rather than "The King of Town's Very Own Popular Cartoon Show will not be seen this week". Of course because it is so fast one could easily get it wrong. --Xifihas:

Well, we say it's "own", since that matches the text that appears. --DorianGray
Yes but the KOT is a very UNpopular character. --Xifihas:
I think this is intentionally ambiguous so that people can draw their own conclusions. :) — Image:kskunk_fstandby.gif KieferSkunk (talk) — 20:36, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Where Plan?

Strong Bad never told us where he'll poof the pants to? You can guess!

I'm wondering if the pants poofing is a reference to 80's teen movies like Screwballs where a group of nerds crash a prom to use a clothes removal device on the prom queen and anyone else in the vicinity.

[edit] Closed STUFF

[edit] Coppafeel?

Marzipan's admonition to "watch those hands, David Coppafeel" is a reference to "copping a feel", which means to "surreptitiously fondle someone in a sexual manner".

Posted on: 02:17, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
Closed: 20:25, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

VERDICT: This item was overwhelmingly declined, 21–8. The votes and arguments have been moved to HRWiki:STUFF/Archive/senior prom.

[edit] Strong Bad and Delilah

In this email, Strong Bad's imaginary girlfriend's name is spelled "Delilelia". However, in the following Quote of the Week, it was spelled "Delelilia".

Posted on: 02:57, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
Closed: 23:29, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

VERDICT: This item was overwhemingly accepted, 18–3. The votes and arguments have been moved to HRWiki:STUFF/Archive/senior prom.

[edit] It might be a common phrase, see?

Strong Bad's remark, "It's a mass pantsing, see?" is an example of stereotypical "mobster speech", which was popularized by Edward G. Robinson in the movie Little Caesar.

Posted on: 21:47, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
Closed: 23:29, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

VERDICT: This item was revised and then overwhelmingly accepted, 15–1. The votes and arguments have been moved to HRWiki:STUFF/Archive/senior prom.

[edit] Are you guys having a killer time?

"Strong Sad and Deborah" may be a reference to Napoleon Dynamite, in which Deborah is a main character who goes to a dance.

Posted on: 02:59, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
Closed: 02:01, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

VERDICT: This item was overwhelmingly declined, 20–1. The votes and arguments have been moved to HRWiki:STUFF/Archive/senior prom.

[edit] Save the last dance for me... again

Marzipan's comment "...every freakin' year...." implies that she has attended the senior prom more than once. Because it is typically the final dance in high school, most people only attend the senior prom once.

Posted on: 18:36, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
Closed: 02:01, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

VERDICT: This item was overwhelmingly declined, 24–7. The votes and arguments have been moved to HRWiki:STUFF/Archive/senior prom.

[edit] Will and Grace and John and Lyle

This fact was added to the page:

The phrase "David Coppafeel" was used in an episode of Will and Grace guest starring John Cleese as Lyle Finster. The line was said by Karen Walker (Megan Mullally).

So I did a little search and found out that John Cleese played as Lyle in several episodes, all of them in 2003-04. The toon was released in 2006. A reference or coincidence? Elcool (talk)(contribs) 06:30, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Well, after a bit more research i also found the episode: The Accidental Tsuris. The line is spoken just at the beggining of the episode, and as far as I can tell there's no proms and blackouts involved. Elcool (talk)(contribs) 08:37, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Listerine

I'm not sure if this should go within the email's transcript, or under a different heading, but I thought I'd point out that the reason Homestar bends over and kicks his foot backwards (and has his cheeks puffed out) during Strong Bad's acceptance speech is because he still has the Listerine in his mouth, and his mouth is going all tingley. I noticed that the transcript just mentions the bending and kicking. Is the joke obvious enough that it doesn't need to be included here, or does anyone think it should be added? Shanked battleship 18:52, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fact Removal

Removed "Coach Z's tie bending upwards in the scene where he spikes the punch is a reference to Dilbert, the main character of a popular comic strip by Scott Adams. His tie always curved upwards in the same fashion", because Coach Z's false shirt-front is not a tie, nor is its rigidity a Dilbert reference. --Proxtown 01:27, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The redirects

In my opinion, the redirects for The King of Town's Very Own Quite Popular Cartoon Show, The King of Town's Very Own Popular Cartoon Show, The King of Town's Very Own Popular Cartoon, and The King Of Town's Very Own Quite Popular Cartoon Show are better suited to KOT's VOQPCS! so I have taked the liberty of changing them. DeFender1031 19:45, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Email Song Easter Egg = 2 Many Knives?

Has anyone else noticed that the rhythm of Strong Bad's 'e-mail styles' song is very similar to the "Kids don't play wit 2 many knives" line in 'A very important rap song'? I'm not a member, so I don't know how to edit for all the tags and such. Sorry. 10:57, 3 May 2007 (UTC) Shard

[edit] Bubs?

Ummm... Doesn't Bubs wear pants? He has the different color area near his legs... — (Talk | contribs) 20:56, 16 July 2008 (left unsigned)

Bubs wasn't there.  Green Helmet 02:19, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
But he says, "I'm the only one who wears any pants..." -- 02:17, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
So what? He meant of those there. — Defender1031*Talk 02:19, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Also, Strong Sad wears pants, and he was there. He talks to Coach Z. -- 20:04, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

They were under his space suit. further, the case can be made that everyone just has bottom sections on colors (similar to the question of homestar's pants) the only one whose pants are crealy defined as pants is SB. — Defender1031*Talk 20:10, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

And what about the Poopsmith? He's got pants. -- 15:34, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

No, they don't. Strong Sad and The Poopsmith don't wear pants. The Poopsmith's got an orange oval for a body and two thin blue legs. No pants, no trousers, no knickers. In Strong Sad's Lament, he types "I kinda don't wear clothes" (with possibly the exception of The Blue Ones). – The Chort 16:12, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

[edit] "Chaperone" spelling

I am a bit mystified by the commented assertion that "chaperon" is the male form, please don't change it to "chaperone". As far as I am aware, the English word "chaperone" is gender-neutral and the preferred spelling:

  • I was school-aged at the time this sbemail came out, and frequently encountered the word "chaperone" on permission slips and other written things relating to school events. In every case it was spelled "chaperone" and there was never an implication that it only referred to women (or that men would be "chaperons"). This has been noted elsewhere on the wiki.
  • Linguistic consensus seems to be that "chaperone" is the standard spelling and "chaperon" is merely a variant spelling. Wikipedia, Merriam-Webster, and Brittanica redirect "chaperon" to "chaperone" and denote the version without an -e as a variant; has entries for both but "chaperone" is a more substantial entry; and Wiktionary has entries for both.
    • In none of these five references is there any indication that "chaperon" is male and "chaperone" is female. It is remarked that a "chaperone" was traditionally a role occupied by women, but the word itself is not gendered (similar to how a medical "nurse" is not necessarily a woman).
  • I did come across some research that suggested "chaperon" is favoured in British English while American English favors "chaperone".
    • Again there is no indication that "chaperon is male, chaperone is female." One submission compares "chaperone" to "morale" (from the French "moral"), where an "-e" is appended but it's not a feminine word.
    • The wiki comment was added by an Australian user, which may account for the preference for "chaperon". However the H*R body of work is American and therefore American English should be preferred for articles.

Clearly "chaperone" should be the spelling used to transcribe this toon. -- Bleu Ninja 21:11, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

Except Strong Sad does not use the English word "chaperone". He uses the French word "chaperon". French accent, French pronunciation. --Jaycemberween (Ho ho ho!) 08:24, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
I don't agree that he's not speaking English, rather that he's over-pronouncing a loanword (e.g. Pretentious Pronunciation) that originated from French. "I'm gonna go buy some anime" is overpronouncing a Japanese loanword but I wouldn't say that sentence is "speaking Japanese"; comparatively "the concession stand is just some booster club okasan" is speaking Japanese (or "¿Conoces a Miguel?" is Spanish, to use a more obvious example) because the word is not recognizable in English. -- Bleu Ninja 19:05, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
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