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[edit] Bozar's line

Can anyone understand the beginning of Bozar's line, before "Limo-losers"? It's currently blank. I think it ends in "-ice" or "-ise". --Jay 03:18, 8 Mar 2005 (MST)

Wow. Nobody yet? --Jay 08:57, 8 Mar 2005 (MST)
I've slowed it down and listened to it a lot but I don't think it's english, maybe another language or just plain gibberish. It sounds the most like 'Has a mit, kice'. Maybe he's talking about 'Mitch' or 'Dice' but I can't quite figure it out. --80.57.84.149 17:14, 8 Mar 2005 (MST)
I put in indecipherable for now, if someone can make sense of it they can change it. --80.57.84.149 08:41, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)
I just don't buy the line "I'm gonna make twice Limo-losers!" I changed it back to "unintelligible" and pointed folks to this discussion. Should this be STUFFed? -- tomstiff 15:24, 10 Mar 2005 (CST)
I wonder is Bozar is saying something backwards (a la Strong Bad in rock opera) -- tomstiff 16:43, 10 Mar 2005 (CST)
I checked, and it doesn't make any more sense backwards. Darn it. Darn it to heck. -- Billy Hologram
All I hear is "scuttle me twice, limo-losers" which makes just about as much sense as "has a mit, kice..." →evin290
Uhm... I think I heard him say something like "Eat my lice, limo-losers" or something as such... I think it said lice, but i'm not sure about what came before that... I'm gonna go watch it again. ~Bii 10:34, 11 Mar 2005 (MST)
I hear "Have a mint ice, limo-losers", although "ice" often sounds more like "twice". Though I've noted that the way it's said "thingle-me-ice" sounds potentially referentially similar to "riddle-me-this". Any random villain ever said this in a cartoon? --Tweek
I dunno, to me it sounds pretty clearly like "riddle me twice". Dasrik 08:16, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
It sounds almost like something in German... something resembling "hallo mit weiss" (I know that's not right, it just sounds sort of like that). Any German speakers out there? Beatfox 03:43, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I'm not sure what the first part of Bozar's line was, but I'm surprised you guys didn't pick up on the "Limo-Loosers" part. Good gosh people, stuff like that is like an essential to practically ANY 80s early saturday morning cartoon show. The bad guys ALWAYS say something like that to the hero(s). An example, the Mega Man cartoon show(shudders). He always gets called "Mega Moron" or "BLue Dweeb"(thankfully Bozar had the sense not to call them Dweebs). Just thought I'd point that out to ya.-Fr057

We did get that part. "Limo losers" is in both the transcript and the discussion above. Aurora Szalinski 10:57, 21 Mar 2005 (MST)
Mystery solved! I wonder if TBC put up that sketch just for us... ;) Homestar Coderhomestar-coder-sig.gif 17:04, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Mystery not quite solved. I listened to it a few more times and I hear "Puzzle me twice." It makes sense as a parody of the Riddler's line. -- TaranchulaVamp15 00:05, Aug 11 2005 (CST)

The mystery is solved, because TBC used Bozar's line on a sketch of Bozar. It's "Riddle me twice." Homestar Coderhomestar-coder-sig.gif 05:29, 11 Aug 2005 (UTC)
Oh, no. I hate to do this to you people. I really, really REALLY do. But I was just listening to the DVD, looking for discrepencies (since best thing seems to be the most-updated email on the DVDs) and...
i think he says "puzzle," not riddle, despite what's in the sketchbook.
At least, he does on the DVD. {dodges thrown items} --Jay o'Lantern (Haunt) 06:53, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
Yeah, he does in the actual 'toon too. Anyone else agree with me here? --Jay o'Lantern (Haunt) 07:01, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
I know this is a fairly old conversation, but I'm with Jay here. It definitely sounds like "puzzle", not "riddle". -YK 06:31, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Okay, re-opening a very old topic, since an anony recently changed this back to "puzzle" and then got reverted. I wasn't here for this conversation, and I very rarely read transcripts anyway, so let me add my 2¢ now that I've listened carefully to it. It's puzzle! I don't care what the sketchbook says. =] OptimisticFool 17:26, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Who ever said the sketchbook caption has to be from a toon anyway? I listened to it again, now, too, and it doesn't sound like riddle to me, either. (For the record, the edit summary seemed a little harsh to me. I think it's a perfectly legit possibility that the anonny didn't see the inviso-comment. They are, after all, invisible except when you're editing, and by that point, it's easy to focus on only what you're gonna change, and not notice comments around it, I think, particularly in the case when the edit has a reasonable basis..) DAGRON 18:43, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
I agree that it is "puzzle me twice". Heimstern Läufer 18:49, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
Bringing this back to visibility. Is there any objection to going ahead and making the change to "puzzle me twice"? Heimstern Läufer 01:12, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
I heard "Hazzle me twice" or "Hussle me twice". Anyway, they do different variations of lines in the sketchbook. And if it's not an H, I definetly hear uzzle. Puzzle. --Still Homsar 12:58, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

[edit] Alt Ock Band

Just a quickie, I believe that when They were talking bout an alt ock band with a female Bassist, short haired drummer and glasses wearing lead singer, it maybe a refrence to Sonice Youth, Juts and idea -- Unknown

Ack! That previous comment wasn't from me! I just added the "title tag" to separate it from earlier comments. tomstiff 22:11, 18 Mar 2005 (CST)

[edit] Other cartoon references

Is this email also a reference to that Saturday morning cartoon "Kidd Video"? I don't remember it super well but the evil reality upsetter guy from the SBEmail reminded me of "master blaster". http://www.kvflipside.org/characters/masterblaster.html --24.5.74.134 07:13, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)

[edit] Alternative Rock Band!

None hit all the qualifications, but what do you think of the alt-rock? I think the metal and alt-rock should've both stayed, and some of the good metal bands did stay around. --geoguy91 22:35, 8 Mar 2005 (CST)

[edit] Filename Breaking SBEmail Convention

Why was the comment about the filename breaking the sbemail naming convention removed? I think it should atleast be noted somewhere. -- IRbaboon 08:28, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)

How does it break convention? --Jnelson09 20:18, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

The Flash file is named "sbemail126_mx.swf". --DorianGray
Oh. Well, I don't think that's worth mentioning. There are a few other cases. --Jnelson09 06:02, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Theme song

I'm fairly certain the song goes...

Well, they turned their tour bus into a space machine!
But they're still Limozeen!

Instead of "And they're still Limozeen!". --Billy Hologram 16:51, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)

Yeah, that sounds pretty likely to me too. Except right after that it goes "but they're in space!" The repetition of the word "but" before both clauses seems like something one would want to avoid. Though when one thinks about it, it would still work. It's hard to tell; one would have to listen carefully and tell what was said exactly to be certain about it. --Ogog 18:49, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)
Allright, I recorded it, timestretched it, and listened very carefully. :) I'm now 100% sure that it is "but" and not "and". Hence, I'm changing the transcript. --Billy Hologram 23:09, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)

[edit] Gary

When Gary says "I guess I won't be needing this anymore" he sounds suspiciously like Stinkoman! (Well, I guess it is hard to have so many characters and do an entirely unique voice for each of them, though Matt's done a good job so far.) →evin290 20:12, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)

Further, Mitch Overlord is a deeper Strongbad, and when real Gary says "Weeeeeeellll..." he sounds like he's doing a Homsar. Not that these need to be put on the page, but that I agree that poor Matt is being overworked. --Buz 04:58, 11 Mar 2005 (MST)

[edit] Suge?

Hey, I wonder, could "Suge Brown" be a reference to Suge Knight? --Jeffrey G 14:32, 10 Mar 2005 (MST)

[edit] A reference to this, that, and the other thing

Example: "The fact that Limozeen's cartoon takes place in space for no good reason is likely a reference to several other cartoons which also took place in space for no reason, like..."

Is it really a "reference" when we say "This email is mocking a WHOLE FREAKING BUNCH OF INDEPENDENT SHOWS WITH LITTLE IN COMMON save whatever the joke is about"? I always thought that direct references were, you know, referring to ONE thing - maybe a few more if they're very closely related, but that's it. But "this, that, and the other thing" references feel almost like explaining jokes, instead of true references. It's getting WAY out of hand, especially since everyone then feels the need to add their favorite applicable show. And someone will surely whine or add it back if I remove all the Facts of this type. Is it just me? Does anyone else feel this way? --Jay 20:36, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)

No comment? It's not so much that I want to DELETE them (well, some of them), it's more that I think they should go in Explanations if they're relevant enough. And not list all the hundreds of examples unless it's REALLY necessary to get the point across. --Jay 01:57, 15 Mar 2005 (MST)
Actually, I think this fun fact is different from, for instance, the "this joke is referencing shows which were taken off the air and developed a following on DVD" or whatever. Younger people might not realize that in the seventies and early eighties, there were a handful of poorly-animated shows that took popular subjects and stuck them in space for no reason (like Gilligan's Planet) and this show is a direct riff on that trend.
Hence, it should go in Explanations if relevant enough. But certainly not References, because is it REFERENCING Gilligan's Planet? Or Josie and the Pussycats in Space? Or is it mocking the entire subgenre? --Jay 13:31, 15 Mar 2005 (MST)
It's mocking the entire subgenre / trend. I think it's reasonable, because the shows/subgenre is not very well known, particuarly to people who did not grow up with those shows, but I can see why you would want it deleted. Aurora Szalinski 13:35, 15 Mar 2005 (MST)
Are you reading what I'm saying? I said move to Explanations and take out the examples. Only delete the really obvious or trivial ones. --Jay 13:37, 15 Mar 2005 (MST)
Geez, OK. Why didn't you just move it then? I'll go do that now. Aurora Szalinski 14:08, 15 Mar 2005 (MST)


[edit] Limozeen Tape Singers

When they show the Limozeen tape and the choir singers sing, I hear them say "Limozeen!" not "VHS!" Does anyone else hear this? --Homsar999 1:50, 17 Apr 2005 (CDT)

Yes, I heard that originally too (if you go through the history (and if enough of it still exists!), you'll notice that when I wrote the Transcript, it said "Limozeen".) The singers are indistinct enough that I didn't change it back when someone altered it, however. --Jay 08:18, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I heard "Limozeen" too... Aurora the Homestar Coder 08:31, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I hear them singing "VHS" and "Limozeen" simultaneously. --Gafaddict 13:56, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Looks like we're goin' through another VHS/Limozeen thrash. Has a consensus been reached on this? I listened to it a few times today and I don't hear either one! -- tomstiff 13:48, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I'm sorry, I don't hear the singers say "Limozeen" at all! I heard "VHS" the very first time I watched the cartoon. It made sense since the only known copy of the episode was recorded on a VHS tape. I've NEVER heard "Limozeen", not even in the background. -- TaranchulaVamp15 23:40, 9 Jun 2005 (DST -5)
Then what do you hear, tomstiff? --Homsar999ß 13:24, 16 Jun 2005 (CDT)
I only hear two syllables. I don't hear any "ess" or "zee" sound. If I *had* to guess, it sounds like "Vee Jay". I *know* that sounds perilously close to "VHS", but I just don't hear the "ess". -- tomstiff 14:39, 12 Aug 2005 (UTC)

We could just put a footnote at the bottom like we did in bottom 10. -- TaranchulaVamp15

I have recorded and replayed the line over and over, and I cannot for the life of me hear "Limozeen". It's definately VHS. You can clearly hear the "vee" and "ch" sound from the V and H in VHS, although I have to admit I cannot hear the "S". The singers do fade out near the end and Strong Bad says words with "ess" sounds in them. It's probable that the "ess" in VHS was drowned out as a result. --Tweek

Second to pretty much all of that --phlip TC 21:49, 3 Sep 2005 (UTC)
I hear them say VHS, but they say the H and S quickly. --Fangoriously 22:55, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
I hear "VEE A-CH EeEeE(fades out)s". Definetly not Limozeen. --Still Homsar 12:46, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
But to really sort this out, I checked on the HD version with HD sound. It's DEFINETLY VHS. Check on YouTube yourself. --Still Homsar 12:53, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
Totally not Limozeen. With my crappy speakers, I heard "email" at first, but it's probably VHS. --209.148.176.136 13:14, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

[edit] Darth Malak

I know it's already been mentioned and declined, but the similarities between Mitch Overlord and Darth Malak from Knights of the Old Republic are too close to ignore, and I think it should be added to the article. Just stick it into GIS, even the colour of his face is identical, and that mouth-thing looks the same. The voice is incredibly similar and, although this is a strecth, look at the first letters! Mitch Malak. Oh come on, it's based on him without a doubt.

It's similar, but different enough that I'm willing to chalk it up to coincidence without more hard evidence. --Jay (Talk) 06:48, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I have to agree that Mitch Overlord is a definite reference to Darth Malak by TBC, especially after a reference to homsar was found in the Knights of the Old Republic game. It is a way for TBC to tip their caps to the creators of the game. Colonel Burnsides 01:08, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

I was reminded of that one guy from The Venture Brothers who had a metal jaw. By the way, I am talking about a show appearing on Cartoon Network's "Adult Swim" block of programming, if you didn't know. but, a buttdanceNeox ONION BUBS!YOU WILL RESPECT MAH AUTHORI-TAH!!! 21:41, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Ah, good ol' Baron Ünderbheit. But I think there are a lot of metal jaws out there, and Mitch is just another of their number. --DorianGray 21:49, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
Among them, Trap-Jaw from He-Man and the Masters of the Universe.

[edit] W*A*L*T*E*R

Speaking of shows "cancelled" during the pilot ... how about W*A*L*T*E*R?

Since the pilot was never picked up for by CBS as a series, it was shown as a "CBS Special Presentation" in July of 1984. It was shown once in the eastern part of the United States, but pre-empted on the West Coast by CBS News coverage of the Democratic National Convention. This is the only known broadcast of the pilot.

Life imitates art, eh? Or at least Limozeen! -- tomstiff 20:42, 17 Aug 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Closed Fun Facts

These were on the STUFF page and were either declined, accepted, or rewritten/revised. If you wish to contest these, leave a note here, but don't allow it to be confused with any of the original votes.

[edit] Who is John Bozar? (ACCEPTED)

Bozar's huge cranium, love of bizarre magical pranks, and insulting manner of addressing the heroes of the show bears a strong resemblance to the antics of Mr. Mxyzptlk, a derby-wearing, fifth-dimensional imp and Superman antagonist who periodically appeared in Metropolis to pester the Last Son of Krypton with his reality-altering powers.

He also bears a resemblance to the Great Gazoo from The Flintstones.
He also resembles a megalomaniacal antagonist from the 90's show Mighty Max called Dr. Zygote, who had an oversized brain/head, alien-like features, and would construct elaborate schemes to rule/destroy humanity.
He appears to be saying 'Muddle me twice' at the begining of his line, which is similar to Batman villain The Riddler's (in his various incarnations) catchphrase of 'riddle me this'.
He may have been partly inspired by the similar alien character Q from Star Trek: The Next Generation, who occasionally made an appearance, much to the annoyance of Captain Picard.
  • Keep Mr. Mxyzptlk and The Great Gazoo. Scrap the rest. -- tomstiff 16:01, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
    • Second. --Trogga 19:18, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
    • Second. The "Great Gazoo" bit is DEFINITELY a reference as the cartoon is a parody of Hanna Barbera cartoons. I'm not so certain about Mr. Mxyzptlk, but I do agree that it's a valid reference. However, I think Gazoo should come first, as per the Flintstones parody. --TheEggman 15:32, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
      • Comment. Just did a little checking - Gazoo first appeared in 1964, while Mr. Mxyzptlk first appeared in 1987, as did Q (on the pilot of ST:TNG). Gazoo should be first in the fact as he's first chronologically, and while I'm still iffy about Mxyzptlk being included, seeing as how the title of the episode "Encounter at Groupulon 5" is a reference to the pilot of ST:TNG, I think the Q reference is definitely valid. Mighty Max is a huge stretch, though the hat and the "muddle me twice" line definitely seem to point to a Riddler reference. John Bozar seems to be an amalgam of all of them - this may be a TTATOT fact, but for once, there's a basis for it. --TheEggman 15:38, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
      • Comment. According to Wikipedia, Mr. Mxyzptlk was introduced in 1944. -- tomstiff 15:46, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
        • Comment. My bad - I didn't realize he was THAT old. Curse the internet for diseminating false information! In any case, I still think he's an amalgam of Mxyzptlk, Gazoo, Q, and Riddler - but then we get into TTATOT territory. Still, with this being an OBVIOUS Hanna Barbera parody, I think Gazoo should take precedence. --TheEggman 14:25, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Decline I thought we'd already declined this TTATOT fact. --Jay 20:50, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
    • Comment and Decline Actually Jay, I think we declined the fact about the guy with the metal jaw, not Bozar. Which brings up my point. All of the references for the metal jaw fact were declined. I see no reason that this should be any different. --acekirby13 19:31, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Rudiments (Declined)

"rrll rrll" is a common short-hand notation for a double-stroke roll, which is a percussion rudiment executed by playing two strokes on a single hand followed by two in the alternate hand and repeating.

  • Decline This is more likely a variation of "grrl." Also, percussion stickings are written exclusively in caps; I think this reference would be more believable if the line appeared as "RRLL RRLL" in the e-mail. Svelt 23:20, 3 Apr 2005 (MDT)
  • Decline Living in Houston, I hear people pronouncing "real" as "rrll" about 2,568 times a day. I took this as a joke based on southern accents. -- tomstiff 04 Apr 2005
  • Accept? I dunno, this struck me as kinda obvious at first, seeing how the entire e-mail deals with music... SP
  • Drumline... er, Decline. It's just a silly spelling of "real", probably inspired by the aforementioned "grrl". --Beatfox 19:20, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] guitar "Space Gary" tosses (Accepted with revisions)

It's the same guitar shown in Puppet Time, which Puppet Homestar "borrows" from Puppet Strong Bad. Terra Rising 22:14, 13 Mar 2005 (PST) [Edited as per suggestion below. Terra Rising 19:14, 15 Mar 2005 (PST)]

  • Revise and Accept. The second half is unnecessary - just say it's the same guitar that appears in Puppet Time. --TheEggman 12:50, 15 Mar 2005 (MST)
    • Comment. Heh, just realized that if this fact is accepted, it'll need a little more in it:
The guitar Space Gary tosses is the same guitar shown in Puppet Time.
--TheEggman 08:21, 17 Mar 2005 (MST)
  • Decline Facts that are about re-used items are usually rejected outright. Puppet time or live action items shouldn't be excempted from this. Donny vs Universe
    • Comment. I disagree about live-action items. Given that there aren't that many live-action shorts, I think it's quite notable... in this particular instance. --TheEggman
      • What, they're going to go out and get a new guitar everytime they need one? I stand by my vote, its no different than the other times they re-use stuff. Donny vs Universe
        • Again, I respectfully disagree. It's different when you're dealing with small things like a can, or a spoon, or a bottle of ketchup - I agree that when it's reused more than once, it shouldn't be included. A guitar, on the other hand, is not a small thing, and in the context of this toon, it's a very noticeable item. And given that this is (possibly) the first time that a live-action shot was included in a SBE-mail, I think it's notable. I do agree that not every re-used prop deserves its own fun fact, but I do think that this one DOES deserve mentioning. --TheEggman
          • C'mon, the guitar also shows up in the 100th e-mail along with Limozeen. Its not important enough to point out everytime it shows up. Donny vs Universe
            • Geez, lighten up... for starters, that's in an easter egg, not the main cartoon. And as I said before, live-action bits in an animated series are special cases. But this bickering is meaningless - unless someone else votes, it's at a deadlock. --TheEggman
              • Decline. Since you said it was a deadlock... I think it's a silly fun fact. I'm sure the Brothers Chaps don't have new guitars lying around for every time they want to put one in a toon. Of course it's always the same guitar. Aurora Szalinski 20:40, 17 Mar 2005 (MST)
  • Comment. Quite frankly, I find the "TBC re-use items all the time!" argument to be weak. This is a place where people look for connections between toons, and while not EVERY re-used item deserves a mention (the Wiki would be clogged with entries about ketchup bottles, old cans, and wooden spoons), there must be certain times when the reappearance of re-used items is notable. --TheEggman
  • Right right (and I'm the one who needs to lighten up). Look, the guitar also shows up on the Limozeen poster in Haircut. Is there going to be a fun fact for that appearance as well? It doesn't matter whether the guitar shows up in an easter egg or as part of the main cartoon. Its a re-used prop, not any different than TBC re-using the animated props. Donny vs Universe
    • I think the point I'm trying to make is that in those other instances, the guitar is not an active part of the toon. The fact that in "best thing" the guitar is *tossed* from animated to live-action makes it noticeable, and therefore, notable in the fun facts. --TheEggman
    • Um no, that still just makes it a PROP. And it still doesn't change the fact that its had other appearances before Best Thing. In fact, it shows up almost everytime Limozeen does so its safe to assume it'll show up again in the future. Donny vs Universe
      • "Almost?" I think not - it doesn't show up in their picture in monster truck, it doesn't show up in their Limozeen Thanksgiving E-cards, or any of their other appearances besides the easter eggs in haircut or flashback (which are the guitar's ONLY other appearances besides Puppet Time). Still, there's a difference between a prop that's just for scenery and a prop that is an active part of the action - in the easter egg appearances, it's just held with no explicit reference being made to it. This isn't the case in Puppet Time and Best Thing. And my reasoning for the weakness of the "TBC re-use items" argument is that the average viewer won't say "Hey, the Brothers Chaps re-use that guitar cuz they can't afford to go out and get a new one each time they wanna put one in a live-action shot" - the average viewer is more likely to say "HEY! That guitar looks just like the one Homestar takes away in 'Puppet Time'." An electric guitar is a noticeable item, other minor props like a bottle of ketchup or an old can are not - there is a diference, end of story.--TheEggman
    • Theres a bit of a flaw to your reasoning there guy. The use of the guitar isn't meant to be in refererence to anything. Its not important or central to the gag at hand. They could've used the black guitar for all it mattered. It would not have changed the joke at all. As I keep saying, ITS JUST ANOTHER PROP. If someone had posted that the guitar in Puppet Time was the same one in Flashback would you have rejected that fun fact? In fact, since you have to go out of the way to view the easter eggs its logical that pointing out the guitar's appearances in Hair cut and Flashback are more important than the one in Best thing. After all, if not everyone is going to see the easter eggs then its decidedly harder to note the use of the guitars. And thats what fun facts are for right? Pointing out stuff that people normally wouldn't notice right? So if we wouldn't point it out for the easter eggs why should we point it out here? But you go ahead and be obtuse and declare victory all you want. Donny vs Universe
      • There's a flaw in YOUR reasoning - it's more central to the gag at hand than either of the easter eggs in Haircut or Flashback, someone DID point out the guitar's appearance in Flashback, no I wouldn't have rejected it (being only the second time it's been used), and going out of the way to get the easter eggs does NOT make it more important than the reference in Best Thing - in fact, the easter eggs make them less important as they're not an integral part of the toon. And I'm not being obtuse, you're being argumentative (as usual). --TheEggman
    • I like how you added in "as usual", as if we've had a million arguments before when in fact I do believe this is the closest thing to an argument I've had here (and if it isn't, its the first one I've had with you. The fact is that if the guitar had been a cartoon prop people would've jumped on it screaming "TBC re-use things all the time". The guitar was not central to joke. It could have been any guitar that was thrown. Therefore, its just another prop. Second, one thing you said is that this fact is valid because some viewers might not have noticed the guitar's re-usage. The re-use is even less important if its been pointed out elsewhere on the site (hey, lets mention that Homsar started out in the e-mail "Homsar" everytime he appears). ITS. JUST. A. PROP. Donny vs Universe
      • It doesn't matter how much you capitalize it or put periods after every word, it doesn't make it more true or the guitar less noticeable. --TheEggman
  • Accept It also can be a fun fact as this particular instance(unlike the cans, ketchup, ect...) was difficult to notice. I hadnt recognised the guitar's similarity in the two toons even after watching each toon 3 times (as i do with most toons). --flashstorm 11:50, 18 Mar 2005 (MST)
    • After reading all the arguments, I am changing my vote to a Decline. Animated or not, it is stiull just a prop and is just as unimportant. --flashstorm 12:46, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
  • Accept I found this fact interesting. --Joshua 20:29, 20 Mar 2005 (MST)
    • Second Y'alls can argue all you want, but I think the fact is good enough to be mentioned. --acekirby13 14:17, 21 Mar 2005 (MST)
      • Third'd. Donny is being argumentative, as he usually is. The majority so far is ruling, so get used to it. Oh, and... if you want it to be possessive, it's just ITS, but if it's supposed to be a contraction then it's IT apostrophe S. ISlayedTheKerrek 09:00, 23 Mar 2005 (MST)

[edit] Cancelled after first episode (Declined)

There are five shows that were cancelled after their first episode:

You're in the Picture, CBS, aired 20 January 1961
Turn On, ABC, aired 05 February 1969
Co-Ed Fever, CBS, aired 04 February 1979
South of Sunset, CBS, aired 23 October 1993
Dot Comedy, ABC, aired 15 December 2000

Of the five, Turn-on, ABC's attempt to copy NBC's "Rowan and Martin's Laugh-In," was actually cancelled by several affiliates during the first commercial break!

  • "SEVERE DECLINE!" (Changed from "Weak Accept...") --Aussie Evil 08:44, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
  • Decline While this is an interesting fact, it really doesn't have a place here, being that none of those shows have anything to do with HSR and the only connection is being cancelled after one show. Interesting, but not relevant enough. --TheEggman 09:13, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
    • Second--tomstiff 23:47, 12 Mar 2005 (CST)
  • Decline. It isn't relevant. Plus, the addition of the show "The Will," which was cancelled earlier this year by CBS after only airing one episode, makes six. ISlayedTheKerrek 13:13, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
  • STRONG ACCEPT!! I think it's fun and interesting. The show that you said was cancelled after the first commercial break must be reference to the strong bad e-mail "montage". At the end when the credits are rolling it says that strong bad hosted a show on Animal Planet that cancelled after the first commercial break. The strong bad show also might be a reference to a show on Animal Planet that was hosted by Collin Mochrie that cancelled quickly. --s t i n k o m a n K
    • Fun? Interesting? Perhaps. How about RELEVANT? Sorry, fails that test. DECLINE --Jay 20:22, 13 Mar 2005 (MST)
  • Decline There was also a show called "Aliens in the family" that got cancelled after one episode. There are just too many shows to list for this to be a viable fact. And a second on Jay Jay's vote. It isn't relevent anyway. Donny vs Universe
    • Actually, Donny, Aliens In The Family lasted only two episodes before it was cancelled. ISlayedTheKerrek 11:45, 14 Mar 2005 (MST)
    • The ABC affiliate where I live only showed the first episode. Donny vs Universe
  • Point One This has been mentioned about other single-episode shows already. Point Two Nobody wants to read about failure shows on a site about a successful web cartoon.
  • Major Revision then Accept Only keep Turn-On, because, like the Limozeen cartoon, it didn't even make it through the pilot episode. Oh, and Point Three Sign your vote.--acekirby13 08:43, 25 Mar 2005 (MST)

[edit] Space Gary & Facegary (Declined)

"Space Gary" is almost certainly a reference to the popular JamesWeb series, Facegary.

  • Decline Could also just be referring to "Space" (i.e. Cartoon) Gary vs "Real" (i.e. Real) Gary. --tomstiff 14:49, 10 Mar 2005 (CST)
    • Second
    • Third - JZ
    • Second. --Shadow Hog 18:29, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
    • Second (What is it with the constant claims, based on the most tenuous of similarities, that something is "almost certainly" a reference to some obscure webtoon or other phenomenon? I think some people need to review the definition of "certainly"...) -- Alun Clewe 09:35, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
  • Delete. ISlayedTheKerrek 07:56, 11 Mar 2005 (MST)
  • STRONG DECLINE! --Aussie Evil 08:45, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
  • Decline By almost certainly, of course, you mean "no way in hell except in my twisted mind", right? Dasrik 02:12, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)
    • Second That's what I got from it. --Jay 03:21, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)
    • Second Part II Facegary is too twisted, man. Kvb 07:21, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)
    • comment I think it's a reference to the movie Kiss Meets the Phantom of the Park, where Ace is referred to as "Space Ace"
      • O_O Is it THAT far out to just add "Space" to your name? Does everything have to be a reference? If I wrote a sketch based on me and called the character "Super Rick" is it a reference to Superman? Geekdom has its limits. Dasrik 20:42, 10 Apr 2005 (MDT)

[edit] Parappa the Noodle (Declined)

Bozar turning Limozeen's instruments into noodles could be a reference to the Playstation 2 game, "Parappa the Rapper 2".

  • Decline Man, a lot of severe stretches this week. --Jay 11:36, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)
    • Second; too big a stretch to me. Then again, I've not played Parappa, but this doesn't go very far as to convincing me. --Shadow Hog 21:31, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)
    • Second! --Aussie Evil 08:46, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
  • Accept I play the game on a regular basis, and the correlation seems strong enough. Might want to change the specific PTR2 reference to a series reference, since there are three games in that series. --blackbelt 1:39, 14 Mar 2005 (EST)
  • Could be, yes. Is it? Most likely not. DECLINE. ISlayedTheKerrek 08:10, 16 Mar 2005 (MST)
  • Rewrite. Explain why it could be a reference. --Trogga 20:04, 19 Mar 2005 (MST)
    • Yeah, how is it a referance? I've only played the first game. The_Pardack
    • In Parappa the Rapper 2, a group of people are turning anything and everything into noodles.

[edit] They Might Be Giants reference? (Declined)

Larry talking about the Alternative rock band "...and the lead singer wears Glasses!" may be a reference to They Might Be Giants' John Flansborgh.

  • Decline. ISlayedTheKerrek 07:14, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)
  • Decline. It could be about TMBG, or a hundred other alt. rock bands where the lead singer wears glasses. --Zonath 07:31, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)
    • Second. And it's Flansburgh not "Flansborgh". --Trogga 08:13, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)
  • Neutral I thought the same thing for a second (it makes sense) but its too vague a joke to put a specific face on it. Donny vs Universe
  • Decline There are a lot of bands like that, such as Linkin Park.
  • Decline. The lead singer may wear glasses, but is the bassist a girl? --tomstiff 23:09, 11 Mar 2005 (CST)
  • DECLINE TO THE MAX WITH A VENGANCE TMBG is made up of The Johns, the Dans, and Marty, none of them are girls...
    • Two things: 1) SIGN YOUR VOTE. 2) The part of the line in question is posted above. The part with the girls isn't there for a reason. ISlayedTheKerrek 10:38, 21 Mar 2005 (MST)
      • Says the guy that Declined it in the first place... --Jay 03:21, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)
  • The Cline Yeah, and it "may be" a reference to Weezer's Rivers Cuomo, that Chester(?) guy from Linkin Park, or countless emo singers. Go home. Rudeboy87 08:47, 8 Apr 2005 (MDT)

[edit] Flash MX (Declined)

This flash file version of this e-mail is named sbemail126_mx.swf instead of sbemail126.swf, because the email was made in Flash MX.

  • Comment I don't see why making it in Flash MX would make it have MX at the end or why TBC would be compelled to have it say MX just for the fact that it was MADE in MX. And that's my ¢2. --User:67.177.52.133 17:16, 8 Mar 2005 (MST)
  • Comment Ummm.... I HAVE Flash MX, and it doesn't do that, nor should that be gloated upon so furthermore, Decline. -- Bonkava
  • Decline Even if it were true it doesn't matter enough to have it pointed out. Donny vs Universe
  • Revise, accept As there is no proof to the usage of Flash MX, do not include that part. However, I found it interesting that this particular flash file is named diffrently from the rest. So, try:
The flash file for this email is called sbemail126_mx.swf, instead of the normal sbemail126.swf.
Signed: flashstorm 11:57, 18 Mar 2005 (MST)
  • Decline. Much like the "newintro" item up above, this one is not that interesting and really doesn't bear noting. --TheEggman
    • Comment. While "newintro" had a good reason for the different filename, this doesn't, so, Decline(unless sbemail126.swf gives you something different, in which case, Accept). --homestar3.14 11:58, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)

[edit] A DV-what? (Rewritten)

From the style of animation portrayed, the bizarre space setting, and the availability of VHS VCRs, the Limozeen cartoon pilot likely aired some time in the early-to-mid-1980's. However, Larry's mentioning of DVDs at the end of the episode suggests that it could not have aired before 1997, when DVDs first hit the American market, and likely aired even later when old television shows started being sold on DVD.

  • Decline. This rambles and makes no sense. ISlayedTheKerrek 13:24, 8 Mar 2005 (MST)
  • Revise, Accept Rambles? Perhaps. But I understand what it's saying - the cartoon looks like it's from the 80s, but Larry's comment at the end makes it seem more modern. --Jay 14:19, 8 Mar 2005 (MST)
      • Second t3h second--67.177.52.133 17:20, 8 Mar 2005 (MST)
        • Is this in respons to my comment of ISTK's? --Jay 03:21, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)
  • Decline I thought that was the joke. Mister Mister 19:01, 8 Mar 2005 (MST)
  • Rewrite "Although elements of the Limozeen in Space cartoon such as the animation style and mention of the popularity of hair metal bands seem to suggest that it would have been aired in the '80s, Larry mentions DVDs at the end, which first hit the American market in 1997. --Zonath 19:04, 8 Mar 2005 (MST)
    • Second I like this rewrite. --TheEggman 23:31, 8 Mar 2005 (MST)
    • Second. --Trogga 08:14, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)
    • Second. --Shadow Hog 21:28, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)
    • Alternate Rewrite Just to make it a bit shorter: "Although Limozeen in Space seems like an 80's cartoon, Larry mentions DVDs at the end, which first hit the American market in 1997."
  • Decline While in many ways it seems like an early 80s cartoon, the alternative band reference also places it in the 90s, at least. Strong Bad seems to have an affinity for woefully outdated things (Rhino Feeder is his idea of a modern video game...)
    • Second Changed my vote. I keep thinking that this fact should work but I dunno. Donny vs Universe
  • Rewrite, Accept --Joshua 20:31, 20 Mar 2005 (MST)

[edit] The Claw (Accepted)

One villain has a claw that is the same as the one from the Kick the Cheat Demo.

  • Accept I didn't know that. Good fact, I think.--67.177.52.133 17:21, 8 Mar 2005 (MST)
  • Severe Decline. What? Do you mean that the claw is SIMILAR? Because the Kick the Cheat Demo isn't in an "animation" style, it's in the regular style. The claw is definitely not the same one. (And even if it were, TBC reuse flash items all the time) →evin290 19:10, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)
    • Second. They're similar, but definitely not the same. --rsl12 22:13, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)
  • "STRONG ACCEPT!" Good eye, good eye! --Aussie Evil 13:15, 15 Mar 2005 (MST)
  • Decline It does look the same but I don't think its worth noting. Like Evin said, TBC re-use stuff all the time. Donny vs Universe
  • Accept Even if it does look the same, it is worth noting that the claw is reappearing. AtionSong

[edit] Guy With a Metal Jaw (Declined)

With his mechanical jaw and arm, Mitch Overlord seems designed to resemble Trap-Jaw; one of Skeletor's henchman in the He-Man tv show, another popular 80s saturday morning cartoon series.

Or, Dr. Claw from the Inspector Gadget cartoon.
Or, Baron Underbite from The Venture Brothers.
Or, Malak from SW:KOTOR (At least with the head and voice)
Which, in turn, could have been designed to resemble another character from an 80's saturday morning cartoon show
Or, Hacker from Centurions (a cartoon created in 1986)
  • Revise Condense this somehow. Like 'With his mechanical jaw and arm, Mitch Overlord seems designed to resemble any number of cliche cartoon villains like Trap Jaw (from He-Man), Dr. Claw (from Inspector Gadget)' etc.. etc. --Zonath 18:32, 8 Mar 2005 (MST)
    • Second. Get rid of the word "designed" in the rewrite, and it's good to go. --TheEggman 23:12, 14 Mar 2005 (MST)
    • Second. Also remove "etc.. etc." --Trogga 16:59, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)
  • Decline This seems really vauge. A lot of villains could look like that. The "Or's" say enough.
  • Decline Everyone should be able to recognise instantly that the villian is your generic 80s cartoon villian before being told in a 'fun' fact. Those that can't probably don't care. It's as useful as saying that limozeen's long hair is a reference to Poison and other bands where guys had long hair. --rsl12 22:12, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)
  • Decline This. That. Other thing. No good. --Jay
    • Second. Changing my vote - as I mentioned in an item towards the top of the page, if you have to rattle off a list of three or more (or in some cases two or more) references, then it's not any specific reference, and therefore, obvious enough not to need its own fact entry. --TheEggman 23:38, 11 Apr 2005 (MDT)

[edit] See you in syndication (Declined)

Larry's comment joining them next time 'In syndication! Or maybe on DVD!' could be a referance to short-lived shows like Clerks or Family Guy which after they were canceled begain airing in syndicates on other networks or on collectors DVDs.

  • Decline It's pretty standard industry practice to show a cancelled show in syndication, even the wildly unsuccessful ones, since it makes the studio money. The recent phenomena of releasing everything in DVD format is just an extension of this. At any rate, this is way too obvious for a 'fun' fact, and we don't really need a thousand edits of this once everyone has added their own favorite, unjustly canceled show. --Zonath 18:44, 8 Mar 2005 (MST)
    • Second --tomstiff 15:05, 10 Mar 2005 (CST)
    • Second
    • Second -- Alun Clewe 09:39, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
    • Second --Jay 03:21, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)
  • Decline It actually happened the opposite way with Clerks: It was realeased on DVD then syndication. The joke is fairly obvious anyway and doesn't need a fun fact to explain it.Donny vs Universe

[edit] The Beatles (Declined)

The alternative rock band that knocked Limozeen off the charts may be a reference to The Beatles - The "girl" bassist (Paul McCartney, who was known as the "cute one"), the short-haired drummer (Ringo Starr), and the bespectacled lead singer (John Lennon).

  • Decline The Beatles are not an alternative band, they were not responsible for destroying metal, and the bassist is not actually a girl, so I don't see why this would be a reference to the Beatles rather than a stereotypical alternative band. Aurora Szalinski 15:56, 10 Mar 2005 (MST)
    • Second This one should have simply been deleted, for the reasons stated above. --TheEggman 09:19, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
  • Decline Hmmm... I can't figure out if this is a serious comment, or just a joke about how many other Beatles references are on the page for this one. At any rate, definitely not relevant. --Zonath 08:50, 11 Mar 2005 (MST)
  • Decline Need I really say why? --Jay 03:21, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)

[edit] Strong Bad's cancelled Animal Planet show (Declined)

Strong Bad's show that was cancelled may also be a refrence to Limozeen in Space being cancelled during it's pilot episode in best thing. (Originally posted in montage, but would make more sense the other way around and posted in best thing, IMO).

  • Decline I really don't see why. Aurora Szalinski 16:59, 10 Mar 2005 (MST)
  • Decline They are similar events, but there's no connection between them. --Jay 17:05, 10 Mar 2005 (MST)
  • Revise/Move It's a re-used joke, sure... but a clear reference? Seems a bit of a stretch. Maybe it would be better to toss up a new page about the instances of this and linking to it on the Inside Jokes page (where it seems like it would most belong). --Zonath 09:02, 11 Mar 2005 (MST)
    • Decline It's simply a re-used joke or a running gag, not a clear reference. --TheEggman 09:21, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)

[edit] Babylon 5 (Declined)

"Encounter at Groupulon 5" is most likely a combined reference to Encounter at Farpoint (the first episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation) and the popular science-fiction show Babylon 5. (only the part in bold was in question)

  • Accept: Babylon 5 is similar enough to Groupulon 5, and it's the same genre as both Star Trek and the email itself. — It's dot com 19:56, 18 Mar 2005 (MST)
    • Second tomstiff 20:51, 20 Mar 2005 (CST)
    • Comment It's my opinion that for the reason above the Babylon reference is much stronger than the Star Trek reference. If the B5 ref is a stretch it seems to me that the ST ref is equally stretchy. tomstiff 20:51, 20 Mar 2005 (CST)
    • Comment Any name ending in "lon 5" makes me immedaitely think of 'Babylon 5'. And I've never seen 'Babylon 5'.
  • Decline: it seems too much of a stretch to me. personally i think it's just a generic sci-fi sounding name that they came up with.Keab42
    • Second Aurora Szalinski 18:25, 20 Mar 2005 (MST)
    • Weak Third Changing my vote from straight Accept, only because I noticed that it was the B5 reference that was in question. The ST:TNG reference is still solid, being that they're both the pilot/first episodes of T.V. shows that take place in outer space. --TheEggman 07:14, 13 Apr 2005 (MDT)

[edit] Background Goof (accepted but Rewritten)

When the Limozeen spaceship is flying throughout space, the background obviously loops; however, it does not tile well at all, with noticeable seams flying by every second.

  • Comment: I was going to put it in there, but I wasn't really sure how well it'd go over; chances are this is some minor joke or something that I'm not getting. Soo... is it a Goof or not? --Shadow Hog 18:29, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
  • Rewrite and Move, then Accept Maybe you could move it to real-world references, because old Hanna-Barberra (or whatever) cartoons obviously looped too. Though the noticible seam thing is worth thinking about. Hmmm... I think it should be used as a reference to cartoons like The Flinstones. But I'm rambling. --acekirby13 19:07, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
    • Absolutely not! References to "This that and the other thing" are totally useless and encourage people to add to it, making it MORE useless. Maybe an Explanation or Remark, but not a Reference. --Jay 03:21, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)
  • Rewrite. This is a decent reference to the common practice of looping backgrounds in cartoons, and the Fun Fact should reflect that. This item should be split into two parts - one regarding the looping and the other regarding the noticeable seams. --TheEggman 23:14, 14 Mar 2005 (MST)
    • Second. You have the clear backbone for a Fun Fact, but it needs severe rewording and needs to be a little less derogatory. (sp?)TakuaKaita600 20:31, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
    • Second. It's not a Goof, because it was on purpose. I'd call it an Explanation. Don't mention a specific cartoon, as it fits the whole genre. — It's dot com 22:32, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Closed Fun Facts 2

The page's kilobites were getting too big. Broken down into a smaller section. --acekirby13 19:36, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Albi refs Abdi?? (Declined)

Strong calls the author of the email Albi, which is a reference to the author of the first email, some kinda robot, who was named Abdi.

  • Decline. Albi is short for Albin, not a reference to Abdi. --TheEggman 01:13, 12 Apr 2005 (MDT)
    • Second. -- tomstiff 08:55, 12 Apr 2005 (MDT)
      • Yep. Yep. Yeap. Second. -Walking Armless
    • Threecond. Beatfox 03:31, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
    • Second. --Trogga 19:18, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • ...urge to kill...rising... Decline Dasrik 06:11, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Guitar throw refs invisibility?? (Declined)

When Space Gary throws his guitar and says "I guess I won't be needing THIS anymore," it is a reference to invisibility. Strong Bad says the same thing when he gets rid of the broken Tandy 400 and replaces it with the Compy 386.

  • Decline. Inflection is different, throwing is different than knocking off the desk, and the line isn't even the same ("And don't need THIS anymore"). --TheEggman 01:13, 12 Apr 2005 (MDT)
    • Go TheEggman!! Uh... I mean Second! Kvb 05:50, 12 Apr 2005 (MDT)
    • Second. -- tomstiff 08:56, 12 Apr 2005 (MDT)
    • Second. --Trogga 19:18, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
    • Second. It's a common phrase. --Beatfox 19:14, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Oh please... are you surfing HR.com randomly looking for things to correlate? Decline! Dasrik 06:12, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Accept I know this fact has already gotten the "Decline" verdict, but when I first saw "Best Thing", I thought this was an obvious reference. - Dingell

[edit] rrll == grrl ?? (Declined)

The use of "rrll rrll" is probably the latest version of "grrl."

  • Decline. The latest version, what? "rrll" is for "real", "grrl" is for "girl" - what's the relation, besides not using any vowels? --TheEggman 01:13, 12 Apr 2005 (MDT)
    • ¡Second! Kvb 05:50, 12 Apr 2005 (MDT)
    • Second. - tomstiff 08:53, 12 Apr 2005 (MDT)
    • Segundo. Beatfox 03:34, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
    • Second. --Trogga 19:18, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • It's not even worth it to be sarcastic. Decline Dasrik 06:13, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)
    • One less than Third

[edit] limozeen (Declined)

Limozeen: But they're in space is almost a direct reference to the flopped saturday morning show Josie and the Pussy Cats in space.

  • Definite Rewrite. Try again. It IS a direct reference. --ISlayedTheKerrek 01:52, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Should not be on the STUFF page. Another version of this fact already went through the STUFF process and can be seen under the "Explanations" heading in best thing. Aurora the Homestar Coder 02:02, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
    • CONCUR'D Once and only once applies to STUFF as well. Sorry. --Jay 02:54, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
    • Second and moved. If you're gonna STUFF it, for crying out loud, check and make sure there's not a subsection for it on the page already before you put it at the top of the page. --TheEggman 03:57, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Alternative vs. Hair Metal (Accepted after rewrite)

The dialog at the end of the cartoon about Limozeen (who are parody of 80's Hair Metal Bands) being kicked off the charts by an Alternative band that has a girl as a bassist, etc. is most likely a reference to the fact that by the early 1990's people were tired of the excesses of Hair Metal bands and the popularity of that genre was already on the wane. Alternative Rock bands like Nirvana, Smashing Pumpkins and Weezer (SP had 2 female bassists, Weezer's lead singer wears glasses) which were generally considered by many music critics to be smarter, hipper and closer to the roots of what rock is all about, put the nail in the coffin of the L.A. Glam Metal scene.

  • Revise. A little too much info, like previously STUFF'd fact. ISlayedTheKerrek 16:02, 8 Mar 2005 (MST)
  • Revise a bit too wordy... perhaps condense this info by taking out the social commentary (basically everything after 'by the early 1990's) and just stick to facts like 'Smashing Pumpkins had 2 female bassists' --211.252.38.203 18:30, 8 Mar 2005 (MST)
  • Revise! English, please? --Aussie Evil 08:24, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)
  • Decline Anyone who understands the joke about Limozeen being a hair metal band probably is already aware of the Alternative takeover of the early 90s. This item is simply explaining the joke - which, IMO, was a weak one to begin with. Any of the above revisions make this item even more obvious. --TheEggman 09:16, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
    • Second. --Trogga 01:59, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Since no one can apparently agree to a consensus on this one, I'll try a revised version.

The mentioning of Limozeen being kicked off the charts by an alternative band with a girl bassist references the death of hair metal in the early '90s, when bands like Nirvana and Smashing Pumpkins (who actually had a girl bassist) were able to have success.

With that, I say this needs to be mentioned, because not everyone knows about exactly what happened. ISlayedTheKerrek 15:52, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

  • Accept New Vresion I gotta say that I'm liking this newer version by ISTK a lot more than the original one. --acekirby13 16:03, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Slightly Revise... "...bands like Nirvana and Smashing Pumpkins..." - if the "girl bassist" part is the basis for the reference, then one of the bands mentioned should fit this example. --TheEggman 02:07, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)
    • Second Oh yeah, forgot about that. --acekirby13 19:48, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Decline I just don't like this one. --user: lappy 486 25 Apr
  • Sentence revised further. I added the Smashing Pumpkins as a reference. --ISlayedTheKerrek 16:56, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Magically changing guitar

When Gary in the cartoon has the guitar, it is an odd shape which I haven't seen before. However, when he passes it to Real Life Larry, it appears more like a Gibson Explorer. Also, it's interesting to note that a lead singer knows how to play guitar. 72.137.163.70 19:59, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Forgot to sign in. The above was me. Swimma Dan 20:01, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
I haven't noticed a significant difference - aside from the former being a cartoon version of the guitar - but I don't think it's unusual for a singer to also know how to play an instrument. Qermaq - (T/C) Image:Qermaqsigpic.png 21:09, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Band

I was about the "alternative rock" band, and it made me think of the Talking Heads. The bassist is a girl, David Byrne wears glasses, and chris Frantz's hair isn't long. Sorry that I couldn't just vote on this in the above section, but I can't get a User Account, though I wish I could. 199.224.118.156 18:56, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hair color goof

In the original shot of the band, all of the members have blond hair, yet for the rest of the cartoon the drummer is a redhead.

Off the top of my head, I think there's another fact which brings up that one character looks totally different as a ref to Ghostbusters or something. Qermaq - (T/C) Image:Qermaqsigpic.png 23:30, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
From the Transcript of one Easter egg:
MARY: How come they made me fat and have red hair?
LARRY: Because you're the comic relief-uh!
Conclusion: Not a Goof. --Jay o'Lantern (Haunt) 00:10, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] A Girl; Short Hair; Glasses

That could be anyone. I can tell you, most (but not all) alt rock bands will fit at least one of those criteria. See my chart:

Band Bass Player
Girl
Drummer
Short Hair
Lead Singer
Glasses
TMBG No Yes (both) Sometimes
Weezer No Yes Yes
Nirvana No No No
Sum 41 No Yes No
Smashing Pumpkins Yes Yes No
Green Day No Yes No
Nine Inch Nails No Yes No
Pixies Yes Yes No
R.E.M. No No No
U2 No Yes Yes
The White Stripes Maybe
(Bass Drum?)
No No
Barenaked Ladies No Yes Sometimes
Flaming Lips No Yes No

As for Talking Heads, they aren't listed here

--Jnelson09 02:28, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I always though it was a joke about alternative bands in general... Bluebry 18:37, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
This is TTATOT. There are loads of other alternate rock bands with girl bassists, short haired drummers and/or lead singers wearing glasses. Is Talking Heads the only band remembered for these qualities? Are they the only band that fits the description precisely or the only band that was thought up? Isn't the description generic anyway, that it's just describing a typical alternate rock band, and that TBC aren't refering to a single certain band, just the cliche? – The Chort 18:39, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Well, yeah. What I meant was, that could be anyone. Talking Heads fits all three, but according to 'Kipedia, they aren't "Alternative." --Jnelson09 20:10, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Gilligan's Planet

I'm not going to add a reference to the wiki, since there's no hard evidence that this is true, but here's what I thought of when I first saw "best thing":

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilligan%27s_Planet

It's like "Gilligan's Island" ... only in SPACE! It aired in 1982-83, which coincides with the Chaps' childhood. --El Santo, 29 June 2007

[edit] Another possible Fast Forward?

Could the complaints made by Limozeen members (MARY: And the drummer's got short hair! LARRY: And the lead singer wears glasses!) be considered a Fast Forward to sloshy? After the Limozeen members make the complaints on the show, Strong Bad throws the remote at Strong Sad, complaining that it was "STRONG BAD: For you and your kind destroying metal!" In concert, Strong Bad complains that sloshy hadn't grown their hair out despite having been around for a number of years (fits Mary's comment) and wonders if the lenses fell out of one of sloshy's members, only to find out that "those are just his glasses." That fits Larry's comment. Finally, Strong Bad's remark "For you and your kind destroying metal!" could be a Fast Forward to how sloshy replaced Limozeen at the concert Strong Bad and Strong Sad went to.

Hello? Someone give some feedback...
WHAT THE CRAP?! SOMEONE SAY SOMETHING ABOUT IT!
Hello there. Thanks for contributing to our wiki. Let me request that you always sign your comments (so we know who's saying what) and that you not shout (this page isn't exactly the most traveled on the site, so it takes a little longer to get a reply). Regarding your point, it seems very reasonable to me. In fact, I had similar thoughts as I watched the email. I hope you enjoy your time here. Cheers! — It's dot com 21:23, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
Except that sloshy's bassist is male and wore glasses, not the lead singer. Danny Lilithborne 11:38, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Quest for Reference

In the South Park episode "Quest for Ratings" (original airdate November 17, 2004), about two and a half minutes in, the A/V teacher enters and says, "Boys, I'm afraid I have some bad news. The school has to cancel your show" (viewable here). This is strikingly similar to Teeg Dougland's "I'm afraid I've got some bad news, boys. Our pilot episode has been canceled." (Later, the A/V teacher says, "I'm afraid it's worse than that, boys. I'm going to have to give you all F's in extracurricular A/V class.") — It's dot com 19:32, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Bozar's horns look very much like Strong Bad's horns from 3 Wishes.

I don't think they do. Their shape is completely different. I propose we remove this from the Inside Refs.

[edit] .swf is down.

The .swf file for this e-mail is down. --SamuelGuy10 04:27, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Nice find! It's not down, but is using a non-regular URL. sbemail126_mx.swf. I'm going to note this in the article. Elcool (talk)(contribs) 06:53, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
(as noted in some previous discussion circa 2007 right here on this very talk page.) LobStoR 13:56, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
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