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+ | === This isn't dirt! It's STUFF! === | ||
+ | {{stufffact|Marzipan's statement that she's eating dirt is likely a reference to [[Stinkoman]], who eats dirt in the email [[time capsule]], and also in [[Under Construction]] (where he finds the dirt is actually pudding).}} | ||
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+ | *Stinkoman is the only character up 'til now known to eat dirt. The fact that Marzipan is "probably" eating dirt makes this a valid reference. (This is separate from a RL reference to Missy C. being pregnant, or to the Inside ref to the "dirty hippie without the dirt" comment in Marzipan's [[Yearbook Character Page]].) | ||
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+ | *Mentions of dirt are not necessarily related to each other. | ||
+ | *See below for arguments for the pregnancy. | ||
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+ | *This fact is now part of the revision for the 'hippie' fact. | ||
+ | *Pregnant women craving dirt (called pica) is not really intuitive enough of a reference to include on an Answering Machine. It sounds like Strong Bad was making fun of Marzipan's penchant for organic food, and she was offended. | ||
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+ | *What makes this TTATOT? It's not in the realm of "It could be this, or something else, or even something other than that" - it's a reference to a single character who eats dirt. | ||
+ | *This is probably based on a real life event (the pregnancy). This makes it unrelated to the other dirt mentions, and the only resemblance is coincidental. | ||
+ | **Is it worth mentioning ''at all'' that Stinkoman also eats dirt? | ||
+ | **Keep in mind that Missy's pregnancy is NOT (currently) mentioned anywhere on H*R.com - it's only known to the people who were following the Flashforward event. (For instance, *I* didn't know about that until people started talking about it here on the wiki.) | ||
+ | ***Why would it be mentioned on H*R.com in the first place? If we have evidence that she's pregnant, no matter how obscure it is, we can assume that Missy's pregnancy was in their minds when they made this. | ||
+ | ****But how would ANYONE know that? TBC do not have a habit of referencing events in their own lives in their cartoons. Real-life events, yes, but generally ones that are easily verifiable. Aside from the announcement at Flashforward (which apparently we don't have directly referenced yet), there's no reason to believe this was a reference to a personal TBC event. | ||
+ | *****Not every reference has to be understood by all the viewers. For example, do any of us here at the wiki know about the importance of [[1987]], or what the crap "[[Kewpie Dan|Get Fushing!]]" is supposed to mean? | ||
+ | ******We also don't try to guess. | ||
+ | *******Are we absolutely SURE Marzipan's "eating dirt" is a reference to Missy's pregnancy, and not a coincidence? I admit the evidence is strong, but to me, it's not a sure thing. | ||
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+ | === A Dirty Hippie Without the STUFF === | ||
+ | {{stufffact|Marzipan's statement that she's eating dirt is interesting because, as seen on the [[Yearbook Character Page]], Strong Bad once described her as a "dirty hippie...without the dirt."}} | ||
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+ | {{stuffdata|[[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 13.2]]|22:46, 3 March 2006 (UTC)}} | ||
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+ | * This is an interesting reference - while the meaning of "Dirty Hippie" doesn't literally mean "hippie covered in dirt", the phrasing is similar enough that it warrants a mention. | ||
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+ | * She's probably eating dirt because [[Missy Palmer|Missy]] is [http://www.google.com/search?q=pregnant+%22eat+dirt%22 pregnant] (which was announced at the [[Flashforward 2006 Seattle - 28 Feb 2006|Flashforward]] convention). | ||
+ | *It seems odd to me that the Brothers would reference something that is not linked to anywhere on the site. | ||
+ | **Such as Missy being pregnant? | ||
+ | ***I don't understand what that reply is supposed to mean. Are you saying they don't reference Missy's being pregnant on the site? Because of course they don't. They only publicly announced it a couple of days ago. | ||
+ | ****Simply that fans would not be likely to know about her being pregnant, less so even than be aware of the old yearbook. If the obscurity of the topic is a factor, Missy's unannounced pregnancy is a whole lot more obascure. | ||
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+ | *A reference to Missy being pregnant makes a lot more sense as a reference than this. | ||
+ | * WHOA, wait a minute... the Stinkoman reference and the Hippie (and/or Missy C) reference are two separate references and should not be combined wholesale into the same STUFF. | ||
+ | **Originally, this was STUFFED on just the "dirty hippie" part, NOT the Stinkoman part. If people think Missy being pregnant is more reasonable, then propose a rev. | ||
+ | *** The Stinkoman bit is just as unlikely as the dirty hippie part. They should both be considered STUFF'd. | ||
+ | ****<s>STUFF'd as a separate fact, then. See above.</s> | ||
+ | *****Now incorporated into the revision below. | ||
+ | *See [[Wikipedia:Geophagy|Geophagy]], the actual practice of eating dirt. | ||
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+ | {{stuffrevise|Eating dirt, or [[Wikipedia:Geophagy|geophagy]], is a practice common among pregnant women, especially in rural societies. The day after this toon was released, [[The Brothers Chaps]] announced [[Missy Palmer]]'s pregnancy at the [[Flashforward 2006 Seattle - 28 Feb 2006|Flashforward 2006]] conference. | ||
+ | *[[Stinkoman]] is also known to eat dirt, as seen in [[time capsule]] and [[Under Construction]] (where he finds that the dirt is actually pudding). | ||
+ | *Coincidentally, in the [[Yearbook Character Page]], Strong Bad once called Marzipan "a dirty hippie...without the dirt."}} | ||
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+ | *This fact incorporates both Missy's pregnancy and the fact that Stinkoman is also known to eat dirt. | ||
+ | *This version does not necessarily make Stinkoman a reference, just a mention. | ||
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+ | *There still isn't a real link to those other instances of dirt. The reason Stinkoman and Marzipan each eat the dirt are completely unrelated, and the dirty hippie bit refers to dirt on the ''outside'' of her body. | ||
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+ | *Adding "Coincidentally, Marzipan was referred to in the yearbook..." would flesh this out nicely, but it's fine as is too. | ||
+ | **Done. | ||
+ | ***I have to say, the very first thing I thought of when hearing the line was that Yearbook Page and how now she's no longer "without the dirt." | ||
+ | *I'll accept that as a valid reference even though it's not publicly mentioned on H*R.com. | ||
+ | *I don't think we should mention the pregnancy connection as fact, but it seems much more likely than trying to stretch it into an inside reference. | ||
+ | **It's also interesting that some anonny [[Talk:Marzipan%27s_Answering_Machine_Version_13.2#Mrs._Pan|correctly guessed]] that Missy was pregnant... ''before'' the Flashforward event even occurred. | ||
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+ | {{stuffrevise|[[Wikipedia:Geophagy|Eating dirt]] is a practice common among pregnant women, especially in rural societies. The day after this toon was released, [[The Brothers Chaps]] announced at [[Flashforward 2006 Seattle - 28 Feb 2006|Flashforward 2006]] that [[Missy Palmer]] (the voice of Marzipan) was pregnant.}} | ||
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+ | *This version captures the pregnancy information while excluding the (specious) inside references. | ||
+ | *There isn't a real link to those other instances of dirt. The reason Stinkoman and Marzipan each eat the dirt are completely unrelated, and the dirty hippie bit refers to dirt on the ''outside'' of her body. | ||
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+ | *Reworded this a bit. | ||
+ | *Personally, I think that even if the reasons for it aren't the same, the link between this toon and Stinkoman's dirt-eating should be mentioned - we mention other supposedly unrelated links all over the wiki, why not this one? | ||
+ | *May I ask why this was revisioned twice? Just seems weird. | ||
+ | **The first revision includes the information about Stinkoman and the "dirty hippie" thing; this revision contains just the pregnancy garble. | ||
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This isn't dirt! It's STUFF!Marzipan's statement that she's eating dirt is likely a reference to Stinkoman, who eats dirt in the email time capsule, and also in Under Construction (where he finds the dirt is actually pudding). From: Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 13.2 Arguments for:
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A Dirty Hippie Without the STUFFMarzipan's statement that she's eating dirt is interesting because, as seen on the Yearbook Character Page, Strong Bad once described her as a "dirty hippie...without the dirt." From: Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 13.2 Arguments for:
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Proposed revision: Eating dirt, or geophagy, is a practice common among pregnant women, especially in rural societies. The day after this toon was released, The Brothers Chaps announced Missy Palmer's pregnancy at the Flashforward 2006 conference.
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Proposed revision: Eating dirt is a practice common among pregnant women, especially in rural societies. The day after this toon was released, The Brothers Chaps announced at Flashforward 2006 that Missy Palmer (the voice of Marzipan) was pregnant.
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Banana Manana?Homestar is walking around talking into the banana as we are hearing the message for message 6. There are three equally implausible explanations for this:
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Bana...Banamana...Banamanamana tonight!Homestar using a banana as a telephone may be a reference to the Raffi CD and subsequent Internet phenomenon Bananaphone. From: Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 13.2 Arguments for:
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Speculation into the StratosphereThe fact that The Strong Bad supposedly "launched the recording into the stratosphere" could be another reference to time capsule. From: Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 13.2 Arguments for: Arguments against:
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A hankering for some prankeringOld-Timey Strong Bad's line "I've got a hankering for a prankering" might be a reference to a Homer Simpson line in "Two Dozen & One Greyhounds (2F18)": "Which is lucky, too, because it's spanking season, and I got a hankering for some spankering!" From: Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 13.2 Arguments for:
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