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Links to toons/pages

This has been refactored. There was some discussion about whether "External Links" should go at the top or bottom of the page. A few people liked having them at the top for easy access to H*R.com, but it was eventually decided that they should go at the bottom, following Wikipedia's example.

Screenshots

This has been refactored. It would be nice if we could figure out how to make the screenshots on toon/email pages into thumbnails. This would get them out of the way so that content isn't pushed too far down the page. We need (read: Joey needs) to talk to our host about getting Image::Magick installed on the server before that will be possible.

Upload file

This has been refactored. There is some concern that some members of our community (or outsiders for that matter) will upload unnecessary or innappropriate images. It was decided that they could link to them just as easily as they could download them, and it's better for the images to be hosted here than free sites that may be unstable. Bandwidth is not really an issue, though it probably would spike if we allowed uploads (and consequently a lot of image downloads) from our server. There are a number of special pages we can use to monitor uploads so they will not get out of hand: Special:Imagelist, Special:Unusedimages.

Is there any way to make GIF an allowed format? I don't like GIF any more than the next guy, but it's useful sometimes. For example, the 'tear' icon from Strong Sad's Lament is an animated GIF, and I'd like to upload it for posterity (since the Lydia one fell off the face of the Earth).

We can't upload GIFs? I had no idea. I'll look into it. --JoeyDay 08:54, 26 Aug 2004 (MST)

Sorry this took me so long, but I've checked into it and it seems to me like we can upload GIFs just fine. —JoeyDay (Talk) 16:50, 30 Nov 2004 (MST)

Adding the rest of the stuff

Okay, I did a few tweaks on AgentSeethroo's addition. We have to figure out a few things:

How to list the Characters on the Characters page. I know the few characters we have setup now were done with categories. I don't know how we are going to get them all (secondary etc.) on one page.
I indented the 3 Features. They are under Toons, but I know they deserve a spot on the Main Menu... any other suggestions on how to do that?
Rejects/Everything Else - what to call the page. Or even if we need that page. Should we just list everything on the Characters page under several headings? And we have to figure out what the categories are going to be.

Ideas everyone? -- Tom 09:10, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

Okay...

I'm not a huge fan of the Character page on the old wiki, but we may have to do something similar due to the amount of character "aliases" or whatever...I'll have to think about that for a little bit.
I think the indention is okay, but it's the only thing on the page that's indented. It makes it look kinda wierd. I also thought the Features link was gonna get ditched from the main page? Maybe I got lost sometime...
This is gonna take some discussion I think. I think it should go byebye, and if anyone makes ANY pages that could be deemed NOT canon or not very important, like ANYTHING in rejects, it goes under the category of Misc. -- AgentSeethroo 09:55, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

Yeah, we need to get Joey in on this discussion. I know he had some great ideas that seem to escape me at the moment. And you are right about the indent. But maybe we could have other indents?

Some of these pages are pretty big. I know that games page might work as two pages. Then an "Old Games" page could be indented underneath or something. Joey? -- Tom 11:39, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

I think that characters can be broken down, as well as games. Maybe even places...maybe...

But I don't wanna randomly start indenting and cluttering things up, either... Joey? -- AgentSeethroo 12:14, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

Hm. Does every character have to go on the Characters page? I think rejected characters shouldn't even show up on the Characters page. If they are linked to from the toons/emails they appear in, or if someone references them in comments, then that's fine. The pages for Rejects should be created, but they need to be designated as stubs. Or, perhaps we can have a "Disputed Characters" category (or whatever name was decided on in that poll a while back, and then create a "Disputed Characters" template that says something like, "The validity of this character is in question. If you feel that this character should be considered for placement within the 'Characters' category, discuss it on the talk page." --JoeyDay 09:01, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

I agree. Keep them off the Characters page, and create a category for them at most. -- InterruptorJones 09:07, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

Yeah, keep them off the Characters page. But okay then, we need to set up a good system of rules to determine what's going to go in that category/on that page, and say... what's an Inside Joke. And I like the template idea. -- Tom 09:19, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

And quit asking for my input. I trust you guys. Do what you feel is proper. As for the "features" link, it should go. --JoeyDay 10:43, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

Sketchbook?

I just had a thought...should we have the Sketchbook here on the main page, since it's being updated weekly (or so), or will it only be in the museum?

That's a good question. We were behind a few weeks when they started doing the Weekly Fanstuff, because we didn't know they weren't going to archive it. I say as long as we have it somewhere and record it for now, we're good either way. If it becomes as regular as Weekly Fanstuff or the Quote of the Week, then we can add it to a more prominent place. I guess. -- Tom 14:13, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

I do'd it anyway! HA! How's it look? Someone was keepin' up with it already, so I just moverized it.-- AgentSeethroo 15:41, 12 Aug 2004 (MST)

Wiki Stuff

Okay, now that that's kinda settled...How are we gonna format the WikiStuff section of the main page? I know not everything will be included in this new wiki, but some stuff needs a place, like HelpDesk and WikiSandbox and whatnot. Do we just follow the same formatting as the old wiki, even though it may be like 5 links and that's it? Is it possible to make a sidebar links thingy that'd show up on every page? That'd be awesome, and it'd set us apart a little more. Also, half of the pages that we linked on the main page make me wanna barf. I wonder why we never looked these things over periodically? I mean the downloads page, on a scale of 1 to 10 is horrible.5. There's gonna have to be some major overhauling of most those pages to make them look WAY more professional. I'd like to make this a site that TBC can NOT ignore, ya know? -- AgentSeethroo 14:58, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

Ah, very good questions. MediaWiki has these things called "Namespaces". For example the "Category:" part of the link puts the page in the "Category" namespace. Our Wiki's namespace for pages like the sandbox and stuff would go under "Homestar Runner Wiki:" just like the Homestar Runner Wiki:General disclaimer and Homestar Runner Wiki:FAQ pages. The HelpDesk is in the "Help:" namespace. See Help:Contents. Also, a lot of that is under the "Special:" namespace: Allpages, Listusers, Ipblocklist, and so on. We can put stuff over there on the sidebar too. And yes, some of those pages are totally "barf" as you say. I couldn't agree with you more. Maybe someone else has some suggestions on all this... Joey? -- Tom 15:29, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

Homestar_Runner_Wiki namespace

The Homestar_Runner_Wiki namespace really needs to be shortened to just HRWiki. Sewiously. - furrykef 01:16, 14 Aug 2004 (MST)

Any idea how I do that? --JoeyDay 09:04, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

Hm. I think I've made the change, but things are still pointing to the wrong places. Check out the "Search" page. The namespace is called the right thing there. However, the "About" and "Disclaimers" pages still point to "Homestar_Runner_Wiki:About" and "Homestar_Runner_Wiki:General_Disclaimer". I'm also looking into changing the name of "Current events" to "H*R.com updates" and making the "Community portal" link a "WikiForum" link instead. On a related note, I found a really useful page for the admins: Special:Allmessages. This lets us change all of the various system messages. --JoeyDay 10:38, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

Okay, I'm a confused kid right now. I've edited at least three of the system messages, but they aren't changing. I've changed them from the Special:Allmessages page and directly in the Languages.php file. What the heck am I doing wrong?? Specifically, I'm talking about the "portal", "portal-url" and "copyrightwarning" pages. Here's where I learned about this: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki_namespace. Help! --JoeyDay 10:47, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

Okay, our case-change stuff messed up more than I thought it would. Apparently, while I was editing "portal", "portal-url" and "copyrightwarning", I should've been editing "Portal", "Portal-url", and "Copyrightwarning". I wonder if there's some way we can limit our case-change stuff to just the HRWiki namespace. --JoeyDay 11:01, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

Hmm, now the WikiForum link links to a Wiki page called "http://forum..." Hrm.

Let's Open 'er Up

So, lately I've had this horribly sick feeling that things have gone all wrong. This wiki is a community, and therefore a project like this should be done as a community. What we should do, above anything, is get things ready to be opened up. I'd like to see our community finish moving emails, toons, and characters (maybe I'm just lazy, but I really do feel that this is a matter of principle).

I know some of you might be freaking out and thinking that we can't trust our users to move stuff the right way, but think about this: This community has worked so far precisely because we have given everyone the freedom to edit any document. This is the wiki way! If we don't trust our community to get things right, why is this even a wiki in the first place? We might as well just have a normal website maintained by the dozen of us that are working on this migration right now.

So, what we really need to do is all the stuff that's necessary for this place to be operational. We need to build the documentation, make sure all the namespaces and options are set up the way we want them, etc. What do you guys think of this? --JoeyDay 09:31, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

Okay, this is a little scary. I think for the mostpart, you're right, but we still have to issue of page load. If we open up both the old wiki and the new wiki to everybody, things are going to slow to a crawl again. Can you think of any solution to this? Also, I'm afraid we'll have tons of collision problems with lots of people working on the same documents at the same time. And a lot of people are going to try to copy-and-past things the lazy way, without taking the time to fix links, etc. I agree that this should be a community effort, but I think we have to resolve those issues first. -- InterruptorJones 09:37, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

I know you guys know I'm against opening it up. We don't even have any of our help page written yet. Or have the copyrights worked out: we have one place that says GNU and one place that says CC. And Jones is right about that page load. and the everyone doing everything at once thing. Just some more stuff to think about.

As to the problem Joey's dealing with: our not giving everyone the freedom to edit... I think that would create more problems. Joey's right, giving everyone editing rights makes the wiki better, but that happens over a longer period of time. Right now we have to think on the short term. -- Tom 10:25, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

I agree with the Tom and Jones. This place is still a wiki, people will still be able to edit it when it opens up. Lettin' everyone on right now, even to help, would be kinda like lettin' a bunch of kids into an amusement park before it's finished and saying "You have to help us finish, though." There. My two cents. -- AgentSeethroo 08:34, 31 Aug 2004 (MST)

CSS Tweaks

Joey, could you increase the paragraph (P tags) spacing in the CSS? It's a little difficult to make out paragraph boundaries right now. -- InterruptorJones 09:37, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

Working on it... --JoeyDay 10:38, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

Done. Sorry it took me so long. --JoeyDay 10:13, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

Case issues

I just noticed something that might be an issue. Since we made case matter (for the emails), we now have the issue of Ballad of the Sneak and Ballad of The Sneak (and every other case variation) being two completely distinct pages. Is this going to be a problem? -- InterruptorJones 09:39, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

This is already a problem on Wikipedia for any word after the first word. For instance, try looking up "George bush". We'll (and when I say we, I'm talking about the whole community, not just us admins) just have to pay close attention and create redirects where necessary -- at least until all the links can be fixed. --JoeyDay 09:56, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

Okay, "George bush" is a bad example because there's already a redirect. Try "Greek orthodox". --JoeyDay 09:57, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

Okay, no probalo. -- InterruptorJones

Yeah, we have this issue with The Paper and The paper. I think Joey did the redirect for that. -- Tom 10:25, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

Flash file links

Okay, so this has kinda been buggin' me for a while. Whoever first called it "watch this video in fullscreen" obviously had no idea they were linking to the actual raw flash file. Since then, we've continued to call it "watch this video in fullscreen". Can we change it to "download the flash file of this video", or something more meaningful? What do you think? --JoeyDay 10:34, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

Hm, I guess you're right. Though I wish you'd mentioned it before I did all the toons. :D Anyway, "download" isn't quite the right term, since it'll just play in most people's browsers. -- InterruptorJones 10:52, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

Hm. It downloads in Firefox, but I guess that's probably a preference setting. "view the flash file"? "watch the flash file"? --JoeyDay 11:13, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

"view the Flash file" seems good to me. -- InterruptorJones 11:32, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

We could use a template, like: [http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail50.swf Download the Flash file] {{swf}}, and the {{swf}} prints a small boilerplate saying it may download the Flash file or it may instead view it in "fullscreen". - furrykef 13:48, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

Convertulator suggestions

StrongBadEmail should be automagically changed to Strong Bad Email. Anyplace where StrongBadEmail/ appears, it should be removed, so StrongBadEmail/flashback automagically becomes flashback. Only problem would be links like this: flashback. They would turn out like this: flashback, which I suppose isn't a big deal, but it's unnecessary bloat. We'll just have to watch for those. --JoeyDay 11:39, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

I've implemented your suggestions. However, I did find one small bug. If you have a (()) Wiki link that itself is in parentheses, e.g. "(((Some Page)) here)", the Convertulator will convert the first pair of parentheses, yielding [[(Some Page]] here). There's no easy fix for this, so unfortunately we'll just have to just be on the lookout for it. -- InterruptorJones 14:17, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

Characters featured

While adding Filmography categories, I noticed something. The featured characters lists don't seem to be in any particular order. I've been alphabetizing for the filmography categories, but I think the "Featured:" list should be in order of appearance. Maybe it should say...

Cast (in order of appearance): Homestar Runner, Strong Bad, Homsar

What do you guys think? --JoeyDay 09:53, 27 Aug 2004 (MST)

I've always tried to do them in order of appearance. Seems like a good standard to me. -- InterruptorJones 10:54, 27 Aug 2004 (MST)

Navigation links on left

Two, maybe three of the nav links on the left have odd tooltips.

Main Page - Visit the main page [alt-z]
- This is fine.
Strong Bad Email - About the project, what you can do, where to find things
- Obviously this isn't what it is at all.
H*R.com updates - Find background information on current events
- And nor is this really.
Recent changes - The list of recent changes in the wiki. [alt-r]
- Also fine.
Random page - Load a random page. [alt-x]
- Also fine.
Help - The place to find out.
- Slightly odd?

Also, we probably ought to have shortcuts for everything or nothing.

Very good catch. I didn't even notice that the alt text was still set for the default links that used to be there. We also need to get the external links to the WikiForum and the WikiChat there as well. Thanks for the heads up, "84.9.23.83". -- Tom 10:34, 25 Sep 2004 (MST)

You're welcome! I've got myself a proper account now. - Mithent 11:00, 25 Sep 2004 (MST)

Inside jokes

Why are Inside Jokes classified as "wiki stuff"? They are part of the content of H*R, and do not refer to the workings of the wiki. - Drhaggis 00:31, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

I guess Rejects are in that same catagory. Plus things like the glossary just kind of float somewhere in between. I think some reformatting of the section definitions are in order, as long as the Main Page is recieving an overhaul. Any additional design suggestions? -- Thunderbird 01:35, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

I was just doing some more thinking, and what about having the Knowledge Base contain ONLY the things listed on the H*R main page(s), and put everything left over into Wiki Stuff. Basically it would look something like this, and would have the added bonus of evening the two sections out, leaving External Links on the bottom...

Then this to the right of it: (Perhaps the first part in an additional section)

(Perhaps another section here?)

Then the external links in another catergory. Does anyone like this idea? I think it draws a clearer distinction between things organized by the site, and additional Knowledge sorted by the Wiki. I think a clearer illustration would be that the Knowlege base is simply the 10 vegetables, and the Wiki Stuff is all the different salads they can be made into. Does anyone understand this very abstract illustration? As of now there is no clear line drawn, and many pages float in between. At the very least pages like Inside Jokes and Songs seem to be in the same catergory and in my opinion should be sorted accordingly. -- Thunderbird 01:48, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

The Wiki Stuff should be for all the internal housekeeping pages like help pages, list of Trolls, ongoing projects and the like. The material that branches out from the core H*R content like Sightings can be grouped together, but they are not Wiki specific things. -Drhaggis 12:44, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

Then what about renaming the section, or even adding a seperate section? Perhaps name that one something like... 'Base Knowledge', and the other one like 'Secondary Knowledge', or something like that. Then have Wiki Troll, Ledger, Ect. under 'Wiki Stuff'. Or move EVERYTHING H*R related to Knowlege base, including Inside Jokes, ect, but that would make the menu look very offset... -- Thunderbird 12:58, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

Does anybody have an opinion about my idea? I think it's a good layout... -- Thunderbird 22:56, 18 Nov 2004 (MST)

New Format = Banners?

I like the new format, it does make the title screen smaller, and more... colorful, I guess, but what happened to those cool banners? Any way to incorporate them into the design at the tops of the boxes? They really gave the main page a distinct look, and I would like to see them live again. If they don't fit, could whoever made them maybe remake one or two for a custom fit? I dunno, just a suggestion. -- Thunderbird 01:28, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

Also as long as we're on the topic of the new format, what about moving the External Links to below the Wiki Stuff section? There's alot of unused space there. Might even get the page to one screen, without scrolling. Plus should anyone put the explanations of the links back? There seems to be a lack of explanations, only half the links have them. -- Thunderbird 01:32, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

Ah ha. I uploaded the banners to Image:officialsite-banner.png, Image:wikipages-banner.png, and Image:externallinks-banner.png. I'm hoping that someone will come up with something similar that will work with this format. I'm thinking the width should be limited to around 100px. -- Tom 13:16, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

I don't see what was wrong with a lil' scrolling. I'm taking this very harshly. It was my only reminder of the old wiki. --Lunar Jesters 14:08, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

It reminds me a lot of Wikipedia. Maybe to much. I'm thinkin' we need something to "liven" the page up a bit, maybe like an official "Homestar Runner Wiki" banner across the top of the page. -- FireBird|_Talk

Other New Format comments

Oh, gosh, I looked at the new format and I almost lost my lunch. It's so ugly! I really think the old banners should be back! Is there a way we can get them back?

Homsar999 17:04, 17 Nov 2004

I agree, the Banners are needed. Any way to put them along the tops of the colored boxes, even custom stretching them to fit? I think that would look rather good. -- Thunderbird 16:33, 17 Nov 2004 (

It's not that big of a deal. If you puked over this, I'd hate to ride a Tilt-A-Whirl with you. Get over it. -- FireBird|_Talk

I'm starting to notice a pattern of people percieving improvements as being evil here, first with the switchover from Tavi to this, then the reformatting of the front page. --TheNintenGenius 02:53, 18 Nov 2004 (MST)

If there's one thing that never changes, it's that people are afraid of change, no matter how much it improves their lives. Never try to give your grandma a new TV. Anyway, the banners aren't gone for good. The ones we were using just don't fit in the new layout. And just so we're clear: messing about with the front page just because you "liked it better before" is trolling and will be handled as such. — InterruptorJones[[]]

uh, how does this change improve my life? I guess the layout is more functional, but as for improvement, I don't think it really adds anything to the site.

I agree. It looks more crowded and ugly. Needs more color, like the homestar runner website. Keeping the new layout is fine, we just need smaller banners. (Btw, why is keeping the old layout trolling, yet putting up a worse layout not? I agree with your point, I just find that statement a very harsh thing that goes agenst the wiki spirit.) Also, this layout looks like crap at 800x600 --James 13:52, 19 Nov 2004 (MST)

The reason reverting to the old layout is trolling is quite simple: Tom (one of the mods) is the one that did the redesign, and since the mods have the most say in how the Wiki is set up, they have authority. Changing it back because you don't like this new version, therefore, is showing contempt for the mods and so on and so forth. --TheNintenGenius 14:58, 19 Nov 2004 (MST)

What about coming up with a better design that everyone likes? Is this ok? --James 18:22, 19 Nov 2004 (MST)

Can't we settle this with a vote? --Lunar Jesters 18:17, 18 Nov 2004 (MST)

I don't know. Whichever wins, a whole mess of people would be mad. -- FireBird|_Talk

Afraid of change, no. Liked the banners, yes. :( --Southpaw018 21:47, 18 Nov 2004 (MST)

The banners were awesome and the new design is awful. I downloaded the banners (thanks Tom) and I am willing to make new ones (that's part of what I do for a living). I will make a couple and see what everyone thinks.-Your Fuzzy God

I'll help if you need it. I made the origenal banners that started this whole thing off anyway. :-) --James 14:46, 19 Nov 2004 (MST)

DONE! Here is one --> Image:knowledgebase-banner-small.png. I kept the theme of the old banners. If there are any changes you would like to see, tell me. Let me know if you want to use these and I will make the other two.-Your Fuzzy God

Thats a little small, ain't it? what about something 200 pixels wide? --James 18:33, 19 Nov 2004 (MST)

{200 x 50 px}

{100 x 50 px} -Your Fuzzy God

That looks great! Could you make the other two sctions also? The "External Links" one might have to be larger, as that section goes all the way across the bottom of the page. --James 12:47, 23 Nov 2004 (MST)

I will go ahead and do the other two soon. I am going to do them all the same size and then we can decide if the one needs to be bigger and exactly how much bigger.Your Fuzzy God 20:20, 23 Nov 2004 (MST)

Nevermind...External links has been moved.Your Fuzzy God 09:17, 24 Nov 2004 (MST)

Also, it is really annoying that the "knowledge base" frame is about 10% bigger than the "Wiki Stuff" frame. Why is this?-Your Fuzzy God

Yes! I've been noticing this and it's driving me up the wall. If anything, the "Wiki stuff" frame should be bigger simply because there is more text that wraps on it. Having it smaller then "Knowledge base" is retarded, mostly since the "Knowledge base" frame has very little text that extends all the way to the border. --James 18:21, 19 Nov 2004 (MST)

I just did a quick preview of the main page with equal frames and it looks so much better then when it's 10% off. Theres absolutely no reason I see for the 10% diffrence. Or is there something I'm missing? --James 18:26, 19 Nov 2004 (MST)

Hi James. I'm glad you are thinking of changes for the Main Page. However, I'd like to ask that you refrain from using words such as "retarded" as this can be offensive to developmentally disabled people. -- Tom 23:04, 19 Nov 2004 (MST)

Ok. Sorry. --James 17:09, 20 Nov 2004 (MST)

ARGH! I just started this thread to comment, not to have a "This is better, shut up this is better" argument. I was figuratively saying that I almost lost my lunch. I don't really give a care if we go back to the banners and just keep our look. I was just offering an opinion. --Homsar999 13:29, 24 Nov 2004 (CST)

New Banners

I'm happy to see that Your Fuzzy God has created some proposals for new banners. I'm sure as many of you have already done, I've tried them on the page in a quick "preview". (Please note that they most likely will be contained in code like <div style="float:right;margin-left:1em;width:100px">[[Image:knowledgebase-banner-small.png]]</div> so that they will float to the appropriate area in the section.) While they do add somewhat to the page, I think they could be improved upon. While a small width must be maintained, I don't think it would create a problem if the image had a greater height. If anyone cares to propose more images, just add them to the discussion here. -- Tom 17:40, 26 Nov 2004 (MST)

The Character Silhouettes

I think Joey Day has the solution for us, looking at the main page now. Skipping the whole banners or no argument and doing something that integrates itself perfectly into the new design? Very very nice. --TheNintenGenius 14:06, 29 Nov 2004 (MST)

I love those, but perhaps resize one to be the same general dimensions as the other? It bothers me slightly. -- Mithent 14:43, 29 Nov 2004 (MST)

Hm. I actually shrunk Strong Bad a bit because I thought he looked too big compared to Homestar. Now that I've watched a few toons I've realized Strond Bad just has a really big head. I'm not at home now or I would redo the image right now. I'll try to do it later tonight. —JoeyDay (Talk) 16:09, 29 Nov 2004 (MST)

One other small adjustment: I think the characters could stand to be just a little darker; I can hardly see them on my laptop unless I move my screen to just the right angle. Otherwise, it looks really good. Nice job, JoeyDay. --oddtodd 14:41, 1 Dec 2004 (MST)

Enhancement/Modification of Logo

Props to the individual who tweaked the wiki's main logo image that appears in the upper left-hand corner. It certainly says something about our wiki - I love the polished look and it really is a marked improvement. --The Paper 15:02, 1 Dec 2004 (MST)

Thanks. I've been meaning to modify it for some time now. The text was way too small before. Did you also notice I swapped out the default mediawiki background for a more better homestar styled background? You can see it best on a short page like this one. —JoeyDay (Talk) 22:41, 1 Dec 2004 (MST)

Now that's really cool. I like both the new logo and the new background. --oddtodd 20:28, 2 Dec 2004 (MST)

Yeah, I like the new background and logo. You may as well call it MonoTheField. -woddfellow2|✎ 20:37, 22 Dec 2004 (MST)

Good call on the background. I never noticed. But yea, now I notice a lack of lines along the top. You've really done a good job of personalizing the Wiki. [[User:Thunderbird L17|⇔Thunderbird⇔]] 12:47, 30 Dec 2004 (MST)

Hello

What is a wiki, this is crazy, can someone like tell me what to do, i look at HR weekly, anyone got any new updates

One thing is we use correct grammar. Which includes correct capitolization and punctuation. To find out about this "crazy place", read up at the HRWiki:About page, or ask up any questions in the Help Desk. (Oh, and for updates, there's a little thing called homestarrunner.com where there's this thing in the corner. It usually has updates, if I'm not mistaking. :) ) But anyways, a wiki is very easy to use if you know how, which you will learn at the HRWiki:About page. Trust me. You'll love it here if you decide to stick around.→FireBird

Gr8 Job!

You guys do a great job at keeping troublemakers from ruining this site.

If someone would have asked me about the concept of Wiki before I saw it in action, I probably would have been very skeptical that trasher control would be effective.

Boy was I wrong.

Thanks FortyTwo and all you great detrollers out there!

Wow, A shoutout! *sniff* I'm touched... Thanks! --FortyTwo 19:53, 28 Dec 2004 (MST)

What the crap?

Why am I not on the list of registered users? --Upsilon

You're number 439. -- Tom 11:42, 30 Dec 2004 (MST)

2004/2005 Tsunami Donation Link

I was just reading up on the Indian Ocean Earthquake and realized how incredibly horrible this event was, and I'm seriously thinking we need some kind of banner to a donation link to the Wikipedia donation page. Or something like that. →[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]

How very specific your request is. -Fhq

Fhq, what's your point? It's a good idea, don't give him crap because he's thinking larger than himself. Bird, perhaps you should send Joey a PM on the forum. -- AgentSeethroo

Just in case anyone was wondering, we won't be adding a notice to the Main Page. If you'd like to put a notice on your userpage, that would be acceptable. -- Tom 20:14, 7 Jan 2005 (MST)

Dubious reference solution

Over the past few Strongbad e-mail articles, I've read a lot of (to be frank) farfetched suggestions of references that TBCs are presumably making to other stuff. Maybe, if you're 100% sure that something is intended as a reference (for example, a character name or line very specific to one TV show), then it's fine to say it's a reference. But if something just seems to remind you of something else (for example, a song that sounds kinda-sorta like a song that was played in the 23rd episode of some TV series), then it's more accurate to say that it is reminiscent of something, rather than a reference to something.

Just a suggestion.

A wonderful suggestion, and it goes along with the ongoing discussion we are having regarding the overhaul of our current fun fact system. Thank you for your concern and idea. -- Tom 14:52, 13 Jan 2005 (MST)

Locking down the main page

I visited today and noticed that the main page had been defaced. Someone else restored the last known good version, but it seems to me that the front page should not be editable by just anyone for this exact reason. Even the main page of Wikipedia is off-limits to anyone except staff...

Yeah, I want the main page protected as well... -woddfellow2|✎ 14:05, 14 Jan 2005 (MST)

-It happened again. This must be done NOW.

Look, the template does nothing to prevent trolling; it's a redundancy. Locking down the Main Page is a good way to go, since nothing really changes there, anyway. -- FortyTwo 14:26, 14 Jan 2005 (MST)

I find it funny how the MediaWiki's been around for at least 5 months now and only NOW are people starting to complain about wanting the Main Page locked down. Personally, I think it's prime idiot bait, as in "if you deface the main page, you're automatically not fit to be on the wiki." --TheNintenGenius 15:02, 14 Jan 2005 (MST)

You could have a way to detect whether someone is severely defaceing the page or not. --67.161.224.65

Okay, due to several requests and the seeming lack of need to update the Main Page, I've protected it. Please note that I do not like having it protected, this being a wiki and all, but I agree that it really doesn't need to be edited that much and is just sitting there as troll fodder. Thanks to all who helped with that last batch of defacement. -- Tom 19:12, 14 Jan 2005 (MST)

I never change the main page, so I'm pretty happy with that, but I do have one concern. Might the Trollers who automatically go to work on the Main Page to start with, now be forced to move onto smaller, harder to detect defacements on other pages? What if we're only spreading the diease? [[User:Thunderbird L17|⇔Thunderbird⇔]] 18:46, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)

A good concern, and lucky for me I have this wonderful ditty to cite:

...the fact is that for every troll with too much spare time, there are 100 users with just as much spare time ready and eager to undo that troll's (un)work. The fact is, the trolls always get bored before the users do, because the users are emotionally invested in what they've created and the Wiki moves fast enough that the average trolling only lasts about two minutes before it's reverted. A troll's work is hardly ever noticed by anybody, but a legitimate user's work is always noticed and appreciated. That's why wikis work. — InterruptorJones 15:37, 17 Jan 2005 (MST) (ref)

Simply put, that's just how wikis work. We'll notice no matter where or how small, and they will get tired. -- Tom 18:55, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)

That is, unless said troll or trolls are emotionally invested in destroying the wiki. --Guest

Good answer, thanks. Come to think of it, I guess if everyone has on their watchlist the pages they created, or just care for, then likely whatever page is edited will be watched by SOMEBODY. Thanks for the quick reply. [[User:Thunderbird L17|⇔Thunderbird⇔]] 17:36, 19 Jan 2005 (MST)

Rejects?

Where did Rejects go?? What the? -- Asploder

Away. — InterruptorJones[[]] 23:57, 5 Feb 2005 (MST)

Yes, they're all categorised now, but I don't know where they went. —woddfellow2|✎ 18:08, 14 Feb 2005 (MST)

They all went to better places. Characters are now characters, items are now classified as items. Fancy that ;) - Dr Haggis - Talk 21:48, 27 Feb 2005 (MST)

Confusion over moving dates

The Main Page says that HRWiki will be moving 'from early Friday morning (Feb. 25) to late Sunday evening (Feb. 27)', but every other page says 'early Friday morning (Mar. 4) to late Sunday evening (Mar. 6)'. Someone should probably fix that on the main page, as it appears it's not closed presently. -- Mithent 05:04, 26 Feb 2005 (MST)

The date changed. A hard refresh (likely ctrl+F5) of the Main Page should clear your cache and solve the problem. -- Tom 21:16, 27 Feb 2005 (MST)

New

Hi, I'm new and not on the list.--mailman8 09:19, 1 Mar 2005 (MST)

Yes you are, you're number 895 →evin290 09:50, 1 Mar 2005 (MST)

what number am i?--spikymann 10:03, 1 Mar 2005 (MST)

Here, find out for yourself. -- AgentSeethroo 10:46, 1 Mar 2005 (MST)

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